An interesting question from pawfurbehr:
What do you think the future will be for gays 20-30 years from now?
I think part of the answer to that will depend on how much success the Left has with their project of importing millions and millions of Islamic Supremacists into Western countries for purposes of Demographic Realignment.
But, that aside, I think it would be nice if gay culture just went away. If gays could just melt into the societal mainstream and abandon the tribalism and identify politics.
What do you think?
I think both of your responses are spot on.
My Aunt Eleanor never admitted she was gay. Everybody in the family knew but never mentioned it because it was none of our business. She lived a long and exciting life because she didn’t care what others thought. She didn’t flaunt it, never demanded her “rights”, and only answered to God. I know HE blessed her.
V the K, I like your answer, and believe you to be correct on both counts. In addition, Robin, that is how I live my life as well. I never have and never will have understood why anyone should believe that their entire existence depends upon everyone accepting where a person puts his or her genitals in relation to another person.
I don’t think the gay community will ever stop being truly tribal; humans are kind of hard-wired to be tribal, after all. You look at ethnic groups in cities, and they tend to gather in conclaves when the majority does not reflect their background. In rural settings, ethnic identity fades unless members of the same ethnicity found a settlement together. In suburbia, ethnic identity is typically subsumed into generic suburban life, with proximity to the city allowing one to experience time with “their own kind” and then returning home to resume their “normal” life.
So I don’t think this sense of gay identity will ever really fade away, particularly in cities, where gays gather in droves, and the concept of the “gayborhood” may be slow to fade. In rural areas, there is less likely to be an effort to live a “gay” lifestyle outside of seeking sexual and romantic partners, and perhaps the occasional trip to a gay-themed social (gay rodeos, etc.). Suburban gays will probably conform to the flavor of their neighbors, but supplement it with drives into the city every now and again to go to the bars and clubs.
Politically, I think there is a decent chance that the gay community will have a political divorce from the Democrats. We saw rainbow Gadsden flag stickers show up in the Castro and gay conclaves across the country after the Pulse Massacre. If the Democrats continue to be successful in importing Muslims into the country, and attacks on the gay community by these Muslims increase, many gays will start wondering if a Democrat alliance that will win them petty victories in the culture war against the Christians but frequent targeting by Muslims is really more preferable than some sort of compromise with the Christians and protection from the Muslims under the Republicans.
A more libertarian “Stay out of my business and I’ll stay out of yours; don’t criticize my decisions and I won’t criticize yours” attitude would be nice. Right now, it seems like a lot of gay people relish the chance to be the bejeweled vanguard of an ever-growing government.
I think there’s a division within the gay community right now. There’s the stereotypical rainbow warriors and then theres the regular guys who aren’t into that. The regular gayd usually reject the rainbow flag, pride marches, and will have a better time blending into mainstream society. I, myself, am one of those regular guys.
@ Pawfurbehr: The university town I live in has a small gay bar. Apart from the rainbow flag inside the entrance, it looks like a small Irish pub. There definitely seems to be a trend among gay bars to become more “normal,” and the straight bars around town are quite gay-friendly. Still, it’s nice to have a place where I can flirt with the bartender and have it reciprocated. Though if using the brand of beer on his t-shirt isn’t the straightest gay flirting I’ve ever heard of, I don’t know what is. XD
I watched the gay environmental protest in front of Ivanka Trump’s house. It was a cavalcade of perverts like the last days of Caligula. It’s like when the feminists dress up as vaginas. I can’t respect anything they have to say. I don’t hate homosexuality. I just can’t figure out why so many leftist gays turn into flaming weirdos. I’m ready for that to go away permanently.
Both economic collapse (going Weimar/Zimbabwe/Argentina), CME/EMP, & 3rd world refusegee invasion all have Tranny cannibal rape biker gangs as a significant possibility 20-30 years from now.
The thing to keep in mind about the future is that “Its not that freedom is bad but only whites think it’s rad”, if we keep importing the 3rd world into every white nation there will be no 1st world nations to flee to.
I believe gay bars are trying to look more normal to drive away the fag hags.
As a gay man, I long for the day when “gay culture just [goes] away. [When] gays [can] just melt into the societal mainstream and abandon the tribalism and identi[t]y politics.”
When I first came out in 1996 at age 23, I was into the ‘out and proud’ aspect of it all. I had the rainbow flag on my car. I even rode in a couple of Pride parades, albeit on my evangelical pentecostal church’s float. (Yes, there are churches by gays for gays but welcoming to heteros.) I fully embraced all things rainbow. I was never liberal, however, owing largely to my faith. Nor was I politically involved, active, or even knowledgeable for that matter.
Though I grew to understand that participation in politics is a necessary evil, I have never understood the outright obsession (political and otherwise) the Left has with what I do with my genitals and with whom I do it. What I do in my bedroom concerns only me and the consenting adult/adults I have chained to my headboard. 😛 I leave my politics out of my bedroom so why should I bring my bedroom into my politics
Political/governmental concern with my bedroom begins AND ends with whether the person I am touching with my genitals, or whose genitals I am touching, is over 18 and consenting. Period!
As far as what I think the future will look like for gays in 20-30 years depends largely on whether we stop importing adherents to the world’s most violent deathcult: Islam (pronounced ter-uh-rizm).
The interesting effect of having state-wide gay rights here in NJ for decades now has been the death of the gay bar. There’s like three left in the entire state! Now you can go drinking, dining and hang-out in any bar with your gay, straight or mixed friends — and your business is welcome– but it does make it more difficult to meet other gay people.
And guys are more hetero- and homo-flexible. It’s more fluid — like the old, “…is he gay, or British?” Cute stud at the gym with the shaved crotch and three jars of “product”? — probably straight.
The Gay Left will continue to blaming Christians and Conservatives for their plight even as the Islamists are putting the nooses around their necks or readying them to be tossed off a building.
As Sean writes @4, people are hard-wired to belong to a tribe (which helps explain native Europeans that “revert” to Islam since the west does little to furnish people with an identity).
Gay identity politics will hang on as long as it pays.
“The interesting effect of having state-wide gay rights here in NJ for decades now has been the death of the gay bar. There’s like three left in the entire state!”
Well, in all fairness, Ted, if you’re from NJ and you want a gay bar/club experience, you can take the train and explore the gayborhood in NYC.
@ 13, I’ve been trying desperately to escape from the gay identity politics. So far, I believe that I have but sometimes I can’t but feel isolated from most of the LGBT community. However, at least I have my sanity.
#14; Not all of NJ is “Bridge and Tunnel” to NYC, despite the impression left by television and New Yorker magazine.
I live in Southern New Jersey, NYC is a far and distant place not casually-visited at-all. Door-to-door, I could probably drive all the way to DC in less time. Even Philly is far enough away, and if your familiar with it’s lack of a healthy gay social scene, not worth the trip, time and expense.
When I was in college, nearby Trenton had 4 gay bars and two dance clubs, all gone, The NJ suburbs of Philly had three clubs, gone for decades. Nearby New Hope PA-Lamberton NJ (an hour away), it used to have 5 bars and two dance clubs, now just one bar struggles to survive.
The Atlantic City bars are gone. Gay-popular Asbury Park-Belmar at the Shore has just one dance club left, and it’s only in the summer. Gay-friendly Wildwood and Cape May have none. Central NJ only has the Den in New Brunswick near Rutgers, and the one bar in Northern NJ is in Boontown up by I-80 and the GW Bridge. In a larger regional arc; only one of the 5 Allentown-Bethlehem-Easton bars is left. The two Reading PA bars are long-shuttered. The two bars in Wilmington Delaware and the Dover bar are gone, and only gay-resort Rehoboth remains.
That’s basically the NE Corridor from Baltimore to NYC.
Sometimes, I feel like going to a bar/event that’s packed with gay men. Not often. But every now and again.
More fun from North Carolina
http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/328378-north-carolina-bill-looks-to-ban-gay-marriage
These days it’s hard to tell apart the gay and straight men
While I consider myself a ex-Catholic I find the Church a lesser threat by far than I do of Islam. Though if I have to learn about Christian persecution in the Middle East and Africa from sources other than the Churches themselves- what good are Christian leaders? Why hasn’t Pope Francis condemned the war on Christianity by Islam? Also, if I’m beaten in the street by a Muslim- how serious will the authorities take it? How serious do European authorities take it when Jews are assaulted on the streets- especially in areas where the police fear to go? I consider my rights as a homo will increasingly be seen as negotiable when it comes to the powers that be that prefer appeasement to the possibility of riots and terrorism of the ‘aggrieved’.
I really don’t know what will happen. I’ve been wrong on how far gay rights would advance in my lifetime, so… Personally, I do agree that some measure of “gay culture” or identity will still be around but would like to see them de-politicized. This may have helped advance gay rights to some extent, but has gone far overboard. Enough already.