“We are disturbed by them,” West Hollywood Mayor Lauren Meister said of the posters. “We don’t believe in an eye for an eye, and we advocate against gun violence.”
In addition to the mayor, Police Capt. Holly Perez of the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department West Hollywood Station, who noticed the signs while going on a run, believes the signs send a bad message:
Yeah, the message that left-wing Democrat Governments cannot be relied upon to protect gay people from violence.
“I understand the sentiment behind them and 1st Amendment rights, but it’s a bad message,” Perez said. “I hope it’s just people venting that they could do this, and I’m hoping their calmness will take over. It’s our job to keep you safe.”
No, it isn’t. The police cannot “Keep you safe,” they can only mop up the blood and maybe shoot or catch the perpetrator after your dead. The police in Orlando did not keep the patrons at Orlando Pulse safe. Neither did the FBI. Neither did Homeland Security.
West Hollywood Councilman John Duran, who is gay, said the signs were upsetting and not the right message for the gay community. “Even during our heightened days of civil disobedience and protest, we have only advocated peaceful means, never arming ourselves and retaliating with violence.”
This is not about retaliation you gay leftist lickspittle, it’s about deterrence, self-defense, and not being dependent on a Government that has proven incompetent at the basic task of protecting its citizens.
Some of the comments in the LA Times article Patterico links are epic in their stupidity, with commenters literally taking the position “We refuse to support gun rights for gay people because Reagan let people die of AIDS.”
“This is not about retaliation you gay leftist lickspittle,”
What are you doing here? Are you trying to insult people or change minds? If you are just here to an insulting bore then…mission accomplished. But if you are actually trying to engage folks you should try a tone that is a bit more accommodating.
The thing about non-violence is that it only works against people who some compunction against excessive force. Gandhi only prevailed because the British finally got sick of the violence needed to keep the Indians in line. If Gandhi had tried to use non-violence against the Nazis, Hitler would have labelled the whole of India to be untermenschen and cleansed the sub-continent. Mao probably would’ve done the same thing.
The Muslims have already made up their mind about us: we are slated for execution. I refuse to die like some cattle in a slaughterhouse. If they come for me, I will be taking at least one of them with me.
Unfortuntely, the safety of the Gayle community will take a back seat to offending Muslims hell bent on the right to kill
Little letter mike:
When a Mohammedan is pointing a gun at a crowd, and you have no way to defend yourself, you might, just might, change your mind. However, since you a lockstep socialist/commie, I doubt it would get into your superior brain.
mike @1: with all due respect, SHOVE IT UP YOUR ASS. You and your fellow so-called “progressives” have NEVER taken an accommodating tone in your non-stop efforts to impose your fascist ideology on us normal Americans, and it’s the HEIGHT of arrogance and hypocrisy to suggest that those of us who actually BELIEVE in the founding principles of America should be good little sheep and watch our tone while you lecture us on how lucky we are to have you “enlightened” betters here to dictate to us what we should think and how we should live. FUCK YOU.
Sadly, in America the Police demonstrably are hard-pressed to “…defend us” in extremis.
At best we can hope they will avenge us…
Oh, okay…how about “sycophantic Democrat douchebag”?
California BLTGXYZ folks—if you haven’t figured it out after all these years, Equality California doesn’t care about you, just toeing the Dem party line:
Lawmakers, LGBT leaders demand gun safety reforms
http://abc7.com/news/lawmakers-lgbt-leaders-demand-gun-safety-reforms/1390536/
littlelettermikey,the fascist:
In the Pulse gay nightclub, the targeted crowd had three choices:
1.) Drop and play dead.
2.) Run for the exit
3.) Rush and overwhelm the shooter.
They acted “normally” in the world of littlelettermikey, the fascist and mass carnage ensued.
In the “hope and change” gay nightclub world a targeted crowd would have three defenses:
1.) The FBI would be relieved of the CVE (Counter Violent Extremism) Obama laws that shackle the FBI and prevent them from sniffing out murderers like Omar Mateen in time to avert tragedy.
2.) The gay nightclub would piss on its liberal culture and hire adequate defense to outgun Omar Mateen types and yank down the idiotic “Gun-free zone” signs. (Cowards like Omar Mateen love gun-free zones.)
3.) Gays would grow a set and rush toward the shooter and some of them would be legally carrying guns and trained to use them.
Not being gay, I do not feel the danger and oppression which many liberal gays babble on about, saying how they feel that they live a life on the edge of homophobic directed violence against their delicate selves.
My “rage” is directed at the psychotic mind bending due to liberalism in general which has coupled with the psychotic mind bending which being gay does to some gays. It is a double-whammy. And friggin’ littlelettermikey, the fascist is one of real jerks among that set.
There is no way that 800,000 cops can protect 300 million civilians from 10 million criminals. Or from the thousands of ISIS Trojan Horses that Obama and Clinton want to import.
The police cannot “keep you safe.” And the courts have repeatedly ruled (Riss vs. New York, Warren vs. District of Columbia, Castle Rock vs. Gonzalez) that they have no legal duty to protect you.
Note the implication that Americans have a right to speak or write the word “gun,” and to believe that the Flying Spaghetti Monster (PBUH) approves of guns, and to assemble peaceably for the purpose of discussing guns in the abstract — but that’s as far as our rights go.
mike,
On a calmer note, the reason why VtK reacted the way he did is quite simple:
John Duran simply cannot conceive of the idea of a gun being used in defense. To him, defense means thwarting an attack, rather than meeting for with force.
My guess is he also thinks that it takes two to make a war, which is ridiculous. It’s like blaming Poland for resisting the Nazi army.
The mindset is so ridiculous coming from someone who is gay, who ought to understand how it feels to face such a situation as those in Pulse did. All you can assume is the he cares far more about liberalism and Democrats than he does about his own community.
That’s why he reacted the way he did.
Of course, the first reaction was always going to be that Democrat Plantation slave supervisors would be the first to complain at the normal reaction of waking up to self reliance & the reality that the police are law enforcers, not body guards.
We all know, or should, from observation how gays love their memorable events. The Orlando attack isn’t going away anytime soon. Gay bars are sacred, aren’t they (Stonewall Inn). So, the little gay leaders & spokesheads in West Hollywood are screaming against the wind.
We’ll see how this shakes up, to begin with. I predict that most gays, being mindless Democrat single issue voters, will believe their masters in their local activist Dem nests & ignore the commonsense reality of self defense, continuing to parrot the Democrat nonsense of gun control. Then will be the type A-personalities who will understand, while parroting everything else Democrat, except gun control.
They’ll all still unthinkingly support a party that thinks they “own the gay vote”. While conservative, GOP & Right Wing gays will continue to not identify firstly as their sexual orientation, fooling one & all that there are no gay Right Wingers.
My continued response will remain, that I’m not necessarily harmless. A state of being that I suggest for everyone on the Right.
In 2013 the Supreme Court re-ruled that Police Have NO Duty to Protect Us.
None!
If police response time is only one minute and you need them Now, they are going to be too late.
And, “that’s OK,” to quote Al Franken.
The court admitted most calls for help need help within SECONDS, not MINUTES.
BTW, the court was merely upholding an old ruling that was almost 30 years old!
The definition of the JOB of police is to Investigate Crime and Arrest Criminals.
Not Protect People.
When seconds count the cops will be eating at the dunken donuts next door for 3 hours. You would think a donut place right next to the shooting location would have made it safer.
Mikey will bring a candlelight vigil to a gunfight, jihad, & race war. Since the Orlando shooter let blacks go free, it was all 3. The boston Marathon moslem carjacked a guy with a coexist bumper sticker, he wouldn’t try it with an NRA guy. If there was a moslem looking to attack Mikey’s “i would rather die than admit moslems are bad” shirt wouldn’t save him but if I wore “bacon grease on bullets sends moslems to hell” rainbow shirt they would go elsewhere.
Non violence only works against those from behind the hajnal line. Chinese are willing to shoot Africans when they go on strike knowing they will get other Africans to replace them.
Remember islam teaches that jihad will guarantee you a place in paradise no matter what your sins and that Infidels you kill will be your slaves in the afterlife. So the afghani moslem anchor baby thought he could get him 50+ eternal slave boyfriends.
Even with over doubling its membership in the past week Pink Pistols still only has 3500 members nationwide. That’s a pretty small pool of like minded people.
Oh no.
Look what you have done by reporting on these suicidal nutjobs’ rhetoric.
I just threw up a little again! :/
Steve: Good point!
The “T” founder of the newly-formed “Operation Blazing Sword” has gotten an enormously supportive response from gun experts (including straight religious conservatives) willing to waive lesson fees for LGBT folks who want basic firearms training — but whether the number of students will match the number of volunteer teachers remains to be seen!
You can offer a horse free water — and even get your “free water for horses” mentioned on Instapundit — but you cannot make him drink.
Liberals don’t want a perfectly good victim class to go away. They would much rather take checks from gay people and make empty promises.
Little letter mike would rather be on hands and knees waiting for a hot cop to rescue him than stand proudly and defend himself. It takes courage and a backbone to refuse to be a victim anymore.
Lil letter mike has neither.
Part of their problem is that they are very loosely organized. That’s probably been fine up until now, but I think there’s a now a turning point in the entire debate. I can understand that the current coordinator is a little tired and has no desire to do those things that would help make it an NRA-style organization, but this is a golden opportunity to capitalize (in a good way; not like the Grave Dancer In Chief) on a tragedy and help rout the cobwebs of thinking that keep same-gender-oriented folks from not believing that they not only have a right but a duty to protect themselves—and not only with firearms but with other means as well.
If I had Peter Thiel money (or just PT ex-spouse-in-a-community-property-state money), I would make a proposal to fully fund the PP and get a true development plan going that would start to take advantage of the momentum already in progress. It is shamefully disgusting that dopes like John Duran and the Equality California tools have an exclusive franchise as the voice of the TBGLXYZ communities. (And I say that living nowhere near the Land Of Fruits & Nuts.)
Any reports yet on whether the posters have been defaced or removed?
After watching videos of the NPR’s documentaries Before Stonewall and After Stonewall, there was a sense of ignorance, prejudice, and overt hate directed at gays and lesbians, although not to the level of sharia law. The Stonewall riots is historical in that it united the gays and lesbians into a community. It is a shame that in so doing they immediately turned left, believing that struggle for civil rights was akin to the struggle by the communist by Viet Nam’s Liberation Front. I have come to believe that the militancy exhibited by the LGBT community is vengence for the pre-riots prejudice.
There is one voice that seems to be quiet. The documentaries shoe that gays and lesbians are just as spiritual as heterosexuals, in chronicalling, Rev. Troy Perry and the Metropolitan Community Church. I wonder what is the teaching of the MCC on the Bible and who is Jesús?. Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount, (Matt. 5:44, Luke 6:27) “Love your enemies [bless them that curse you, Matt] do good to them which hate you. bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despítefully use you.” Paul in Romans 12: 19 & 21 is very clear, “Vengence is mine; I will repay saith the Lord, Be not overcome with evil but overcome evil with good.”
These people are insane. Left wing gays creep me out and as a bisexual, I don’t even know if I am the terrorist himself, should I feel guilty or scared about Orlando?? Am I damned if I do?? I mean I live in Vermont so the gun thing is fine and I will note that the same left wing gay segment that demands the bisexual men and their action are the same ones that call us hetero by proxy and teach us to hate ourselves, also invite the batch of bisexual women with straight husbands to whine about how hard it is and even worse, not even give us a chance to work out our differences simply.
We don’t want to be a threat to anyone but I am looking at the increase in bisexual hate crimes, which more often than not seem to be mutual fights where the leftist gay men freely say the same slurs and the conflict isn’t that different. It’s more that the leftists sell being specific about bisexuality as a threat to an denial of gayness and from those of us who are smart to avoid them, we just establish some parts of ourselves as different. It isn’t relevant to anyone but left wing, bisexual women. As a bisexual guy who has dated bisexuals because of that, which is akin to Nazism now, bisexual women like that are too stuck on identity politics.
I will honestly say since the last straw with the Orlando shooter was that he was bisexual, probably because they touted his nutso first wife, who is all to typical to us bisexual dudes because they are “into” us but then tout the “just gay” crap when it works out and the religion part of it is still okay. It’s confusing. I just know these events tend to make us all worry but I have also gotten to where now that straight men seem to be the decent ones and I am gay (usually a slur) when they feel I am somehow denying that even though bisexual is partially that, by definition but most other times I am hetero by proxy. (when it is actual bisexuality)
The plus side, I see more rational gay and lesbian as well as bisexuals wo are leaving the cultural part of that daily(not the bi women but those ones are the worst anyhow with their emasculated, miserable hetero husbands).
Are there allowed to be two bisexual Matt’s posting here? 🙂
“Sissy time is over…” Great line. I’m hopeful that these incidents will at least wake up some of those blindly following their democrat masters.
As Tom in #11 and Nanny G in #15 pointed out there is long standing court precedent that says the police have no duty to protect you. Their job is to catch criminals not prevent criminal activity.
“As of 2013, the reported national average for police response time was 11 minutes.” – http://www.ijreview.com/2016/03/554002-heres-how-long-on-average-it-takes-for-police-to-respond-to-a-911-call/