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#BLM Apparently Not Serious About That ‘NonViolence’ Stuff

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When #BlackLivesMatter apologists were saying, “Hey, they denounced the attacks in Dallas and said they’re committed to non-violence,” in order to absolve them of the carnage that was brought about, in part, by the violent rhetoric and actual violence that #BlackLivesMatter has promoted, or at a minimum, tolerated…. this was my response:

If BLM and its core principles really are peaceful, two things are going to happen.

1. BLM is going to crack down hard on elements within its groups that advocate violence.

2. BLM’s rhetoric is going to change from confrontational to cooperative

I will wait and see if these things happen.

Have #BlackLivesMatter activists toned down, much less rejected violence as a tactic?

This is what happened in Minnesota last night.

Protesters began throwing objects, including fireworks, rebar, bricks and a molotov cocktail at officers, according to the St. Paul Police Department. There were 21 police officers injured from thrown objects, including a hit to the head from a 25 pound item, later identified as a concrete block.

I would take that as a no.

By the way, issuing a statement to the press after the violence has happened denying that your group had anything to do with the violence is not a crackdown.

Frankly, I don’t get what these protests are supposed to accomplish anyway. What does marching through the street accomplish that is better than sitting down at a table with your opponents and talking with them? How does blocking traffic and preventing innocent people from getting to work or home to the hospital help advance the cause? Are these tactics even meant to achieve anything, or are they just to give violent people a space to act out and their enablers a space to bask in their smug sense of social justice?

Update: Interestingly, when a much larger number of dangerous assault-weapon-owners get together to engage in civil disobedience, there is no violence.

Comments

  2. I think BLM will implode on itself, just like the Occupy Wall Street movement did. You can only sustain irrational violence so long. It can’t happen soon enough.
    Oh, and the Minnesota riot? Yeah, where was CNN, MSNBC et al on that one. (crickets chirping)

  5. Same old, same old.

    Seemingly, our dear SJW do-gooders on the left still haven’t got the memo thaf when one plants the seeds of hate, one will only get to harvest hate.

    Thank you, Obamanation.

  6. If BLM and its core principles really are peaceful, two things are going to happen.

    1. BLM is going to crack down hard on elements within its groups that advocate violence.

    2. BLM’s rhetoric is going to change from confrontational to cooperative

    I will wait and see if these things happen.

    Let’s do the same with Islam, shall we? If Islam and its core principles are really that of a Religion of Peace, two things are going to happen.

    1) The leaders of Islam and its adherents are going to crack down hard on elements within its groups that advocate violence.

    2) Islam’s rhetoric is going to change from confrontational to cooperative.

    It’s been over a thousand years, and it still has not happened.

  9. “Are these tactics even meant to achieve anything?”

    For Barry and Hillary, a diversion to distract attention from their scandals.

    For the professional activists, a justification for their sinecures.

  10. @10 – Add to the achievement list: make the cops more trusting of black males; make cops mellow.

    Nothing mellows out cops more than widespread calls for their murder. The increased tension will in no way cause the coppers to be a bit touchier and, of course, fewer mistakes will be made.

    That’s all I can figure because the SJWs, from Geo. Soros and Mark Zuckerberg to DeRay McKesson to the Alabama “beauty queen” to Davonte and Shaniqua in the ‘hood have all thought this through.

    Or something.

    To quote Kathy Shaidle: “we really should’ve picked our own cotton.”

  11. Yeah, screaming for the cops to trust black males more while black males are committing violence directed at them.

    “The floggings shall continue until morale improves.”

    Oh, and Peter Hughes, if he does call you a racist, be sure to point out to him that Islam is not a race.

  12. The protestations of denouncing violence is to keep the sheep showing up.The missles and brickbats are to provoke a ballistic reaction that kills the sheep in the mob.Then the leadership will call for payback. Cloward and Given , bottom up, top down.

  14. I can actually AGREE with several points: policing shouldn’t be a “revenue stream” for counties or cities; perhaps cops *aren’t* the best people to investigate misbehavior on the part of other cops; and I have NEVER been in favor of militarizing the police. We can start there if they want to have a serious conversation. “Affirmative action” for hiring is a non-starter, but trying to get closer to accurate representation of the community being policed probably isn’t the worst idea ever proposed. If they’re serious about these “demands,” I think we can probably come to a mutually agreeable resolution. Anybody else?

  16. I agree somewhat with BF: A majority of the demands on the manifesto are plausible. NOT slam-dunks; not things I will necessarily agree with; but plausible enough to be debate-worthy. I’m pleasantly surprised.

    Which is why I think #BLM is going to quickly forget, ignore, or otherwise-sideline this manifesto.

  17. “4.#BLM is the reason why so many gays are packing heat”

    Everyone knows that Christian hate thought waves kill more gays than blacks, moslems, and illegal alien drunk drivers combined. Everyone at Towleroad & Advocate that is.

    BLM demands
    Making cops wear body cameras has busted several race hoaxes.

    Stop squatting section 8 housing in white neighborhoods and cops will reflect the communities they serve.

    Stop enforcing laws, well Towleroad was all for not enforcing nudity laws in NYC. Eric Garner survived being arrested 30+ times, but if a team lead by a black female put obese sickle cell people prone on their belly they can suffocate.

  18. This is something that, as a left winger, really irritates me about other liberals.

    Black people are a violent, criminal, underclass. Black crime and violence has ruined about all the cities in America. Yet we can’t say this.

    If we can’t start with the truth we can’t say anything useful.

  19. Thanks, Cyril, for your post (#14). I’m afraid that the developers of these demands/goals are a splinter group of BLM, but this manifesto or list is a good place to begin a discussion. I think the “broken windows” policing and racial makeup points are wrong, but when presented calmly and for discussion a good middle can be found.

    (Did you see the Dallas police chief’s suggestion to those who didn’t like the make-up of the force to join it? Based on what I’ve seen this past week or so, I would like him for my police chief if I were in a city looking for a new one.)

    Civil asset forfeiture I’ve always had philosophical problems with. And I don’t care for the way the courts in Ferguson, MO, and other places are used for getting money and grinding their victims into the ground.

  20. I, being a Palin RAT, only suggest that we cannot paint with a broad brush those who are protesting ‘peacefully’ vs. those who are seeking ‘headlines’.

    Even in our movement, we have similar ‘types’ remember.

    Thank you and respectfully.

  21. So.. reading the list…

    There is nothing on the list calling for modifications of behavior on the parr of the community.

    In Ferguson, I only 12% of the Black population votes. Several key “power” positions had white candidates who ran unopposed.

    The “broken window” policy: does this mean citizens should police vandalism on their own? If the police stop the “petty” crime patrol, will the citizens take over that function and not complain about the physical condition of property?

    LE colors : if the requirement is for x number of Black police officers but only x-y apply, will the positions go unfilled? If x+y number of Black people apply but most are not qualified, do the positions go unfilled? For the average Black guy growing up in Baltimore, what is the peer attitude when a 15 year old declares he wants to be a cop?

    As far as military outfitting, I do have concerns over all the hardware. Is the Black community willing to give up all their illegal weapons? Why no mention of the community helping law enforcement to rid the community of illegal weapons?

    The community “policing” of the police would be a disaster for the community. We have already seen the results in many urban areas. Police will no longer respond to a “live” incident. They will wait until the incident is over, collect evidence and let the detectives sort it out after. The criminals know this. This type of vigilante justice with result in many unfilled positions or positions filled with unqualified people.

  22. frizzled:

    Black people are a violent, criminal, underclass.

    No, they’re not. -Some- are; perhaps too many. And they’re joined by many whites and others.

    And what about America’s violent, criminal overclass? You know – the people in charge right now; the woman who is about to become President-Elect Criminal. Why don’t you say “White people are a violent, criminal overclass”? It would be equally true. (That is: only partly and incompletely true, and as such, NOT very useful.)

    If we can’t start with the truth we can’t say anything useful.

    Then let’s tell the truth.

    1. “Race” is a stupid/false way to categorize people. It’s more sensible to categorize people by their behavior, character and/or ideas.

    2. Those who categorize others under the stupid idea (the false category) of “race”, ignoring individual differences, -are racists-.
    Yes, the term is greatly over-used by Obama and the Left – who are infected by racism. But that doesn’t mean the term has no meaning. Let’s not be infected by racism; that is, let’s not sink to #BLM’s level.

  25. Peter, it’s a bit odd because the basic viewpoint here at GP – shared to greater or lesser degrees by myself, V, Bruce and other GP bloggers – is pro-liberty (or small-government; though far from anarchist); Christian-tolerant (though not publicly-religious); and anti-racist.

    We criticize Obama, Hillary, Kerry, Gore, etc. on the grounds that they’re Big Government, and, divisive e.g. race-mongering and Christian-intolerant.

    frizzled seems to be the opposite of us. He identifies as left-wing. But has gotten banned from some left-wing sites (as he has mentioned in previous GP comments), and so he came to this conservative site. Expecting…..??? I don’t know what. We don’t like Big Government here, and, we don’t like racism here.

    We do welcome differing viewpoints and debate. But that includes, of course, our own right to disagree or to go “back atcha” when people seem to be wrong.

  26. #26 – Totally agree, ILC, as we’ve discussed before. I also find it both amusing and noteworthy that frizzled identifies as a “liberal” yet espouses racist views of blacks that most SJWs would falsely attribute to conservatives.

    In fact, I find most liberals to be self-centered elitists who claim empathy with the “common man” but never seem to be found in their company.

    Regards,
    Peter H.

  29. Yikes! All it takes to be racist is: Hating, or pre-judging, or over-classifying, a person because of their “race” (which may be real or imagined).

    Blacks may possibly be racist, as Obama and #BLM give us daily proof.

  32. Peter – Things are busy, I might do a post on the following, or I might not, but….

    It seems to me that the recent tragedies are a bit planned and, once more, really about gun control.

    By “a bit planned”, I mean: Opportunistically-exploited by the Obama/Left/Media machine. Their idea *might* be something like this. “Now that it’s a Black threat, maybe we can get all those racist white redneck gun owners to finally give in on more gun control!”

    Which, if that is their idea, would be ridiculous. But I do believe that Hillary is planning to take away more of Americans’ freedoms and, for that reason, wants much more gun control as she goes into office.

  34. Hillary is planning to take away more of Americans’ freedoms and, for that reason, wants much more gun control as she goes into office.

    Don’t coronate her yet, ILC. The Sanders supporters are now feeling The Bern, and they are NOT happy about it:

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/12/people-are-furious-that-bernie-sanders-just-endorsed-hillary-clinton/

    I’m estimating that a good chunk of Bernie’s (former) supporters are going to be turning to The Donald in November, because they are not thrilled at all with the DNC nominee.

    I’m not a big Trump supporter myself, but like the old coach said, “You dance with who brung ya.”

    Regards,
    Peter H.

  37. @R23: If all blacks disappeared, America’s cities would become much safer and more livable. That is what I mean. Blacks are characterized by being violent and criminal. Not all are, but they are disproportionately so.

    Hard truths, like I said.

    Race is neither stupid nor false. It’s a clustering system. It exists – ask any doctor. It’s relevant because it delineates behavioral differences between black and white.

  38. It exists – ask any doctor

    Yes – *ethnic groups* cluster (but do not determine) for certain diseases.

    Now….What do those genetics have to do with the content of anyone’s behavior, character or ideas? Hint: Nothing. When it comes to those things, “race” is a 100% false and stupid way to cluster anybody.

    If all blacks disappeared, America’s cities would become much safer and more livable.

    Up next: Death camps.

    Get out, frizzled. Truly: You just blew it. You’re insulting everyone’s intelligence. You must have intended to, so I shall tell you what you apparently want to hear: it’s time for you to get lost. You have a right to your opinion…and you can express it on someone else’s property. Start your own blog; criticize or disagree with us (or whomever) from there.