V just nailed it, in another post:
“Those ignorant bitter-clinger hicks in flyover rust belt states hate women and are so stupid they fell for Russia’s tricks,” is the essence of [the Left’s explanation for the 2016 election].
In other words, saying “Russia hacked our election”…
- …is an insult – to the American people. That’s one thing wrong with it. But, there’s more.
- No one ever disputes that the DNC and Podesta e-mails that came out, were genuine. In other words: the hacking/leaking gave the voters true and relevant information about a major candidate’s wrong-doing and shady dealings.
When I was a kid, we had the original “-gate” scandal. It was this thing called Watergate. One of Watergate’s lessons, supposedly, was that if a major politician is up to no good, it doesn’t matter how the information comes out. It’s only important that it comes out. So that the voters will know.
Whoever leaked the DNC and Podesta emails didn’t “attack” or “harm” or “undermine” our democracy. They enhanced it. *Because* the information was 100% true and relevant in this case, the hackers/leakers did our democracy a big favor. Whoever they were.
- And, if we are supposed to worry about interference in our elections/democracy, then…
- What about Hillary’s dependence on Saudi Arabian money? Saudi Arabia is one of the most anti-gay and anti-woman countries on Earth. Can we talk about how Saudi Arabia has hacked our democracy?
- Why don’t we talk about Bill and Hillary hacking our democracy, with their massive pay-for-play corruption and scandals? Or Hillary’s cheating in the debates? (part of what the e-mails exposed)
- Why don’t we talk about the Controlled Media hacking our democracy, with their tyranny of Fake News?
Remember the endless drumbeat about how Hillary is up in the polls, Hillary has it locked, Hillary is 95% sure to win. All that was Fake News intended to depress non-Hillary voters. That is: To suppress voter turnout!
Hey, why don’t we talk about the known, active collusion in 2016 between the Controlled Media and Hillary campaign operatives?
- Why don’t we talk about George Soros and the Left hacking our democracy, with all their paid/staged protests, violence, trolls and astro-turfing?
- Why don’t we talk about U.S. interference in other countries’ elections? The CIA has interfered in German media and every German election since the end of World War II. Is Angela Merkel, then, illegitimate?
- Last but not least, let’s cover the reasons why Russia could easily NOT have had any part in the DNC or Podesta e-mail hacking/leaking.
- The evidence that it was Russia was always shaky, and still is.
- Wikileaks says flat-out that their source wasn’t anyone connected to the Russian government.
In 10 years, they’ve always published real stuff and been fairly truthful. So, I’m not going to ignore their story.
- Julian Assange has implied that his source was Seth Rich, a murdered DNC insider.
Of course I’d feel better if Assange would say it outright; but I can understand his reluctance. (Don’t mess with an ongoing police investigation, don’t burden Rich’s family with publicity, etc.) Assange went pretty far, in implying it.
- Wikileaks VAULT 7. We now know that the CIA often hacks into things – whether for spying, or mischief, or setting up a long-range manipulation – and leaves Russian fingerprints deliberately to mislead people.
That means something. Sadly and from now on, it means we can never automatically believe the U.S. intelligence agencies when they say “Russia did it”, about any hacking episode, ever.
Anytime someone says to me “The intelligence agencies all say it was Russia”, I say “Whoa. Have you heard of Vault 7? the Umbrage group? the Marble program? Look it up. And know that all bets are off.”
If I missed another good reason, please add it in the comments.
Anytime I hear that a large, diverse groups is united on an issue, I am skeptical – all 17 intelligence agencies, 97% of climate scientists, etc; near unanimity in large groups that are not selected for agreement on that subject is at least suspect.
The Jewish courts in Jesus time had a rule that if a suspect was ruled unanimously guilty, he was let go because the ruling had to have been rigged.
Here is my take on “Russia Hacked Our Election”:
1) John Podesta fell for a phishing email. By anyone’s definition, that is not hacking.
2) Podesta’s password that was so ridiculously easy to discover, the phishing may not have been necessary.
3) If the emails revealed nothing but yoga lessons and wedding plans, there would be no story.
4) With the revelation that the CIA can make any intrusion look like Russia did it, not only does it cast doubt on whether they actually did, it becomes more likely they did not, as surely, the Russians are just as good at hiding their activities as the CIA is at faking them.
5) There is no evidence, whatsoever, and any of the emails revealed affected anyone’s vote.
6) There is no evidence, whatsoever, that Russia manipulated the actual voting process.
7) There is PLENTY of evidence, on the other hand, that Democrats manipulated the actual voting process in their favor.
8) We can conclude from 6 and 7 that Trump won the election in spite of, rather than because of, such manipulation.
9) The statement, “Russia hacked the election” is a gross inaccuracy, intended to give the impression that Russia changed votes when there is no evidence, whatsoever, of that, and, in fact, there is evidence that Democrats changed votes in their favor.
“Democrats hacked the election” is a far more accurate statement.
Did you hear about this winner?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/10/us/trump-manifesto-wisconsin-man.html?_r=0
You know the biggest hack in this election was the Democrat Party’s lying, corrupt, inauthentic, pandering, partisan, physically unwell, strident, shrew, unaccomplished, lazy, entitled, not very smart, pantsuit clad, cackling, candidate. The one who’s frequent flyer miles at the State Department were suppose to make her the most qualified person to be President ever! She was SO bad that her friends on Wall Street, foreign dictatorships, media and the entertainment system could not drag or push her lying, corrupt a** over the finish line!
Regarding the DNC/Podesta leaked emails, when your password is ‘password’, an 8 year old could hack your system. Just sayin.
Sorry to be off-topic but I hope you write about what’s going on in Chechnya and its gay population soon!!!
That may be true. but I believe the Russians hacked my lawnmower because it won’t start. I’m sure it doesn’t have anything to do with the fact that it was stored full of ethanol tainted gasoline.
As stupid as that sounds, that is what the democrats are saying about the election.
Question: Prior to November 9, 2016, do you ever recall hearing a Democrat badmouth Russia?
Well done!, ILC. Jonathan @#1 touches on the point I would add.
The slobbering, slavish media has fallen into a particular type of Fake News. They repeat a claim often enough until it takes on a familiar ring; then it becomes a “fact” in their arsenal.
For the DemonizingRat side, it is a “fact” that Russia hacked the DNC. It is also a “fact” that somehow this helped Trump get elected. It is also a “fact” that we can’t know just how Trump and Putin are best buddies until we get Trump’s tax returns. Also, it is a “fact” that Bannon is up to his eyebrows in this.
Victor Klemperer, in his book The Language of the Third Reich wrote about bizarre and improbable claims which were steeped in words and assertions which were misappropriated and had their common meanings twisted. New “facts” came out of the miasma and served to silence debate on important understandings. The phony “facts” were strategies of repeated propaganda meant to bulldoze the opposition by distraction and ridicule. This how the debate is framed to favor the controlling objective.
Look carefully at the House and Senate “investigations.” They have come way too close to discovering real facts and derailing the narrative of the DemonizingRats. As a consequence, a chorus of DemonizingRats is demanding a special prosecutor who will then be pilloried and blamed if he gets close to any “truth” which does not comport with the “established” “facts” the DemonizingRats have created.
It is all political theater full of sound and fury, reported by a compliant and complicit idiot media all leading away from the truth. Think: Arab Spring, Russian Reset, killing Qaddafi, Benghazi, Chris Stevens and arms for Syrian Rebels, Iran payoffs, Fast and Furious, The Dreamers, the flood of immigrants driven out of Guatemala and El Salvador by horrible conditions, Sanctuary cities, transgenered bathrooms rights, The Clinton Crime Foundation, Hillary’s bloodclot, spying on James Rosen and Sharyl Attkisson, ACORN, the Obama “stimulus” heist, Obamacare, Lois Lerner, Hillary’s secret server, Solyndra, Pigford, Recess appointments when Congress was in session, Clapper lies to Congress, and so much more.
It is Tucker Carlson and only Tucker Carlson who continually challenges the claim that the Russians hacked the DNC. Remember when Andrew Breitbart offered $100,000 for film showing the spitting and race-baiting of the Democrat blacks in front of the Capitol doing a PR show? Out of all those adoring fans, not one had thought to use his iPhone to video the historic occasion. Well, that is Tucker Carlson’s lone mission. Show just one piece of evidence that Russia hacked the DNC. All he gets is that 97% of intelligence officials believe by 110% that the Russians hacked the DNC and polar bears and global warming and Trump’s tax returns and Steve Bannon and children will die.
Meanwhile, the pundits line up and seriously pundit according to their standing in the Upper West Side cocktail party pecking order.
Before the election, Trump said the election was rigged and everyone in the media and politics blew up. But look at this evidence. Media on board shilling and cheating for Clinton. They were trying to rig the election. Evidence for the rigging is far more compelling than any fake hacking.
the only one that hacked our election was the democrat party-media complex. giving debate questions to Hillary. letting the dnc and Hillary ‘s campaign collude with people sending people to trump rallies to cause violence so they could accuse trump of causing the violence. submitting political articles to Hillary’s campaign for approval before printing them. never reporting on the violence committed against trump supporters by Bernie and Hillary supporters at numerous trump rallies. covering for Hillary in everyway they could on her misuse of handling classified documents on her private e-mail server. going to any lengths to dig up dirt on trump no matter how long ago or trivial but not do the same thing to Hillary. the democrat party-media complex is the greatest threat to the freedom of the American people in the history of this country.
It all depends on what the meaning of “hacked” is.
The lefties want people to think that the Russkies compromised election boards (voting machines, networks) changing vote totals.
I don’t think there’s any evidence to support that.
Given HRC’s home email server and Podesta’s p@ssword, I’d be surprised if the Russkies (Germans, Canadians, Aussies, Chinese…) weren’t keeping an eye on things.
The mainstream political media has all but dropped the “Russia made us vote for Trump” narrative, at least for now. All it took was a few missiles launched into Syria.
Makes one wonder who drives the editorial bus.