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Freedom for Me, But Not for Thee

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A Pro-Donald Trump gay group was denied an application to host a float in a gay pride parade.

A spokesperson for Charlotte Pride issued a statement to Fox 46 defending its right to “decline participation at our events to groups or organizations which do not reflect the mission, vision and values of our organization.”

Gee, too bad Christian bakers and florists aren’t accorded that same right.

Anyone enough to remember when gay rights groups sued to force other people to let them march in their parades?

Comments

  2. “gay rights groups sued to force other people to let them march in their parades”

    Yeah like the South Boston St. Patrick’s Day Parade.

  5. …“decline participation at our events to groups or organizations which do not reflect the mission, vision and values of our organization.”

    The Trump administration is the most pro-gay in history. This is proof that “…the mission, vision and values of [our] organization” has nothing to do with ‘gay issues.’

  6. Insofar as it’s freedom of association, I’m OK with this.

    Insofar as it’s hypocrisy – Not so much.

    “Gay People Are Disgusting Hypocrites, Volume 342, Chapter 1,888,650.”

  7. The ironic thing is that this is in Charlotte, home to the ‘Everybody Is Free To Pee, You & Me’ pro-tranny ordinance that was beat back in the NC legislature a year ago. Because of the non-repeal repeal which happened in this year’s legislature, there is a multi-year moratorium on any new antidiscrimination ordinances from non-state governmental bodies. So that the same people who are hyperventilating over the injustice of what is commonly known as HB 2 and its non-repeal repeal are actually being protected from having uncomfortable truths shown to them in an open court or other public body.

    The next battleground in antidiscrimination legislation will be viewpoint discrimination. That’s somewhat vaguely covered with protections for political speech and religious protections, but to the best of my knowledge, it has never been litigated to an extensive degree nor comprehensively included in antidiscrimination protections. I can understand the arguments against antidiscrimination legislation, even though I don’t agree with them, but if you’re going to have them they should be comprehensive and not actually discriminate against a group of people. To that end, I hope that more people start demanding that this type of coverage be included in protections. Outside of campaign seasons, anyone should feel free to decorate their non-public workspace with positive expressions of personal belief, as an example.

    Not sure these efforts are covered by Freedom Of Association; does FOA also include “Freedom To Not Associate”? If so, then that should pretty much invalidate the 1964 Civil Rights Act and make a strong case for separate restrooms and drinking fountains based on race or religion, just for starters.

    As to the numbnuts in Charlotte who don’t want their inclusivity festival to include worshipers of Not-My-Tiny-Hands-And-Tiny-D!ck-President, well, I hope they are very well-funded, since the next logical step is for those who have been excluded to go to those institutional sponsors and ask them why they wish to sponsor an event that discriminates.

    On a personal note, I can recall attending an organizing session for a national event more than 20 years ago where it was discussed which groups were acceptable to participate. The mention of Log Cabin Republicans was made, and the dominant POV was “Well, at least they’re not NAM/BLA.” I think it may be safe to say that in 2017, even LCR would be a hard sell for some of the organizers of today’s events.

  8. Reminds me of how the Pink Pistols are often treated in Pride Parades.

    Not to cast aspersions on the implied connotations of this statement, but I witnessed the SF Freedom Day Parade [or whatever the 21st Century word salad name is for it] two years ago and the Pink Pistols contingent was small (no more than 20 or so people), but visible and I didn’t hear any negative comments or catcalls, at least from where I was observing. They were placed in towards the end of the parade, but I don’t necessarily see that as a bad thing (and having organized many types of events over the years, I can say that everyone wants to be first or in front, but it’s just not possible).

  9. Freedom Of Association; does FOA also include “Freedom To Not Associate”?

    It should. I’m not saying it does under the law. But morally, yes. Freedom of association doesn’t mean the power to force your company on whomever you like; it means the reverse – their freedom to avoid you, if they don’t like you. Any act of association should be 100% voluntary for both parties.

    then that should pretty much invalidate the 1964 Civil Rights Act

    Correct.
    (Well, really more the 1965 but the point is, some very unconstitutional legislation happened.)

    and make a strong case for separate restrooms and drinking fountains based on race or religion, just for starters.

    Public or private facilities?

    – Private – Yes, absolutely. It’s called “The bathroom in your home”. You already discriminate against all kinds of people you don’t like.
    – Public – That’s a stickier issue. If a democratic majority wants separate facilities based on XYZ, then yes. But most people only want separate facilities based on one thing, gender. Which we have (and which I presume you’re OK with). So, yes – when clear majorities want it.

    The issue with parades is that they do use public facilities; BUT, only temporarily – only for a particular group to have a moment where it conveys its message. It’s reasonable to let the group convey the message they want; not have it confused by forced association.

    So yes, Gay Pride should be able to exclude Trump supporters if they want – AND, St. Patrick’s should be able to exclude gays, if they want. That’s a consistent position.

  11. V the K (#10), the Koran actually accords fair respect in general (not to the specific tribes who fought Mohammad) to Christians and Jews as “People of the Book”, meaning they had a book revealed by the same God as Islam. (And Islam, of course, declares that there is only one God–as do the Christians and the Jews.) Their proper status is dhimmi (lower category in society with special [=higher] taxes and with restrictions), but not infidels who could be forced to convert. The terrorists/jihadis have falsified Islam there.

  12. So yes, Gay Pride should be able to exclude Trump supporters if they want – AND, St. Patrick’s should be able to exclude gays, if they want. That’s a consistent position.

    It is, but often not relevant to the issue, since the ‘public’ aspect of discrimination often revolves around the provision of public services and public spaces, such as permits and public safety personnel. IIRC, this is why the organizers of the St Patrick’s parades in Boston and NYC got sued in the first place. Of course, First Amendment absolutists will contest the need such things as a permit in the first place, but as we’ve seen with the ‘peaceful’ riots in Beserkley, et al, there can be made a compelling argument for such requirements in the first place.

  13. I thought this quote from RuPaul was interesting:

    I will tell you exactly what [Trump is] doing. He’s playing big-boy dress-up drag. That’s what he’s doing and he’s not doing it very well. The thing is this, what people are relating to, it’s kind of like Stockholm Syndrome where the good old boys’ club, which has been running this world for so long, say when Mama moves her boyfriend into the house, because he looks like a big strong man, but the kids all know he’s faking it? The guy is faking it. Mama moves this guy into the house because he’s got a big dick. And he presents himself in that old school way that Mama grew up thinking the way a man should behave. That’s what America is experiencing. America is like Mama, and she is trying to feel like a woman again, trying to feel like the concept of a woman that she grew up with. But that’s done. So he’s playing that role. He’s playing the role of the big strong man who knows how to run things. But the truth is, that’s done. It’s done forever, and Mama’s going to pay. But the kind of drag he’s doing, he’s playing dress-up good old boy’s first time in the White House drag.

  15. People tend to forget that the “Jim Crow” laws were laws. Laws passed by a Democratic Party run government intent on controlling what people did. They are still trying to control what people do.

  17. Pride Parades generally seem to embrace only leftist extremes these days. The Albuquerque Pride Parade was yesterday June 10th.

    Included in the local TV coverage of the parade was about 10 seconds showing the The Party for Socialism and Liberation – Albuquerque float entry. “Dedicated to building a new revolutionary workers’ party in the heartland of world imperialism”

    A couple of large red Hammer & Sickle symbols were held up for all to see.

    The parade coverage included an interview with NM Senator Martin Heinrich flapping his gums about how bad Trump is and how good Comey is.

    Sick. An embarrassment. All of them.