A Texas Democrat wants to fine men for masturbating, and require them to be anally probed before vasectomies. Not because there is any scientific or medical reason to do so, but because she’s an insane bint who wants to draw some deranged moral equivalence between spewing man-juice into a Kleenex tissue and dismembering a living, breathing creature with a heartbeat and vital organs.
And rather than just making her stupid “satirical” point via an editorial or something, she’s actually propounding this nonsense in the legislature as an asinine publicity stunt. But that seems to be all that Democrats have left these days. No ideas. No solutions. Just pointless gestures of “resistance.” They’re all Ashley Judd now, and they keep telling themselves how cool they are.
Trump and the Republicans may be continuously tripping over their own nut snacks, but at least they are taking on actual challenges like health care, border security, and economic reform.
It’s just plain scary how slippery the slope she creates is with this false moral equivalency. Her “we need to conserve procreative fluids” argument can be used to justify all sorts of regressive laws that the socially backward leftist allies would gladly embrace for their own reasons (as Professor Kirke in The Lion, The Witch, and the Wardrobe said, “…bless me, what do they teach them at these schools!”):
1) Anti-sodomy laws
2) Men must wear special underwear to collect nocturnal emissions
3) Women must go to a facility for egg harvesting once a month (wouldn’t be in the house during that time – note that this is the actual moral equivalence to her bill)
Those are the ones that come to mind but I’m sure there are plenty of others (have fun!). Of course, though, the gay identitarians will still celebrate her being a “heroine” because “patriarchy”.
Oh, and one more fun law – ban all contraception! This would naturally lead to adoption of abstinence-only sex ed since showing kids what these other unavailable methods are would just hurt their precious psyches. I’m sure her side of the aisle would love all that!
Satire…
“if there’s going to be an emission, it would have to be done in a hospital where the semen could be preserved for future pregnancies or it would be directly deposited into the vagina of a woman.”
Let’s see, each man is capable of several emissions a day, and each pre-menopausal woman is capable of one full-term pregnancy every nine months… How exactly are the numbers going to work here?
And then there’s the larger issue of sperm cells being not at all equal to a living being with a heartbeat, a brain, and vital organs, as you say.
Shame it’d be a waste to cum in her face, but we already knew that.
Great idea! Stop people from masturbating! In that case, we need to mandate clitoridectomies on our infant daughters to discourage them from playing with themselves. That’s how this works, right?
The birthrate in the Western world is below population replacement levels.
So what?
It means the Western nations are dying and the workforce necessary to pay for socialism is not coming from within. Therefore, wooers must be imported.
In times past, we absorbed immigrants who, in time, came to value the ideas and ideals of the country.
Socialism is never a reachable goal until 100% socialism is in place. And no one knows what that looks like, because no socialist entity has ever come close to reaching that level.
Socialism is the “human mind and human engineering at its best.” There is no room for any annoying God or religion based morality. The state is “god” and the people automatically, universally and wholeheartedly exist solely for the benefit of each other.
Muslims are not going to behave this way. First of all, they populate like mice. Secondly, they look at socialists as being totally crazy wimps who have no particular sense of reason for being except to take up space until they die.
Birthrates in India are down to 2.5, in Japan to 1.41 and in the US to 1.88. In 1960, birthrates in India were nearly 6, In Japan, nearly 2, and in the US it was 3.8. Industrialized nations have low mortality rates and the “replacement birth rate” to maintain the population level is 2.
Our millennials are not marrying or having children at a rate to sustain the 1.8 level in the US, let alone get us back to the 2. level.
Rep. Steve King of Iowa (R.) stirred up a crapstorm on Sunday when he stated that Geert Wilders “understands that culture and demographics are our destiny. We can’t restore our civilization with someone else’s babies. (…) This is an effort on the left, I think, to break down the American civilization, the American culture and turn it into something entirely different. I am a champion of Western civilization.” The AP prints this “fact” statement in reporting the above: “King is known for his racially charged commentary.”
I wholeheartedly agree with King and I know precisely what he is talking about and I have no concerns about his facts or his predictions. He did amend his remarks to say that we Americans could also adopt babies from anywhere in the world and raise them with American values so that skin color and DNA do not enter into the issue of what it means to be American.
When idiot socialists sit around trying to dream up yet more ways for the government to herd the sheeple, we are doomed. Those people have “0” principles or value system. If socialism were capable of self perpetuation its mechanisms would make scientific sense. You could measure all of the components, create algorithms, and set the perpetual motion machinery of socialism to ticking. However, it would only work if “human nature” and especially “free will” were eliminated.
And there is the rub in a nutshell: “free will.” Socialism ignores ithe powers of free will. True religion deals with self control, responsibility, guilt, faith, honesty, integrity, kindness, prudence, courage, justice, temperance, charity, compassion, trust, caring, commitment, respect, tolerance, orderliness,, cooperation, loyalty, patience, honor, excellence, forgiveness and much more.
Take that list of “virtues” and apply it to not only socialism, but to that stupid Texas Democrat who wants to fine men for masturbating, and require them to be anally probed before vasectomies.
This Texas legislator/dictator is being amoral in every practical sense. Society does not know what is good for itself, it must be led to perfection by those who “know” and ordered and organized and prodded and pushed and pulled into designated roles.
This is exactly what civilizational rot looks like.
This woman is just as moronic as her counterpart protester standing around with a sign with a dour & important look on her face, as if to give the protest value. Except, that it’s just another apples & oranges comparison. If these people are going to make a point, they do themselves a disfavor with flawed logic or object lessons. She would have achieved the same amount of buzz if she’d publicly vomited into a bucket & then turned her vile spigot [mouth] on high to issue her self-righteous implication of hypocrisy. With the Left now, it’s all about one-upmanship. Who can be the next to get out of the clown car first & play to the Democrat Media Complex. None of it matters, their points are irrelevant & everyone snickers at them in private or whisper to each other how badly that retarded mime stinks. At least, her federal level counterpart entertainers wear lipstick, giving some sort of weight to their cartwheels. It’s all performance art & we’re all paying for it!
Which begs the question, are Millenial women salvageable?
http://captaincapitalism.blogspot.com/2017/03/are-millennial-women-salvageable.html
I agree. And the irony in the satire of the satire (of the satire) … Extremely meta.
The pro-life argument is that the union of sperm and egg results in the creation of a new life, not that sperm and eggs are themselves human lives. Even leftists think that she’s drawing a false equivalence.
And I love how Vince keeps trying to say he’s not liberal, but keeps talking like one. If it quacks like a duck… it’s a hawk? Sure Vince, and the sun rises in the West.
I have never said on GP, “I’m not liberal.” If I have, then please provide the link, or STFU and stop speaking out of your @ss.
I’ve stated several times that I’m not a far leftist (people on this blog tend to conflate the two, even throwing in centrist conservatives occasionally). I’m quite centrist, but lean to the left. My politics are pretty middle-of-the-road with a liberal bent. When I first started posting on GP seven years ago back in the Obama admin, indeed, I came here being extremely liberal with the intent to learn more about conservative viewpoints, as I shared a few beliefs and had long-standing interests in fiscal efficiency and government transparency. It took me a few years to realise/understand the anger and disgruntlement people on the right felt towards the left’s superiority complex, and self-righteousness. But, if I’m being honest, I got caught up here in the more social-issues-geared topics and picked a lot of battles (i.e. the inanity behind those who wanted to defend or remain indifferent towards DADT, anti-gay marriage, etc, all for the sake of not aligning oneself in anything remotely liberal). While there were elements of conservatism that interested me, I was quite shocked at how backwards many people thought about matters that I was very passionate about (and opposed them on), and rolled with that. That has somehow made me a troll. But, considering how extreme some people here, yet consider themselves rationale, reasonable, and correct, one really shouldn’t be surprised.
This is me being honest. But, I doubt you can handle it. You’re too far gone based on your comments. Keep quacking out your GP talking points. You have a strong safe space echo chamber support system here. No one here is going to call you out on your sh!t.
@7 – Helio… the mess in the EU was started with importing baby-makers in order to shore up collapsing welfare programs. If there’s one thing We The People know how to do, it’s promise ourselves things in the future that someone else has to pay for. The unborn are ideal marks given that they’re not around to decline the honor.
Seeing as how predicting the future is impossible, they (and we) failed to see falling demand for labor, falling wages, and the the impact of policy that discourages family formation (falling birthrates). (I’m being charitable: we and our leaders saw and decided to not pay attention.)
And, of course, there’s the magical thinking (on the left and the right) that people and cultures are interchangeable cogs with differences between the native population and between the imported peoples being of no more significance that the choice of ice cream at Baskin-Robbins.
What King said is exactly right but politically incorrect (PC is a war on noticing – Steve Sailer).
Also notable was Jason Chaffetz noting that it might be time that people make a choice between iPhones and healthcare. Of course, seeing as that’s also a hate-fact, he’s since walked it back. This is why entitlements will capsize the boat: be it tax subsidies for Amazon or telling people that they may need to keep their iPhone a couple more years to pay for their health-care, there’s no keeping people out of the trough.
SeanL – I don’t think “liberal” properly describes the left. Today’s left is anything but liberal.
Today’s lefties have a totalitarian streak with a healthy dose of street-fascism.
Mark Steyn remarked yesterday, re the uproar over a Charles Murray talk at some college, that people who assault teachers escorting an invited speaker at a college are the fascists.
The college administrators that let this crap stand… well, I have no polite words to describe what I think of them.
Your posts in general speak pretty well overall about how well you articulate your “views.”
Wow. Vince… who never defends any Republican or conservative… insists he’s not a Leftist. Dude, hate to break it to you, but you’re so partisan that Stalin thinks you’re nuts.
Though it’s infrequent, it happens. Some of Scott Walker’s decisions a few years back. And I considered at some time voting for Jon Huntsman. Years ago, I even defended some arguments against Ron Paul. I made positive comments about all three of these guys on GP at one point. And more recently, back in November, I was receptive to some of Trump’s cabinet picks.
But, per usual, someone on GP makes a blanket statement about someone based on their own imagination. Please continue thinking I’m on the extreme left, though. This is the environment that is safe for you to do so, and coddles your delusions. Hate to break it to you, dude.
KCRob @ #13 …. I agree wholeheartedly with your analysis that the US is a past master of living off the dime of “our posterity” as if they have some sort of eternal obligation to pay for our idiocy.
I also wish to thank you for taking the time to consider my ramblings. Sometimes I wonder if I am just talking to the wall or, even worse, babbling incoherently in a state of senility.
We really do not seem to have any appreciation of our strengths. It seems to me that we are so absorbed in how easy it is to communicate that we have forgotten the art of communicating something of substance.
Thank you for noticing my concerns.
I would hazard to guess that everyone reads Heliotrope’s comments. I can tell from reading the temperature of subsequent comments. Whether they address the same nuance or not.
It has been around similar levels for the last forty years. The U.S. birthrate in the last forty-six years alone has never been as high as it was in 1971. While we’re on the first major decline since the 1990s, the biggest drop-off was in 2010.
Then why is the birthrate dropping in most (all?) Muslim-majority countries?
The “point” of this showboating legislation is rooted in the view that abortion is an integral component of women’s health care.
And based on this assumption, the bill’s author is playing tu quoque – that is, she’s saying that if legislators want to “interfere” with “women’s health”, then why not have other legislation that will interfere with “men’s health”.
And by this attempt at reductio ad absurdum she’s trying to ridicule attempts to restrict abortion (under the rubric of “women’s health) as being comparable with outlandish restriction on medical procedures that would be limited to men only.
And by trying to set up this false equivalence, it’s an attempt to ignore/evade the whole issue of the rights and/or personhood of the unborn child by reframing the abortion issue as an attack on women’s health.
This argument has circulated among abortion advocates for years; it just perhaps has not actually gone to the point of a legislator actually submitting legislation (or else not getting publicity for such a stunt).
This really goes to the heart of the problem. Liberal points of view are everywhere. A typical conservative could tell you what they believe. A liberal has to work to find a conservative viewpoint, so they don’t. Hence stunts like this, that not only waste time, they basically broadcast that liberals don’t even know what the argument is.
CrayCray,
I think you have got your “cause and effect” coinkydinks leading you astray.
The Western world has long had a population replacement problem which means that with lower death rates, the costly elderly citizens become major consumers of health care and services oriented toward the elderly. They also stop building houses, shopping for “stuff” and so forth.
In Europe, they imported Turks and Algerians in particular to fill in the labor force. That started in the 1960’s. We have had Mexican migrants to pick crops since WWII.
Yes, some Muslim countries are seeing their Muslim birth rates declining, but the magic number in third world countries is 2.75 children per couple. Due to infant mortality and adults having shorter life spans, it takes nearly three children to replace mom and pop and have a stagnant growth rate.
The birth rate is calculated on the births per woman. Muslim men are not fastidious about having just one woman germinating his seed. So when you look at Muslim statistics, you soon discover they are miscalculated due to the assumption of monogamy. The statisticians in Muslim countries are not able to accurately know how many wives a man may have. He may not have ever bothered to figure it out for himself. Those pictures you see of men praying with the women in the back of the mosque tell the tale. If he had his wives on prayer mats beside him, the face of male-dominated Islam would be quite different.
The point is that the reason the Chamber of Commerce is so adamant about more immigration, more immigration, more immigration is so that you can have your chicken plucked, your leaves raked, your restaurant dishes washed, your bicycle riding pizza delivery in the city, your windows washed, and your hotel room kept in order.
We don’t have welfare people who will take the risk of giving up what is essentially $20+ per hour for not working. Sure they engage in the underground economy, but the minute they show up to be a hotel maid, their own Social Security Number throws them into entitlement problems.
Undocumented workers are courted by certain industries and wooed by the DemonizingRats as voting peons who give them sanctuary in exchange for supporting the DemonizingRats.
You should have figured this out by now. Why do you suppose all those folks are so enthusiastic about the DemonizingRats?
Oh, sorry. I thought statisticians in Muslim countries would calculate the birthrate the same way they do in Western Countries. My bad.
Cray, Cray,
Crude Birth Rate has no bearing on the status of the women. It is the number of live births tabulated in a defined geographical region. Depending on the region, it is often estimated because the number of births is not actually knowable due to isolation or lack of effort to keep accurate statistics. China, for instance, has an “estimated” population of 1,386,459,170. That would seem to be an exact number. But it is the “accepted” U.N. estimate. There are other best guess estimates that put nearly 750 million Chinese in a probable/possible “ghost population.” That is a population more than twice the size of the U. S. population that may or may not exist in China. The top smartest 10% of that ghost population would equal the population of Germany. All that is just for perspective.
When demographers say that Muslim population trends are declining, they are correct for the developed Muslim countries. But they are stuck with guessing in the less developed reaches of the world. Radical Islam promotes baby making. If you go to Muslim enclaves in France, Germany, The Netherlands, Sweden, etc. you will see babies and kids everywhere. That is in stark contrast to the native population around them.
The global birth rate among Muslim women is the highest in the world. But it is skewed to the “conservative” counting as it is also largely represented by estimates, rather than statistics. There is, however, a trend within the more educated Muslim world for much lower birth rates. Enough so, that none other than Mark Steyn has written that the Muslim world will collapse within itself from population decline in about fifty years.
Anecdotal evidence is not used in estimating populations. But it really can’t be ignored. In 2015, 5.1 babies were born in the European Union and 5.2 million people died. That is the first time in modern history that what comprises the European Union had negative growth. However, the total population increased from 508.3 million to 510.1 million. The declining birthrate of native Europeans takes place as the institutionalization of Islam and the “re-Islamization of its Muslims also takes place.
Muslim poverty is something to behold. Babies and children everywhere. Those kids will be sorted out in madrases and radicalized by imams and thrown into the intricate Caste system of the Quran: 4:34 SHAKIR – “Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.”
In other words, 1/2 of the Muslim world is obedient to the half with a penis. How does that work with your concept of “civilization.” Oh, and I might add, the homosexual is not part of the dominating Caste.
Generally speaking, the “Dark Ages” ran from 476 to around 800 a.d. Islam begins in 610 and spreads to the Battle of Tours in 732 a.d. Then, in 765, a division between the Twelvers and the Seveners divides the Shi’ites and then by 1100, the Christian Crusaders are actively driving the Muslims out of Jerusalem. In 1492, Ferdinand and Isabella drove Islam out of Spain after 781 years of rule. On September 11, 1683, Jan III Sobieski, King of Poland counterattacked the armies of the Grand Vizier Pasha Kara Mustafa at the gates of Vienna. Within three hours, Jan III Sobieski bulldozed through the Turkish line and then the Vienna army chased the Turks who fled without their provisions, slaves, weapons and provisions. In 1684, Pasha Kara Mustafa was executed by the Ottomans in Belgrade for his failures and the Ottoman Caliphate in Europe. Belgrade remained in the Ottoman Empire until they abandoned it to the Serbs in c. 1830.
Understand, please, that Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria and what we knew as Yugoslavia entirely missed the Renaissance and the enlightenment and the growth of the university system because of being locked away in the dense fog of Islam. The influence of the Catholic church and the rise of Protestantism completely missed these countries even the middle ages had left scant evidence of its influence, particularly in methods of building and ornamentation.
Islam will have to go to war with itself sooner or later, but it is not constructed to coexist as an equal partner.
#26, A damning & spot on essay on the matter. An unassailable indictment of a dead civilization with people still extant.
Note that because we are more & more dependent upon robotics, we in the West actually do NOT need a 100% replacement or replenishment of population. We can actually benefit from a drop in numbers.
The joke is on us.
Hanover @ #27: I have little doubt that there are plenty of brilliant minds in the Middle East and always have been. However, nothing whatsoever has come out of Islam which has changed the course of civilizations throughout the world for the better. To welcome Islam into coexistence on the basis of diversity is pure folly. Show me where Islam welcomes coexistence into its controlled areas in the name of diversity and coexistence.
The first printing press appeared in the Ottoman at the late date of 1727, imported by a Hungarian convert, and by 1815 a measly 63 titles had been published. In spite of a fashion of “Orientalism” in Europe, precious little actually came out of the Muslim world.
So, what of great value can all the geniuses near and far of today point out as coming to the world from the heart of Islam?