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The Swamp Strikes Back

Via HotAir: Yet another media football we are supposed to care about.

Former FBI Director Comey, who in 2016 usurped authority most improperly and to the advantage of one political party (their presidential candidate, Hillary Clinton, not being indicted), and who was justly fired last week, is dishing dirt on the man who fired him.

First, some key details:

“I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go,” Mr. Trump told Mr. Comey, according to [Comey’s account]. “He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go.”

Mr. Trump told Mr. Comey that Mr. Flynn had done nothing wrong, according to [Comey’s account]. Mr. Comey did not say anything to Mr. Trump about curtailing the investigation, replying only: “I agree he is a good guy.”

In a statement, the White House denied the version of events…

“While the president has repeatedly expressed his view that General Flynn is a decent man who served and protected our country, the president has never asked Mr. Comey or anyone else to end any investigation, including any investigation involving General Flynn,” the statement said. “The president has the utmost respect for our law enforcement agencies, and all investigations. This is not a truthful or accurate portrayal of the conversation between the president and Mr. Comey.”

…The Feb. 14 meeting took place just a day after Mr. Flynn was forced out of his job…

To review:

  • Even Comey agrees that former NSA Flynn is well-meaning and patriotic.
  • All the same, President Trump fired Flynn.
  • After he did that, and according to only one side of the story, Trump then wondered out loud why Flynn would still be a matter for investigation.

But this is what the New York Times put in the lede:

President Trump asked the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, to shut down the federal investigation into [Flynn]…

That’s taking sides, rather a lot.

I can see why Trump’s opponents think they’re onto something. POTUS should never discuss ongoing investigations with the FBI, lest their be any hint of improper influence. If Comey’s account is true, Trump made a mistake.

But that is no small “if”. Even apart from this incident, Comey has a recent track record of showboating, misunderstanding situations and improper behavior. And he was just fired. Narcissistic, Disgruntled And Disgraced Ex-Employee Dishing Whatever Dirt He Thinks He Has #1,499,503,777. Yawn, yawn, yawn.

The larger picture is this. President Trump wants to Drain The Swamp and Make America Great Again. That’s why half of America elected him. Also, the fact that Trump is an amateur politician, NOT a professional. People thought it would be refreshing.

The Swamp, naturally, doesn’t want to be drained. And it owns the Controlled Media: for example, it owns the New York Times via Carlos Slim, an immigration activist and Trump opponent (and alleged corrupt businessperson and/or drug lord). And so we’re treated to these accounts, which are then picked up by The Swamp’s many representatives in Congress.

There are going to be a lot of these kerfuffles to come. Trump is a sloppy, amateur politician. And The Swamp is determined to derail his reform agenda, by making a mountain of every mistake that they would gladly cover up for one of their own (Obama or Hillary).

In the end, either The Swamp will win, or Trump will. It’s out of my hands.

UPDATE: Mark Steyn (via commenter KCRob):

if this partially read memo is as the Times characterized it (“Comey Memo Says Trump Asked Him to End Flynn Investigation”), that would be a very serious matter. Comey had several options:

1) He could have reported Trump’s attempted interference to the Department of Justice (as he was obliged to do);

2) He could have disclosed it to the Senate Intelligence Committee chairman Richard Burr;

3) He could have resigned on principle.

Instead, he did nothing…

In other words: More Comey impropriety! Either the man or his story (at least) is belied by the fact that he did nothing at the time, except write a Note to Self.

UPDATE: Rush has a point: Whatever Trump is alleged to have done in the Flynn investigation is far less than what Obama did in the Hillary investigation.

In my view: that wouldn’t make it OK, but double standards aren’t OK either.

UPDATE: Yes, Comey has a track record as a Democrat agent who lies to promote himself and help Clintons escape justice. I wondered. Sigh.



  1. Mark Steyn notes that the NYT hasn’t seen the memo. An aide read parts of it to a reporter. Why not all of it?

    Comment by KCRob — May 17, 2017 @ 11:04 am - May 17, 2017

  2. KCR – Good question. And Steyn makes other good points, which I’ll add as a Update.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — May 17, 2017 @ 11:19 am - May 17, 2017

  3. I think Geraldo Rivera (no conservative he) put it very well on Twitter:

    “News Flash, @realDonaldTrump hoping @JamesComeyFBI cuts @MikeFlynn some slack because he is a ‘good man’ is not close to #Obstruction”

    Comment by Craig Smith — May 17, 2017 @ 12:43 pm - May 17, 2017

  4. Speaking of which – Hannity had video of Chuckie Schumer from last January, predicting that the intelligence community would be out to get President Trump.

    To me, that’s conspiracy and I think Schumer should be asked to resign as minority leader. He’s a disgrace.

    Peter H.

    Comment by Peter Hughes — May 17, 2017 @ 12:47 pm - May 17, 2017

  5. Rep. Pete Sessions asked for Comey to provide a copy of the memo he wrote when predator Clinton met with Lynch.

    Or Rusty could cut and paste a copy for everyone.

    Comment by Lobogris — May 17, 2017 @ 12:48 pm - May 17, 2017

  6. Ace has an article up showing it was Comey who also recommended against investigating Bill Clinton’s pardon of Marc Rich. He seems to have made a career of standing between the Clinton’s and the law.

    Comment by V the K — May 17, 2017 @ 1:37 pm - May 17, 2017

  7. Trump, as I’ve said before, is a known quantity. We’ve known him for decades & he lives part of his life in the public eye. As there is no evidence of anything that is illegal, impeachable or otherwise; natural logic suggests any hysteria remains only outside of Trump’s sphere, being outside the White House. We also understand why hysteria exists. Half the country despises Trump, to the same degree half the country loathed anti-American Obongo Obama. We know human gossips & rumormongers always, always tend to be hysterical. So, knowing Trump as he is, a big boss billionaire eccentric non-politician with a conservative agenda who doesn’t tend to overreact (really), we also should know that he’s not hysterical.

    The reality behind anyone diarizing is that the content always supports the agenda of the person jotting their down their minutiae. I also diarize out of long standing habit, for self-protection in a world that has sharp edges & monsters. Anything I write down is supposed to support my position in any theoretical situation in the future. However; a diary only protects my behind, it doesn’t & isn’t meant to be proof of wrongdoing or otherwise by any other contentious antagonist.

    Comey is full of it. He’s basically a classic disgruntled ex-employee who thought he had it made in the shade. He also thought he could insult his boss behind his backs & that the same leaks wouldn’t include his back-stabbing.

    He’s not proof of anything, his “memo” isn’t proof of anything, his position as a beloved leader of the FBI is a fiction (everyone, everywhere heard what a putz & pompous ass he was considered to be by the rank & file at the FBI).

    In short, the Dem Media controls & fabricates the agenda on the Left. Comey is now without rank, there is no actual evidence of wrongdoing by Trump & the only “truth” out there in leak-land may be that Trump is the eccentric, expect-people-to-be-on-their-toes billionaire ready to react to what he’s in the mood for at any given time. He has people around him who aren’t used to actually working for him. They’re not necessarily even left of center right & many don’t even qualify as Republicans. Maybe Trump doesn’t actually care about leaks & maybe he’s the kind of creature I’ve met many a time; namely, someone that governs by chaos. They still get things done, their not pleasant to work for but they achieve a result.

    One more thing. Trump is a penultimate example of a New Yorker. If you don’t know any, haven’t had any dealings with them, you’re just not going to understand. It’s a process that involves ups & downs.

    People that support Trump (& he hasn’t lost any of his support base) fall into two categories. Those that understand his “kind” & those that support him no matter what & turn a blind eye. Not that it’s a bad thing to turn a blind eye in this case.

    Everything is fine. If you hear Trump say something about the media, you must remember that though he governs through chaos, he’s still a creature of the media. He’s addicted to TV for godsakes. It’s just not a big deal.

    I like Trump, trust & support his agenda. I wouldn’t accept a position or work for Trump. I’d rather dodge traffic. Crazy as it sounds, Paul Ryan is actually taking the correct path & just letting things be, not changing his support & not attacking someone that remembers who & what his enemies are.

    Sorry to go on about it all, but I felt it was necessary to delineate.

    Comment by Hanover — May 17, 2017 @ 1:59 pm - May 17, 2017

  8. Come was fired when he was in California. That was most likely a strategy which gave the Trump people time to seal his office and open his safe.

    So, where were the Comey memos? Did he have them at home or with him or had he not yet written them?

    Trump is a sloppy, amateur politician.

    No more so than Obama. No more so than Shrillary.

    Did either Obama or Shrillary have mainstream media harpies crawling all over them 24/7?

    In late December of 2016, the FBI announced that it had found nothing illicit on Flynn in his calls with Russian officials and therefore, Flynn was not a target of FBI investigation. Yet, on May 8, 2017 <a href=
    Sally Yates told Congress, under oath, that Flynn could have been blackmailed for what he said in phone calls with the Russians.

    The McClatchy summary of January 18, 2017 is well worth reviewing. It will remind the reader of what was generally known just prior to Trump’s meeting with Comey.

    President Trump asked the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, to shut down the federal investigation into [Flynn]…

    The above is the New York Times language, not Trump’s language. In fact, we do not know the actual language.

    One version of Trump’s statement to Comey was “let it go.” That is new-age speak for “let’s move on.” Why would Trump ask Comey to drop a “nothing there” investigation?

    Where’s the beef? Either Sally Yates, as acting Attorney General had heavy duty stuff on Flynn or she pulled taffy to the braking point with the whole “Flynn could be blackmailed” hysteria.

    Does Comey have the goods on Trump? Did Flynn get himself into blackmail territory with the Russians? YES!!!- all the anonymous sources say so.

    So much shoveling of smoke and so little of substance. The probable, possible impeachers are all out for impeachment in their relative when. They just can’t postulate how.

    And remember, Comey had no choice but to report such an outrageous obstruction of justice, yet Eagle Scout Comey did not follow the rules of the game.

    If you can’t follow the plot, its because the DemonizingRats are riding off in all directions at once.

    Comment by Heliotrope — May 17, 2017 @ 2:11 pm - May 17, 2017

  9. Hmmmm
    1st the president is a proven liar- from his past various scams/businesses (Trump University anyone?!?!)
    2nd he is a known lunatic – Obama was born in Kenya! Global warming is a Chinese plot!
    Now we learn:
    The president first asks the FBI director for his loyalty
    The president next asks the FBI to stop investigating
    Then he fired the guy

    But you somehow think Trump deserves the benefit of doubt because….why exactly? Because he convinced you he wants to “drain the swamp?” – but really he means more spending, less taxes and rules that let businesses not pay employees for overtime

    The question you need to ask yourself is why did you trust a proven liar and scammer to not be a liar and scammer?

    Comment by mike — May 17, 2017 @ 2:47 pm - May 17, 2017

  10. “The question you need to ask yourself is why did you trust a proven liar and scammer to not be a liar and scammer?”

    Funny lil letter mike… along with rusty and CCP demand a double standard. I bet lil letter mike voted for Mrs. Clinton, a known liar and scammer.

    Please explain why you voted for Mrs. Clinton in the context of her being a known liar (there are many examples) and a known scammer (again, there are many examples).

    Comment by TnnsNe1 — May 17, 2017 @ 3:07 pm - May 17, 2017

  11. oh.. I forgot… Please explain why you voted for Mrs. Clinton in the context of the birth certificate issue. She was among the first to raise it.

    Also, please explain why you voted for Obama’s second term in the context of the many lies he told.

    lil letter mike, rusty and CCP stomp their “collective” feet
    and DEMAND Trump supporters be held to a higher standard of behavior than they hold for themselves and their kind.

    Comment by TnnsNe1 — May 17, 2017 @ 3:10 pm - May 17, 2017

  12. Jim Comey was a political hack allied with Chuck Schumer…

    Comment by V the K — May 17, 2017 @ 3:30 pm - May 17, 2017

  13. TnnsNe1 – please point to where Clinton asked for Obamas birthday certificate. ( you won’t be able to do so)
    There are lots of reasons to dislike Clinton but it seems you are victim of anti Clinton propaganda.

    Don’t blame Clinton because you proved yourself to be a sucker for Russian propaganda.

    Comment by mike — May 17, 2017 @ 3:33 pm - May 17, 2017

  14. lil letter mike : Silence equals consent. Thank you for agreeing that Mrs. Clinton and Obama are liars and scammers.

    You fell for the “deflection” bait.

    “Then, as Obama marched toward the presidency, a new suggestion emerged: That he was not eligible to serve. (See: Birther debate alive across U.S.)”

    “That theory first emerged in the spring of 2008, as Clinton supporters circulated an anonymous email questioning Obama’s citizenship.”

    “Barack Obama’s mother was living in Kenya with his Arab-African father late in her pregnancy. She was not allowed to travel by plane then, so Barack Obama was born there and his mother then took him to Hawaii to register his birth,”

    So, Clinton didn’t lie about Obama’s birth, her supporters did. You support Clinton, therefore you are a liar.

    I just applied well known leftist logic to you and your kind.

    Comment by TnnsNe1 — May 17, 2017 @ 4:09 pm - May 17, 2017

  15. littlelettermikey,the fascist, proclaims:

    Now we learn:
    The president first asks the FBI director for his loyalty
    The president next asks the FBI to stop investigating

    Would those be established facts or would those be trapped in the closed mind of an ideologue.

    Show me the inconvertible evidence that will stand up in court that Trump “asked” Comey for his loyalty to something other than the Constitution of the United States and the “rule of law.”

    Show me the inconvertible evidence that will stand up in court that Trump “asked” Comey to cease and desist in an ongoing investigation.

    littlelettermikey,the fascist, may operate at the level of understanding which underlie his comments, but it is painful to slog through such pitiful illogic.

    Comment by Heliotrope — May 17, 2017 @ 4:23 pm - May 17, 2017

  16. birth certificate issue

    Trump chose to become the face of the birther movement, and he enjoyed drumming up the attention as well (classy). Obama never needed to show his long form birth certificate. Yet, people demanded it because … why? Most of them wanted Obama to “prove’ he was a U.S. citizen. It was already proven with the short-form. Had Obama been more “white,” like, say, Ted Cruz (ahem), none of that birth certificate nonsense would have gotten much attention. (And, yeah, I bet Hillary would have tried to get something started there too)

    If you want to justify your support of Trump’s role in the birther movement because Hillary “started it,” super, now show your support to see those tax returns.


    (Or just spin away on why they are not the same. Which, lol, yes, they are not. One is way more important than the other. And it wasn’t Obama’s long form birth certificate that needed to be seen.)

    Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — May 17, 2017 @ 6:02 pm - May 17, 2017

  17. *If Cruz had started to become a threat to her, she might have tried to make an issue of him being born in Canada, if there was something there to exploit.

    Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — May 17, 2017 @ 6:05 pm - May 17, 2017

  18. CCP: I personally never suspected Obama of being a non-citizen. But clearly, there is something on his long-form certificate that he doesn’t want people to see. Clearly. Same with his college records and medical records, also never released.

    I suspect the problem with the long-form certificate is something to do with Obama’s father. For example, it could list Barry as a Muslim (in that religion, you’re automatically one if your father is one) or as a Kenya-US dual citizen. Or who knows what. (We won’t, until we see it.)

    If seeing Trump’s tax records should be important: then seeing Obama’s medical records, college records, and long-form birth certificate should have been important.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — May 17, 2017 @ 6:09 pm - May 17, 2017

  19. U.S. birth certificates do not list any foreign citizenship (I was born to two non-U.S. citizens) to my knowledge. While the U.S. doesn’t have a hardline policy on dual citizenship, it’s generally “frowned upon.” But, nothing is generally enforced to prevent U.S. citizens from doing it. Foreign countries/Islam would have no influence on someone’s U.S. birth certificate as far as listing any additional foreign citizenship.

    And, if Obama was born “Muslim” through his father, it wouldn’t necessarily have anything to do with what Obama practices any more than an American being born to Jewish parents and not being raised Jewish.

    If Obama was naturalised Kenya through his father, it also wouldn’t have anything to do with anything other than having an additional citizenship.

    Ted Cruz had Canadian citizenship up until the age of 42 (according to him, although he never said he filed a renunciation application. Considering he never “knew”/thought he was a Canadian citizen–despite being born there (perhaps his parents deceived him inadvertently, had he inquired)–it’s doubtful that he knew and took the logistical steps to renounce). He was naturalised American through his mother.

    Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — May 17, 2017 @ 6:40 pm - May 17, 2017

  20. But clearly, there is something on his long-form certificate that he doesn’t want people to see. Clearly.

    Obama’s long form birth certificate

    Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — May 17, 2017 @ 6:45 pm - May 17, 2017

  21. something on his long-form certificate that he doesn’t want people to see

    I think what he was doing was highlighting the racism of the birther movement.

    But, that’s just my take.

    Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — May 17, 2017 @ 6:52 pm - May 17, 2017

  22. Oh Good Lord, not again with the birth certificate. The simple fact is, the man said the Muslim call to prayer was “the prettiest sound in the world,” in the midst of a massive genocide of Christians in the Middle East, he took in only a handful of Christian refugees, but millions of Muslims, and to top it off, he gave an Islamic Supremacist Terror-Regime billions of American taxpayer dollars to help spread global jihad.

    That tells me more about his sympathies than his birth certificate ever could.

    And yet, no special prosecutor.


    Comment by V the K — May 17, 2017 @ 7:00 pm - May 17, 2017

  23. …shown to be a forgery:

    So no, we still haven’t seen Obama’s long-form certificate. But V has a good point, this is a sideshow.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — May 17, 2017 @ 7:01 pm - May 17, 2017

  24. I no longer believe anything anyone says

    Comment by TAD — May 17, 2017 @ 7:06 pm - May 17, 2017

  25. What we actually have happening is a coup against the lawfully elected President of the United States.

    Comment by V the K — May 17, 2017 @ 7:17 pm - May 17, 2017

  26. “So, where were the Comey memos? Did he have them at home or with him or had he not yet written them?”

    Probably distributed to a select list of associates that would have access to the meeting minutes, I suppose. I wonder how many …? Your leaker will be among those, I think.

    When all is said and done, it still feels to me like a “he said-she said” sort of thing …

    Awaiting the next installment to hit the Internets with kettle popcorn!!!

    Comment by Cas — May 17, 2017 @ 7:41 pm - May 17, 2017

  27. “Clinton didn’t lie about Obama’s birth, her supporters did”

    Well….at least you have the intellectual honesty to admit you are a victim of Russian propaganda.
    I’ll take what little intellectual honesty I can get around here

    Now if only a can work on your reasoning skills!


    Comment by mike — May 17, 2017 @ 8:10 pm - May 17, 2017

  28. The Obama Ideological Spiritual Temple and Trinket Outlet will not likely have much in the way of Obama’s pre-2008 past.

    No President among the 45 was essentially invisible up to the year or two before becoming President.

    Obama was anointed with the Nobel Peace Prize before he had done anything that could classify as even “meaningful” in terms of the zeitgeist.

    No President since John Kennedy was so swooned over.

    He came among us with promises that the seas would cease to rise and a great healing would roll across the land.

    Somehow, Obama will have to overwhelm our puny selves with his Mt. Olympus Temple to Himself or he will have to rent out space or fill the halls with art drawn from his imagination to stand in for his folklore barren pre-Presidential years.

    It totally astounds me that s-o-o-o many otherwise sentient Obama fanboys have no curiosity about why the man has no documented past.

    A birth certificate is not normally an arcane artifact. Normally, fellow students tend to remember one another, especially the ones who become famous.

    David Remnick and David Maraniss attempted to flesh out Obama’s skeletal pre-Presidential years and failed miserably. Now liberal historian David Garrow (he describes himself as a Bernie Sanders democratic socialist) has pumped out 1,461 pages on Obama and even discovered a half-Dutch and half-Japanese lover named Jager who Obama proposed to several times. Her staunchly Republican father interfered. Jager (now an Oberlin professor) said that Obama suffered “torment over the central issue in his life” which was “race and identity.”

    How do you build a monument to anonymity and ambiguity?

    Having visited most of the Presidential libraries, I can honestly say that I am highly intrigued to scope out what monument Obambi will erect to himself.

    Comment by Heliotrope — May 17, 2017 @ 8:12 pm - May 17, 2017

  29. Lil letter mike tries to be cute and funny. Major fail.

    So, Clinton supporters sending out fake emails in 2008 is Russian propaganda?

    Clinton lost because she was stupid and arrogant. Lapdogs like lil letter mike, rusty, CCP and cas don’t have any reason to have voted for her other than vagina. Now, they get all wrapped up in NYT and WaPo spin cycle of fake news and innuendo. More leftist stupidity and arrogance. To most of American, you all look like complete idiots who have not matured past middle school.

    Comment by tnnsne1 — May 17, 2017 @ 9:16 pm - May 17, 2017

  30. Speaking of middle school girls, isn’t this whole leaks tactic totally seventh grade? Start an anonymous rumor about the girl you don’t like and watch it her spread around?

    If Trumps attackers weren’t pee you ess ess eye ess, they would attack him in the open not with anonymous leaks to the other twelve year Olds in the clique.

    Comment by V the K — May 17, 2017 @ 10:21 pm - May 17, 2017

  31. shown to be a forgery

    Please refer to Comment #19. Thanks.

    Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — May 17, 2017 @ 10:37 pm - May 17, 2017

  32. *Comment #19 addresses all of your concerns. So, I’m wondering what’s left, other than, “But, why didn’t he release it right away?”

    Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — May 17, 2017 @ 10:41 pm - May 17, 2017

  33. Like Ted Cruz, Obama’s mother was an American. Cruz and Obama are both American citizens. All the conspiracy theories in the world can’t take Obama’s American citizenship away. It can’t make him a practicing Muslim either.

    There’s more evidence that Donald Trump is a pee you ess ess why – grabber than Obama is a Muslim/non-American.

    Whether Obama is trolling the birthers, or the certificate is real, there is nothing to hide that pertains to Obama’s American citizenship.

    Like, seriously, let’s say the certificate is fake … then, what? The current administration is lying every day. Every day, GP fronts like it’s no big deal, there is probably nothing there, and if there, nothing has been proven. But, it’s still lying. It’s still deceiving.

    Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — May 17, 2017 @ 10:56 pm - May 17, 2017

  34. To most of American, you all look like complete idiots who have not matured past middle school.

    Per usual, you’re ascribing your usual delusions to the beliefs of others.

    MOST Americans want an independent comprehensive investigation that examines all of the facts and comes to the final conclusion. That is what I support, regardless of the the outcome. A MAJORITY of Americans want an investigation into whether there was any contact between the Trump campaign and Russian government. A MAJORITY of Americans have little confidence Congress can conduct an impartial investigation.

    I know you hate facts, but here is a link.

    Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — May 17, 2017 @ 11:11 pm - May 17, 2017

  35. The simple fact is, the man said the Muslim call to prayer was “the prettiest sound in the world,”

    A rung a bell twice at a Buddhist temple yesterday. It doesn’t make me a Buddhist.

    If Obama is the petulant narcissist many of his detractors think of him, now that he’s not president, he has zero f*cks to give and do whatever he wants. He can can start going to mosque every day, divorce Michelle, and take on a gay lover. Or, do you think he’ll wait for 2019 after the mid-terms, because, you know, he’ll take one for the team?

    Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — May 17, 2017 @ 11:17 pm - May 17, 2017

  36. Tnns1NE,

    Also, if the link isn’t good enough for you, then please back your statement up: “To most of American, you all look like complete idiots who have not matured past middle school,” other than using, you know, your own usual delusions.

    Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — May 17, 2017 @ 11:45 pm - May 17, 2017

  37. #30, V
    “If Trumps attackers weren’t pee —”

    It’s a given, since a special counsel has been appointed by the WH/JusticeDept, that leakers will now be found. The reason why this is a double-edged sword is that even though there was hesitation to appoint a counsel, which would bolster the fiction of Russian collusion, it would also reap the wild wind catching leakers & all idiots alike. In other words, the back stabbers among Trump’s staff whether family or not.

    Whoever is leaking, & there has to be more than one, they’re now afraid. It’s a crime, it’s not simple gossip & while the media can’t be prosecuted, a source can indeed be crucified.

    Looking forward to it. It’s needed now. I don’t care if it’s that skinny little puke Kushner. They need to be punished.

    Meanwhile, even Pelosi isn’t on board with the idiocy of jumping on the impeachment train. She’s a survivor & spelled it out a couple of days ago. Just because you don’t like the president, doesn’t mean you can impeach him. There is no evidence. Having now 4 investigations towards Russian meddling & possible collusion (there is no target on Trump) & having no evidence at all that any meddling by Russia affected any outcome (especially when it’s impossible to find even one civilian that can tell you what was in the Podesta emails) – have turned up nothing to date of any significance. None whatsoever. Since July 2016. The only reason they continue is because there is a desperation on the Left that something, anything will pop up. Which desperation is why the non-issue of Comey’s memo was eagerly consumed by the Left.

    I refer you & anyone who wants to know more about SnakeInTheGrass Comey to review or read Wednesday’s article in the The Federalist.
    Comey is not some victim/hero. He’s slimeball Sen. Schumer’s operative.

    Comment by Hanover — May 18, 2017 @ 12:46 am - May 18, 2017

  38. Ah, Vince links to an NBC news poll as “proof.” No bias there. And those NBC polls sure got the election results right.

    Comment by V the K — May 18, 2017 @ 8:32 am - May 18, 2017

  39. CrayCray @ #33:

    The current administration is lying every day. Every day, GP fronts like it’s no big deal, there is probably nothing there, and if there, nothing has been proven. But, it’s still lying. It’s still deceiving.

    Whoa, hoss, back up.

    Could you give us five or three or one lie the current administration has told? It has been there for 118 days so out of a lie every day, it should not be too hard to come up with a few whoppers.

    “Nothing has been proven” is a little tough to overcome when identifying a lie. In the realm of ethics:

    A lie has three essential features:

    • A lie communicates some information

    • The liar intends to deceive or mislead

    •The liar believes that what is ‘said’ is not true

    Hillary Clinton had definite information concerning the Benghazi attack and chose to float the lie that it was motivated by a YouTube video.

    Obama knew that “If you like your doctor” you may not be able to keep your doctor under Obamacare.

    Clintoon knew that he had had his willie in Monica’s mouth and had put his cigar in places 99% of women other than Monica would not allow it. But he tried to sell the notion that “sex” was not in play.

    It would help when you choose from your “lie-a-day” list if you would run the lies through the “three essential features” test to make certain that what you call a lie meets the ethical criteria of identifying a lie.

    James Comey better hope that there are no “tapes” of our conversations before he starts leaking to the press!

    5:26 AM – 12 May 2017

    This “Tweet” does not pass the “three essential features” test to make certain that it meets the ethical criteria of identifying as a lie.

    Any sentient person knows that a game of cat and mouse is in play. Call it innuendo or bullying or whatever you like, there is no smoking gun to prove that Trump said he has “tapes” of Comey. Comically, after the “earthshaking” intelligence “blunder” Trump supposedly made in the Oval Office with the Russians, Vladimir Putin offered that Russia has “tapes” of the whole meeting and no such “blunder” occurred.

    Just a couple of lies, please. Or maybe just one big, juicy one.

    Comment by Heliotrope — May 18, 2017 @ 9:56 am - May 18, 2017

  40. Agreed. What are these lies (intentionally deceptive falsehoods of Trump) that I supposedly shill for? Do tell.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — May 18, 2017 @ 10:16 am - May 18, 2017

  41. Helio, are you really going to ask me to go back and relay all of the times Sean Spicer and Kellyanne Conway alone lied/deceived. Come on.

    And the subject was Barack Hussein Obama’s birth certificate.

    No one here has yet argued what he’s hiding.

    1) He’s American through his mother (always has been, always will be)
    2) Being born in Kenya (lol) or to a Kenyan father does not make him a practicing Muslim.

    So, please, enlighten me, folks. What exactly is Barack Obama Hussein hiding, if his birthplace has been faked (another lol).

    Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — May 18, 2017 @ 10:21 am - May 18, 2017

  42. I’m of 2 minds about answering that question.

    I could point out that it makes no sense. When somebody hides something, he’s the person to ask about what he’s hiding. Not the people he’s hiding it from.

    Or I could point out again that it’s a sideshow and I was wrong to engage with you on it at all.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — May 18, 2017 @ 10:28 am - May 18, 2017

  43. I could point out that it makes no sense

    The question highlights that nothing is hidden. It’s a sideshow thanks to the tens of millions of racist idiots who demanded to see his long-form birth certificate (and the few people like yourself who aren’t racist and/or idiots).

    Tens of millions of idiots that don’t understand that Obama “not an American” Hussein Obama was an American through his mother. The birth certificate was irrelevant. Yet, you never heard this much in conservative channels, or did you?

    Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — May 18, 2017 @ 10:42 am - May 18, 2017

  44. Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — May 18, 2017 @ 10:33 pm - May 18, 2017

  45. CrayCray,

    Although I have posted it many times before, I will do so again as a reminder: Saint Lactantius – “The first point of wisdom is to discern what is false, the second is to know what is true.”

    The point of skepticism is careful examination, caution and thorough intellectual scrutiny. Some would call this “critical thinking.” At the heart of learning what is true is the solving of contradictions. You can’t solve them all, many times, so you have to settle for what is most likely “true.” That means that you still discern that it may be false.

    Obama has no earthly reason to lock away his records from scrutiny. To win a poker hand, you must show your cards. Those who lose may shield theirs, but the winner may not.

    If Obama were properly born, there would be zero reason for the long, drawn out cat and mouse game.

    This is much like the business of man-caused global warming. It is not a philosophy, it is a measurable theory that can be tested by rigorous scientific method.

    A fact is undergirded by evidence and proof.

    Love him or hate him, Jerome Corsi laid out the birtherism business in stark detail. Jack Cashill’s books raise serious questions about official documents, social security numbers, passports, writings, etc. in Obama’s life. All of these would be “no-brainers” if Obama and company would just raise the veil of secrecy and let the information come to the fore.

    I am not a “birther.” I am a skeptic through and through. Figures don’t lie, but liars can figure. So, when I observe simple things being thrown into the ugga-bugga-yoyo nonsense machine, I figure there is a reason for the obfuscation, misdirection, stonewalling, and petty obstinance.

    Go to MediaMatters and see what they say about Cashill and Corsi. Both, according to MediaMatters are total conspiracy loons and should be laughed off the planet.

    OK, if it is that easy, lets have the Dominican process in which both “sides” come together and reveal their inferred knowledge and back it with logic. Contradictions will be addressed according to ground rules based on Socratic debate and Aristotelian logic. In the process, demeaning language and charges will be outlawed and only critical thinking will be permitted. This not TV squawk box wedgie stuff, it is honest debate.

    If you read and examine the minutiae concerning the “long form” birth certificate which the White House finally posted on its site, you will see that there is a great deal of forensic-based debate over its authenticity. That sort of cloud is relatively easy to clear up if openness and sunshine are allowed in the process.

    Just as there are “true-believers” there are also “true-disbelievers.” Nothing is going to change the minds of either. But in the search for truth, nothing is to be gained by obstructing the search but deeper doubt.

    Just give me two lies from Spicer and two lies from Conway. But, you do understand that they are not Trump. So, I would like to have one lie from Trump, as well. My bet is that you have none.

    Comment by Heliotrope — May 19, 2017 @ 10:09 am - May 19, 2017

  46. ““The first point of wisdom is to discern what is false, the second is to know what is true.”

    Probably why people who think Caitlyn Jenner and Chelsea Manning are women are incapable of wisdom.

    Comment by V the K — May 19, 2017 @ 10:12 am - May 19, 2017

  47. Cray,Cray,


    I have no idea who created this stinker, but it is very useful in the “skeptics” view of the life and times of Barack Obama. Remember, Obama did not come from even modest wealth.

    From the timeline:

    •1979 – Obama goes to Occidental College and then he decides to go to Columbia University and blah, blah, blah.

    *1988 – Now 26, Obama decides to go to Harvard Law School, but first he takes off for Kenya.

    •1990 – Obama is president of Harvard Law Review

    •1991 – Obama writes his autobiography which is not published until 1995.

    •1996 – Obama is elected to Illinois Senate.

    •2004 – Obama elected to US Senate.

    •2007 – February 10, 2007 Obama (born Aug. 4, 1961) at age 45 announces his candidacy for President of the United States.

    I chose these entries to make a point: There is much more not said than there is revealed.

    There has to be a real story behind jumping from Occidental College to Columbia University. It is like leaving your room at Motel 8 and moving into a room at the Waldorf. How do you do that? I guess it would be all explained in his autobiography.

    Nine years after entering Occidental and then Columbia, Obama decides to go to Harvard Law School. Wow!!! He must have some fantastic college records and he must have some position of importance to get the recommendations and there must be some gelt involved or a sugar daddy or this genius is being stalked by headhunters everywhere. I guess it would all be explained in his autobiography.

    Wow! President of the Harvard Law Review! Can’t wait to read his contributions. (crickets.)

    1991, 30 year old Superman Obama writes his autobiography. Thank heavens, everything will be made clear for all to see.

    1995, said autobiography is published and you can put the facts of his life in a thimble and still have room for a finger.

    1996, the famous throughout Illinois Obama is coronated into the Illinois Senate at age 35. Napoleon would be jealous. How did he do it? Maybe it will be told in his second autobiography.

    In eight years, (less time than between starting Occidental College and going to Harvard Law School) Obama goes to the US Senate from Illinois at age 43.

    Half way through his first term in the Senate, Obama decides to be President.

    This highly laudatory “time-line” is so bereft of facts and information that any mildly skeptical reader would be astounded at how much is missing.

    So, it should be pretty easy to flesh out the details. A person of this power and majesty must have left a trail of super-impressed acquaintances who just can’t wait to attach themselves to his lore and legend. Right?

    The press undoubtedly scratched through every anthill documenting the footprints of where the Magnificent Obama walked. All those memories from his prep school in Hawaii, his fellow students and wowed professors at Occidental, ditto Columbia, ditto Harvard Law School and the masses he lifted in his community organizing days. Or, on the other hand, maybe he silently passed from cell to cell and always appeared as the mystery man. Bill Clintoon’s past is an open book, Obama’s past is essentially non-existent. How does that happen?

    How does that happen?

    Comment by Heliotrope — May 19, 2017 @ 11:26 am - May 19, 2017

  48. Again, the birther topic was brought up first, and no one can explain why tens of millions of Americans insisted he wasn’t an American … when any dimwit could figure out he was with or without that SECOND birth certificate.

    Again, idiots and racists those people are. And Trump was the face of it.

    Just give me two lies from Spicer and two lies from Conway … I would like to have one lie from Trump, as well. My bet is that you have none.

    Spicer: “That was the largest audience to witness an inauguration, period.”

    Spicer: “There’s one that came out of Pew in 2008 that showed 14 percent of people who voted were noncitizens.”

    Conway: “Two Iraqi nationals came to this country, joined ISIS, traveled back to the Middle East to get trained and refine their terrorism skills, and come back here, and were the masterminds behind the Bowling Green massacre of taking innocent soldiers’ lives away.”

    Conway: “Donald Trump has been incredibly generous over the course of his life … with his own money, and his foundation’s money — which is his money,”

    Trump: “The murder rate in our country is the highest it’s been in 47 years, right? Did you know that? Forty-seven years. I used to use that — I’d say that in a speech and everybody was surprised because the press doesn’t tell it like it is … The murder rate is the highest it’s been in, I guess, from 45 to 47 years.”

    Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — May 19, 2017 @ 7:04 pm - May 19, 2017

  49. I know you’re going to try to spin how those five statements aren’t lies. But, really, you should save yourself the trouble.

    Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — May 19, 2017 @ 8:02 pm - May 19, 2017

  50. #48, CCP (one-time only address) Because 10s of millions of Americans despise radical Obama for shoving Obamacare down the throats of half the country & are willing to keep saying he isn’t a citizen. Sort of the same way that millions insist that there’s a valid Russian narrative about Trump. Despite the lack of evidence.

    The problem was, Obama never had his :::original copy::: of the birth certificate & finally had Hawaii, a liberal-run (corrupt) state do a certification, which isn’t the same thing. Finally, Hawaii did a photocopy of the original ledger record, but it still wasn’t the same as an :::original copy::: of the birth certificate, though it finally showed the correct form. I know this because I was born two years previously at the same hospital & have my original copy, which is a :::photostat:::. Which is unimpeachable proof of my live birth there. My parents were proper Americans, my dad was in the military & my mother was married to my Dad. He also was present for my birth & not slinging it with multiple commie wives in Kenya. Obama was only one step up from being a bastard, illegitimate.

    Heliotrope has a good point in that Obama’s birth wasn’t proper. It wasn’t proper. You & others may not put any stock in “legitimacy” but the issue of legitimacy exists still in the world today & thrives in the US if the issue comes up. His mother was a disgusting libertine & his father was an iffy African of dubious character. In another time, just his birth circumstances would be enough to disqualify him socially to be president. Obviously, the reason for this is apparent in the kerfuffle about it all. Standards of decency have their root in pragmatism. He wasn’t properly born. There were real concerns that he was born elsewhere & then brought to Hawaii. Which would have been easy to do at the time.

    The Donald never led the charge on any of it. He waded in on occasion. Hardly instigated anything & only poked people about it because that’s politics. You sow a seed of doubt in people’s minds about the opposition. The time-honored way of throwing mud.

    As for Obama, I’m not aware that any previous president was born so lowly. Let alone purposely attacked the country he was supposed to lead.

    Comment by Hanover — May 19, 2017 @ 8:19 pm - May 19, 2017

  51. Wow.

    Um, wow.

    You can’t stand the fact that Obama is an American, can you. And tearing about his mother … ? Wow. His father, “an iffy African.” Interesting.

    And, lol, at “Donald wading into it every now and again.”

    In another time, just his birth circumstances would be enough to disqualify him socially to be president.

    Oh, like say the 1950s and anytime before that.


    Well, you let your hand show, Hanover.

    Not racist, sexist at all!

    born so lowly

    Oh, yeah. Much better for your character to be born with a silver spoon in your mouth.

    Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — May 19, 2017 @ 8:31 pm - May 19, 2017

  52. willing to keep saying he isn’t a citizen

    Such educated patriots. Thank goodness for free speech where anyone can say anything they want short of crying “fire” in a movie theatre.

    Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — May 19, 2017 @ 8:34 pm - May 19, 2017

  53. Except that everything I’ve written is fact. If you don’t like it, that’s too bad & is a reflection on your own ability to understand reality. Fact. I’ve made no mention of how I personally feel about it but have related “what is”. If it disturbs your that Obama was born of lowlife scum, that’s your problem. Dispute away, everything I’ve said is common knowledge except for the delineation about the Obongo Obama’s birth cert. which I’ve enhanced with my personal knowledge of “what is”.

    You wouldn’t be the first one I’ve heard push back against the reality of lowly birth. It’s been a contention & a sneer for centuries. Some people are born scum & make good, others remain scum & yet others turn to scum after being born with every advantage. Doesn’t matter whether you agree with me or not. Thanks. I’ll return to my non-interaction with you now, because frankly; nothing you or the other Libs matter. Nothing you say matters.

    Comment by Hanover — May 19, 2017 @ 9:54 pm - May 19, 2017

  54. Cray,Cray,

    You insist on avoiding what I wrote.

    I agree with you that millions doubt Obama’s citizenship. His mother is dead. His mother’s parents are dead. It is his birth certificate which proves his citizenship. He refused and refused and refused to produce his birth certificate. Donald Trump’s extremely public push against his legitimacy finally caused him to release his birth certificate.

    Unfortunately for Obama, there are highly credible charges that the birth certificate that was finally shown has a number of forensic concerns.

    You want to believe Obama. Your trust and faith will not and can not satisfy the doubters.

    You refuse to look at the charges and why they have substance. Your choice.

    In the midst of anonymous leaks against Trump puffed up by the Washington Post and the New York Times, it is passing strange that you can’t bring yourself to be curious about charges made by named sources and backed with evidence against Obama.

    Trump was not a birther. He put Obama in a half Nelson and Obama coughed up the birth certificate in order to break the hold. Trump punked Obama.

    Your list of “lies” are very weak tea and fairly easily refuted, but who cares. However, I will take on the Spicer one about the crowd at the inauguration.

    The establishment press had adopted a lie and keeps on telling it. It involves two photographs. Both were taken from the top of the Washington Monument. One is Obama’s inauguration and the other is Trump’s. In the photo of Trump’s crowd you see a sea of white protective covers laid over the grass. No or few people in those areas. However, the Obama photo was taken at the time of his swearing in at noon. The Trump photo has to be time stamped, but somehow, conveniently, that photo is not available for examination of the digital time code.

    But wait, other photos taken at various times between 10 am and noon of the Trump inauguration show those empty areas being filled and then filled with people. The best “guess” made by experts is that the famous Trump crowd photo was taken about 9:45 am.

    So, we have a mystery, except that the Washington Post has decided that they will declare that both the Obama photo and the Trump photo were taken at noon. Snopes, Politifact and others have jumped onboard with that version.

    It is hardly worth going to war over, but the WaPo knows good and well its meme is bogus. But that is what that once credible paper has come to.

    Comment by Heliotrope — May 19, 2017 @ 9:59 pm - May 19, 2017

  55. one-time only address

    I’ll return to my non-interaction with you now

    You’re full of sh!t.

    Obama was born of lowlife scum

    This is fact? About his mother? That is an opinion. It’s pretty scummy to call it fact.

    It is his birth certificate which proves his citizenship.

    His direct matriarchal lineage makes him American. Didn’t matter where he was born.

    Trump was not a birther.

    He was an opportunist who appropriated the birther movement for his gain at best. Pretty scummy.

    You insist on avoiding what I wrote.

    No, I answered your questions. Thanks for the spin. I knew you would come through. In other news, I hear the sky isn’t actually blue. It’s just molecules manipulating blue light from the sun.

    For such a smart man (you, not Hanover), you really have selective hearing.

    Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — May 19, 2017 @ 10:25 pm - May 19, 2017

  56. Cray,Cray:

    I do not deny that US law passes citizenship through the parent no matter where in the world the birth takes place.


    The birth certificate is THE record of WHO gave the birth.

    Stanley Ann Dunham was “apparently” the mother of Obama. “Apparently” because the Obama life is so fragmented that all we know for certain is that Stanley Ann Dunham and her parents shared the raising Obama. Before Obama was sworn into office Stanley Ann Dunham was long dead and the grandparents were dead as well.

    Without a birth certificate, there is nothing but family lore concerning who Obama’s parents were and where he was born.

    Conspiracy folk questioned the natural born citizenship of Goldwater, Cruz, Romney and others.

    Obama set himself up as a sitting duck for such charges by continuing to be too cute by half in not releasing his birth certificate.

    Complicating Obama’s game were some Obama friendly statements such as a 1991 promotional booklet published by Obama’s literary agents stating: “Barack Obama, the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review, was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii.”

    In 2009, instead of a birth certificate, Barack Obama’s people tried this: “I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago….”

    Then, in 2011, after the birth certificate was finally released, Donald Trump crowed: “I feel I’ve accomplished something really, really important. Now we have to look at it. We have to see is it real? Is it proper? What’s on it? But I hope it checks out beautifully.”

    Then the birthers found stuff that indicated possible fraud in the birth certificate copy that was photographed. Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio and his aides announced that a five-year investigation had “proved” that Obama’s birth certificate from Hawaii in 1961 was a fake. An accompanying presentation highlighted what they called “9 points of forgery” on the document, which focused on the angles of date stamps, typed letters and words: the birth certificate presented to the public was created after copying and pasting information from the legitimate birth certificate of a woman born in Hawaii, Arpaio claimed.

    The Arpaio charges withered on the vine.

    That is where things stand.

    Obama created this whole problem for himself by not coming forth with the documents necessary to prove his claim of citizenship. No one knows why he chose to be smug and tricky.

    The best guess is that he applied to both Columbia and Harvard as a Kenyan and rode the affirmative action express for all it was worth. But those records are sealed, so there is no way to review the applications.

    There is plenty enough fuel for skepticism due to the penumbra of mystery which Obama built around his entire persona.

    Who writes an autobiography at age 31 when, essentially, the life is hardly stand-out remarkable? Who then writes a second autobiographical work? Who is the audience for this man of mystery?

    For those who hold Obama as an idol, there is no skepticism and skepticism is offensive.

    For the skeptics, Obama keeps mirroring the actions of a sort of “Manchurian candidate.” And, Obama keeps feeding that skepticism.

    The fact that you are all in for Obama has no effect whatsoever on those who distrust the man and his motives.

    Comment by Heliotrope — May 20, 2017 @ 10:58 am - May 20, 2017

  57. Then the birthers found stuff that indicated possible fraud in the birth certificate copy that was photographed.

    1) He had citizenship through his mother (he’s an American)
    2) He had a short-form birth certificate that wasn’t forged.

    That wasn’t enough for the birthers. They insisted on MORE.

    At this point, “more” equates to being a racist idiot.

    If we have established he’s American (both through his mother and his birth certificate), then what is left?

    Conspiracy theory, that’s what. What is left is, Obama was created in a lab somewhere deep in the Middle East and then the Mooslims constructed a history for Robot Obama back in the 1980s or whenever, and appropriated the lives of a soon-to-be-dead white American, and her family, as well as a dead Kenyan who loved to procreate. They educated him (except he missed the day they taught how many states are in the U.S. or he just got it mixed up with the Islamic state), taught him to speak, etc. All for the purpose of infiltrating the U.S. government from the inside. They figured, “decades from now, the U.S. is going to be hungry for a black American to be president.” Let’s create one and make him the most Islam-sympathetic U.S. president ever. He’ll change the laws, so that he’ll promote Islam migration and we destroy the U.S. the same way we’re destroying Europe. Providence is ours! Infidels, we shall con you!

    Muah hahahahahaha!

    Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — May 20, 2017 @ 5:46 pm - May 20, 2017

  58. *Lol at that being Post #57

    Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — May 20, 2017 @ 5:47 pm - May 20, 2017

  59. The birth certificate is THE record of WHO gave the birth.

    Stanley Ann Dunham was “apparently” the mother of Obama. “Apparently” because the Obama life is so fragmented that all we know for certain is that Stanley Ann Dunham and her parents shared the raising Obama. Before Obama was sworn into office Stanley Ann Dunham was long dead and the grandparents were dead as well.

    Without a birth certificate, there is nothing but family lore concerning who Obama’s parents were and where he was born.


    A Presidential candidate was challenged to show that he met the Constitutional requirements to hold the office.

    I know a slew of people who have no idea who gave birth to them. Sometimes, the state can only verify that they were documented by the state within a short time after birth.

    You do not need a birth certificate to be born. But, every Jane and John Doe needs a comprehensive attempt by the state to identify the fact of Jane Doe’s or John Doe’s birth or death.

    In the days of Andrew Jackson, parentage in the hinterlands was essentially just based on oral history. But Barack Obama was born well into the age of accurate government records. Even today, we have jus soli citizenship disputes.


    The issue of Barack Obama’s citizenship was one of authentication. A driver’s license, school attendance, even a passport does not do it. It takes a birth certificate.

    The “short form” is NOT a birth certificate. It is a registration of live birth. Barack Obama’s short form had some interesting problems.

    In May, 2009 White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs stated that “we posted it [the short-form registration] on the internet.” Gibbs stated that although the Certification of Live Birth lacked details such as the birth hospital, occupations of the parents, the doctor’s signature and registrar’s stamp, (raised seal) it was Obama’s only “birth certificate.”


    I could shiv a git about the birth certificate of the Obamessiah. But, I am acutely aware of three things: 1) there are plenty of people who have raised serious claims concerning Obama’s citizenship status. 2) The legal claims made against Obama’s live birth document and long form birth certificate remain open. 3) Obama had no reasonable explanation for not personally engaging himself in substantiating the authenticity of his State of Hawaii documents.


    Your deep belief in Barack Obama has not a thing to do with the issue of his birth certificate confusions.

    And …. your immediate resort to racism is so lame that it sinks to the level of “don’t hit the girl.” They went after Goldwater’s citizenship without his resorting to Jew bashing (although he had joined the Episcopal Church); they went after Cruz’s citizenship without him resorting to Hispanic-bashing; they went after Romney’s citizenship without his resorting to Mormon bashing.

    Some black people are actually comfortable in their skins and do not have to spend their lives trying to prove themselves as equal to other people. Even McCain’s citizenship was questioned without his resorting to prisoner-of-war bashing.

    I have no idea of your race, but I believe that those who make excuses for others based on the skin color of others are patronizing and prone to think in terms of low expectations because of the “inferior” race.

    What bothers me most about rushing to defend Obama on the basis of race is that I would never trust those people on a jury. When honest opinion is sold so cheaply, integrity is all but destroyed.

    Obama got 365 Electoral votes in 2008 and his 69.5 million popular votes in 2008 is the highest number ever won by a presidential candidate. The number of blacks eligible to vote in 2008 was a small percentage of that 69.5 million, even if every black voted for Obama.

    Racism certainly sucks as the reason for behind Barack Obama’s failings and short comings.

    Comment by Heliotrope — May 20, 2017 @ 7:17 pm - May 20, 2017

  60. Helio,

    You’re not really getting it. You’re arguing on technicalities, but it in part was racism. If you’ve read all my comments you’ll see what I already brought up. No one gave a hoo-haw about the “more white” Ted Cruz and he was “less American” than Obama. No one called to see his “renunciation application,” which I’ll bet you he never filed, even though he said he did. The idiot claimed to not even know he was Canadian. At age 42. What a dumb-ass or just … “lyin’ Ted Cruz.” And, yet, few blinked a eye, while most of those idiot demanded to see Barack “Not American” Obama’s long-form birth certificate because they believed he was Kenyan (and therefore, “NOT AMERICAN”). I’ve heard over and over again, “He’s not American.”

    You’re not hearing me. I’m not hearing you. I suggest we call it a draw.

    Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — May 20, 2017 @ 7:56 pm - May 20, 2017

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