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Talk of National Divorce Goes Mainstream

Posted by V the K at 9:14 pm - June 8, 2017.
Filed under: Ideas & Trends

Never Trumper David French sees the United States drifting toward National Divorce.

I’d argue that we face “something else,” and that something else is more akin to the beginning stages of a national divorce than it is to a civil war. This contention rests fundamentally in two trends, one political and the other far beyond politics. The combination of negative polarization and a phenomenon that economist Tyler Cowen calls “matching” is leading to a national separation so profound that Americans may not have the desire to fight to stay together. Unless trends are reversed, red and blue may ultimately bid each other adieu.

I’ve been saying it since 2012.  French does not see the inevitability of dissolution as clearly as I do. I don’t think we can ever go back to being a Federal Republic again. The left controls too much, and the Government is too big and too powerful. The only alternatives are a dissolution into multiple countries with different levels of freedom, or Totalitarian one party California-on-a-national-level tyranny.

California has already decided that federal laws on immigration don’t apply to them, and that the 1st and 2nd Amendments of the Constitution are not valid within their state.  California, Washington, and New York have decided to unilaterally implementing the Paris Climate Accords within their states. The cracks are readily apparent.

I’m not rooting for it, I just see it as a cultural and political inevitability.

I cannot help thinking of how the Soviet Union supported and financed the radical left movements of the 1960’s and 1970’s with the goal of tearing the USA apart. It took a while, but they ultimately succeeded.

Anyway, here’s some break-up music. The first three lines sum up my feelings toward the Democrat left concisely. And the rest of the song is pretty much my whole attitude toward this thing.

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14 Comments

  1. Glad to see this post. My two cents… I don’t think either side (Left or Right, Washington or Middle America) would ever permit this.

    California / Governor Brown are simply delusional. The Constitution is clear: States can’t do their own foreign policy, nor border policy.

    Yes, the delusional will try to cling to their delusions as long as possible. It will end with them being marginalized.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — June 8, 2017 @ 9:33 pm - June 8, 2017

  2. A problem with his scenario is that huuuge swathes of many states — especially the rural areas — don’t agree with their states’ governing elites or urban progressives…especially in states like NY and California.

    http://www.vividmaps.com/2016/12/trumpland-and-clinton-archipelago.html

    “Even though large tracts of Europe and many old and famous States have fallen or may fall into the grip of the Gestapo and all the odious apparatus of Nazi rule, we shall not flag or fail.

    We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France,
    we shall fight on the seas and oceans,
    we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be,
    we shall fight on the beaches,
    we shall fight on the landing grounds,
    we shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
    we shall fight in the hills;
    we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God’s good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old.”
    – W.S. Churchill

    Comment by Ted B. (Charging Rhino) — June 8, 2017 @ 9:39 pm - June 8, 2017

  3. Is it as bad as all that? Or is the democrats and the news media (I repeat myself) painting a Grand Illusion? I really don’t know.

    Comment by Matthew the Oilman — June 8, 2017 @ 10:08 pm - June 8, 2017

  4. More break-up music, for the melomanes among us:

    The Sound of Social Justice

    https://youtu.be/Sj_pinYgu2s

    Enjoy.

    Comment by Cyril — June 9, 2017 @ 12:51 am - June 9, 2017

  5. “The left controls too much, and the Government is too big and too powerful. ”

    You are such a queen. It’s sweet. It really is.
    Know what a queen does when he doesn’t get his way? He goes into his room slams his door, pouts and listens to bad power ballads.

    Let me be the man in this relationship. Let me talk sense to you through the door as you sulk complaining life is unfair.

    Here is some news for you. “The right” controls all branches of government. “The right” controlled the federal bureaucracy for 8 years pre Obama and it controls it again. “The right” has controlled congress for 6 years.

    But you blame “the left” because nobody is interested in implementing your bad ideas? Take responsibility for your own inability to fix the problems you see. Stop blaming “the left” for your own failed ideas/leaders.

    One more thing, try to realize something. Most “red states” take more federal tax money then they bring in. “Rural Red state” population suck at the teat of the government more than anyone.

    Comment by mike — June 9, 2017 @ 1:16 am - June 9, 2017

  6. I think mike lives in an alternate universe. Why does he even come to this site if he hates us all so much? Oh…and for being a leftist, his whole ,”Let me be the man in this relationship,” schtik is very sexist…we need to turn him in to his SJW friends for sensitivity training and reprogramming.

    Comment by TAD — June 9, 2017 @ 2:43 am - June 9, 2017

  7. “50 Ways to Leave Your Lover”, “Breaking up is Hard to do”

    Comment by Pawfurbehr — June 9, 2017 @ 6:22 am - June 9, 2017

  8. TAD — I sometimes wonder if mike is a troll doing a spot-on parody of a dimwit leftist spouting conspiracy theories and talking points and devoid of the capability for critical thought.

    Comment by V the K — June 9, 2017 @ 6:35 am - June 9, 2017

  9. Cities, and that is what we are talking about here, cannot exist without the hinterlands. A look at the 2016 election results by county point out that the vast majority of blue areas are urban and they do not produce food nor have their own fuel supplies. Everything that allows them to live comes from red areas so how are they going to exist? Even their electricity comes from red areas these days because the blue areas don’t want those nasty power plants in their back yard.

    I would give these places a week or less before the riots started if the trucks stopped rolling in. In that case I don’t think the doorman will keep the thugs out of the fancy apartment buildings, in fact the doorman will probably join the thugs. Antifas think they are tough but they just kidding themselves, real bad guys will mop the floor with them. Just my humble opinion.

    Comment by John — June 9, 2017 @ 10:14 am - June 9, 2017

  10. the liberals can’t secede, they could never afford the dole with having the “rubes” working to pay for it.

    Comment by salg — June 9, 2017 @ 10:24 am - June 9, 2017

  11. One thing mike is forgetting: military spending, which accounts for much of the total. Because there are more military bases in red states than there are in blue states, of course red states receive more federal money.

    Then there is the roll of federal policy in impoverishing individuals, thus creating the very need for, you guessed it, federal programs: https://mises.org/blog/which-states-rely-most-federal-spending.

    As for “bad ideas,” remind me: Under whose watch has the federal debt crept above $20 trillion? That’s “trillion” with a “tr.”

    Comment by Samuel Gaines — June 9, 2017 @ 11:20 am - June 9, 2017

  12. The only national divorce possible on the horizon is less than 2% of the population hostile to the COTUS, the Bill of Rights and the rule of law being forced to emigrate to the socialist craphole of their choice. If it’s true about the swinging of the pendulum, I foresee at least two generations of adherence to the COTUS and the rule of law, probably more, thanks to electronic media and the rendering of the culturally marxist 2%ers politically and economically impotent in November 2016.

    Comment by rjligier — June 9, 2017 @ 11:54 am - June 9, 2017

  13. As others have said, I don’t think liberals would be willing to support a split – unless, of course, they got the borders they wanted, special treatment, and didn’t have to cover any of the debt they incurred …
    In contrast, I think there are quite a few conservatives that would happily let the east and west coast go their separate ways. I have heard some people talking about it and how they would allow it to get back freedom and get the liberals off their backs.

    Comment by Jonathan — June 9, 2017 @ 4:51 pm - June 9, 2017

  14. Lefties like “mike” love to toss out the tax-per-capita crap without much thought.

    Unless we break down how and where these federal tax dollars are spent and sourced, it’s a stupid argument.

    For example, some of the “tax eating” states also possess certain demographics so mike’s argument is racist.

    Some “tax eating” states are sparsely populated so the money is spent largely on infrastructure (i.e. roads to get arugula to the Bay area).

    A lot of the money that California sends to the feds comes from outside of CA (does Mikey think Apple, Intel, etc. sell all their products only in CA?). Oh, and there are defense jobs in CA that the rest of us are paying for.

    Ditto for NY. Where does all the money sluiced through Wall Street come from?

    I’d like to see how California, the country, will do once its defense contractors withdraw to what’s left of the US.

    If CA wants to create a single-payer system for medical care, I say let ’em have at it – at its expense. My hope is that, before secession, the governments of the remaining states let their populations know that CA is offering free healthcare. Medicaid is expensive.

    If CA wants to impose even more environmental regulation on its own people AND send millions to third-world countries (actually, their despots) – go for it.

    As the left becomes more deranged and intolerant, a divorce may be the best outcome we can hope for.

    Comment by KCRob — June 9, 2017 @ 7:53 pm - June 9, 2017

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