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#NothingGate: Because yeah, they’ve got a lot to hide

Scott Adams has dubbed the Trump Jr scandal #NothingGate – There’s nothing there, but it sure is terrible.

We all know the signs. A couple hours ago, MSNBC was quoting campaign finance law about how campaigns are not supposed to take foreign contributions.

FOR REAL. Yes, I Laughed Out Loud. Right in front of everybody at the gym.

The law clearly talks about money and OBJECTS (the ordinary meaning of “things”) of value. Here is what they were quoting:

A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.

First, the words are written *on the foreign national*. Second: Only in a McCarthy-ite, Salem Witch Hunt world could the words be stretched to cover knowledge (which, in the context of a campaign, is called opposition research). AND…AND…AND…IF the words are indeed to be stretched so very far, then Hillary’s campaign was equally-or-even-more guilty.

Seriously…Are these people thinking at all? Well, we know they’re not. This is “what insanity looks like”. These people aren’t following any rational thought process.

Why would they not? The obvious reason: Deflection. Distraction.

  • Let’s not talk about Hillary’s campaign violations.
  • Let’s not talk about her campaign’s meetings with officials of a foreign government, in an effort to obtain valuable knowledge (or opposition research) on her opponent from those foreign officials.
  • Let’s not talk about all the Saudi money (which would be illegal indeed) in her campaign.
  • Let’s not talk about the Hillary campaign’s documented, illegal levels of collusion with the media.
  • Let’s not talk about all the Fake News, “Hillary is ahead!” and “Hillary is a lock to win!”, that the media perpetrated to try to depress Republican/Trump voter turnout.
  • Let’s not talk about the basic fact that she was a terrible candidate – and she lost.
  • Let’s not talk about the massive Clinton Foundation corruption.
  • Let’s not talk about Hillary’s collusion in giving Russia 20% of America’s uranium supply, apparently in exchange for hefty speaking fees and other yuge donations.
  • Let’s not talk about her campaign chair, John Podesta, and his brother being on Russia’s payroll for years.
  • Let’s not talk about Hillary and the Obama administration colluding to obstruct justice, in the Hillary e-mail investigation.
  • Let’s not talk about the indictments coming, hopefully, for James “Leaker” Comey.
  • Let’s not talk about the unbelievable scandal of the Obama administration spying on domestic political opponents. And the intelligence agencies going along with it.
  • Let’s not talk about the fact that the entire “Russia hacking narrative” has been a lie from minute one and, accordingly, the leadership of U.S. intelligence agencies are seriously politicized and compromised, meaning President Trump had better clean house – for America’s good.
  • Let’s not talk about the Trump administration’s progress and successes.
  • No, no, no. Deflect, deny, distract, handwave, keep screaming “Trump!!!!1!”

Fortunately, none of this needs to matter. The Controlled Media, the Left, and the “political class” have lost a lot of power. What we’re seeing now are the throes of their cognitive dissonance; their refusal to believe it. Having done nothing whatsoever wrong in this matter, Trump – and Trump Jr. – need only stay strong and clear-headed, and they will survive; and survival is victory.

My one, little doubt about this situation would be: Whether they will stay strong? We shall see. I know, I know…their track record argues that they will.



  1. And….. That’s how they got Trump ™.

    Comment by Sathar — July 12, 2017 @ 10:13 pm - July 12, 2017

  2. There is only one that matches the length of the left’s list of wrongdoings and other pathetically absurd deeds over the last 8 years:

    the altitude at which their sheer stupidity flies by, slowly cruising, with a proudly displayed satisfaction, over the disastrous results of their being in charge of, well … let’s see…

    yup, pretty much anything and everything they could get their deadly childish hands on.

    Comment by Cyril — July 12, 2017 @ 10:22 pm - July 12, 2017

  3. *there is only one other thing

    Comment by Cyril — July 12, 2017 @ 10:23 pm - July 12, 2017

  4. I think they’re imitating the Right when, during the nightmare obama years, it frequently & rightfully quoted applicable statute & interpreted it correctly. Benghazi, Fast & Furious, whatever. Not so much about obama but his flunkies for 8 years. We wondered why they weren’t being charged by an FBI that is suddenly supposed to be in the GOP’s back pocket now, according to Liberals.

    This is a pattern with the Liberals. They tried the Tea Party formula but fake patriotism & a flimsy cause really doesn’t work it. They’ve settled with just planting Liberals at townhalls, screaming at GOPers, pretending to actually being their voters rather than just constituents who aren’t relevant, with the Republicans finally figuring out that townhalls aren’t no longer a good idea.

    Now they’re trying to be intelligent, pretending to understand the Constitution, pretending to be outraged, using imagery & technique that the Right’s media uses. They’re desperate. They don’t even have a Congress (a limp & useless champion) to call their own in their opposition to the president.

    They’ve got a lot of the severe GOP globalists helping them also. Ain’t the Establishment GOP great!

    Comment by Hanover — July 12, 2017 @ 10:29 pm - July 12, 2017

  5. Trump – and Trump, Jr. need to lawyer up and take Mueller very seriously.

    Meanwhile, the press is being crushed by this sort of reaction to their entrenched duplicity and bias.

    Comment by Heliotrope — July 12, 2017 @ 10:33 pm - July 12, 2017

  6. The best defense is a good offense. I think it’s truly that simple.

    That’s why they say the stupidest, most hypocritical outrageous things, it doesn’t matter they are. They don’t really care what they say – as long as it distract from the truly bad stuff that was happening over on their side, and that should be investigated.

    And every day the news media doesn’t publicize that stuff, the bigger the hole is that they’re digging for themselves. They can’t now possibly, actually, report on the Obama Administration’s misdeeds. It would be signing their own death warrant, showing just how foolish, corrupt and incompetent they are. They must be married to the Russia Russia Russia stuff for survival.

    I say, for the Democrats, it’s not really all about Trump. It’s all about keeping Conservatives off balance and distracted so they don’t put the spotlight where it should be. It’s been working like a charm, I say.

    Comment by Rusty — July 12, 2017 @ 11:19 pm - July 12, 2017

  7. Hi ILoveCapitalism,

    Your frustration that the Press do not look at HC’s campaign and give it the pepper you think it deserves, is obvious. But as I have said to you, and you clearly do not agree

    1. HC wasn’t elected. DT was elected. His administration has power and HC does not. And DT’s comments and connections with Russia raise legitimate concerns. On that note,
    2. Russia is not some minor actor; it has been an adversary of the US for the better part of a century, and at times THE adversary. To actively engage them in the way that the DTJr emails suggest would be a serious issue. Russians are not harmless nor are they our friends, no matter how much some say they are (Hi V the K!).
    3. After six months of saying there was no collusion or coordination, suddenly the Trump Administration says that collusion isn’t so bad. After six months of denial, we have the first real evidence that those denials are untrue. People have been lying–Shock! Horror!
    4. With regards to DTJr, it is clear that he actively worked this opportunity to link up with what he assumed was a representative of the Russian Gov’t for purposes of damaging HC’s campaign (or opposing research as you prefer to call it) and brought two high ranking members of the Trump campaign with him. “I love it.” Your claim that he was lied to and didn’t find anything of use, is a lousy defense as it ignores intentionality, though if you got nothing better, go with the lousy excuse, I guess. As Krauthammer nicely summarized on Fox:

    Here is the thing: they denied that they did this … and they denied this for six months … and now they are saying that we did it but that it wasn’t so bad and that we were incompetent at it.

    If you get a call to go to a certain place in the middle of the night to pick up stolen goods and it turns out the stolen goods don’t show up, but the cops show up, I think you’re going to have a very weak story saying, ‘Well, I got swindled here.’. …

    To say that “I love it,” to be informed that the Russians are working on their behalf contradicts six months of stories. … I defended them because up until today there was no “there” there. Well, now there is a “there” …

    When you get information that the Russians want to dig dirt on your opponent and give it to you and support you in your election, you go to the FBI. You don’t go to the meeting.”

    5. As for whether “[t]he law clearly talks about money and OBJECTS” and that does not include “knowledge,” I find your confidence interesting. Is “knowledge” the right term here to use? What about “information”? Would you consider that possibility? Is it possible that people of good will can disagree about that? I don’t know if “knowledge” or “information” counts as a “thing” in terms of the statute, but we can both agree that “knowledge” and “information” as well as what you do with it has value. That would be something for a court of law to decide I think.
    6. And as always, I make the point that if this were Obama or a sitting Democratic Party President, that many here (if not you) would simply be calling for that individual’s impeachment by now, given the preponderance of circumstantial “evidence.”

    Comment by Cas — July 12, 2017 @ 11:59 pm - July 12, 2017

  8. If you’re an optimist, indeed, you can recognize the progression of a distinctive pattern of the left starting to fail (unsurprisingly) but also getting a taste of it for themselves (most unexpectedly).

    Tampered stories. Then,

    Fabricated stories. Then,

    Imaginary stories. Then,

    Fit throwing stories. Then,

    Non-stories. Then,


    No worries. They won’t disappoint you.

    But. Uh?! Hey! Pay attention, now!

    You’re running out of that popcorn already! Tsk tsk tsk.

    Comment by Cyril — July 13, 2017 @ 12:09 am - July 13, 2017

  9. Anyone else remember, in the 1990s, when President Bill Clinton was being investigated for [possible perjury/lying to a Federal grand jury]-

    Many of the Democrats were shouting this phrase:

    “No NO! You CAN’T send him to JAIL FOR LYING!


    IT DOESN’T MATTER! It doesn’t MATTER.”

    To be fair, we will have to pardon the Republicans, just as we have pardoned the Democrats.

    Comment by TR — July 13, 2017 @ 12:32 am - July 13, 2017

  10. Well they did have an impeachment trial, as I remember, TR.

    And thank you for your concern Cyril for my popcorn supplies. Have no fear, I can make a run to the supermarket if I run low!


    Comment by Cas — July 13, 2017 @ 12:41 am - July 13, 2017

  11. @10 –
    So they did, and the defendant of that trial was set free.

    Comment by TR — July 13, 2017 @ 12:54 am - July 13, 2017

  12. Side note, on cognitive dissonance;

    dear wife, who really isn’t into sports (except for a few minutes of watching soccer sometimes maybe, south american-bias, evidently) came up with this metaphore a while ago:

    we’re all engaged in the one single game, 24/7, of a new, global sport, with no teams, no referees, just individual players;

    it’s a game wherein to win you just need to make it thru by keeping your sanity when,

    prosperity consists in going into debt by fiat money issued facilitating the robbery of producers by busybodies of all imaginable sorts, in order to bribe the supporters (often times direct beneficiaries)… of the very ones who facilitate the issuing;

    homeschooling consists in nourishing the confusion of your kids about the origin and purpose of the lil things they have between legs and in their lower belly;

    virtue consists in selfying yourself to the-death-of-what-could-have-been-a-more-productive-use-of-everybody’s-time in made up situations of whatever the trendiest hashtags are about, for the sole purpose of showing off how tolerant and/or anticonformist you are — or rebel against the bigots who aren’t especially interested to partake in said trendiest fashions, and therefore deserve the harshest punishments;

    the only deadly sin remaining consists in daring to say, “f- your multiculturalism and social justice, my culture here is called, ‘not to put up with the utter bs, thank you;”

    enlightenment consists in listening to failed engineer pundits who settled science everyday wiith peer reviews exclusively held in the lobbies of the U.N. bureaux, between lunch break and the yoga sessions of your 20 hour work week with generous administrative work life balance benefits — for the latter, that’d include gorging in fancy hotels on a regular basis after taking private jets to go from one meeting to the other, while lecturing the rest of the peasants how critical it is they quiet down on their disgusting breeding and/or energy consumption;

    etc, etc.

    But atually, there might be a referee, after all will be said and done, at the End of the Days.

    God knows!

    Comment by Cyril — July 13, 2017 @ 2:20 am - July 13, 2017

  13. “Russia” is terrible, yet Biden’s son IS a Ukrainian oligarch and no-one in the Fake News press corps(e) even mentions it. Obama meddled in elections and no-one mentions it. The Clinton’s received millions from Russian “interests” and the Press applauded.

    But Russia… Eech, mouse!

    Comment by Ted B. (Charging Rhino) — July 13, 2017 @ 2:28 am - July 13, 2017

  14. “My culture here is called, ‘not to put up with the utter bs, thank you”.
    That’s a pretty good motto or saying, Cyril.

    Comment by TR — July 13, 2017 @ 3:46 am - July 13, 2017

  15. Trump’s only true Achilles heel is the sitting Congress. The liberals think they can win it in 18 with this strategy and proceed to impeachment. In the meantime they are trying to stall the Congress’s business as long and as much as they can.
    This I believe is mistaken. It will lead not only to a more Republican Congress, but more of an openly conservative Congress. Their efforts to move opinion in the electorate have to this point failed and if anything increased support for DJT.
    One supreme danger to the establishment in DC will be the new head of the FBI. Watch the confirmation hearings they will be instructive.
    Jeff, I think you’re right about the hole digging. The thing is the “echo chamber” effect they employed so well in the Obama years has become a big liability. They only hear themselves and to them it’s working, again a big big mistake in perception.

    The one big thing they didn’t count on from DJT is that he will fight and is not afraid of them. I’m willing to bet they counted on him kow towing to them a long time ago and are at a loss in the sense that he hasn’t (as so many before have).

    Comment by Sennacherib — July 13, 2017 @ 8:09 am - July 13, 2017

  16. Poor Cas, the Marxist, has gone around the bend.

    Prof. William A. Jacobson at L•I writes:

    Was this “collusion”? That’s not a legal term, and it depends on how you want to define collusion. Mirriam-Webster‘s definition is: “secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose.” Based on the emails, the purpose was not for an illegal or deceitful purpose, it was to expose allegedly improper conduct by a political opponent. But “collusion” is so ill-defined, that the media is running wild with it, and as usual, overstating the case….

    Here is more of Prof. Jacobson’s reasoning:

    The emails show no actual evidence of “collusion” or illegality. There is nothing indicating the information to be offered was stolen or otherwise improperly obtained, or that other than being willing to listen, the Trump campaign was involved in how the information was obtained. To the contrary, the promised information was “official records and information.”

    This also took place prior to the hack of the DNC being publicly known, so there was no reason to suspect that this was hacked information. Notice how the narrative has changed from the Trump campaign colluding with the Russians to “hack the election” to the Trump campaign being willing to have a meeting with someone who may have damaging oppo research.

    And of course, there was no there there. There’s no indication any information actually existed.

    Cas the Marxist has her usual suspects to pop her popcorn.

    Vice News: These are the laws Donald Trump Jr. might have broken – Treason. Espionage. Collusion. Criminal Conspiracy. Illegal solicitation of contribution from a foreign national.

    Huffington Post: The 7 Most Important Things About The Trump-Russia Emails Donald … This looks an awful lot like collusion BUSTED: Breitbart editors privately accuse Trump Jr. of collusion … It appears that now, even editors at Steve Bannon’s conservative website privately believe Donald Trump Jr. is guilty of colluding with the …

    Chicago Tribune: Donald Trump Jr. may have crossed the legal line on collusion … Donald Trump Jr. Tweets Out Emails Showing He Sought to Collude … Twitter reacts to Donald Trump Jr. posting proof he colluded with Russia Donald Trump Jr. Releases Collusion Emails Going Full Fredo Corleone Analysis | Donald Trump Jr. may have just crossed the legal line on Collusion Donald Trump Jr. released emails showing that the Trump campaign knowingly colluded with individuals connected to…..

    But, poor Cas, the Marxist, who has gone around the collusion bend is desperately seeking affirmation. So, out of kindness and generosity, I will oblige her: Cas the Marxist … the colluders are out to collude you. You may meet them around the corner in just half an hour. Don’t be late. Wear a red rose behind your right ear and carry a copy of Mirriam-Webster’s Unabridged Dictionary and bring your enigma machine.

    Comment by Heliotrope — July 13, 2017 @ 8:32 am - July 13, 2017

  17. Cas, please show me exactly where Donald Trump Jr. says that he thought that this person was a government official, and which government official he actually met. I cannot seem to find that info anywhere.

    Comment by TAD — July 13, 2017 @ 11:11 am - July 13, 2017

  18. Hi TAD,
    You are right–Does he say explicitly–“I want to meet a Russian government official or representative so that I can get Russian government derived information about Hilary that will damage the Clinton campaign” after reading the offer? No. All we have is DTJr saying–“If it’s what you say I love it.” I guess we could be unsure what the “it’s” here refers to–sort of reminds me of another obscure example of foolish behavior, where someone said, “It depends on what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is.” Sigh.

    For you: How would you have interpreted Goldstone’s words after having been told that the documents had come from the “Crown prosecutor of Russia” and that a “Russian government attorney” would be there as part of the meeting? DTJr. acted as if this was a big deal and invited Jared and Paul along. And they accepted.

    As for “which government official he actually met” the email chain we have doesn’t tell us anything about that, right? Would you prefer the term: “Russian government-linked actor” instead of Russian government representative or Russian government official?

    Comment by Cas — July 13, 2017 @ 12:27 pm - July 13, 2017

  19. Hi TR,
    “So they did, and the defendant of that trial was set free.”

    So they did…

    Comment by Cas — July 13, 2017 @ 12:28 pm - July 13, 2017

  20. So, Cas, what it seems you are conceding is that it boils down to intent, which, in my mind, has everything to do with this situation. The media and DNC is framing all of this as some sinister plot to give control over our government to Russian government. I do not see that intent in anything that anyone says involved in the situation. As well, it has been true for as long as I have been alive and I can remember that opposing candidates get and report information on each other that is detrimental to the other’s campaign. Why, all of the sudden, after 42 years of seeing it, is such behavior wrong, because Donald Trump does it, and it is done to HRC, who is just as guilty?

    Comment by TAD — July 13, 2017 @ 1:24 pm - July 13, 2017

  21. TAD –

    1) According to James “Leaker” Comey, intent does not matter. (Remember that was his excuse for letting Hillary off the hook for her blatantly criminal negligence which, by the way, she did intend: she knew about the government’s laws and controls and consciously meant to avoid them.) But even so,

    2) Trump Jr’s intent was to expose Russia-Hillary collusion. That’s GOOD. His intent was to meet a possible whistleblower and hear that person out, to see if anything was there. A GOOD intention. (You go to the FBI *after* you’ve gotten an idea about the person and them not being a total kook or liar.)

    opposing candidates get and report information on each other that is detrimental to the other’s campaign. Why, all of the sudden, after 42 years of seeing it, is such behavior wrong, because Donald Trump does it, and it is done to HRC, who is just as guilty?

    LOL – exactly. Except, go farther (see 2 above).

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — July 13, 2017 @ 1:41 pm - July 13, 2017

  22. @16 Soon, we’ll be able to feed to a computer any randomly picked article of one of the leftist “newspapers”, along with carefully chosen keywords/buzzwords/noun phrases/acronyms, and have the stupid machine automagically generate the comprehensive remaining subset of the Deeply Lame State’s Mainstream (*) “Media”.

    I’d go for it as hobby project if I weren’t already too busy trying to keep up paying my “fair share” while striving to sustain my family.

    (* read: directly linked to a Soros’ checkings accounts and/or any other of his ilk)

    Comment by Cyril — July 13, 2017 @ 3:44 pm - July 13, 2017

  23. Hi TAD (and ILoveCapitalism),
    I would still like an answer to the question I asked you, TAD, at #18.

    I think my reply makes clear that I think that DTJr understood he was meeting a Russian government representative. Can we agree about that?

    “[I]t seems you are conceding is that it boils down to intent, which, in my mind, has everything to do with this situation.”

    I think intent is very important. It is not the only issue of course. Do you like ILoveCapitalism’s version of DTJr’s intent, TAD? I commend ILoveCapitalism on his ingenuity. Could his view of DTJr’s intent be accurate? It is logically possible. Is it likely or reasonable?

    Why? Krauthammer gave a nice example:

    If you get a call to go to a certain place in the middle of the night to pick up stolen goods and it turns out the stolen goods don’t show up, but the cops show up, I think you’re going to have a very weak story saying, ‘Well, I got swindled here.’. …

    ILoveCapitalism wants us to think of an alternative for being there–“Honest, I was going to come to you police officers once I had the stolen goods to hand-in the evil-doers and the goods.” Logically Possible? I guess. Likely or Reasonable? Nope. I would love to hear his answer when the police ask the perfectly reasonable question–“So, why didn’t you tell us before the meeting so we could arrest them ourselves or do our own investigation”?Or, if was much later–oh, why bother, you get the idea how ludicrous the denials sound. I would love to see the emails that support that version of intent! I suspect those will never come to light.

    Krauthammer continues:

    To say that “I love it,” to be informed that the Russians are working on their behalf contradicts six months of stories. … I defended them because up until today there was no “there” there. Well, now there is a “there” …

    And that is why this was a big deal. Denying collusion and / or coordination for six months. Then this meeting comes to the light. DTJr. and others clearly LIED. There is a “there” there now. And if DTJr has been lying about his denials, why would you trust what he says now or the words of others similarly caught?

    In a court of law, being caught lying never makes a good impression with a judge or a jury. So, why would one assume that it would be any different in the court of public opinion–and for exactly the same reasons?

    You can call it “oppo research” but it doesn’t stop it from being true that DTJr was meeting with what he believed was a representative of an adversarial power to . And he brought Jared and Paul along. So, intent is important. Yes. And so is what people do, how they behave, and whether they get caught out lying about things they have previously said. After all, perhaps his intent in lying was to spare the country paralyzing turmoil if a political scandal came to light. How awesome of him… and them.

    Comment by Cas — July 13, 2017 @ 5:30 pm - July 13, 2017

  24. Cas the Marxist is just giggly giddy that she has found the silver bullet in something Charles Krauthammer babbled.

    If you get a call to go to a certain place in the middle of the night to pick up stolen goods and it turns out the stolen goods don’t show up, but the cops show up, I think you’re going to have a very weak story saying, ‘Well, I got swindled here.’. …

    Krauthammer screwed up by using a false analogy, therefore blowing his point: Krauthammer refers to stolen goods and stolen goods are tangible property. Information is not tangible property. Information is protected by the First Amendment: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.” Trade Marks and copyrights give information the aura of property, but only via access to the courts through civil wrong allegations.

    Cas the Marxist further uses Krauthammer’s blather:

    To say that “I love it,” to be informed that the Russians are working on their behalf contradicts six months of stories. … I defended them because up until today there was no “there” there. Well, now there is a “there” …

    To which Cas the Marxist goes entirely off the same rails Krauthammer jumped:

    And that is why this was a big deal. Denying collusion and / or coordination for six months. Then this meeting comes to the light. DTJr. and others clearly LIED. There is a “there” there now. And if DTJr has been lying about his denials, why would you trust what he says now or the words of others similarly caught?

    Krauthammer narcissistically says he can no longer “defend” the Trumpsters because he, Krauthammer, has finally found “there” there …. information which he erroneously called “stolen goods.”

    Then, naturally, Cas the Marxist takes the Krauthammer fallacy of logic and spikes the ball.

    Ideas and opinions are expressed here in the comments section on GayPatriot. Information is exchanged. Cas the Marxist does her opposition research such as her use of Krauthammer and she throws it at us to counter us in order for her to score her points.

    Yet, Cas the Marxist and Krauthammer both seem to find “collusion and / or coordination” by the Trump side when they do opposition research. “Collusion” is not against the law. If it were, no real estate developer would be in business. Does Apple share with Samsung? Do the Democrats act openly, forthrightly and transparently?

    There is zero evidence that what the Russian lawyer DID NOT reveal was trade-marked or under copyright. If the Russian lawyer did reveal stuff on Hillary Clinton to Donald Trump, Jr. and she was wearing a wire and she turned it all over to the New York Times and the NYT published it on page one, would it be stolen goods or information protected by the First Amendment? And before your put a page or three of a book on a copy machine, do you contact the copyright holder for permission?

    Cas the Marxist Trolls with garbage. That is bad enough, but she keeps flinging the same dead stink over and over again and then petulantly demands an answer.

    Comment by Heliotrope — July 14, 2017 @ 9:45 am - July 14, 2017

  25. I failed to tie up a loose end, so I will do so preemptively.

    Have the Trumps been caught lying? I don’t know. But lying is a pretty broad charge. The oath administered by the court calls out “the whole truth and nothing but the truth.” Goal shifting is a form of lying as is knowingly telling a partial truth and intentionally misleading.

    ILoveCapitalism and V the K have done fantastic jobs, time and again, calling out goal shifting and partial truths. Political ideology and political bias are the breeding ground for partial truths and goal shifting.

    In all this long slime trail of purported “Trump collusion with Russia,” not one soul has identified a law which has been broken. But we have been exposed to endless moral preening by some of the most unsavory actors in the opposition business.

    Here is Alan Dershowitz:

    “There’s a big difference between the act of stealing or the act of hacking and the act of using it. There’s really no difference under the First Amendment between a campaigner using information from somebody who obtained it illegally and a newspaper doing it.”

    Deshowitz acknowledged that Trump Jr. should have handled the situation differently, as this looks “awful politically” for the Trump administration.

    “But we have to distinguish between political sins and federal crimes.”

    He added that even if Trump Jr. misrepresented or lied about the meeting, it would only be a crime if he lied to an FBI or law enforcement official or lied under oath.

    Cas the Marxist is basing all her righteousness on trying to get a political meme to fly. This isn’t about law and order or the rule of law; it is pure political posturing.

    Comment by Heliotrope — July 14, 2017 @ 10:46 am - July 14, 2017

  26. <a href= Surber quotes from The Hill:

    This revelation means it was the Obama Justice Department that enabled the newest and most intriguing figure in the Russia-Trump investigation to enter the country without a visa.

    Later, a series of events between an intermediary for the attorney and the Trump campaign ultimately led to the controversy surrounding Donald Trump Jr.

    As Surber sees it: “It is entrapment.

    How the worm doth turn!

    Comment by Heliotrope — July 14, 2017 @ 11:07 am - July 14, 2017

  27. The emails show that Trump jr. thought he was meeting a whistleblower on illegal DNC-Russia collusion. That was his intent: not to practice corruption, but to expose it. Of course he’s going to “love it if it’s true”; I would.

    The “optics are bad” only to people who deny the intent in the emails. Here in the real world, the optics are fine.

    Denying collusion and / or coordination for six months. Then this meeting comes to the light.

    …, a meeting at which ABSOLUTELY. NO. COLLUSION OR COORDINATION. OCCURRED. NONE. WHATSOEVER. So the denials were correct in essence, and no new doubts are raised. (To sane people, at least.)

    Lefties want to doubt everything about Trump and reverse the 2016 election, simply because Trump Jr. talked briefly to a Russian national. Who might possibly (he was told) have meaningful information on DNC corruption. Nuts!

    Hillary’s campaign *actively initiated* contact with Ukraine *government officials* for their equivalent oppo research. Why don’t lefties give a hoot about that?

    At some point, lefties will simply have to accept that, yes, Trump really is the President. And no, the 2016 election results aren’t going to be reversed.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — July 14, 2017 @ 1:45 pm - July 14, 2017

  28. As to obama’s involvement: It is beginning to look like like Loretta Lynch acted to bring Veselnitskaya into the U.S. precisely as a Democrat resource for creating trouble where none existed. Such as the present trouble, in which Democrats systematically (but on NO real cause, NO substance) try to make people doubt the entire U.S. political system – and, ultimately, commit political violence.

    When I was a kid, such people were recognized as “snakes”. And unpatriotic.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — July 14, 2017 @ 1:58 pm - July 14, 2017

  29. Re Obama’s “involvement” and the “creating trouble.” Ah yes, it makes total sense to set this up in June 2016 so that nefarious no-good-doers could splash it all over the news so as to influence public opinion before, um, well, after, some six months after, DT won the election; relying on the actors involved lying about it for those six months and then finally feeling the need to out themselves, because that would have been the time for the do-no-gooders to have gained most advantage from it, or something, which means that Jared and DTJr are in on it as well, and oh my lord, that must mean …

    Stay tuned for more conspiracy stuff, same channel, same time, next week.

    And ILoveCapitalism, it doesn’t support your position to ignore what I said and reiterate that nothing happened. The meeting happened. And as to what happened in the meeting–if DTJr & Jared can lie about it happening, why should you or I or anyone else believe him or them that nothing happened in the meeting? You don’t consider that logical possibility. Why?

    The Ukraine issue–can we agree that of course Democratic supporters have no interest in exploring that issue because they don’t want attention to be distracted from the current sh*tstorm enveloping Republicans. It makes it harder to get things done in Washington–though I think it is even odds to pass the ACA changes it wants. But most importantly, scandals are not usually about the losing side, ILoveCapitalism. We go after the winners–why–because they have the power to do good and bad things to the country; they wield the power of government. The losers do not. And the Dems were the losers–pretty big, as I remember. I find it strange that you don’t seem to get that. If HC had won, I am betting that Ukraine would be a much, much bigger story than it is now, though the potential payoff looks smaller I think–I mean–Russia versus Ukraine …?. Of course, once the MSM Press is tamed through law or intimidation by the ruling government, the ruling power can use the media to destroy its losing opponents.


    Comment by Cas — July 14, 2017 @ 9:46 pm - July 14, 2017

  30. “I am Cas the Marxist and I am not to be trifled with.”

    And ILoveCapitalism, it doesn’t support your position to ignore what I said and reiterate that nothing happened.

    “If you continue to ignore me, ILoveCapitalism, I shall have to slap my ears with my open palms whilst repeating ‘I can’t hear you!’ until you desist and worship me.”

    Of course, once the MSM Press is tamed through law or intimidation by the ruling government, the ruling power can use the media to destroy its losing opponents.

    “Contrawise, it is the duty of the MSM Press to wildly attack the President they abhor in order to destroy his Presidency. For the President to mock the press or disagree with the press is despicable. But to call the press fake news peddlers is depraved, iniquitous and vile. The press is sacred and holy and free of ideology, partisanship or indiscretion. I have spoken. You have ignored my words. There will be a price to pay for your obstinance.”

    “I have told you many times that when a politician ls no longer in power, he or she may not be called to the courts of justice for anything he or she did that was illegal whilst holding power. You persist in ignoring my proclamation. Know you this, you are no my equal and I have been patient with you, but there are limits to what I will endure.”

    Comment by Heliotrope — July 15, 2017 @ 10:30 am - July 15, 2017

  31. Hi Cas the Marxist!

    This Donald Jr meeting narrative still lacks one critical component:

    What laws were broken?

    Did money change hands?

    Were campaign laws and/or rules of campaign finance broken?

    Trump accepted the nomination of the Republican Party on July 21, 2016.

    The meeting with Donald Trump, Jr. was on June 16, 2016 while Trump was a candidate for the nomination.

    We are told by the press that this meeting lasted 20 minutes which would have included introductions, offers of coffee and preliminary statements.

    We are told that Candidate Donald Trump did NOT attend the meeting.

    We know Donald Trump, Jr. was a political amateur. We know the meeting was essentially a bust and that Donald Trump, Jr. got egg on his face for taking it.

    We know the meeting was a waste of time for Donald Trump, Jr. and yielded nothing concerning repealing the Magnitsky Act.

    Please, your Serenity Supreme High-ness, do explain how collusion is against the law and how collusion came to play in this fluster cluck of meeting.

    Now run away and hide.

    Comment by Heliotrope — July 15, 2017 @ 11:11 am - July 15, 2017

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