Senator John McCain was recently diagnosed with a malignant brain tumor. An eighty year old man requiring expensive treatment is something the architects of Obamacare thought was too expensive. In fact, Ezekiel Emmanuel (brother of Rahm Emmanuel and an Obamacare architect) is on record saying that providing medical care to anyone over the age of 75 was a waste of resources.
In left-wing countries with socialized health care that leftists adore, it is standard procedure to deny care to severely ill people in order to save money. Rational? Perhaps, but not quite the selling point leftists use to advance the scheme of state-run health care.
On a related note, the left’s favorite fake scientist says that all old people should die so the Global Warming Agenda can be implemented without resistance.
I am willing to bet that if they checked high ranking politicians in those left wing countries do NOT deny medical care to them.
Because they are entirely too important to the welfare of the country or something.
All animals are equal but some are more equal than others.
john mc cain is not covered by Obamacare. why do you think the democrats exempted the politicians from Obamacare.
It says a lot when both the SJWs and the alt-Right are expressing hopes that McCain dies soon. Horseshoe Theory in full effect.
Ain’t it funny how people who think people need to die for whatever loony idea never want to start with themselves or their loved ones.
Seriously, the Alt Right & Alt left/SJWs want McCain dead?! That’s so sick. What are their reasons for this?
John McCain has entered combat in his last battle. No family is prepared to be “aware” of the inevitable course of events that follow such a diagnosis.
We have never worked out the best approach to geriatric medicine. In the US, Obamacare shuts many doors beginning at age 76. In England some procedures are closed beginning at age 56.
You can not maximize two dependent variables simultaneously. Therefore, it is either the greatest good that is limited or the greatest number that is limited, but it can not be an increasing number getting an increasingly higher greatest good. (Although that is what the “simple folk are sold by their manipulators.)
It is correct that Congress has OligarchCare which is a typical Marxist concept that the ruling elite must be better protected than the massive flocks of hoi polloi they oversee.
If McCain withdraws from his public life, I believe he will have chosen the better course.
I lost my dad to glioblastoma and all I can really add from that experience is that what the doctors put out regarding treatment options is pretty much bunk – there’s now a distinct personal tradeoff between quality of life (palliative care without additional side effects of radiation & chemo) and potential longevity (and even that longevity gain is on the order of months). In this case one of the risks is that radiation at least can speed tumor growth along (so he loses a few months). It’s a hard choice and my prayers are with them.
McCain’s only real hope at this point is immunotherapy (Duke has had some successful Phase 1 trials using an engineered polio virus over the last few years). As that develops, perhaps there will be some opportunity to raise both greatest good and greatest numbers at least in this case. While I agree that he needs to retire immediately (his cognitive capabilities will rapidly fail), maybe his being such a public figure could do some good in that arena – if they put him on a trial & it works then this (actual) life-saving research will get more attention. If not then no harm / no foul from a broader societal perspective (the research value will still be there).
Either way, it’s really sad to see the vitriol on both sides with this. Yes he’s done a lot of things we all disagree with. And yes the healthcare debate is furious (partly thanks to him). For me this is ultimately just going to go down as another example of how things have gotten to the point that for many it’s impossible to step away from demonizing political opponents even when they face this kind of personal battle.
“The new guidance says dying patients who are able to drink should be given water if they seek it.”
What’s the alternative? Telling them no, you can’t have any water, because we think you’re dying? That’s horrifying.
I hate much of the baby boomers, but even I wouldn’t to see them dead.
Crispy, I hope you did not see my post as demonizing anyone. I just wanted to put the debate into context.
@ Pawfurbehr: The SJWs hate him because they think he’s a fascist monster. The alt-Right hate him because they think he’s a Republican cuck taking shekels from his Zionist puppet masters. For both groups, the penalty for such wrongthink is obvious: death.
Really, despite their utter loathing for each other, the political and philosophical overlap between SJWs and alt-Righters is shocking: they have very repressive ideas on sexuality, really enjoy denigrating women who stray from what they deem “proper” feminine behavior and attitudes, think people are too stupid to make decisions for themselves and representative governments are a bad ideas, think that people shouldn’t be able to decide where they send their kids to school, have created a moral hierarchy based on ethnicity and race, and really, really hate it when people date outside their “own kind.”
Do you want the black jackboot, or the sequined one?
#3, Sean L, The label “alt-right” is a David Brock Media Matters fabrication meant to demonize conservatives in mysterious way. It has no meaning.
I have always known it was an odd fabrication meant to demean but was not sure where it came from until reading Sharyl Attkisson’s book. (thanks again, ILC)
McCain’s tumor is insidious. Years ago now, a friend of mine had one of these, had the standard treatments & was able to extend his life by months & months by using an alternative treatment involving a strange fungus in a jar, not kidding. McCain won’t have that option & we won’t have McCain to kick around anymore. I wish him luck & smooth sailing.
That is why all those industrialized nations don’t have anyone over 75 living in them. They all got death paneled… or something like that anyway… or not…
I wish Senator McCain a speedy recovery, though the prognosis going forward is not very encouraging. The good news is that Senator McCain has really good healthcare insurance that he gets from the government. That will help a lot.
#13 – Cas, you are either lying or delusional. NO member of Congress has government-mandated insurance. They exempted themselves in the final draft of the (Un)Affordable Care Act.
Try again.
Regards,
Peter H.
# 11 Sean L, SJWs and much of the Alt Right are basically two sides of the same coin!
Crispy- Thank you for putting in a good word about medical trials. I pray for anyone (not matter what their politics) who is facing their mortality. It’s a very brave thing to try an experiment, knowing it most likely won’t work but will add to the store of knowledge. The same reasoning behind the Charlie Gard case. Entering a medical trial can be an act of love toward humanity.
#15 not true
Here is how that sillygism works:
Premise 1.) All people require life maintaining medical treatment in order to survive when they reach the age of 75.
Premise 2.) All socialist nations deny life maintaining medical treatment to all people who reach the age of 75.
Conclusion ) Therefore: All people in socialist nations die of medical inattention when they reach the age of 75.
Thank you, Cas, the Marxist, for putting Marxist idiocy on display.
Of course, Cas, the Marxist, can plead “irony” or “satire” or “sarcasm” but that only reveals how little she thinks of the intelligence of people at GayPatriot.
I wonder why Sen. McCain is not getting treated at the VA; the epitome of Government provided health care.
I didn’t see it that way, V. I was responding more to vitriol I’ve seen elsewhere and what this debate is becoming more broadly.
Clarification- I think it’s worthwhile to discuss / ask how society should respond. What I’ve seen elsewhere thus far has been that it’s impossible for cooler heads to prevail as there are far too many saying how McCain deserves what he gets. I think you did a good job of framing it, V, as a good case study to examine (which is often a very helpful way of examining moral & political issues).
The trend I’m already seeing in this debate is that we, as a society, will end up generating a lot of heat without any light because of the tendency for people to focus on the actual person who sparked the case study rather than trying to come to conclusions on what our going forward answer should be. In other words, gossip is so much easier that we shouldn’t bother getting up to the discussion of ideas.
I’m not at all fond of Sen McCain but I hope he spends his remaining time comfortable and doing what he likes (fishing or whatever).
When Ted Kennedy was diagnosed, I felt the same towards him (FWIW). I wouldn’t wish this on anyone (well, I can think of a couple of exceptions).
AS far as costs – they are certainly out of control.
I had occasion to have a stent placed in a coronary artery a couple of weeks ago. I was in the hospital for 28 hours; the actual procedure took less than an hour. The bill is a tad over $90K. The cardiologist’s fees are a drop in the bucket.
Obviously, I am happy to have been treated successfully and everyone I encountered during this episode was topnotch but there is no way individuals not in the 1 percent can pay these fees. If something can’t go on forever, it will stop.
Dear Peter H. @ #14,
Does this mean that this is wrong information?
What say you Peter H.?
Be well
Cas
This at WNGO on July 18, 2017:
Cas, the Marxist, at #23 gives Peter H. the bird.
So, apparently, it is a distinction without a difference that Congress set up its own exchange open only to them and their staff and they get a 72-75% subsidy to pay against their gold tier plans.
Who would equate this with Obamacare as it occurs across the fruited plains from sea to sea for Joe Schmoe and Betty Thunderthighs?