So, apparently somebody made this. We’re supposed to ignore the fact that this Muslim Democrat cheered for the 9-11-2001 attacks, has a long history of Islamist behavior that includes threatening to murder fellow students because a slice of bacon touched his hamburger, a guy who posted on Facebook “The real Muslims will never accept the filthy ways of the West” and… Oh, yeah, his father is an Islamist that supports the Taliban... and pretend it was all about Teh Ghey. Because ‘The Narrative.’
Omar Mateen was not a closeted gay dude who went to pulse to work out his issues by committing mass murder. The overwhelming evidence is that he was a life-long jihadist who… by the way… called 911 to pledge his loyalty to [omitted] during his mass murder.
Also, he was apparently a Hillary supporter.
The left… and especially the dim-witted gay left… will grasp at any straw to avoid discussing how Obama’s inept and crippled-by-political-correctness FBI let this guy go on three separate occasions.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/he-didnt-do-it-for-terrorism-man-claiming-to-be-orlando-attackers-lover-comes-forward/
the left has a real conflict of interest here. no matter if they blame it on his being a muslim or his being gay they are going to offend one of their organized voter blocs. if only mateen had converted to Christianity at so point they wouldn’t have this problem.
Please look at the reason for the bait and switch:
If they don’t try to paint him as gay rather than a Muslim, then they can’t get their gun narrative out there.
The Democrats have survived by pandering to different minority groups, hoping, often successfully, to amass enough vote from these different group to get elected.
However, if they give any one of the minority groups everything they want, two things happen:
1) They lose the hook that got them to vote Democrat.
2) The other minority groups say, “HEY! WHAT ABOUT ME?!”
Orlando is bringing this out. Gays thought this administration was completely on their side (and this has angered BLM) until it came to defending them against Muslim aggression, then suddenly they try to paint him as simply a disgruntled and mentally deranged gay (which, btw, feeds the narrative of the far RIGHT) to distract from the fact that they have been pandering to Muslim who hate gays with a passion. All to push an anti-gun narrative. This administration is basically throwing gays under the bus.
I’m starting to wonder if the whole ISIS thing was just some sort of perverse false flag or spur-of-the-moment trolling on the killer’s part. Even ignoring the speculation about his sexual preferences, there seems to be a fair amount of independent testimony that he was a habitual drunkard, so by definition he wasn’t a very good muslim.
Still, on its face, when you wave someone’s flag (false or otherwise) while charging into battle, and the owner of that flag say “Hell yeah, brother!”, you kinda have to go with the two being linked.
Ah yes, the anonymous source who says “I was so-and-so’s secret homosexual lover” without any evidence to back it up. Truly, the most trust-worthy source in the world.
You know, even if Mateen was a closet-case, you still can’t ignore the role of Islam in the case. Even “mainstream” Muslims believe that homosexuality ought to be punishable by death; even moderate Muslims who do not completely ignore the Koran say that it is unacceptable. No matter how you want to spin it, you can’t ignore the fact that Omar Mateen was the product of a barbaric civilization that is obviously inferior to our own, and which we are importing more and more members of who wish to drag us down to their level.
The millions of people who want to make this about Mateen being “Muslim” is truly astonishing. I mean, comments like “even if Mateen was a closet-case” … really, queen? Really?
…and especially the dim-witted gay left… will grasp at any straw to avoid losing their victim-hood status.
And once again, al-Cray-da shows exactly which side he’s on. Anyone up for a charge of treason against Vince?
Regards,
Peter H.
Peter, it sounds like you need a charge of something up somewhere.
Oh, yeah, I went there. Deal with it.
*mic drop*
Regards,
CrayCrayPatriot
Chew on this, al-Cray-da:
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2016/06/21/man-who-worshiped-at-same-mosque-as-orlando-gunman-reported-him-to-fbi/
Check-friggin-mate, b*tch.
Regards,
Peter H.
A Muslim reports a crazy? Oh, but I thought all Muslims were EEEEVVVVVIIIIILLLLLL!
(According to Trump and GP)
Al-Cray-da, let me recap for you:
Gunman goes into a gay nightclub, kills 49 people and injures dozens more, calls authorities in the midst of it and says he did it for the Islamic State.
Please tell me which part of this fact eludes you so that you have to make up excuses for militant Islamic jihad. Go ahead, I’ll wait.
Regards,
Peter H.
How long? Because it was, like, only a couple hours after the shooting that you demanded (multiple times like a crazy person) I “say something” about the events on GP. Lmao
People say things all the time. Such as, “I love my life,” “My marriage is a happy one,” etc.
I guess, according to you, we need to take everyone at their word.
So, if I went and helped an old lady across the street and told everyone that “I did it for Allah,” does that make me Muslim?
*roll eyes*
You need to change your brand of vodka. Or something.
Oh, yeah, I went there, Miss Thang. Deal with it. Chew on it. Checkmate, b!tch. *mic drop*
Regards,
CrayCrayPatriot
Wrong premise, al-Cray-da. The jihadist CLEARLY said he “did it for ISIS,” not for Allah as you claim. There is a big difference.
And if you can’t see the apples-and-oranges comparison between shooting up a gay nightclub versus helping an old lady across the street, then you REALLY have mental issues.
Be honest for once in your life, al-Cray-da. You are on the side of Islamic terrorists who want to kill you. That and you have all these “acceptance” issues that you need to work on with the help of a psychotherapist and lots of Xanax.
It obviously sucks to be you.
Regards,
Peter H.
Al-Cray-da: you actually think this guy DIDN’T do this as jihadist? Seriously?
When he was a kid, he cheered on behalf of the jihadis who flew planes into buildings on 9/11. He claimed Osama Bin Laden was his uncle. He attended a radical mosque where the imam preached death to homosexuals, on behalf of Islam.
But he was just making it up when he called 911 and said he was acting on behalf of ISIS? Really?
Did you forget to take your meds today?
#16 – BF, I think V was thinking of al-Cray-da when he titled this post “The Bottomless Stupidity and Denial of the Left.” It’s letter-perfect.
Regards,
Peter H.
I don’t believe that we can ignore the militant Muslim aspect every single time a person connected to the Muslim religion strikes.
I don’t believe Mateen is some sleeper-cell ISIS member who is part of a larger network.
I do believe there is a thing in this world called nihilism, and that many people unfortunately subscribe to it (especially in their youth).
I do believe that jihad is this most “convenient” ideology to “reach” for to supplement those nihilistic tendencies in this day and age.
I do believe that those who are crying out “Muslim, Muslim, Muslim” in this instance are doing it because they do every single time and choose to ignore the psychology in the situation (i.e. at the root of this is that he was Muslim, and Muslims are evil)
Says the person who has exactly zero Muslim friends and interchanges Muslim with militant Muslim and/or ISIS, because he doesn’t believe there is a difference.
#18 – Says the Muslim sympathizer who pretends that Mateen’s documented, lifelong adherence to Radical Islam never happened.
And yes – I don’t believe there is a difference between radical and moderate Muslims. They all want to kill people like us. Period:
http://www.infowars.com/islamic-speaker-admits-killing-gays-is-a-belief-held-by-moderate-muslims/
Regards,
Peter H.
#21 – Shorter al-Cray-da: “SQUIRREL!”
*Drops mic*
Regards,
Peter H.
@21 The Bush letter is old news. It proves nothing.
The Bushes are strange. They’ve adopted Bill Clinton into their family as the black sheep (I wonder if Hillary is included). 43 has never been critical of Obama, but has the audacity to announce that he won’t vote for Trump. It’s understandable that the elites wanted Jeb. His grandfather was a U.S. senator, and the grandmother urged her children to do public service but I doubt she would have wanted a political dynasty, either Bush or Clinton. That’s why south of the border, in some of the banana republics they’ve had civil wars opposing the idea. Now they have lifetime presidents.
If Mateen was a Hillary supporter, that’s one less vote for her from Florida.
Standard al-Crayda tactics: if somebody wrecks your narrative with logic, give them a dose of unpleasantness and name calling. If they refuse to back down, quickly change the subject to something completely unrelated.
As for whether Mateen was gay or not: his family comes from a region notorious for homosexuality, where you only get in trouble for gay sex if you are the passive partner.
There is no conflict between him cruising bars for some male ass and him being a Koran-thumping jihadi. His dad is a supporter of the Taliban, who are the poster children for this behavior.
And somehow the DOJ and Lynch have no idea where Omar Mateen’s wife or father are. It’s got to be the NRA’s fault. *Heavy sarcasm*
Regards,
Peter H.
Cray-Cray, how many Muslim friends — not “friends of Muslim upbringing”, mind you, but actual friends who actually profess to believe that Muhammad is the greatest prophet of the Supreme Being, etc. — do you actually have; and how much time have you spent talking with them about your homosexuality; and how often have you directly challenged them on what the Quranic verses about “the people of Lut” actually mean; and how many EX-Muslim friends have you talked to on the same issues?
“how much time have you spent talking with them about your homosexuality;”
How many have you invited to attend a Gay Pride event with you? Or brought as a plus 1 to a gay wedding?
Its the soft bigotry of low expectations. The statists believe they are better than everyone else, from the plantation owners and their KKK minions to the Margaret Sanger progressives to the Great Society “liberals” and now to the muslim apologists,they believe the untermenschen are simply not responsible for their own actions. “It doesnt matter what he said, or the documented prior complaints which show a clear islamist pattern. The poor dear simply cant be held responsible. We know better.”
Its racism. Straight up.
I have one Muslim friend. She’s pretty devout. She knows I’m gay. She was one of the first people I came out to (years ago). And she doesn’t have a problem with it, and was quite supportive. I’m visiting her in two weeks. If you want to write up a list of questions for me to ask her besides the aforementioned, feel free, and I will ask her.
I lost touch with a Muslim acquaintance (I was friends with his mother mostly, who was not Muslim), who knew I was gay and didn’t have a problem with it. I never questioned him on passages. This was before Facebook, My Space, using email as a standard form of communication, etc, so it was much easier to lose touch and then difficult to reconnect years later. I haven’t been able to reconnect with them yet.
Just remembered! The friend whom I mentioned in the first paragraph of my last post lived in the heart of the Castro years ago.
Oh snap.
@ CrayCrayPatriot: Yes, CrayCray, we’ll take your word for it. Absolutely.
Throbert, I’m about to take a holiday and am not sure if I will be able to remember to check this thread for your response, so if you want to email, feel free.
I have a yahoo account. The portion of the address to the left side of the “@” sign is “vatzjr”. Cheers.
Listening to left-wing pundits telling me that Omar Mateen was a closeted gay, gun-toting redneck is giving churning up PTSD that I got from taking a modern art elective in college.