According to the left, a six-year-old has sufficient wisdom, maturity, and insight to decide for xerself that xe is not the “gender” that corresponds to xer biological and genetic make-up and all adults are therefore obligated to accommodate the six-year-old’s chosen gender.
But when three eighteen-year-olds and a twenty-four year old kidnap a mentally challenged man and torture him for their own amusement, livestreaming the video, those same leftists are like, “Hey, you know, they’re just kids, and kids just act stupidly sometimes because they’re immature and don’t understand the consequences.”
Likewise, you have people on the left saying that when four black people torture a white guy while yelling “F— White People, F— Donald Trump,” it isn’t really a “hate crime.” (I really don’t believe in the whole hate crimes thing, but the left does, so let’s work with that.) You know, because the details are kind of fuzzy. “We can’t really be sure what motivated them,” the lefties say. “Besides, they had a relationship before the attack, it wasn’t a random thing.”
But when a gay dude gets pistol whipped by his drug dealer and tied to a fencepost… oh, yeah, that’s totally a hate crime. No doubt. Nothing but anti-gay hate could possibly explain that.
And you know something, I can kind of see that what those four demonic sub-humans did in Chicago may not have been a “hate crime” in the sense of “an act of violence committed out of hatred for another person’s race, creed, or sexual orientation.” There was hate in it, and there was hate expressed during it, but there were other things going on… including immature, stupid people just being violent for violence sake.
And this is why I’m just not down with the entire concept of hate crimes. That poor dude they tortured… his injuries are the same whether they did it because they hated him for being white, or because they are stupid violent people behaving like stupid violent people. (I won’t call them animals, they don’t deserve the dignity.) And they should be severely punished for their actions not their motivations.
Because, let’s face it, labeling some crimes as worse because “they are hate crimes” is pretty much just virtue signaling.
Still wonder which media outlet is going to be first out of the block explaining that the four people who tortured that white guy were “basically good kids, and they were just starting to turn their lives around. Their families are still in shock. ‘It’s just not like her,'” some relative will say.
Sorry for the meandering. I know that bothers some people.
There is another dimension to this. It has been socially engineered by the Democrat Enemy. They have been beating the drums of race hatred since the “beer summit.” They leveraged Zimmerman and Ferguson into a hate fest, and spun off their terrorist arm BLM, with the resulting spate of cop murders.
The Chicago incident was completely predictable; not specifically, but that something like this was inevitable. It is only a step away from the rash of “knockout games,” and “polar bear hunting.”
For the Left, race hatred is a feature, not a bug.
I agree with your general sentiments about “Hate Crimes” in general. In this case, debates about taxonomy are intellectually stimulating, though pragmatically fairly trivial. Without bothering with the legal exercise of trying to discern the emotional state of the attackers, we are still left with:
Without even addressing the add-on charges, a prison sentence of 20-25 years seems like a reasonable starting point, no Hate needed.
Once again, V you have said it best. Comments of Manual Paleoligos and Sathar also appreciated. Sub-humans these perps are. Hope they never get out.
Well, that’s the thing, the old common wisdom holds that “actions speak louder than words”.
But for the collectivist thinking on the left, it doesn’t matter, as it’s all about rationalizing about whatever is aimed at, by their latest convenient moral relativism — “the end justifies the means”.
All the crimes mentioned in the post are indeed what was once academically called ‘bias crimes’ before the breathless SJW crowd politicized it with the loaded adjective “hate”.
The Chicago case fits the bill (with or without the Illinois Hate Crimes statute) simply because the perps knew the victim was of diminished mental capacity. That’s aside from all the eff-Trump phraseology and the elephant-in-the-room fact that the victim was white and the perps all lovely Snowflakes Of A Different Color. The fact that anyone is minimizing this incident or explaining away their actions is abhorrent. And explainers like Don Lemon who are suggesting that they aren’t ‘evil’, but merely victims of “bad home training” need to be spanked while wearing a king-sized butt plug and ball gag.
the hate crime was invented to perpetuate the myth of the oppressed black man. given the enormous amount of inter-racial crime that has a black perpetrator something had to be done to give the left statistical evidence to support the myth. so poof the creation of a completely subjective crime category that lets the leftist propagandists in the media complain about the racist oppression of blacks by the white racist honkey oppressor.
so all the uproar by ignorant people that were complaining that this incident was not being categorized as a hate crime shows how little they know about the purpose of hate crimes. i’ll explain it to you, if a crime can be used to advance the left’s political agenda it is a hate crime. if it cannot be used by the left’s to advance political agenda it is not.
it is interesting to note that in this particular crime according to the political narrative of the media the guy laying in the corner bound, gagged and bloodied is an oppressor and the people assaulting him are the oppressed people.
Great article. Miguel at GFZ brought me here and I’m glad to have found another blog to read.
Hate crime laws = legal virtue signaling. ^^^ That’s money right there.
Ah, the Left: forever fighting fake racism with real racism.
I doubt they’ll face much if any time at all. I’ve read a lot of criticism of FB for not taking the video down far sooner similar to criticizing Wikileaks for exposing the DNC hack.
If the racial polarity were reversed, the South Side would be burning today! Watching the apologist Chicago Police and District Attorney tying themselves in knots before the cameras to avoid placing any blame or responsibility on the four “kids” was disgusting. And the morning and evening news Media Liberals were not any more responsible in their coverage and editorial asides.
And the Police and the yapping Media kept underplaying the kidnapping-aspect which is a Federal crime. The victim was reportedly held-caption for at-least 24-36 hours before being left-dazed in the streets in shorts and a tee-shirt in Chicago Winter conditions. Considering the weather, that alone should be at-least endangerment if not attempted negligent or attempted deliberate manslaughter. Today’s Chicago weather 12°-high, 7°-low.
C.S. Lewis wrote in The Abolition of Man:
Later, C. S Lewis wrote in Mere Christianity:
This feral quartet acted upon “instincts” that are primitive, asocial and useless. They were not cannibals seeking a meal. They were not acting from “comparative dignity.” They had no plan; they were merely scratching an itch. We can not judge them because we can not make them understandable in our own minds.
“Precedence” is part of the hierarchy of morality and ethics. These simple human organisms are hollow chested mortals without human purpose or a shred of moral precedence. The base simplicity of what they did has no evidence of conscious reason underlying their action. What they did is not controversial. Forget their race, their words, and anything they utter. You can not place any form of “value” or “virtue” on their deeds. So, we are likely to be told, these youth are “troubled.” No, they are not. They were quite satisfied with acting upon their impulses which is why they carried through with it. We can try to find a way to see them as “victims,” but the whole purpose of “seeing” them as “victims” is nothing more complicated than overlooking what they did in order to excuse them from their actions.
Now we can have the “debate” about whether one of the four will someday discover the cure for cancer or become the world’s leading authority on stinkbugs or write a Hip-Hop Opera on the life of Jeffry Dahmer.
These are the very real examples of why Progressives and Planned Parenthood want to be the social Darwinists who murder babes in the womb. And this is the very example of the schizoid thinking of the Progressives who will fight the notion of “retro-active” abortion for the feral creatures who escaped their Planned Parenthood dragnet and grow to do what this quartet did.
Conservatives and Progressives alike have the challenge before them of what action the state should take with these kids. Everyone knows exactly what is causing many public schools to “fail” when the asocial, feral humans overwhelm the education process. The predictors for who will be incarcerated, involved in teen pregnancy, fall behind and out of school, etc. are pretty sophisticated. But you dare not speak of it. And God help the crowd that put in charge of curing the hoards of actual deplorables most of whom will never make it beyond food stamps.
This reminds me of the old contradiction that high school students can’t be trusted with a single Tylenol and their parents can’t be either; only a doctor can decide if it is needed, but a 6th grader can get pregnant and the school supports her decision to get an abortion without even informing a parent.
Soo… a single over the counter pill is more dangerous than a surgical procedure with a history of side affects? Sounds similar.
VtK, why do I get the impression I just got done reading something I would write? Including the meandering?
Get out of my mind!
I wouldn’t object to a return to “biased crimes,” specifically used in the prosecution of cases where the defendant was a child or senior, and/or was physically and/or mentally disabled. And even then, I think it shouldn’t be an additional charge, but just be a conditional thing that kicks all charges up to their maximum penalty.
A stellar example of why a super-majority of people hold the media in such contempt and reporters/journalists in such low regard.
The measure of any law is whether it is focused on a need for a law, and whether the law in question works well along side the whole of legal practice. Hate crime laws are showing the lack of this. It really was a new legal concept that is completely political in purpose.
There is lots of room for meandering in it, and anyone can merely see this. Bias crime law was much better focused.
I just read a journal that has me totally in despair.
A gay person is calling on other gays to arm themselves, preferably with guns. To learn martial arts and become politically active.
Is he saying this because of the Orlando shooting? The flooding of America with Muslim “refugees” who are taught from birth that the proper response to homosexuality is death, and actually practice it throughout the world?
No, he is saying this in response to the election of Trump.
Yup. Trump, who was aghast at the Orlando shooting (as were all Christians) unlike the left who claimed the gun was the problem. Trump, who wants the flood of Muslims to stop until they can be properly vetted because of the likelihood of Muslim violence (which is now quite prevalent in Europe). Trump, who is already down on record as upholding gay rights, including the recent Supreme Court decision legalizing same-sex marriage.
These people think that the man who is on their side is more dangerous than the hoard that wants them dead.
I weep for this nation.
” The predictors for who will be incarcerated, involved in teen pregnancy, fall behind and out of school, etc. are pretty sophisticated. But you dare not speak of it”
Yes. The predictor is poverty. Now. How to stop it?
Oh Mike, we know how to stop this, but liberals like you oppose what would work. Cut off the spigot of freebies, stop having fatherless children, fire worthless teachers and fix failing schools, get educated, get a job, value life, value hard work. The change has to come from within this community. Unfortunately, they don’t want to change. They want to continue being dependent on Uncle Sugar. They don’t want to go to school, and they don’t want to work. They keep voting for the racists that want to keep them on the Democratic Plantation. They mock those who try to escape the ghettos and accuse them of “acting white”.
CNN is whitening the picture of the Hispanic moslem FL shooter just like they did George Zimmerman.
Why would anyone think to go to a Catholic Hospital for a sex change? Wouldn’t that be like taking a date to a place your ex works as a waiter?
http://globalnews.ca/news/3163819/transgender-man-sues-catholic-hospital-for-refusing-sex-transition-surgery/
WRONG, mikey. The predictor is a cultural pathology. How to stop it? STOP ENCOURAGING and FINANCING it.
E Q U A L I T Y !
For all*** …
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“All equal at last! Equal at last!”
Woohoo.
*** Well, almost.
@ V the K: For supposedly hating Social Darwinism, he sure seems to agree with a lot of it’s basic assumptions.
Crap like this actually keeps me from going atheist. So many crimes, you can excuse as a rational being losing the fight against the irrational, instinctual impulses that have driven animal behavior for billions of years. A man finds his wife and her love in bed and murders them? That’s the urge to defend the integrity of his genetic lineage. A man steals from a store? He wants food, or the means to acquire food or goods. Cannibalism? Food. No matter how chilling or “insane” these acts are, there is at least a biological drive behind them.
But this… there’s no urge that explains it. They aren’t defending their genetic material, or their territory, or responding to an aggressor, or even hunting. This act was undertaken for no natural purpose. Something happened to humanity that made us capable of such acts, willing to do them, and even derive enjoyment from them.
Something, or some one, influenced human development and psychology at some critical moment. And it’s either a deity who created us for the express purpose of making us capable of these deeds while making us capable of finding them abhorrent, who ought to be rejected and, if possible, destroyed… the agent is blind and insane, as in Gnosticism and Lovecraft, in which case there’s no point in taking action… or the agent was somehow in opposition to the natural order.
@ 24 sean “something happened to humanity that made us capable of such acts,” it is called being raised in the village instead of a family. in the inner-cities of the united states we have created the Marxist’s new man and new woman that cultural marxism talks about. little mike says it is poverty. but having grown up poverty stricken in the projects of new jersey, the youth of today bear little or no resemblance to the young people, black or white, that I grew up with. even though we were poor, a lot materially poorer than todays youth, the majority of us had two parents in the home and all of us had some form of adult supervision. we taught right from wrong, if not from our parents then from adults where we lived. thanks to the policies that little mike endorses todays youth have neither.
@ salg: That’s too material an answer for me. This was, in the most scientific definition of the phrase, an unnatural act. So what I want to know is, how and why are we capable of unnatural acts that are not motivated by a biological impulse, and are we capable of both enjoying these acts when we perform them and when we witness them done by other to others? And I can only conclude that some supranatural agent did it, either intentionally out of malice, either as the purpose of human evolution or in defiance of the natural order, or unintentionally out of mindlessness.
littlelettermikey,the fascist, declares: “Yes. The predictor is poverty. Now. How to stop it?”
I agree … conditionally. Poverty of the pocket and poverty of the spirit are two different things entirely. The feral humans have no purpose in their lives which is poverty of the spirit and the very worst form of poverty.
“Now. How to stop it?” Just like radical Islam, if you refuse to recognize the problem, you can’t solve it. Everyone is hardwired for the emotions of sadness, joy, disgust, anger, surprise and fear. Those are the “primal” emotions. We must be taught humility, sympathy, compassion, forgiveness, shame, cooperation, optimism, patience, gratitude and empathy. It is the primary caregiver’s job to model and teach the learned emotions which lead to reliable and positive relationships. Those who grow up in stressful/tension-laden environments often show deficiencies in thinking skills, social judgment, attention, motivation, reliability, effort, etc. They are not emotional skills; they learn to react in very limiting primal ways.
So, littlelettermikey, the fascist what to do? Send them more money, more money, more money?
Maybe the government should unleash proper parenting social engineers on them and should grab the kids from the mommas on the social-justice wrong track. Honestly, littlelettermikey, the fascist, have you and Hillary actually designed the statist village that it takes to raise a child according to your outcome expectations?
We are talking, generally speaking, about the bottom 15-20% of children. You think we can spend them into a better life. You Progressives also think we can kill them off at Planned Parenthood, thus lessening the problem. What you don’t seem to have a stomach for is dealing sensibly with facts. If you really cared about this eternal problem in a true socialist way, you would round the kids up and concentrate on their pathologies in institutions dedicated to ameliorating their deficiencies, asocial proclivities and pathologies. But that would require you to take ownership for the problems they cause and that messes with your Neanderthal concept of “equality.”
(Sorry for breaking into the flow comments, but I just had to say this.)
Heliotrope, thank you very much for posting what you posted above. It is, life altering.
C. S Lewis wrote in Mere Christianity:
“People often think of Christian morality as a kind of bargain in which God says, ‘If you keep a lot of rules I’ll reward you, and if you don’t I’ll do the other thing.’ I do not think that is the best way of looking at it.”
“I would much rather say that every time you make a choice you are turning the central part of you, the part of you that chooses, into something a little different from what it was before. And taking your life as a whole, with all your innumerable choices, all your life long you are slowly turning this central thing either into a heavenly creature or into a hellish creature…Each of us at each moment is progressing to the one state or the other.”
@ Steve, would consider yourself a paleolibertarian?
Single motherhood is definitely a factor here. Read up on the studies done regarding single motherhood and boys. And in the hood, single moms are pretty much the norm.
It’s not even in ‘the hood’ anymore. A family friend has a now mid-twentysomething son who is the mixed-race [what was once called ‘mulatto’] product of herself and her black ex-husband. So far, at last count, he is the baby daddy to three different mothers. At least one of the bearers of his children wanted to have his baby because he’s so fine, in the common parlance. This is happening in the largely rural part of Flyover Country. Morality aside, there is no thought about the consequences of these actions—economic, social, or psychological. It’s not much different than the Third World countries where children are seen as a sign of wealth, even in areas of extreme poverty.
What’s your point #32?