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Leftie reporters suddenly worry about their safety

I’ve seen some CNN people do this too; but enough about them. The Atlantic editor, Jeffrey Goldberg, recently claimed that President Trump will be responsible for violence against journalists. Here’s his case:

“Well, part of my reaction is that we’re are all engaged in a reality TV show. That this is a reality TV version of a war between the president and the press,” Goldberg said in an interview with Yahoo! News’ Katie Couric.

“The problem is, and this is what I worry about more than anything else, is that there are people in the country who don’t understand that this a cynical reality TV game,” Goldberg said. “And are going to hear over and over again from the president that the reporters, journalists are enemies of the state… and someone is going to do something violent against journalists in a large way, and then I know where the fault lies.”

First, President Trump never said that journalists are enemies of the State. No, no no. He said this:

The FAKE NEWS media (failing @nytimes, @NBCNews, @ABC, @CBS, @CNN) is not my enemy, it is the enemy of the American People!

Trump’s plain meaning is that *poor* journalists undermine American democracy with false or deceptive reporting. That’s emotional, but fair.

Moreover, Trump has yet to prosecute a single journalist. President Obama prosecuted three times as many as all previous Presidents combined. Per The New York Times:

Over the past eight years, the [Obama] administration has prosecuted nine cases involving whistle-blowers and leakers, compared with only three by all previous administrations combined…

Under Mr. Obama, the Justice Department and the F.B.I. have spied on reporters by monitoring their phone records, labeled one journalist an unindicted co-conspirator in a criminal case for simply doing reporting and issued subpoenas to other reporters to try to force them to reveal their sources and testify in criminal cases.

So Mr. Goldberg, you can now check off that “be dramatically, hypocritically, self-importantly paranoid” item on your bucket list.

Next, consider the logic. “If someone is going to do something violent…I know where the fault lies.” Has Goldberg just admitted that left-wing journalists are responsible for political violence that has already happened in America? Such the attempted murder of Rep. Steve Scalise by a media-inflamed Bernie bro?

And people like Milo and Ann Coulter already have to spend hundreds of thousands per year, on security. (I recently saw Milo quote a figure of $500k/year.) Would that be the fault of yourself or the left-wing media in general, Mr. Goldberg?

UPDATE: More from James O’Keefe and Stefan Molyneux.

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  1. The best part is TRUMP has them so in disarray they don’t even notice what he accomplishes.

    The tweets are more brilliant because few are noticing Trump, is again, controlling the narrative by having the media, the cucks, and the rest run around making a big fuss about something insubstantial.

    Like his yarmulke at the wailing wall, he signaled like a big flashing neon sign and it took a couple of weeks for even Breitbart to notice the Embassy isn’t moving to Jerusalem.

    Mega-cuckservatives like Bush who talked right but didn’t act. Trump signals left – either to create an annoyance cascade or do something that shuts the opposition up for a while (like the meaningless Syria cruise missile thing), and while everyone is busy covering the signal, Trump runs the ball across the field into the goal zone.

    Comment by Steve — June 30, 2017 @ 3:53 pm - June 30, 2017

  2. Hi ILoveCapitalism,

    “First, President Trump never said that journalists are enemies of the State. No, no no. He said this: The FAKE NEWS media… is the enemy of the American People!

    Trump’s plain meaning is that *poor* journalists undermine American democracy with false or deceptive reporting. That’s emotional, but fair.”

    Though I can understand how you get to your point, I beg to differ. “Enemy of the People” is a very loaded term, ILikeCapitalism; not a harmless one. Consider the view expressed in this link.

    I can’t help but think of the reporter who was assaulted by a recently elected member of the House of Representatives to think that violence against journalists is not an empty anxiety.

    Finally, it is interesting that Donald Trump brands journalists “enemies of the people” given the origins of the term. Somewhere, a Thomas Stockmann is girding his loins …

    Comment by Cas — June 30, 2017 @ 3:57 pm - June 30, 2017

  3. This is a coordinated campaign of deflection. The left wing wants to deflect from real incidents of left wing violence by claiming to be terrified of the possibility of right wing violence.

    Comment by V the K — June 30, 2017 @ 4:02 pm - June 30, 2017

  4. This just confirms what we already know: Progressives are unhinged. Progressives only hang out with Progressives. Therefore, they assume everyone is unhinged. The main reason Progressives are gun grabbers : they don’t trust (and rightly so) members of their own social group.

    I love, just love, the false equivalency Cas presents. More proof, Progressives are unhinged.

    Comment by tnnsne1 — June 30, 2017 @ 4:49 pm - June 30, 2017

  5. What false equivalency are you referring to here, tnnsne1?

    Comment by Cas — June 30, 2017 @ 4:54 pm - June 30, 2017

  6. Cas, taken by itself, the phrase “[they] are enemies of the American People” does indeed sound like old style USSR talk when they used the word “People” as in “People’s Republic” (btw, isn’t that an oxymoron? A Republic is a representative government, rather than a Democracy where the People actually rule).

    However, the phrase before, “[It] is not my enemy” changes the meaning of the second. You can’t be an enemy of The People as the old USSR would put it without also being an enemy of Trump.

    More to the point, he clarifies and limits it to the purveyors of Fake News. Prager University defines it pretty well.

    So, was he condemning the Press et al? And suggesting violence against them? Of course not! He clearly was saying that the biased press is doing a disservice to the American People by not telling them the unvarnished truth. That makes them an enemy of the American People’s ability to decide for themselves.

    Comment by Craig Smith — June 30, 2017 @ 5:34 pm - June 30, 2017

  7. It’s rich that the media that had zero problem inciting riots by peddling lies (see Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, etc) which cost once-anonymous people their freedom and jobs (the cop that shot Brown, **justifiably**, lost his ability to work in his chosen profession and is forced to remain in hiding) whining about “safety”.

    Is this the same media that decided to publish names and addresses of gun owners near NYC a few years back – putting more nobodies in jeopardy?

    I’d prefer that DJT just ignore the media but my heart is cold when it comes to the media’s whining.

    Comment by KCRob — June 30, 2017 @ 6:17 pm - June 30, 2017

  8. Befoe the election Trump said it was rigged. I knew he meant the process was rigged with the media automatically against him with some of them outright saying they would throw their “objectivity” out to keep him from being elected. The media has been against conservatives for quite some time (not that Trump is a conservative).

    The media has never given Trump a chance and are their own worst enemies in this. If they were “fair” the public would be much more against Trump but their own actions show his supporters they deserve what they are getting. They discounted Obama’s uncivil actions and I certainly don’t feel bad for them crying out Trump.

    Comment by eeyore — June 30, 2017 @ 6:50 pm - June 30, 2017

  9. Cas is either being coy or ignorant. You choose.

    Comment by TnnsNe1 — June 30, 2017 @ 6:51 pm - June 30, 2017

  10. “Journalists” are afraid for THEIR safety?

    Oh my, where was their concern for safety when the published the home address of officers involved in shootings?

    Where was their concern when they reported, in an interactive online map, the home addresses of legal gun owners?

    Where was their concern when they reported on what US and Ally troops were doing and telling the enemy?

    I do hope they are running scared. Maybe, just maybe, they might start to think twice before they do more reckless reporting.

    Na, that is just wishful thinking on my part – they will never think about their own actions and how they hurt others.

    Comment by charles — June 30, 2017 @ 6:58 pm - June 30, 2017

  11. You can tell that the Ivory Towers are being demolished when the purveyors of hatred and inciting to riot (the MSM, Academia, etc.) are suddenly afraid for their own safety for statements nowhere near as inciting as what they have dished out for years.

    Comment by Craig Smith — June 30, 2017 @ 7:10 pm - June 30, 2017

  12. Hi Craig Smith. Thank you for the reply.

    “However, the phrase before, “[It] is not my enemy” changes the meaning of the second. You can’t be an enemy of The People as the old USSR would put it without also being an enemy of Trump.”

    Yep, I can see how that might be so. Would you be open to another interpretation? Basically, Donald Trump sees journalists as enemies of the People, of which he is one as both citizen AND as political representative. Journalists are not his enemy as Donald Trump; they are his enemy, when he identifies with “We the People.” If so, violence to defend the body politic is not necessarily unreasonable.

    Thankfully, we are not at the stage where “Donald Trump est l’état.” Would I be right in concluding that you also disagree with ILoveCapitalism’s dismissal of the issue, because President Trump did not use the term “enemies of the state”?

    Also, I looked at the Praeger U video. It was a nice summary, thank you. Though I see bias on the Left as you do most clearly, I also see bias on the Right. Is crap on the right any better than crap on the left? Nope. I have to use my critical functions and research methodologies to get at the best approximation of the truth that I can find. What interests me is the way this bias supports particular world views. Left or right, the media tends to serve the interests of large oligopolistically organized economic interests and the elites that benefit from them. And those are the political interests that tend to be supported. It works from both sides of the ideological divide.

    Comment by Cas — June 30, 2017 @ 7:26 pm - June 30, 2017

  13. Hi Tnnse1–Just a mirror to you.

    Comment by Cas — June 30, 2017 @ 7:28 pm - June 30, 2017

  14. Has anyone else noticed how Cas will never admit to an error of Progressives without equating the error with an action on the right?

    Comment by TnnsNe1 — June 30, 2017 @ 8:56 pm - June 30, 2017

  15. Left or right, the media tends to serve the interests of large oligopolistically organized economic interests and the elites that benefit from them. And those are the political interests that tend to be supported. It works from both sides of the ideological divide.

    Thank you.

    I think anyone with two eyes can see that there are tens of millions of Americans who conflate Fake News Media with anything outside the realm of Fox News, AM talk radio, and/or conspiracy theory YouTubers (just as there are millions of Americans who only watch CNN and MSNBC and believe it’s “hard hitting journalism” that doesn’t serve corporate interests).

    Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — June 30, 2017 @ 9:36 pm - June 30, 2017

  16. Yes, TnnsNe1 that’s one of the reasons we don’t feed her.

    Comment by V the K — June 30, 2017 @ 9:36 pm - June 30, 2017

  17. The journalistic profession long, long ago traded away their independence… and hence, credibility… when they decided they wanted a seat at the table. At that point, they became agents of the powerful. They decided it was a better living being lap dogs than guard dogs. The meals were better, and the work was easier.

    Most of America has figured this out. The media operatives are terrified of losing their comfortable status. They realize that once the powerful no longer find them useful… they’re like greyhounds that can’t run any more.

    Comment by V the K — June 30, 2017 @ 9:41 pm - June 30, 2017

  18. Notice the subtle way CCP presents the left and right. Especially framed in the current environment of the CNN and NYT fake news scandals. Stop pretending to be the “balanced” voice in the room. You are more condescending and duplicitous than Mrs. Clinton.

    Comment by TnnsNe1 — June 30, 2017 @ 10:22 pm - June 30, 2017

  19. Actually no subtleties. This is how I feel.

    But, you certainly are obsessed with me. That certainly hasn’t changed.

    Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — June 30, 2017 @ 11:24 pm - June 30, 2017

  20. Don’t mean to hijack this thread, but how many have seen this article? https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/paynyy/sexual-harassment-is-pervasive-and-under-reported-in-gay-bars

    Comment by Juan — June 30, 2017 @ 11:54 pm - June 30, 2017

  21. Molyneux, thrust out by his favorite supporters over at Stormfront
    Nice!

    And O’Keefe, please his track record on being ethic and trustworthy
    Pretty much matches a skid mark in a tightly whitey.

    Comment by rusty — July 1, 2017 @ 12:22 am - July 1, 2017

  22. Sorry Ethical, ( not an attribute people associate with O’Keefe,
    even in Conservative circles.)

    Comment by rusty — July 1, 2017 @ 12:24 am - July 1, 2017

  23. rusty

    O’Keefe is favored, especially in Conservative “circles” because he targeted whining Establishment GOPers. So, you don’t know what you’re talking about. Trying to comment on matters on the Right you know nothing of, except from flawed info from your pathetic Democrat Media. O’Keefe’s a good boy & he’s gaining attention. Little by little.

    There’s nothing wrong with anarcho-capitalist Molyneux. Just because you people have a difficult time understand, again, those on the Right & the details thereof. Stormfront? Nonsense. He’s a attack dog bomb thrower that has his own following in Canada. You just don’t like strength on the Right, that opposes your ideology that no one can do better than anyone else, tyranny of the MINORITY & globalism. Everything in your little universe of COMMIEdom is collapsing. You’re bitter & all you have are lies. Not even your Leftist ideologue can agree what their labeling designation alt-Right is. The Stormfront people have nothing to do with the Right. They’re as separate as the Libertarians are. Right leaning Libertarians intersect with us on the Right. “White Nationalists” intersect with no one no matter how hard they try. Your ignorance of political identity is sadly lacking. It’s worth correcting the record but it’s not worth discussing with you further.

    We welcome Canadian & British conservatives. We help each other. Your globalist/socialist tentacles were broken in Hillary’s devastating defeat.

    Comment by Hanover — July 1, 2017 @ 1:12 am - July 1, 2017

  24. I find it sad that we all have to be compartmentalized into these tiny little boxes with packing labels that do not come off very easily, and in each of those boxes we scream and kick and try to be heard over people in the other boxes, because the labels on their boxes don’t match our own. This goes on and on until we realize our own boxes or damaged, or we have outgrown them completely. I especially feel this way when Hanover, CCP, Cas, Tnnse1, and rusty all get on here and worry more about what labels they can slap on each other’s boxes than factual, researchable evidence, or refrain from realizing that they are really saying the same thing about the entire Media Complex, regardless of who or what is behind it, because they are too busy throwing the labels around to realize the similarities in their words…

    Comment by TAD — July 1, 2017 @ 2:06 am - July 1, 2017

  25. TAD, If anything, my (and other commenters) initial comment was criticising the people in boxes who exist and insist they’re right (on both sides). So, I’m not really sure what you’re getting at.

    Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — July 1, 2017 @ 2:30 am - July 1, 2017

  26. I can hear TAD now. Whining, “Don’t put a label on me!” I had no idea that my bothering to explain politics & the diversity of it all was so maddening to some. I won’t be apologizing for delineating what is common knowledge. Maybe if TAD understood definitions he’d be able to understand people better. Otherwise, the 1960s flower child mantra of don’t-label-me is old & tired. Guess what! The people that use to whine about that are wondering who’s who, still to this day. Unable to make sense of the Left & its promotion of big government now. I suspect TAD has hardened old flower stickers in the bottom of his tub.

    TAD, neither of the people you mentioned, including myself, are confused to where their actions & ideologies are, in respect to everyone else. Life is confusing. Take your pills.

    Comment by Hanover — July 1, 2017 @ 2:35 am - July 1, 2017

  27. CCP, don’t worry about it. There are no labels, nobody has a position of current events, there are no political parties & everyone has special unicorns that visit them in the morning. That’s when some people clean their pipes.

    Comment by Hanover — July 1, 2017 @ 2:39 am - July 1, 2017

  28. For the record: I think very highly of O’Keefe’s undercover journalism – or I wouldn’t bring it into the GP blog. Repeatedly.

    I’ve noticed that O’Keefe is surrounded by a ton of name-calling from the Left – names which have turned out to be baseless, whenever I’ve checked into it; an example of people who are discomfited by his journalism and who “got nothing” to fight it with, except their name-calling.

    So rusty, you won’t need to quote people calling him various names. I am aware of it. (And probably others.)

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — July 1, 2017 @ 2:46 am - July 1, 2017

  29. taken by itself, the phrase “[they] are enemies of the American People” does indeed sound like old style USSR talk when they used the word “People”…However, the phrase before, “[they are] not my enemy” changes the meaning of the second [phrase].

    As V recently said: And Bingo was his name-o.

    I love the Klavan video too, Craig!

    the media [has] zero problem inciting riots by peddling lies (see Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, etc) which cost once-anonymous people their freedom and jobs

    Oh yeah, KCRob. Why don’t we just talk about people who lost their lives in riots or needless street battles with police? More blood on the media’s hands….if you apply the left-media’s own “I know where the fault lies” logic, that is.

    The Stormfront people have nothing to do with the Right.

    Agreed. Remember: Racism and Nazism are phenomena of the Left.

    – Racism is a form of collectivism (just the collectivism of the tribe or nation or alleged “race”, instead of the Proletariat).
    – Democrats were the ones who literally fought for slavery and Jim Crow, and formed the KKK.
    – Nazis are socialists. They were the National SOCIALIST German WORKERS’ party and, aside from the overt anti-Semitism, they advocated (and honestly practiced) a social-welfare program remarkably similar to today’s Democrat Party in the U.S. And they considered liberty-lovers (then called “liberals” – the word meant something different back then – but today called “conservatives”) to be their absolute worst, ultimate enemy.
    – Most American neo-Nazis today are similar.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — July 1, 2017 @ 4:33 am - July 1, 2017

  30. 9 All citizens must possess equal rights and duties.
    10 The first duty of every citizen must be to work mentally or physically. No individual shall do any work that offends against the interest of the community to the benefit of all.
    Therefore we demand:

    11 That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.
    12 Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in blood and treasure, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as treason to the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
    13 We demand the nationalization of all trusts.
    14 We demand profit-sharing in large industries.
    15 We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.
    16 We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class, the immediate communalisation of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small trades people, and the strongest consideration must be given to ensure that small traders shall deliver the supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.
    17 We demand an agrarian reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to expropriate the owners without compensation of any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.
    18 We demand that ruthless war be waged against those who work to the injury of the common welfare. Traitors, usurers, profiteers, etc., are to be punished with death, regardless of creed or race.
    19 We demand that Roman law, which serves a materialist ordering of the world, be replaced by common law.
    20 In order to make it possible for every capable and industrious citizen to obtain higher education, and thus the opportunity to reach into positions of leadership, the State must assume the responsibility of organizing thoroughly the entire cultural system of the people. The curricula of all educational establishments shall be adapted to practical life. The conception of the State Idea (science of citizenship) must be taught in the schools from the very beginning. We demand that specially talented children of poor parents, whatever their station or occupation, be educated at the expense of the State.
    21 The State has the duty to help raise the standard of national health by providing maternity welfare centres, by prohibiting juvenile labour, by increasing physical fitness through the introduction of compulsory games and gymnastics, and by the greatest possible encouragement of associations concerned with the physical education of the young.
    …COMMON GOOD BEFORE INDIVIDUAL GOOD
    25 In order to carry out this program we demand: the creation of a strong central authority in the State, the unconditional authority by the political central parliament of the whole State and all its organizations.
    The formation of professional committees and of committees representing the several estates of the realm, to ensure that the laws promulgated by the central authority shall be carried out by the federal states.

    Occupy Wall Street?
    Democratic Party Platform?
    A progressive pundit??

    – Extract from the Party’s 25 Points, a political manifesto issued by the NSDAP, proclaimed in February 24th 1920 by Adolf Hitler, at the first large Party gathering in Munich.

    Comment by Ted B. (Charging Rhino) — July 1, 2017 @ 6:19 am - July 1, 2017

  31. “journalists are enemies of the state,” that is not what trump is saying, he is saying the opposite. journalists are enemies of the people they are allies of the politicians that make up the state,

    Comment by salg — July 1, 2017 @ 9:08 am - July 1, 2017

  32. Very simply, We the People in a representative democratic republic armed with popular sovereignty and the ability to limit the reach of the government…..

    …….are …..

    NOWHERE akin to how a socialist state or a dictatorship thinks toward the people.

    Cas, the truth challenged limply attempts to draw a parallel between how a demagogue, weasel DemonizingRat speaks of “the enemy of the people”. Those a$$hats are justifying more control of the people in the name of the people so that they can herd them like sheep.

    Non-Americans simply cannot understand or assimilate the concept of a true representative democratic republic in which the people set the conditions.

    The establishment press is in league with the socialists, Obamanists, and elitists who skim their vigorish off the top of the money flowing through the government. Ditto those who skim other people’s money to pay their life on welfare.

    Ergo, “the enemy of the people” in a Merkel world is not akin to the enemy of We the People in the United States of America. Figure it out.

    Comment by Heliotrope — July 1, 2017 @ 9:30 am - July 1, 2017

  33. I know the rhetoric from the President sounds over the top but I think it’s appropriate since it’s more than just obvious that the Democrat Media Complex is trying to undermine the presidency of the US. I don’t know how much clearer it could be. Our precious, obama-fawning Leftist press has anywhere from 50% to 97% negative coverage, with an obvious agenda, of the Administration. You take down the presidency without due cause, you take down the people of the country. Civil war or an emergency convention of states that would either end up breaking everything up or plunking quite a few of our wonderful slimy politicians in the clink.

    The US has used this style of rhetoric in the past as has Britain.

    Uh oh. Am I labeling people again? When will it end!

    Comment by Hanover — July 1, 2017 @ 9:36 am - July 1, 2017

  34. Portlandia packed with crazy gays. 92% are mental

    http://salem-news.com/articles/june262014/lgbt-report-kh.php

    Comment by Steve — July 1, 2017 @ 11:44 am - July 1, 2017

  35. “.For the record: I think very highly of O’Keefe’s undercover journalism – ”

    I like what OKeefe has done but it appears his tactic is to bat his eyelashes as some post prime queen in an organization to get a guided tour of the headquarters.

    “Oh you big strong man tell me more about how interstate bussing of illegal voters works”

    Comment by Steve — July 1, 2017 @ 11:57 am - July 1, 2017

  36. You guys are all jerks. You completely missed my point. I am the farthest from a flower child as you can possibly get. I am simply tired of everyone using snide and derogatory name-calling to make their points rather than using researched and evidence based arguments. Pontificating and name-calling, snide underhanded rudeness, and ganging up on someone convince me of nothing…some of the supposed conservatives here who are constantly complaining about the progressives doing these things are just as guilty of it here, making them hypocrites. If I was the kind of person who used that type of language, I would say you all are a bunch of a*****es.

    Comment by TAD — July 1, 2017 @ 2:15 pm - July 1, 2017

  37. Oh, and I’ll keep my thoughts to myself from now on. Didn’t know they were so “triggering” HA!

    Comment by TAD — July 1, 2017 @ 2:19 pm - July 1, 2017

  38. Yes Tad, I have been using Progressive tactics on Progressives here. They are so wrapped up in their progressiveness, they don’t even notice it.

    Comment by tnnsne1 — July 1, 2017 @ 5:08 pm - July 1, 2017

  39. Hi TAD,
    Hang in there. Your point is a valid one, just keep making it calmly. You get nowhere by using the tools of irrationality. All that is left for those who don’t want to hear what you say is to insult you and use “tactics” because they don’t have a rational argument and evidence to make against the point(s) you raise. They make your point by publicly reproducing the behavior you rightly criticize.

    Do not expect people to meet you half way here; that is not how it works here. I come here to hear arguments from various conservative points of view, and to learn something–hopefully. I won’t change minds, but I have found some people who share enough of my sympathies to realize I am not a lone voice. There are folks–including conservatives here, who are disquieted to varying degrees by this Republican/ Radical sh*t show. Depending on how things progress over time, you might be hearing more and more from those folks. Stay open. That will make for a much more interesting conversation over time. One can hope.

    Comment by Cas — July 1, 2017 @ 11:19 pm - July 1, 2017

  40. Thanks again, Cas. I’m not always level on here, but it’s always appreciated to have a sane voice around. It definitely keeps me in check. Sometimes, it’s not easy with certain posters who zone in on other commenters and won’t lay off. One will mysteriously leave (ND30, for example), and another one will grow in his place (I think it’s obvious who that is currently). I will say that generally speaking, the more conservative posters on here have noticeably been much more courteous and understanding lately than in years past. That’s for sure.

    But, you’re a great model to aspire to, and I hope you stick around more.

    And, sorry TAD, if I wasn’t more understanding. From my end of the political spectrum, it’s a bit harder to negotiate the waters at GP, but, as Cas demonstrates, it’s possible to do it with your chin up and never lowering your standards to those who want to drag you down.

    Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — July 1, 2017 @ 11:55 pm - July 1, 2017

  41. Well, I am one of those conservatives who try to be nice. Could have done better here, I guess. I have even attempted to defend you a couple of times, CrayCray, when others were “being mean.” I have no desire to argue or deride anyone. For me, the matter is closed. Thanks, guys.

    Comment by TAD — July 2, 2017 @ 2:07 am - July 2, 2017

  42. Noticed that Cas and CCP never scold lil letter mike for his use of certain progressive tactics.

    Both Cas and CCP us the same condescending tactics Mrs. Clinton used. Look how that turned out. Those types of Progressives are just used to Conservatives responding in a different manner. Well, those days are over. “Clean your own house before you tell me how dirty my house is”.

    Remember, no one forces anyone to got to anywhere on the internet.

    Comment by TnnsNe1 — July 2, 2017 @ 6:56 am - July 2, 2017

  43. I interact with KCRob, Craig Smith, RSG, Hanover, Rusty, Cas, Bastiat Fan–even Sandra lately–and others just fine. Aside from heated moments between ILC and myself, we both generally retreat to civility (from what I can tell; perhaps ILC disagrees, which is possible). I still get a little spicy with VtheK, admittedly, but less so than in the past.

    Remember, no one forces TnnsNe1 to respond directly to me every other comment, or about me.

    Especially odd that it’s a development that has occurred in the last year, when I’ve been posting on GP for seven years now.

    But, hey, TnnsNe1 takes conservative commenters to task all the time on GP.

    : rolling eyes :

    Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — July 2, 2017 @ 7:23 am - July 2, 2017

  44. Poor lil CCP, so easily offended. You must wear out your pearls really fast.

    I only respond to your duplicity.

    Comment by TnnsNe1 — July 2, 2017 @ 8:49 am - July 2, 2017

  45. Not offended. Or duplicitous.

    But, entertained by your consistency in making up things as you go along.

    Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — July 2, 2017 @ 8:55 am - July 2, 2017

  46. Oh, how classic is this?

    Hi TAD,
    Hang in there. Your point is a valid one, just keep making it calmly. You get nowhere by using the tools of irrationality. All that is left for those who don’t want to hear what you say is to insult you and use “tactics” because they don’t have a rational argument and evidence to make against the point(s) you raise. (….) Do not expect people to meet you half way here; that is not how it works here. (…) There are folks–including conservatives here, who are disquieted to varying degrees by this Republican/ Radical sh*t show. Depending on how things progress over time, you might be hearing more and more from those folks.

    Now, to be sure, NO tools of irrationality. were used in “factually” forming the nomenclature of the Republican/ Radical sh*t show.

    Do not expect people to meet you half way here. OK, just what is the half way point on the way to naming it the Republican/ Radical sh*t show.?

    I come here to hear arguments from various conservative points of view, and to learn something–hopefully. I won’t change minds, but I have found some people who share enough of my sympathies to realize I am not a lone voice.

    Hi TAD,
    Hang in there, Cas is courting you.

    Cas comes here for various conservative points of view, but Cas has found some people who share enough of my (Cas’) sympathies to realize I am not a lone voice.

    Get it? Cas is here to gauge the conservatives but the voices Cas relates to are not conservative voices and Cas does not expect anyone here to meet you half way, particularly in the Republican/ Radical sh*t show.

    See how my point is a valid one and I just keep making it calmly?

    Comment by Heliotrope — July 2, 2017 @ 8:57 am - July 2, 2017

  47. Because liberals and progressives here insist that conservatives must meet them at least half-way, I guess it is time for a little fundamental understanding.

    The United States has the longest, continuous government in the history of the world. Our Constitution went into effect in 1789 and our Senate was formed in 1789 and the Constitution has been in effect ever since and the Senate has never been halted and restarted. No other governement in world history has come close to that milestone of continutity.

    Conservatives whole heartedly believe in popular sovereignty which makes them hawks on We the People deciding major events through our elected representatives applying the Constitution and the rule of law that emanates from the Constitution. The conservative of today, was the classical liberal of 1789 who trusted whole heartedly in popular sovereignty.

    Liberals and Progressives of today are big government acolytes who demand that the elite establishment determine what is good for We the People and force it on We the People through the power of the police function of government and/or the taxing power. The taxing power is the power to destroy and so it is a perfect weapon to use against We the People.

    Cas and Cray,Cray want some sort of “cooperation” in which We the People submit more and more to the nanny state and take our increasing government force feeding of what is good for us. Cas and Cray,Cray do not like representative democracy because in a republic, We the People limit the government.

    No socialist state is possible with government being limited by the people. Socialist states can be “benign” in their dictatorship over the sheeple or they can go rogue, which almost every example has.

    So, we are stuck having to take advice from Cas and Cray, Cray as to how they and their ilk will make it a utopia and land of milk and honey for everyone. In other words, they promise they won’t let it go the way of Lenin, Salazar, Allende, Castro, Mao, Hitler, Maduro, Mandela, Mussolini, Ortega, etc.

    The problem for Cas and Cray,Cray is that classical liberalism is based on fundamental principles. Today’s liberalism and progressivism has only one fundamental principle: collect the money from those that have it and redivide it among all of the people.

    Who would deposit a paycheck in a bank that divides it out among all of their depositors? Who would take a job in which the paycheck was equal in size for every employee and based on how much money was on hand the day the checks were written? Who wants to have an open flow of takers join the system by flooding in from other countries to get a piece of the action?

    Who wants to meet that discussion half way?

    Comment by Heliotrope — July 2, 2017 @ 9:26 am - July 2, 2017

  48. #47.. the Progressive 50 yard line is always moving towards the constantly moving Progressive goal post.

    Case in point : domestic partnerships won’t lead to gay marriage, gay marriage won’t lead to triads/incest.

    Same thing with gun control. Some Progressives are so duplicitous, they don’t even notice it anymore.

    Comment by TnnsNe1 — July 2, 2017 @ 9:57 am - July 2, 2017

  49. In my comment @ #47 I wrote:

    Today’s liberalism and progressivism has only one fundamental principle: collect the money from those that have it and redivide it among all of the people.

    I believe I should amend my comment to include the essential basics of modern progressivism. These are taken from Eric Raymond. The Soviet propaganda war featured dezinformatsiya, which was the process to launch memetic weapons that would damage and weaken the West. Those same weapons are used as the basic arsenal of the progressives in the US and Europe. Here is Raymond’s compilation:

    1 • There is no truth, only competing agendas.

    2 • All Western (and especially American) claims to moral superiority over Communism/Fascism/Islam are vitiated by the West’s history of racism and colonialism.

    3 •There are no objective standards by which we may judge one culture to be better than another. Anyone who claims that there are such standards is an evil oppressor.

    4 • The prosperity of the West is built on ruthless exploitation of the Third World; therefore Westerners actually deserve to be impoverished and miserable.

    5 • Crime is the fault of society, not the individual criminal. Poor criminals are entitled to what they take. Submitting to criminal predation is more virtuous than resisting it.

    6 • The poor are victims. Criminals are victims. And only victims are virtuous. Therefore only the poor and criminals are virtuous. (Rich people can borrow some virtue by identifying with poor people and criminals.)

    7 • For a virtuous person, violence and war are never justified. It is always better to be a victim than to fight, or even to defend oneself. But ‘oppressed’ people are allowed to use violence anyway; they are merely reflecting the evil of their oppressors.

    8 • When confronted with terror, the only moral course for a Westerner is to apologize for past sins, understand the terrorist’s point of view, and make concessions.

    1. DemonizingRats and progressives must have situation ethics and moral relativism in order to avoid “true and false” and “right and wrong” being used against them. Their “truth” is agenda driven and anything that opposes their agenda is wrong by definition. They will hold “others” up to the standards used by the “others”, but those standards do not and can not be applied to them.

    2. Never miss a chance to turn the argument back of the “hypocrisy” in the history of the opponents.

    3. If you disagree you are a sexist, misogynist, homophobe, xenophobe, Neanderthal, evil oppressor and so is your momma.

    4. Those who oppose the progressives are ravishing capitalists bent on exploiting the poor and oppressed and must pay reparations and be humiliated for their white privilege and blah, blah, blah.

    5. Crime is a function of depredation imposed by the elite and caused by oppressive inequality.

    6. Victims are virtuous and progressives actively seek out and anoint “victims” in order to promote their agenda.

    7. Victims and their progressive comrades must fight the power of the oppressors.

    8. Terrorism is caused by oppression and the oppressors must cede to the oppressed the right to get even.

    Anyone who does not know the work of the Marxist theoretician Antonio Gramsci is likely to be swayed by it. It was aimed at progressives who were already Marxists and at progressives who were easily seduced by Marxism.

    As Raymond states: “We have to eject postmodern leftism from our universities, transnational progressivism from our politics, and volk-Marxism from our media.”

    Raymond concludes: “The process won’t be pretty. But I fear that if the rest of us don’t hound the po-mo [postmodern] Left and its useful idiots out of public life with attack and ridicule and shunning, the hard Right will sooner or later get the power to do it by means that include a lot of killing.”

    That, I surmise, is Raymond’s way of agreeing that civil war is possible. If you think back to how long the left has been trying to take the guns away, it is affirmation that they know they are carrying a tiger by the tail and that they are very afraid that their “velvet glove” strangling of America may backfire. They loathe Trump because he is calling them out and naming names and standing up to them.

    Meanwhile, useful idiots are asking principled conservatives (classical liberals) to meet them “half-way” on the road to Marxist totalitarianism.

    Marx is the name that must not be spoken by the progressives. And there is a good reason for that: Castro, Maduro, Mao, Stalin, and so on. And don’t forget, Hitler shamed the Marxists for his own brand of socialist, fascist dictatorship. They are all in the same game. Read Raymond’s list of 8 memetic weapons again and you will agree.

    Now, if Cas and Cray,Cray have a “calm” and “rational” argument showing how crazy this notion of “Progressive-Marxism” is, bring it on. Particularly as it relates to the Republican / Radical sh*t show.

    Comment by Heliotrope — July 2, 2017 @ 11:59 am - July 2, 2017

  50. On the thread topic, I found this amusing in an utterly un-amusing way…

    Comment by Cas — July 2, 2017 @ 3:15 pm - July 2, 2017

  51. I found this amusing in an utterly un-amusing way…

    That’s a pretty good way to phrase it. Though I’m not really at the point of finding it amusing (personally). Just depressing. But, I get what you’re saying.

    The person who made it is supposed to be a real standup person. j/k

    Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — July 2, 2017 @ 3:26 pm - July 2, 2017

  52. Cas and CCP both have their Victoria Secrets in a bunch. You do realize how utterly unamusing your condescending attitude it.

    Which is worse : this video or the cum stains on a blue dress of a rape victim?

    Comment by tnnsne1 — July 2, 2017 @ 7:11 pm - July 2, 2017

  53. […] Leftie reporters suddenly worry about their safety […]

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  54. #49, your comments are scary and event after event proves that they are right…Marxism as it has been utilized in our world has failed or is failing…yet, so many are willing to spread its nonsense and failures to our country, and really, to the entire world, creating a globalize society in which elitists hold all of the wealth and power and the rest of us are cowering slaves

    Comment by TAD — July 3, 2017 @ 12:40 pm - July 3, 2017

  55. TAD @ #54,

    It is useful to remember that progressives have a method, but no plan. They simply want the raw power to punish and insist upon obedience.

    If progressives had even a scintilla of a plan, they could get the academics and true believers to design Utopia and build the steps to reach it. But, there is no THERE there – only the foreplay and then the clash of civilization.

    It is scary. But they created the scenario and they are dependent upon lemmings and useful idiots to trample out the obstacles in their way.

    Time to brush up on the Committee for Public Safety in the French Revolution. Communists always execute their “enemies of the state.”

    Cas and Cray,Cray either can not or will not debate this and for a very simple reason: they dare not admit the malevolence which undergirds their evil belief system. Egalitarianism can be achieved in two ways: Force everyone to accept being “equal” as defined by the state or kill the suckers who get in the way. They may think they can do the former, but they always resort to doing the latter.

    Comment by Heliotrope — July 4, 2017 @ 1:17 pm - July 4, 2017

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