My original question was “Why does Barack Obama hate Israel.” This in the context of the Obama regime crafting and allowing to pass a UN resolution condemning Israel for building apartments (to the left, building apartments is an obstacle to peace, firing missiles at kindergartens {like the Palestinians do} is not). It was followed up by John Kerry’s anti-Israel speech today. Clearly, the president has a bitter animus toward Israel, and I wondered whether it was because of his anti-Westernism, his sympathy for Mohammedans, or simply his deep and personal hatred of Benjamin Netanyahu. But Ben Shapiro went ahead and answered the question “Why does Obama Hate Israel” and he attributes it to Obama’s lifelong indoctrination in anti-Western, anti-Judeo-Christian values… beginning at the feet of Frank Marshall Davis and continuing through Bill Ayers and the Reverend Jeremiah Wright. Obama has always surrounded himself with haters of America and the West, and Israel is a symbol of the West and therefore he hates Israel and seeks to facilitate its destruction.
However, hatred of Israel is not just Obama, it is a feature of the Modern Left. From the BDS movements urging universities to “Boycott, Divest, and Sanction” Israel for the crime of being a liberal democracy surrounded by Islamic tyranny, through the insane “Queers for Palestine” gay leftists siding with people who would throw them from the roofs of buildings, right up through the Obama State Department, the American Left has become a hotbed of anti-semitism. Western leftists side with the Mohammedan tyrants… the same Mohammedan tyrants who deny women any human rights and brutally torture and kill gay people… at the same time they will destroy Christians for simply refusing to bake a cake for a gay wedding. The only thing that explains this is a deranged, pathological hatred for Western Civilization and Christianity.
The other reason… and Shapiro sort of touches on this… is that in the United States, the left hates Israel because support for Israel is identified with the Christian Right. The left will therefore hate and despise Israel of pure spite. The left just cannot allow themselves to agree with the Christian Right on anything. To do so would cause a loss of social and tribal status. Conversely, the more openly one hates Israel, the more one is demonstrating how different they are from the Christian Right. In a sense, hatred of Israel is a twisted leftist form of virtue signaling.
Am I wrong?
No, you are not wrong & Shapiro is also right. Though he’s a little repetitive on the matter as many have deduced that some of the hatred comes out of spite. However; it’s complicated because Israel is an imperfect ally. They spy on us aggressively, there is espionage aplenty & their hands are always, always out for more freebee’s.
The Christian Right’s “biblical” view of Israel notoriously does not take into account, modern day context. So, while it is important to support a client state & ally; there is more than enough reasons to be realisitic. I prefer realism & pragmatism in the matter. They are not part of the West, but their nation is Westernized & is oriented towards the West because of their modern history.
Obama & the Democrats current view of Israel has come & then it will be gone. The civilians on the Left vomit out whatever coincides with Leftist/Democrat talking points. It’s transitory. Which is why it doesn’t make sense. It’s not logical, because it’s superficial.
The fact is, they are a client state as I mentioned, in a currently important region.
I prefer Israel’s Jews or Liberal American Jews.
It is easy to figure out. Commies are always for the underdog, and they view the subhuman Mohammedans as victims. Therefore, approve of slaughter by Mooslims and hate those pesky capitalistic Jews.
Israel has continuity with the Kingdom of Israel only in the sense that it too is a primarily Jewish state situated in the same territory as the kingdom. It is certainly not governed by Mosaic law, though there is an effort to keep it primarily Jewish, even to the point of allowing same-sex and interfaith couples to make Aaliyah to Israel.
I find the Evangelical fixation with Israel, and Jews in general, to be somewhat amusing, since since many Israelis don’t have a reciprocal admiration, and a lot of Jews in America are only culturally or ethnically Jewish, and are typically hostile to an Evangelical worldview.
I would argue that Israel is Western in the sense that the Western philosophy is the one that most closely matches Israeli values: leaders are democratically elected, people can associate with each other freely and speak their mind, can have relations with other consenting adults without fear of legal reprisal, etc. That said, I can’t be the only one who thinks that the Israelis sometimes act like they hold our leash. Which is not really the proper attitude of a client state to its suzerain. So, while America should and must continue to support Israel politically as a matter of principle, I do think Trump would be wise to spell out that Israel can’t continue to play the roll of America’s bratty child.
Hanover, Israel spies on us, we spy on them. We spy on Japan, they spy on us. It’s sorta the way of the world. Only crazy countries trust other countries implicitly. The first duty of a nation is to it’s citizen or subjects.
In the US it’s in the conservative right that support for Israel is found – yet American Jews are pretty much Deomcrats / leftists. I have never understood this.
Liberals hate Israel because Israel is an enlightened democracy surrounded by Pyrenees. Liberals always take the side of tyrants.
If Israel really were a tyranny oppression Muslims, liberals would support Israel.
The part about Christianity is more of a coincidence, really. Christians generally work to promote freedom and democracy. They generally fight against tyranny.
As such, liberals hate Christianity on a matter of principle.
Above: Pyrenees = tyrannies.
socialism feeds off of rescuing victims, underdogs, minorities. so-called palestinians are just one of many with gaia as the ultimate rescuee. (and evangelicals interest in israel obviously stem from the fact that the founder of christianity and the writers of sacred texts hail from there)
The Israelis took a wasteland that no one else wanted, and they worked to build it into a stable democracy with a high standard of living.
If Palestine had been a garden, and if the Jews had moved in and turned it into a slum, then every coffee shop intellectual in New York, and every mink coat liberal in Beverly Hills, would be a militant Zionist.
@ 1, there’s still many liberal (primarily left wing) Jews who don’t support Israel and are Pro Palestine.
And not so surprisingly, none of our rabid libtrolls have answered your question, V. The silence is deafening, and we all know that silence = complicity according to them.
Regards,
Peter H.
The lib trolls have been silent of late. Is it because they know that their lame-ass talking points have been turned into pincushions? The only one who seems to turn up anymore is mike, who does nothing more than say “Russian pawns!” and leave. If liberals are so confident… why aren’t we hearing it?
Oh my god
“Building apartments” ?!?!?!??!?!?
Are you intentionally dense or do you really believe that?
Peter:
The trolls just woke up from their nighty night slumber.
Says the idiot child who thinks that “resisting arrest” isn’t a crime.
Checkmate.
Regards,
Peter H.
jews used to be the darlings of the communists but decades ago the communists dumped the jews for the muslims. in order to appease the muslims the communists became virulent anti israel supporters. a fact that jewish American leftists either haven’t caught on to yet or don’t care about.
I like this as code for when we want to talk about them behind their backs.
“Those Pyrenees ruin everything fun…”
@12 “Oh my god” should be “Oh my Allah”.
Why does the American Left hate Israel?
Well, the American left hates anyone who gets ahead by hard, decent work. Israel is a successful nation because of its hard work, its willingness to defend its civilians; and its willingness to show care for others, even those who are trying to “wipe Israel off the face of the map.”
Those are values the left just cannot understand. Can’t understand it; then they must hate it.
The Greeks had a word for it (which unfortunately escapes me) but it basically translates to “the hatred of the monster for that which is normal [and, by extension, good.]
I am a (legal) self-sustained french immigrant living on US soil.
I have never been a nationalist. I left France because I was freaking sick and tired of it going at full bore (and staying) into full socialist retardation at my freaking tax payer expenses. So yeah, to hell nationalism, left or right. An ever increasing number of state worshiping beggar morons leeching on my sweat (and trashing my rights some more at every new page of legislation their endless moral relativism can invent) is not something I enjoy — last time I checked, I have no interest in masochism.
Thus how it comes that at any one point in time I only care about the country I live in, to not follow the same pattern, or I leave. And unlike the amerikan leftist despondent snowflakes/crying bullies whining and throwing tantrums each time they don’t get their way — I actually just do it (move elsewhere, that is).
So, Israel? Well. Aren’t they grown ups?
Hence:
http://i.imgur.com/Tf1ktsT.jpg
Q.E.D.
At risk of repeating someone else because I’ve not read through the comments, you are partially right but add to it, leftists are the true racists, bigots, anti-Semites, hypocrites, etc. etc.