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How Much Would You Be Willing to Submit to Islam in Return for Peace?

Posted by V the K at 12:31 pm - July 16, 2016.
Filed under: Religion Of Peace

Hillary Clinton responded to the terror attack in Nice with bland, meaningless platitudes about how important it was to “work with our allies.” (And do what, exactly?) Lesbian intellectual Sally Kohn says we need to work more with “moderate Muslims,” because they’ve been SO helpful up to this point.

As usual, the left’s response is not directed at stopping the perpetrators of Islamist terrorist violence, but at the populations of American and Europe. “We know most of you are racist warmongers, and it’s our job to calm you down so you don’t demand we start killing Muslims” is the subtext for the messaging from the left.

OK, so the left does not want to go to war with radicalized Islam. We get that. Such a war would be long, and bloody, and difficult, and expensive. It would be harmful to children and other living things. OK, then, well, if not war, what else is there? Personally, I believe that the Islamists want and expect the west to completely surrender our culture to theirs. The left believes, differently, that we can get to peace by some level of appeasement, accommodation, or compromise.

So, how far are leftists willing to go to appease radical Islam? In formerly Great Britain, we’ve seen police look the other way to avoid prosecuting Mohammedan child-rapists and even banning the depiction of cartoon pigs. In Scandinavia, they are simply pretending that rape and violence associated with “refugee communities” doesn’t exist. In the USA, Muslims are given a level of legal accommodation — Islam taught in public schools, public-financed prayer rooms, taxpayer-funded Muslim advisory councils — that would never be permitted for Christians. The ACLU and the Freedom From Religion Foundation sue at any public acknowledgement that Christianity is a thing that exists, but Islam can do as it pleases. So, the capitulation has begun.

Addendum:  The left is also willing to compromise due process, self-defense, free speech, and other human rights of their own citizens, and build the surveillance and enforcement apparatus of a police state, for “security.”

How far would the Western left be willing to go to accommodate them in return for peace (assuming you could.) Would you be willing to officially recognize Islam as the state religion and reorder our legal system until it is Sharia-compliant? Would you be willing to regulate non-Muslims to second-class status, per sharia law? Would you be willing to permanently outlaw alcohol, bacon, and pornography? Would you be willing to enact the death-penalty for adultery and homosexuality?

Seriously, if you are unwilling to confront Islamist Triumphalism, then what is your proposed accommodation?

 

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  1. “OK, so the left does not want to go to war with radicalized Islam.”

    Sigh.
    What the hell does this even mean? Obama has killed 20,000+ isis members in Syria and Iraq alone he has targeted their leadership and finances…but…You want the USA to do…what exactly?
    http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/17/politics/isis-fighters-killed-iraq-syria/
    Start another land war with USA soliders policing intersections in Iraq Afghanistan, Indonesia, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Yemen, Iran Syria and a whole slew of other countries?

    You are so ridiculous it hurts.

    Comment by mike — July 16, 2016 @ 1:00 pm - July 16, 2016

  2. I don’t think there is any accommodation. Given what goes on the the Muslim world (around 50 majority-Muslim nations), when Muslims run out of infidels, they go after each other.

    In some ways, the left is a lot like Islam: there is no peaceful accommodation. Every concession is met with more demands.

    Look what we have so far: same-sex marriage by judicial fiat (the democratic way just wasn’t fast enough); trannies demanding (and getting) access to the restroom that suits then that day; the “serious” people taking BLM seriously, and on and on… and they just get angrier and their demands get more intrusive.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-16/black-lives-matter-organizer-triggered-white-people-demands-money-being-fat-black-bi

    I made the mistake of following a couple of links in the above and people are taking this “woman” seriously and agreeing with her. It is not possible to reach agreement with these people; they only accept surrender before moving on to the next, more outrageous, demand.

    Ditto for Islam: the Germans are jailing people for blaspheming Islam and, even more sinful, for expressing a preference for their German heritage and culture over that of, say, Syria or Tunisia.

    Unconditional surrender? Or civil war? Seems that the “in between” options are becoming fewer and fewer.

    Comment by KCRob — July 16, 2016 @ 1:10 pm - July 16, 2016

  3. mike – you’ve crossed a line, here. You have associated “radical” Islam with ISIS. Not even BHO will do that. BHO (and Geo W Bush) have told us, over and over, this has nothing to do with Islam.

    A war with radical Islam isn’t necessarily all bombs and bullets. It’s an ideological war: a clash of civilizations (to borrow Samuel Huntington’s phrase). This is where the West (Christendom) is losing.

    It’s not enough that we say “you are free to practice your faith as long as you respect the rights of others”; we cede more and more cultural territory to them and, worse, demean and deny our own cultural inheritance. This is why the West is losing.

    As I mentioned in my last comment, there are about 50 majority-Muslim nations in the world: moderate and reasonably sane to severe and insane. Anyone wanting to live in a Muslim society is spoiled for choice. Anyone unwilling to accept and integrate with a host Western culture should pick a Muslim country and go.

    Muslims willing to accept the limits imposed by a pluralist society are welcome to stay. Rodney King famously asked: “can’t we all just get along?”. The answer is: “no”.

    Comment by KCRob — July 16, 2016 @ 1:26 pm - July 16, 2016

  4. So, anecdotally, or at least by word of mouth (sorry, “Oral tradition”): My great-grandparents (or maybe one generation further back) used to literally hide their wealth buried in the yard. Every so often, the Turkish soldiers would stop by to visit. One brother would take the families and go hide up in the mountains while the other would stay behind to pay off the soldiers with the family gold. This worked out okay for years (decades?), up until the time that the one brother came home to find the other dead and the yard excavated.

    Or another version, overheard at a church picnic a couple of years ago. A pair of old timers were counting up the score: Let’s see, the devoutly Islamist sultan killed about a half million Armenians over thirty or forty years. Then he was ousted by the “moderate” and “secular” Young Turks, who killed 3 to 4 million in six months. Maybe we were better off with the religious ones.

    Comment by Sathar — July 16, 2016 @ 1:36 pm - July 16, 2016

  5. “As usual, the left’s response is not directed at stopping the perpetrators of Islamist terrorist violence, ”

    No. You said “As usual, the left’s response is not directed at stopping the perpetrators of Islamist terrorist violence, ” and “OK, so the left does not want to go to war with radicalized Islam.”

    I showed you why you are incorrect in saying that. Then I asked you what else would you have Obama do?

    Can you answer that?

    Comment by mike — July 16, 2016 @ 3:00 pm - July 16, 2016

  6. @ mike: Actually, the Iranians and the Kurds have been doing the lion’s share of the fighting and winning.

    Comment by Sean L — July 16, 2016 @ 3:06 pm - July 16, 2016

  7. Accommodations for Islamist Absolutism? How about “…the Peace of the Grave“?

    Less Give Peace a Chance — more Battle Hymn of the Republic,

    Comment by Ted B. (Charging Rhino) — July 16, 2016 @ 3:27 pm - July 16, 2016

  8. The last time we encountered suicidal fanatics it took two nuclear devices to get them to stop.

    Comment by Roy Lofquist — July 16, 2016 @ 3:35 pm - July 16, 2016

  9. ” I can’t believe our military couldn’t wipe ISIS (which is just one of multiple Islamist organizations) off the face of the Earth ”

    Oh my god. So your solution to global terror really is the USA having its soldiers mannning checkpoints, directing traffic and going house to house looking for needles in haystacks

    Afterr the first American boot hits the ground isis will disappear into the population and wage a battle via mines, suicide bombers, and ieds……

    That’s what you want Obama to do?!??!

    Even Putin isnt as insane as you.

    Comment by mike — July 16, 2016 @ 3:56 pm - July 16, 2016

  10. He also uses the either/or and many other logical fallacies.

    Comment by Juan — July 16, 2016 @ 4:22 pm - July 16, 2016

  11. “See, now that is an actual strawman. You misused the term yesterday,”

    Lolzzzzzz. So you are now backtracking? Fine. If sending the military into the streets of Syria is not your solution what is?

    You are the one who laid the charge and claimed Obama is not doing enough. What more do you want him to do?

    Comment by mike — July 16, 2016 @ 4:36 pm - July 16, 2016

  12. Given that most of ISIS’s victims are Muslim, you better pick the right form of Islam, with the right intensity to avoid being attacked, if you are going to go this route.

    Comment by Evi L. Bloggerlady — July 16, 2016 @ 4:41 pm - July 16, 2016

  13. V
    I did answer your question. I showed yiu how your premise is incorrect. Obama’s policy is focused on “stopping the perpetrators of Islamist terrorist violence.” His policies has killed – lots and lots of Islamic radicals.
    So….
    What more do you want him to do?

    Comment by mike — July 16, 2016 @ 5:51 pm - July 16, 2016

  14. Oh my god. So your solution to global terror really is the USA having its soldiers mannning checkpoints, directing traffic and going house to house looking for needles in haystacks

    Actually, it could start by actually paying attention to when people tip it off to the presence of terrorists in its midst.

    Imagine that. Stupid mikey wants govt resources spent on spying on US citizens who happen to be veterans or happen to own guns, but insists that the government ignore all signs of Islamist terror because “Islamophobia”.

    That’s because mikey is a piss coward. Notice how mikey has all sorts of excuses for why he would never confront or kill Islamist terrorists. Mainly because a piss coward like mikey KNOWS if he treated Islamists with the same hatred and contempt with which he treats US citizens and Christians, he would be summarily murdered.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — July 16, 2016 @ 5:56 pm - July 16, 2016

  15. Obama’s policy is focused on “stopping the perpetrators of Islamist terrorist violence.”

    Nope. Obama is a piss coward like you, mikey, a racist who hates white people, Jews and Christians and thus protects Muslim terrorists because they also hate white people, Jews and Christians.

    Why do you think the stupid Obama lied about Omar Mateen’s motivations, mikey? Why do you think the stupid Obama tried to deny it was Islamist terrorism? Why do you think the stupid Obama and the even more stupid Hillary are incapable of admitting that Islamist terrorism exists?

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — July 16, 2016 @ 6:00 pm - July 16, 2016

  16. Given that most of ISIS’s victims are Muslim, you better pick the right form of Islam, with the right intensity to avoid being attacked, if you are going to go this route.

    Good point.

    Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — July 16, 2016 @ 6:26 pm - July 16, 2016

  17. Obama should leave troops in Iraq to avoid the latest subhuman group from using religion as an excuse to fulfill their sex fueled fantasies. That way the Iraqi people would have a decent chance of joining the rest of the planet and the lid could be kept on. Oh, wait…he didn’t do that, did he? Oopsie.

    Since he and the rest of our “leaders” have apparently been paid off…I say nuke these things until they glow. Then shoot them in the dark.

    Comment by Lobogris — July 16, 2016 @ 6:42 pm - July 16, 2016

  18. the left doesn’t want to fight the muslims, no kidding. they left and the muslims are allies in this war against the west.

    Comment by salg — July 16, 2016 @ 8:45 pm - July 16, 2016

  19. I think the whole premise of VtK’s original post is flawed, because it’s not so much that leftists are in love with Islam, but that they’re violently allergic to criticizing “brown cultures,” and are much too easily cowed by accusations of COLONIAL IMPERIALIST PRIVILEGE! and ISLAMOPHOBIA! and ORIENTALISM!

    I dunno what the solution is, except perhaps to remind them that #InfidelLivesMatter, and to NOT let them use words like “Islamophobia” or “Orientalism” as slurs unless they’re willing to recognize, admit, and denounce the rampant “Kuffarophobia” and “Occidentalism” in contemporary Muslim societies. (As for “colonialism,” Islam did not spread out of the Arabian peninsula, from Morocco to Malaysia, by going door-to-door with pamphlets.)

    It’s also important to say harsh criticism of “misbehaving brown Muslims” today is no less valid, and no more shameful, than harsh criticism of white Euro-Christian witch-burners and heretic-killers and Jew-baiters of yesteryear.

    Comment by Throbert McGee — July 16, 2016 @ 9:08 pm - July 16, 2016

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  22. The solution is simple. Drone strike the hell.out of known ISIS territories. Then block the their borders not ours. An announced naval blockade of all ports. Do no allow any planes taking off from those areas to land in the US. Seize all Muslim countries’ financial assets in the US. Ban OPEC oil. Flood the market with US subsidized oil. Cripple the Muslim countries until they clean up their own house. Then let Allah sort it out.

    Comment by tnnsne1 — July 17, 2016 @ 10:32 am - July 17, 2016

  23. Gay Patriot take a vacation to Indonesia the country that has the largest Muslim population and see how most people react to The GHEY
    Or see how much homosexual behavior there is in Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia

    Comment by John — July 17, 2016 @ 11:24 am - July 17, 2016

  24. littlelettermikey, the fascist has only one concept and it is, by definition a straw man incarnate. That is to say littlelettermikey, the fascist will not stray from his entirely bogus premise that all men and women inherently strive to coexist in peace and harmony and the warm glow of love infused by Utopian sunshine.

    Everything that is to the contrary of this juvenile imbecility does not phase littlelettermikey, the fascist because he is full of “yes, but” responses that precede his dragging out of his pet “coexist” straw man.

    People who have this Utopian “coexist” cancer feel so good about their grandiose, all embracing sense of high moral superiority that they are incapable of admitting the possibility of evil.

    What amazes me is how ignorant these folks are of what goes into the process of making it fundamentally possible for people locked up in prisons to “coexist” to the extent that they do. littlelettermikey, the fascist’s mind can not wrap itself around the use of power to impose even the roots of his vaunted Utopia on people.

    Yes ISIS is being bombed. Does littlelettermikey, the fascistmindlessly “think” that when ISIS is destroyed that the Arab Spring will blossom out in a love-enfusing fragrance which will cause Saudi Arabia to honor and respect gays, women and Christians in a heart warming show of reverse Wahhabism?

    Does littlelettermikey, the fascist literally imagine no heaven, no hell, people living for today, no countries, nothing to kill or die for, no religion, people living in peace, no possessions, no greed or hunger, a brotherhood of man sharing the world?

    Is that his straw man? I say it is.

    Well, littlelettermikey, the fascist after you and OBambi crush ISIS, you can move on to these: MS-13, Boko Haram, Taliban, Jundallah, Al-Qaeda, Mujahedin, FRETLIN, MNLF, Saor Éire, Abu Sayyaf, Tamil Tigers, Hizbul Mujahideen, Jaish-e-Mohammed, Komala, Jabhat al-Akrad, Black September, Ansar al-Islam, Tehreek-e-Nafaz-e-Shariat-e-Mohammadi, Al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades, Hamas, Hezbollah, Umkhonto we Sizwe, Eritrean Liberation Front, SWAPO, Lesotho Liberation Army, Janaweed, SPLM-IO, ETA, Kosovo Liberation Army, Red Brigades, Chechen Astian Maskhadov, Zapatista National Liberation Army, Bloods, Crips, Mafia, etc.

    Islam is based on the goal of one world-wide theocracy in which the theocratic dictators rule the people according to the Qurʾān and the Hadīt (Hadith), which is the ‘record of the traditions or sayings of the Prophet Muhammad, revered and received as a major source of religious law and moral guidance, second only to the authority of the Qurʾān, the holy book of Islam.”

    The absolute fact of the matter is that Islam is riven with schizophrenia fueled by the indefinite concepts of “jihad” and “caliphate” and Shahada (There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his prophet) and the philosophic differences between the Sunnis, Shi’as, Mutazilites, Murjites, the Kharijites, Sulfists and the periodic pop-up legalist, Charismatic fundamentalist.

    People like littlelettermikey, the fascist totally ignore reality and just spew their dreamscape straw man tripe while deeming everyone who does not jump on their happy-ass bandwagon as being peace, harmony, coexistence, Utopia deniers.

    littlelettermikey, the fascist keeps showing up with his same old crapola because he is a one-trick pony who essentially believes that his is the true rythem of the universe. Woody Allen warned us about how the mind of littleletter mikey, the fascist operates: “Right now it’s only a notion, but I think I can get the money to make it into a concept, and later turn it into an idea.”

    Comment by Heliotrope — July 17, 2016 @ 12:46 pm - July 17, 2016

  25. I would be willing to isolate them from the internet and from international flights. Then they won’t become corrupted by our western ideas and culture. I know, it’s a big price to pay, but the results would be worth it… for peace.

    Comment by Professor Hale — July 18, 2016 @ 8:37 am - July 18, 2016

  26. Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people in Indonesia face legal challenges and prejudices not experienced by non-LGBT residents. Traditional mores disapprove of homosexuality and cross-dressing, which impacts public policy. For example, Indonesian same-sex couples and households headed by same-sex couples are not eligible for any of the legal protections available to opposite-sex married couples. Indonesia does not have a sodomy law and Indonesia does not currently criminalize private, non-commercial homosexuality act among consenting adults, yet Indonesian law does not protect LGBT community against discrimination and possible hate crimes. Currently, Indonesia does not recognize same-sex marriage. In July 2015, Indonesian Religious Affairs Minister stated that it is unacceptable in Indonesia, because strongly held religious norms speak strongly against it.[1] The importance in Indonesia for social harmony leads to duties rather than rights to be emphasized, which means that human rights along with LGBT rights are very fragile.[2] Yet, the LGBT community in Indonesia has steadily become more visible and politically active.[2]

    Recently LGBT people in Indonesia are facing growing hostility and intolerance.[3] In early 2016, LGBT people and activists in Indonesia are facing fierce opposition, homophobic attacks, and hate speech, even launched by Indonesian authorities.[4] In February 2016, Human Rights Watch urged Indonesian government to defend the rights of LGBT people and publicly condemn officials’ discriminatory remarks.[5]

    Coming out to family and friends is seldom carried out by LGBT people in Indonesia, as they are more afraid of rejection and social backlash. Nevertheless, there are some rare examples of understanding and acceptance of the family of LGBT person.[6]

    In other words, they won’t bake a cake…

    Comment by TnnsNe1 — July 18, 2016 @ 10:44 am - July 18, 2016

  27. Hey Mike, can you please defend “willful blindness” and the release of Gitmo prisoners.

    Comment by Teapartyguardian — July 18, 2016 @ 11:35 pm - July 18, 2016

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