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Against ethnic identitarianism

First, let’s catch up on some lingo. Nathan Damigo, the guy who punched Moldylocks, founded something called “Identity Evropa” (meaning European). I visited the website and I did not find any statements that call for white supremacy; only for white/European identity.

Think of it this way. We have accepted identities such as African-American, Latino-American, Asian-American, Jewish-American, etc. In general, those identities don’t intend full-on Black or Latino or Asian or Jewish supremacy. They may sometimes achieve special privileges (for example, quotas or differing standards for the alleged races). But the majority of people holding to those identities don’t intend anything like a hard apartheid (or internment camps, etc.) for the other identities. In that sense, they usually aren’t “Black supremacists” or “Latino supremacists” or “Asian supremacists”, etc.

Damigo and company seem to be saying, we can get along with those identities but let’s have one for whites, too. They reject the term “white supremacists”. In the Rebel Media interview linked above, Damigo describes himself as a “white identitarian” and says that hysterical claims about his being a Nazi, a racist, etc. are just “anti-white hate speech” to shut down conversation.

It may sound almost reasonable until you remember that all identity politics are harmful. These guys are going in the exact wrong direction. They are doing a “Me, too” on racial identity politics. Like the others, they offer a cheap identity – “join the fraternity”, says their website. A San Diego Union-Tribune article says:

[As a Marine in Iraq, Damigo] saw firsthand the conflicts between the country’s ethnic and religious groups. “I said, ‘This is dumb. Why don’t … each one of them have their own country and they can all express themselves and … they’re not, you know, fighting with each other,” he told the Los Angeles Times in December.

In other words: Damigo might not want to harm or subjugate the other identities; but he thinks that both the Middle East and America should be even more ethnically-divided than they already are. Not good.

I believe in a melting-pot, American identity based on America’s founding principles of Human Freedom under Limited Government and the Rule of Law. Yes, the Left has pulled us all away from it with cheap, divisive identity politics. So let’s restore it.

When I come across identity-politics material of any kind (white, black or otherwise), the word “stupid” keeps popping into my head. I’ve been thinking about why that is. First, here is how I define the term. Interactions between 2 parties will have one of four outcomes.

  • I win, you win: That’s smart.
  • I win, you lose: That might be justice; if it’s not, then it’s predatory on my part, masochistic on your part.
  • I lose, you win: That might be justice; if it’s not, then it’s masochistic on my part, predatory on your part.
  • I lose, you lose: That’s just stupid.

With identity politics, everyone loses. Even the hucksters who gain financially from it are still losers – because they’re hucksters. If it’s stupid when Blacks or Asians or Latinos do it – and I’m afraid that it is – then it is equally stupid when whites do it.

All identitarians oversimplify their group’s history, and Identity Evropa is no exception. Their materials highlight Western civilization with majestic Greco-Roman-appearing figures next to slogans like “Let’s become great again”, “Serve your people”, “Discover who you are”, “Protect your heritage”. Fine. I like greatness and heroic art. But these guys seem unaware that Jesus was a Mediterranean Jew, and that the Greco-Roman civilizations (I dare not say “races”) were highly mixed, with a good deal of Mediterranean, Semitic (Phoenician), African and European heritage together.

They seem to forget that *culture is culture*. It isn’t about ethnicity, or tribe, or race, or genes, or color. It’s ideas; principles; the arts; laws and legal practices; philosophy; sciences; means of production and trade; food; ethics; things that can be adopted by anyone, of any ethnicity, at any time.

I am a Western supremacist. That is: I think that the Judeo-Christian-Greco-Roman-Lockean/Enlightenment civilization, while not perfect, is better than the others; it has the most elements from which an ideal civilization could be built. And I want to spread those good elements, by example and persuasion, to all ethnic groups (in America and the world).

It’s about the ideas/principles, and the individuals everywhere who may hold them. I couldn’t care less about the survival of *any* ethnicity as such. Ethnic identity is a sideshow, a rabbit hole where everyone loses, if we keep going down it.

And sorry Mr. Damigo, but if it does turn out that you’re one of those people who dwells on racial categories and uses them to pre-judge your fellow human beings: then yes, at that point you would be a racist. If you don’t want to wear that shoe, kindly make sure it never fits.

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22 Comments

  1. I agree entirely. We don’t need any more identity politics, period. Those who use such things to show the absurdity of it, fine. If you get serious, you are simply asking for trouble.

    The reason they identify white-identity with white supremacy is that blacks and other racial minorities feel they need it to maintain their cultural identity. They assume whites already have it. That’s why they laugh at the idea of a white history month and whites-only dorms which feeling okay about those things for any other race.

    Comment by Craig Smith — April 30, 2017 @ 5:43 am - April 30, 2017

  2. I like your concept of western civilization supremacy. While I understand the concern of “white identity ” groups, I believe it’s based on a flawed premise. They tend to believe genetics equals behavior.

    Comment by Matthew the Oilman — April 30, 2017 @ 8:30 am - April 30, 2017

  3. Identitarian politics only works in a homogeneous environment. When Europe was divided up into Britons, Franks, Lombards, Saxons, etc., people could get away with making appeals to ethnic identity and invoking the threat of outsiders because their societies were ethnically and culturally uniform. Nowadays, all identitarian politics accomplishes is to constantly point other groups and scream “Different!”, which only serves to exacerbate the social fault lines between these groups.

    While I do agree that Western Civilization is the superior civilization, I disagree that we should try to export it; or at least, that we should try to consciously impose it on other cultures. Japan is a weird exception that worked because of preexisting cultural mores and they still aren’t really Western; but trying to establish representative republics in the Middle East is a fool’s errand I fear. Rather, we should just continue indirect conversion: trade and media. More, “Ladies, don’t you wish you could wear a headscarf as a fashion statement and not as a matter of law?” and less, “You guys are totally going to love democracy!”

    Comment by Sean L — April 30, 2017 @ 8:54 am - April 30, 2017

  4. Jeff – my desire is that identity is erased… content of character and all that.

    The reality, however, is that this never seems to happen. Culture is the accumulated habits of a people. That’s why Mexico is Mexico; Venezuela is Venezuela; Sweden is was Sweden. There are places in the US (i.e. areas of LA) that look more and more like Tijuana (litter, barred windows) than they look like the LA of Adam-12 or the Brady Bunch. It’s not the magic dirt.

    Tribalism is human nature. I can hardly spell anthropologist but I can’t think of a successful multi-cultural society. Come to think of it, peaceful multi-racial societies seem rare (I can’t think of one off the top of my head).

    Given the innate desire of humans to belong to a group (clan?), identitarianism seems baked into the cake. We’re at the point where people make up identities (57+ genders) or pretend (the white woman that insists she’s black) to belong (and make a fast buck). Maybe the dissolution of the family has something to do with this in the west.

    Euro-identity (or white-identity) is a completely predictable reaction of the “normals” to the growing and increasingly shrill assertiveness of other identities.

    I tend to agree that peoples with irreconcilable grievances (stupid or otherwise) are better off on their own countries. Just because we don’t understand the beef Serbs have with Croats or Turks have with Kurds doesn’t make them go away. I don’t think I could tell the difference between a Hutu and a Tutsi but Hutus killed close to a million Tutsi so it doesn’t matter whether or not I can understand their beef or tell them apart.

    Shoot, even western whites hate each other’s guts: urban “sophisticates” loathe the unwashed masses of hillbilly hicks in flyover country and the sentiment is returned.

    https://www.city-journal.org/html/french-coming-apart-15125.html

    John Derbyshire once said that he has nothing against Islam; it’s an old religion that has brought comfort and purpose to millions for a long time. Islamic cultures also don’t play well with others. For that reason, best of luck to Muslims but Muslims should stay in one of the 50+ predominantly Muslim nations.

    Makes sense to me – and not just for religious identities.

    Comment by KCRob — April 30, 2017 @ 8:55 am - April 30, 2017

  5. I agree with you, but you’re way beside the point.

    Antifa is a conspiracy to use deadly force to suppress free speech/free expression protected by the First Amendment. Every antifa loser who comes out to join the crowd is intentionally assisting the people who commit acts of violence, by forming a crowd that they can hide inside. Their intention is to use violence to suppress lawful, peaceful First Amendment expression. They are all terrorists, every single one.

    Mr. Damigo wanted to go out and wave a flag, and maybe try to rally people to support his bad ideas. Antifa, including Moldylocks, conspired to use deadly force, including throwing rocks, bricks, hitting people with sticks, heavy metal bike locks, pulling them into crowds so they could be stomped on, and throwing M80-type explosives. Using violence to suppress free speech/free expression is, unsurprisingly, a violation of multiple important civil rights statutes.

    The City of Berkeley allowed Antifa to commit acts of terrorism and intimidation, by withdrawing police protection, which turned the city into a war zone. In a war zone, you don’t get nice folks (senior citizens, disabled, women, etc.). You get warriors.

    Berkeley made it impossible for most conservatives to come out and wave the flag, by making it too dangerous for anyone who wasn’t a warrior (or someone really talented and good-looking, like Laura Southern or Irma Hinojosa, who could attract a retinue of able-bodied, brave male defenders). That puts an undue burden on the exercise of free speech rights of elderly, disabled, women, etc. That’s not an accident. It was intentional. Berkeley’s mayor is in the By Any Means Necessary terrorist organization’s facebook group, exchanging messages with them about how to violate the law to suppress free speech. Because the City of Berkeley WANTS to suppress speech. Californians have an affirmative right to free speech under the California Constitution, Article I. Berkeley’s stand-down orders are at best misguided policies that are illegal because they put an undue burden on the exercise of free speech by seniors, disabled, women, etc.–and at worst, the City of Berkeley is a co-conspirator with Antifa and bears equal responsibility for the violence.

    So forgive me if I don’t give a shit about whether Mr. Damigo’s views are ill-founded. He came out and stood shoulder-to-shoulder with Kyle Chapman to defend our freedoms in the streets. He put his body the line, to defend our freedoms. He could have ended up sliced open by an Antifa knife attacker, like another man was that day. He could have been hit in the head with a metal bike lock (he wasn’t wearing a helmet, and Eric Clanton specifically targeted people not wearing helmets) or a brick, or a glass whiskey bottle (like the one Moldylocks was holding shortly before Mr. Damigo applied reasonable force to her face)

    For us to have free speech, we need to recognize the principle of viewpoint neutrality: that whether or not Mr. Damigo has bad ideas is of zero relevance to the question of whether he can come out and wave the flag.

    In fact, when you criticize his views, without mentioning the fact that he’s a bona fide HERO, that looks like you put more weight on being politically correct than on honoring the people who put their bodies on the line to prove that some Americans are worthy of the freedoms that belong to all of us, freedoms that belong to the worthy and unworthy alike, freedoms that belong to right-thinkers and wrong-thinkers alike.

    Comment by Daryl Herbert — April 30, 2017 @ 9:01 am - April 30, 2017

  6. http://www.cracked.com/article_14990_what-monkeysphere.html

    Comment by Juan — April 30, 2017 @ 9:09 am - April 30, 2017

  7. It’s unfortunate that people like Mr. Damigo are the only ones willing to punch back the violent left. If “good” people are unwilling to fight back against violent fascists, then only “bad” people will.

    Comment by V the K — April 30, 2017 @ 9:42 am - April 30, 2017

  8. e pluribus Unum vs. diversity is our strength.

    Comment by salg — April 30, 2017 @ 10:01 am - April 30, 2017

  9. Juan @ #6 provides a provocative read that is worth the visits.

    ILC writes:

    I believe in a melting-pot, American identity based on America’s founding principles of Human Freedom under Limited Government and the Rule of Law. Yes, the Left has pulled us all away from it with cheap, divisive identity politics. So let’s restore it.

    For me, that is the paramount, if not only, prescription.

    However, we have a nasty bit of reality wrapped up in shabby zoos which are euphemistically called Indian Reservations. We surrounded those tribes and we “invited” them to meld in the melting pot or live together in cultural stasis as honest-to-God civilization marched almost completely past them and left them in their dusty past hating reality.

    This Indian (Native American to you liberals) problem is replicating itself when Muslims go beyond their religion and demand that society incorporate their religious tenets, or at least look the other way. But with radical Islam, this is more than funky Mormon stuff or the Amish or the Seventh Day Adventists.

    ILC also notes:

    They seem to forget that *culture is culture*. It isn’t about ethnicity, or tribe, or race, or genes, or color. It’s ideas; principles; the arts; laws and legal practices; philosophy; sciences; means of production and trade; food; ethics; things that can be adopted by anyone, of any ethnicity, at any time.

    Maybe the idea is actually “National Culture” so that room is left for appreciating ethnic cultural mixing.

    Right now, I am overwhelmed by the people who demand to know what is going to be done “to” the 11 million illegal immigrants in our country. First, I don’t trust the number. Secondly, if these folks are hard working, self sustaining people who want to revoke their citizenship for US citizenship, there should be a pathway for them.

    But, that is xenophobic and cruel on my part according to every open borders person I have encountered. These lovely people hiding in the shadows are all huddled masses yearning to breathe free.

    We are so screwed up that some apologists go so far as to claim that rounding up the MS-13 filth is blatant discrimination.

    ILC’s post is a dream of common sense nationality. Common sense was attacked and shattered years ago when the foundational concept of equality was destroyed by Affirmative Action and the use of government to dole out special privileges. Once that floodgate was opened, who should expect anything other than boycotts over transgender bathrooms?

    We go onto the baseball or football fields and the games are played by strict rules. That is how laws are meant to be applied in a rule-of-law society. Frankly, after nearly 250 years, we should have figured out the basic laws. But, government has morphed far beyond the point of promoting an “ordered” society and gone eyebrow deep into socially engineering society.

    And with that, every Hottentot, every eskimo, every shari’a maven, every vagrant, every field mouse, every meadow puddle, every Truffula tree has more rights than a quiet neighborhood of industrious homeowners.

    Until Trump and successive Trumps cut the baloney out of government we will remain weighed down by government baloney. And “no matter how thick or thin you slice it, it is still baloney.” Socailism has been the downfall of every culture that it has touched. Not a single commune that was ever started in this country has withstood the test of time.

    Comment by Heliotrope — April 30, 2017 @ 10:16 am - April 30, 2017

  10. Unfortunately, some elements of the alt right pushes white identity politics.

    Comment by pawfurbehr — April 30, 2017 @ 10:44 am - April 30, 2017

  11. I incorporated this post with my “MOLYLOCK” post.

    Comment by Papa Giorgio — April 30, 2017 @ 11:41 am - April 30, 2017

  12. One Hundred years ago, President Theodore Roosevelt warned us about identity;

    What is true of creed is no less true of nationality. There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all. This is just as true of the man who puts “native” before the hyphen as of the man who puts German or Irish or English or French before the hyphen. Americanism is a matter of the spirit and of the soul. Our allegiance must be purely to the United States. We must unsparingly condemn any man who holds any other allegiance. But if he is heartily and singly loyal to this Republic, then no matter where he was born, he is just as good an American as any one else.

    The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English-Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian-Americans or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality, than with the other citizens of the American Republic. The men who do not become Americans and nothing else are hyphenated Americans; and there ought to be no room for them in this country. The man who calls himself an American citizen and who yet shows by his actions that he is primarily the citizen of a foreign land, plays a thoroughly mischievous part in the life of our body politic. He has no place here; and the sooner he returns to the land to which he feels his real heart-allegiance, the better it will be for every good American. There is no such thing as a hyphenated American who is a good American. The only man who is a good American is the man who is an American and nothing else.

    Comment by Ted B. (Charging Rhino) — April 30, 2017 @ 12:51 pm - April 30, 2017

  13. “people like Mr. Damigo are the only ones willing to punch back the violent left.”

    Not true. Kyle Chapman has given more than one speech denouncing White supremacism. The conservatives in Berkeley include blacks and “Latinos for Trump.”

    It would be nice if I could say, “Thanks Mr. Damigo, but your services aren’t needed, we aren’t in physical danger right now and I would rather quibble with your ideology” but the danger is real.

    Comment by Daryl Herbert — April 30, 2017 @ 2:29 pm - April 30, 2017

  14. They tend to believe genetics equals behavior.

    Ah yes, the old “born that way” argument.

    Comment by Craig Smith — April 30, 2017 @ 3:14 pm - April 30, 2017

  15. While I do agree that Western Civilization is the superior civilization…we should just continue indirect conversion: trade and media.

    Sean, agreed.

    Daryl Herbert – We largely agree. You can check out some of our other posts on GP, condemning Antifa and the Left. And you’ll notice that, in the present post, I did NOT criticize Nathan Damigo’s actions against Antifa/Moldylocks in the Berkeley riot.

    Indeed, I linked a video that presents his smiling face and a positive view (his own) of his actions. I do hesitate to call him a “hero” because we still might not know everything that happened. These assessments have a way of taking twists and turns as the latest new video surfaces.

    Juan – good one 😉

    V –

    If “good” people are unwilling to fight back against violent fascists, then only “bad” people will.

    Yeah, that’s a problem. I will probably attend “MILO’S FREE SPEECH WEEK” if/when that comes to Berkeley. But, as an aging non-fighter type of guy, I will wear nondescript clothing (no MAGA hat) and make damn sure that my Marine Corps nephew comes along.

    Everyone else – good points, thanks! Ted, great quote. PG, thanks for the hat tip.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — April 30, 2017 @ 3:56 pm - April 30, 2017

  16. Certain ethnic groups are officially considered oppressed, and members of those groups are eligible for privileges. As long as ethnicity can be redeemed for cash and prizes, there will be ethnic identitarianism.

    Women, blacks, gays, and Muslims have a great racket going, and, naturally, the SWM’s want in on it.

    The older I get, the more I understand the Michael Douglas character in “Falling Down.”

    Comment by Tom — April 30, 2017 @ 7:53 pm - April 30, 2017

  17. @ #12, Charging Rhino: I like the lengthy quote you chose, but here’s what anyone on the left would say: Teddy Roosevelt’s words are racist because he was a white male and only referred to Western-European hyphenates…and they are mysogynistic because he only uses male pronouns…white males of the past, present, or future can and will not ever win with these people…no matter what white men say or do, whether they are anti- or pro- them, white males are the cause of all that is evil in the world…as a white male who tries to live like everyone is the same and believes all people should live up to the same high standards of ethics its becoming very difficult to know what to do

    Comment by TAD — May 1, 2017 @ 12:14 am - May 1, 2017

  18. ‘Western civilization supremacy”

    Only western values create the golden eggs everyone else envies.

    You might not be interested in identify politics but it is interested in you. 2 books by a “feather not dot” Indian show how futile it is to accept the lefts premises, both free on kindle unlimited. https://www.amazon.com/SJWs-Always-Lie-Taking-Thought-ebook/dp/B014GMBUR4
    https://www.amazon.com/Cuckservative-How-Conservatives-Betrayed-America-ebook/dp/B018ZHHA52/ref=pd_sim_351_1/140-9429503-5961334?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=2NT3D2C2ZKX3KE8DDEGD

    Comment by Steve — May 1, 2017 @ 1:38 pm - May 1, 2017

  19. “things that can be adopted by anyone, of any ethnicity, at any time.”

    But they can’t. Some R style evolution people can’t be taught how to count above 3 even with months of training people of all ages that want to learn.
    http://www.slate.com/blogs/lexicon_valley/2013/10/16/piraha_cognitive_anumeracy_in_a_language_without_numbers.html

    Even more except for japan and those white nations within the Hajnal line every other culture celebrates corruption. Here is an account from Israel that explains why jews hate the founding fathers & boy scouts. https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2015/03/04/thou-shalt-not-be-a-freier/

    Comment by Steve — May 1, 2017 @ 1:56 pm - May 1, 2017

  20. “things that can be adopted by anyone, of any ethnicity, at any time.”

    But they can’t. Some R style evolution people can’t be taught how to count above 3 even with months of training people of all ages that want to learn.
    http://www.slate.com/blogs/lexicon_valley/2013/10/16/piraha_cognitive_anumeracy_in_a_language_without_numbers.html

    Even more except for japan and those white nations within the Hajnal line every other culture celebrates corruption. Here is an account from Israel that explains why jews hate the founding fathers & boy scouts. https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2015/03/04/thou-shalt-not-be-a-freier/

    Comment by Steve — May 1, 2017 @ 1:56 pm - May 1, 2017

  21. Our good friend Steve with words of wisdom.

    Comment by James — May 1, 2017 @ 5:47 pm - May 1, 2017

  22. Spencer comes off even more gay than Milo

    Comment by James — May 1, 2017 @ 8:41 pm - May 1, 2017

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