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President Trump should fire Special Counsel Mueller

In the Watergate scandal of 4 decades ago, there were actual crimes at the heart of it.

  1. Five men, working for President Nixon’s campaign, broke into the other side’s headquarters to steal files and set up wiretaps.
  2. They were exposed and suffered consequences; but the consequences needed to reach up to Nixon as well, because he had known/approved their actions on some level, and lied to the nation (in denying his knowledge).
  3. In addition, the Nixon administration had spied on (and/or harassed) domestic opponents through the FBI, CIA and IRS.

In Bill Clinton’s impeachment 2 decades ago, there were actual crimes at the heart of it.

  • His conducting an affair with Monica Lewinsky in the Oval Office, while disgraceful, was not a crime.
  • But then Clinton and Lewinsky committed perjury – Lying while under oath, in sworn depositions in another matter (Paula Jones’ lawsuit). Also, they asked others to commit the crime of perjury. That’s what “obstruction of justice” looks like.

In both cases, there was something real to investigate and punish. In President Trump’s present situation, there isn’t. Trump’s only “crime” is that he won the election.

We already know because the Obama administration (like the Nixon administration) used the intelligence agencies against its domestic opponents. The Obama administration surveilled the living daylights out of the Trump campaign – using any excuse they could they could think of, “oh this is just incidental to surveilling someone else” – then carefully “unmasked” and circulated the data. That’s precisely why we have been treated to so many leaks to the media, these last several months, about who-met-when-with-whom.

And they’ve turned up nothing. There’s nothing there. No collusion with Russia. We know already.

The only other thing that Trump MAY have done (because we still have only one side of the story), is if he hurt the feelings of James “Leaker” Comey by expressing a polite “hope” that Comey wouldn’t prove to be a ridiculous butthole toward General Flynn. Big. Deal. Even by Comey’s account: No, Trump didn’t suborn anyone to wrongdoing.

As such, Special Counsel Mueller’s investigation into these matters is a waste of time and resources that would be much better spent investigating the crimes of the Obama administration. Not only the spying and other harassment of domestic opponents, but also the Obama administration’s collusion with Hillary Clinton in covering up (or failing to prosecute) her many crimes; such as the Clinton Foundation pay-for-play corruption, Hillary’s willful and large-scale security breaches (that should have been prosecuted and weren’t – why not?), and more.

The purposes of Special Counsel Mueller are entirely political.

  1. Have a monkey on Trump’s back, instead of Obama’s and Hillary’s backs where it belongs.
  2. Have a monkey on Trump’s back, so that he will be unable to accomplish his campaign promises (infrastructure rebuild, tax reform, Obamacare reform, immigration / The Wall, smashing ISIS).
  3. Throw 1,000 lawyers at Trump and his key associates, so that eventually they will trip up in some “process” crime of not having responded with utter perfection, every time.

That’s how the game works. You just keep adding lawyers until you create a problem. Humans are forgetful, sloppy and flawed by nature. If you add enough lawyers, you are 100% guaranteed to catch someone in some inconsistency, eventually. It doesn’t matter whom you’re looking into. In this way, you can subvert or reject the result of an election.

If Trump were to fire Mueller, the controversy would be enormous but a lot of people would understand. Now including myself.

Under present circumstances, it would be reasonable and just. Let the Democrats demagogue their violent, insane “base” about it, and let the other half(-plus) of the country get on with the grownups’ business.

UPDATE: A prediction from Newt Gingrich that before it’s over, we’ll need a Special Counsel to investigate the Special Counsel.

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25 Comments

  1. Republicans are gleefully going along with Demonrats to take down Trump. I don’t think they realize that if they don’t help Trump accomplish at least some of the things he was elected to do, their voters will punish them.

    Democrats know this, too. Which gives them extra incentive to throw everything they have at Trump and stop anything from being accomplished legislatively.

    Comment by V the K — June 17, 2017 @ 1:19 pm - June 17, 2017

  2. This becomes especially more reasonable when one considers that the only reason why there is a special counsel in the first place is because Comey supposedly wrote a memo, which he never did before, despite all the questionable activity of Eric Holder and Loretta Lynch, let alone the day of questioning of Hillary Clinton, then deliberately leaked the information to the press and destroyed the memo (Hey, isn’t that against the law?) SPECIFICALLY to get a Special Counsel appointed.

    Now that we see that this was all caused by Comey’s illegal actions, shouldn’t Comey be investigated rather than Trump?

    Comment by Craig Smith — June 17, 2017 @ 1:23 pm - June 17, 2017

  3. None of this will end until whatbyou have said most definitely occurs. The truth is, that with the election of Obama, the Deep State liberal progressives thought it was guaranteed that we would never have another Republican, white male president. They firmly believed that from now on they would only have minority and female presidents who could and would continue and fulfill they’re desired creation of a Marxist American utopia. They got cocky, and on some level they have to know it. So, now, as has occurred in every socio-communist government rise, they are going to do everything in their power to delegitimize the current leadership until before too long, as happened in 19th century Russia, suddenly the state owns everything and millions of people are dead.

    Comment by TAD — June 17, 2017 @ 1:27 pm - June 17, 2017

  4. Craig, exactly. BTW – are you sure he destroyed the memo? so Congress can’t see it now? I hadn’t heard that (yet).

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — June 17, 2017 @ 1:30 pm - June 17, 2017

  5. sorry v the k Watergate was nothing more then a partisan political witch hunt, Benghazi proved that. if Nixon had been a democrat nobody would have ever heard of Watergate.

    Comment by salg — June 17, 2017 @ 2:16 pm - June 17, 2017

  6. But that wouldn’t end the investigation any more than Comey’s firing did. Mueller, if fired, will be replaced by someone else. And then someone else.

    Comment by Brendan — June 17, 2017 @ 2:57 pm - June 17, 2017

  7. “President Trump should fire Special Counsel Mueller”

    The only problem with that is this message from Democrat Adam Shiff;
    “The top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, Rep. Adam Schiff (Calif.), fired back at reports that President Trump is considering firing FBI special counsel Robert Mueller with a simple message to the president: “Don’t waste our time.”

    “If President [Trump] fired Bob Mueller, Congress would immediately re-establish independent counsel and appoint Bob Mueller,” Schiff tweeted Monday evening. “Don’t waste our time.”

    http://thehill.com/homenews/house/337517-top-intel-dem-to-trump-dont-waste-our-time-considering-firing-mueller

    Comment by The Poetry Man — June 17, 2017 @ 3:10 pm - June 17, 2017

  8. IF the Repugnants were conservative AND had a set, they would call for a Special Counsel to investigate the Shrillary Clintoon server, the Clinton Foundation pay-for-play and Loretta Lynch’s tarmac visit with Bill Clintoon and obstruction of justice.

    We can handle a phony witch hunt and a real witch hunt at the same time.

    Comment by Heliotrope — June 17, 2017 @ 3:15 pm - June 17, 2017

  9. If Trump were a better communicator he could fire Mueller. If he had the wherewithal to have Bannon write up something cogent to address the nation he could fire Comey’s buddy in a hot second. He’ll learn to play hardball eventually. If it were me, I’d put the screws on the Congressional GOP demanding they cease & desist. Threatening to cancel pet projects or in the case of the Dems there, precious entitlement programs that previously have not been mentioned.

    As it is, he needs to just make it clear that he considers the “investigations” as just Congressional ephemera, which they are indeed.

    Congress “investigates”. They’re the top bureaucrats, it’s what they do. They were all we had for 8 years, I think too many people expect too much from them. Even though I’m a staunch (the bloodflow) Conservative, I realize that purist Constitutional intent on the powers of the branches of government is a joke. It was okay before the Civil War when there was really nothing substantially happening & we were a backwater. A president is so much more now because reality requires it.

    Trump needs to focus. Focus on the Wall. Focus on a straight Repeal of Obamacare. We only cheered his plan during the campaign because his it included repeal of the Mandate. Nobody said it all had to happen at the same time.

    Focus, Mr. President. He’s upsetting Ann Coulter.

    Comment by Hanover — June 17, 2017 @ 4:30 pm - June 17, 2017

  10. “If President [Trump] fired Bob Mueller, Congress would immediately re-establish independent counsel and appoint Bob Mueller,” Schiff tweeted Monday evening. “Don’t waste our time.”

    Fair point. A couple points in response.

    First, Rep. Adam Schiff himself should probably be under investigation. So, let’s add him to the list. Let’s investigate him, too. For months, he has been confirming (and maybe initiating) leaks of classified information to the media. Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander.

    Second – I would be fine with “wasting his time” in the manner described. If the Special Counsel is a Congressional and bureaucratic witch-hunt on Trump – and I think it is – let’s be open about that fact. Force Schiff and his ilk to be more blatant. In today’s climate, I see no reason for Trump to be such a good sport.

    Third – as people have noted recently in other threads, Mueller has a conflict of interest under the law (in his being Comey’s close ally, for years). If Congress re-appointed Mueller, Trump could then legally challenge the appointment of Mueller as such. Let it be so!

    We can handle a phony witch hunt and a real witch hunt at the same time.

    Indeed. A good alternate proposal would be:

    1. Let Mueller continue to investigate Trump. AND,
    2. Appoint a special counsel to investigate Obama intelligence abuses (2016 election interference).
    3. Appoint a special counsel to investigate Obama IRS abuses (his punishment of his domestic opponents).
    4. Appoint a special counsel to investigate Clinton Foundation corruption, and whatever happened with Comey, the FBI and the DOJ to make them overlook it so much.
    5. Appoint a special counsel to investigate Loretta Lynch’s interference in the FBI investigation of the Clinton e-mail scandal.
    6. Appoint a special counsel to track down all the Washington leakers, including the Congressional ones, with Rep. Adam Schiff on the list of “persons of interest”.

    Six special counsels, one a baloney witch hunt on Trump, the other five looking into real and important instances of Democrat abuses of power. I’d settle for that.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — June 17, 2017 @ 5:12 pm - June 17, 2017

  11. Hi Love Capitalism,
    “First, Rep. Adam Schiff himself should probably be under investigation. So, let’s add him to the list. Let’s investigate him, too.”

    Yes, all those Democratic Party Congressmen and women should be investigated. Leaking! Of course the defensive leaking by supporters of the President will be immediately backed up by the President’s power to declassify anything he wants. Ho hum…

    Well, he has a Republican appointed deputy AG. And I am sure Sessions is game–so why not do it ILoveCapitalism? I got an idea or two why not. a. those people you want investigated are not in power, so why waste the resources; b. it will just look like early Soviet history show trial drama, with early demands for investigations … So the optics of your request look really really bad …

    If I remember correctly, the Lewinsky investigation happened because Starr found nothing on the issue that he was originally hired to look at for illegalities (1994), and looked into President Clinton’s perjury allegations (1997+).

    Comment by Cas — June 17, 2017 @ 5:34 pm - June 17, 2017

  12. Leftists think if he fires Mueller that they will win 80 seats.

    Lynch asked Comey to lie and he did, TRUMP asked him to tell the truth but he didnt

    https://www.longroom.com/discussion/538139/rights-groups-demand-cities-nationwide-paint-permanent-rainbow-crosswalks-make-taxpayers-pay

    Seriously does anyone realize how much maintainence it will require to keep these from looking like crap?

    Comment by Steve — June 17, 2017 @ 5:50 pm - June 17, 2017

  13. 2.This becomes especially more reasonable when one considers that the only reason why there is a special counsel in the first place is because Comey supposedly wrote a memo, which he never did before

    Dear Comey Diary: Today Crooked Eye Clinton & I shared a 5yo Haitian down at Comet Ping Pong. Yesterday I was looking thru Clinton’s emails and found my suicide note.

    Comment by Steve — June 17, 2017 @ 5:52 pm - June 17, 2017

  14. I can see the use of special counsels but their scope of interest should be narrow and specific. If they see a need to broaden scope then their should be some process of approval.

    As it is, these things quickly mutate into gargantuan and expensive exercises bound and determined to get someone for something (remember Scooter Libby?). Once the source of the Valerie Pflame, 007, leak was discovered (Richard Armitage), the special counsel should have been shut down and shown the door. (Actually, I think Patrick Fitzgerald knew the source of the leak at the beginning.)

    We’re headed for rough water (economy, foreign disasters, social decay) and the only people that will suffer from a paralyzed Executive branch and Congressional bickering will be We The People, left, right, and center. Mueller, Comey, Ryan, Schiff, and the rest of the swamp creatures will come out just fine no matter what.

    As far as Russian “influence”, I wish I could see a list of specifics (items not proved to be utter crap) and the a comparison between Russian influence, Mexican influence, and Saudi influence via the Clinton Foundation.

    And I’m trying to figure out how poking the Russian bear is in any way in our national interest.

    Comment by KCRob — June 17, 2017 @ 6:14 pm - June 17, 2017

  15. From V the K

    Republicans are gleefully. . .

    Rep. Trey Gowdy, the new chair of the House Oversight Committee, is keen on keeping a distance from President Trump due to the ongoing investigations into Russian interference in the 2016 election and potential ties to the Trump campaign and is a fan of the man running the federal probe.

    During an interview with the Wall Street Journal this week, Gowdy, R-S.C., said that given his involvement in committees running exploring issues involving the president that it would be “better for everyone involved” if he kept his distance from Trump.

    Gowdy’s reluctance to sit down with the president stands in contrast to the last chairman of the oversight panel, Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, who met Trump one-on-one earlier this year.

    Gowdy also praised special counsel Robert Mueller as being “your quintessential straight arrow,” which is notable as Trump is reportedly looking to fire Mueller.

    Comment by rusty — June 17, 2017 @ 8:13 pm - June 17, 2017

  16. http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trey-gowdy-robert-mueller-is-your-quintessential-straight-arrow/article/2626294

    Comment by rusty — June 17, 2017 @ 8:14 pm - June 17, 2017

  17. @5 ILC, the FBI has been unable to locate the memos on their servers. I doubt if they existed and implicated Trump as the leak suggested, that they would withhold them. The fact that they claim they are unable to locate them says one of two things:

    1) He destroyed the memos, or

    2) He lied about them existing in the first place, and leaked a confidential conversation with the president.

    Comment by Craig Smith — June 17, 2017 @ 8:30 pm - June 17, 2017

  18. @6 The Special Counsel is appointed by the DOJ at the direction of the AG. If the Special Counsel were fired, no, he would not be replaced.

    Comment by Craig Smith — June 17, 2017 @ 8:32 pm - June 17, 2017

  19. #3 seems about right & I think that’s what they’re aiming for because they know there’s nothing in substance.

    Comment by Kate — June 17, 2017 @ 9:17 pm - June 17, 2017

  20. After scanning Cas circular & flawed Democrat Media talking points like an old hairball that’s hardened under the coffee table I’ll take Cray’s opinion any day. It’s important that people at least have an understanding of the basics. I’m ashamed to have been harsh with Cray, at this point.

    Comment by Hanover — June 17, 2017 @ 9:26 pm - June 17, 2017

  21. I’m ashamed to have been harsh with Cray, at this point.

    I appreciate your honesty. I’m a bit shocked and humbled by this if I can be frank.

    If I remember correctly, the Lewinsky investigation happened because Starr found nothing on the issue that he was originally hired to look at for illegalities (1994), and looked into President Clinton’s perjury allegations (1997+).

    I could see a scenario where the special prosecutor in this case ends up going after Trump for something non-related to the Russian scandal. I guess we’ll have to wait and see how this all plays out. I guess the three possibilities are: a) another Watergate, b) another Monica-gate, or c) no impeachment before 2020. Right now, “c” would be surprising, considering the passion on the left. But, it’s possible. And hindsight is always 20/20. Though, there are many already thinking “c.” There are many convinced of “a.” I guess I’ll spit the difference and go with “b.” But, I also see Trump seeking (there are already indicators of this) and winning reelection in 2020 (he won’t lose unless the Dems can put fourth a convincing and charismatic possibility; not sure Harris will be ready to be sold to the public just yet), and “b” doesn’t coincide with that as much as “c” does. But, I suppose the not impossible scenario of 2018 giving us a Dem house, finding some sort of smoking gun to impeach the president at the house level, but failing with the (possibly still Repub) Senate, and getting reelected in 2020 is possible.

    I don’t think the public giving the U.S. a Dem house in 2018, a prosecutor finding a “technicality” a Dem house would use to impeach Trump (but a Repub senate not impeaching on), and Trump still getting reelected is that much of a reach. Maybe it is?

    Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — June 18, 2017 @ 1:20 am - June 18, 2017

  22. Leading story on MSN-Bing tonight was that if the attorney general or special counsel is fired by Trump, congress will begin impeachment proceedings.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ted-lieu-says-congress-will-start-impeachment-process-if-trump-fires-investigators/ar-BBCOpZ7?li=BBnb7Kz

    Comment by TAD — June 18, 2017 @ 3:23 am - June 18, 2017

  23. Cas @ #11.:

    a. those people you want investigated are not in power, so why waste the resources;

    b. it will just look like early Soviet history show trial drama, with early demands for investigations … So the optics of your request look really really bad …

    Translation:

    a.) They slipped the noose so screw the concept of the rule of law.

    b.) This is what dictators do. When your political opponents have slipped the noose, you must forgive and forget. Those in power must obey the law unless they are our people in power, in which case, they must have had a just cause. But, if your guy gets elected, fair and square, we must run him to ground and beat him senseless with a process crime club. Investigate his toenail fungus, investigate his hair dye, investigate his warts, investigate his stools, investigate until we find something. We can’t find something unless we investigate. We must not believe him. We must not believe those who do not hate him. We must not give the sucker any sort of a break, let alone an even break. The charges of impropriety are of very, very serious stuff and we have to work, work, work, the whole day through to find a thread that leads to the can of whoop ass. But not if they are Progressive and/or have slipped the noose. To go after old Progressive crooks who have sorta, kinda mellowed is just mean. Real Neanderthal hateful deplorable mean.

    Comment by Heliotrope — June 18, 2017 @ 5:51 am - June 18, 2017

  24. Hey CrayCrayPatriot,
    ” But, it’s possible. And hindsight is always 20/20. ” and that suggests 2020, so c… 🙂

    Comment by Cas — June 19, 2017 @ 1:36 am - June 19, 2017

  25. OK Heliotrope.

    Comment by Cas — June 19, 2017 @ 1:37 am - June 19, 2017

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