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Google will get worse, before it gets better

There’s a lot in the news about North Korea, but I haven’t the heart to write about that, it’s too depressing. The U.S. should have taken care of that problem 20 years ago.

So, back on Google. First, Stefan Molyneux interviews James Damore. He’s a bit snow-flakey. Molyneux almost has to hold his hand. Seriously, how could the SJWs feel so threatened?

Second, by now you’ve seen Breitbart’s Rebels of Google interviews with dissenters to Google’s left-wing, Social Justice Warrior culture. Of course you have to take it with a grain of salt; these are disgruntled former employees. Nonetheless, many details ring true to those who have worked in Silicon Valley. Put it this way, statements of Google execs and SJWs will tell us one side of the story; Rebels of Google gives us the other.

I’m not sure what goes on at Google exactly, but it sounds like they have a culture of SJW discussions (probably on Google Plus group chat and/or email) that employees can’t escape. I picture an employee signing on to discuss a work-related problem, for example, and then being spammed with HR “diversity” announcements, or political sniping injected by the SJWs into every discussion “just because”.

Anyway, here are the interview bits that jumped out at me:

The company is currently facing a Federal complaint filed by the National Labor Relations Board in April for interfering with employees’ legal right to discuss “workplace diversity and social justice initiatives.” The complaint alleges that Senior Vice President Urs Holzle and numerous managers in his organization actively stoked up witch hunts in 2015 and 2016 intended to muzzle low-level employees who raised concerns about the company’s practices. The trial is set for November.

Several managers have openly admitted to keeping blacklists of the employees in question, and preventing them from seeking work at other companies. There have been numerous cases in which social justice activists coordinated attempts to sabotage other employees’ performance reviews for expressing a different opinion. These have been raised to the Senior VP level, with no action taken whatsoever.

The diversity gospel has been woven into nearly everything the company does, to the point where senior leaders focus on diversity first and technology second. The companywide “Google Insider” emails used to talk about cool new tech, but now they’re entirely about social justice initiatives.

There have been a number of massive witch hunts where hundreds of SJWs mobilize across the corporate intranet to punish somebody who defied the Narrative. The first one I remember is when Kelly Ellis made unfounded allegations of sexual harassment against her former manager, and Google terminated the manager in response to the internal SJW outrage.

… the tolerance for “microaggressions” keeps getting lower, to the point where everybody is walking on eggshells because they don’t want to be publicly shamed in next week’s Yes-At-Google.

I don’t have to tell you that there was an internal meltdown at Google when the election was over. The hysteria has only ever reached a higher level once. That was throughout this weekend, thanks to the #GoogleManifesto scandal.

Everybody knows it’s a quick trip to H.R. if you dare say anything against the ‘anti-social’ order. Or sometimes you get punched. I know at least one engineer did get punched in retaliation for something he posted.

I remember engineering manager Adam Fletcher bragging about how (a) he’ll never work with people like me (which he refers to as “hostile voices”), and (b) how people like me were being blacklisted *outside of Google* (I assume because he and others like him were using gossip to coordinate industry-wide blacklists).

I remember Colm Buckley (of #GoogleManifesto infamy) dismissing a well-written post by a colleague of mine, with the single sentence “Isn’t it nice to be white.”…

I remember Peter Goett entirely unironically posting a reply to a list with over 10,000 Googlers: “congratulations on your white penis.” To my understanding, had someone posted “black vagina”, that person would have been summarily fired. Also to my understanding, Goett appears to have received no punishment.

Many Google engineers who could not cope with the constant hostility and the reminders that “you are not one of us” have left the company. It bears reminding that some left in poor health — drinking problems, insomnia, nervous breakdowns, depression. All of this is understandable. Constant abuse, sneers, insults and smears from people who detest that you disagreed with them…

I want to stress to you that these G+ posts, while “in principle” avoidable, are — along with mailing lists — the standard way in which people communicate…So, in order to perform your duties, you *must* be exposed to at least *some* of it.

There is only one set of allowable opinions, and that is the set of pro-SJW beliefs. The mechanics of this hegemony are fairly straightforward:

1. Every day, rank-and-file (nominally low-status, but informally very high-status) SJWs post SJW / Marxist propaganda that irritates non-SJW folks who just want to do their job.

2. Everyone who dares question any of these propaganda posts, no matter how politely, is chastised publicly by the SJWs, and then (I hope it’s clear) written up on some secret lists… [which some SJW employees then boast about openly]

3. H.R. punish some of the people who question SJW orthodoxy. How harsh the punishment is really does depend on the gravity of the blasphemy — for example, pointing out differences between genders would be a Final Warning sort of event…

4. Management praise and reward what SJWs do, and sometimes vocally chastise non-SJW folks who dared speak up.

…The message is clear: if you do not align with SJWs, you do not belong here. Not only do you not belong here — our resident SJWs will gossip around to get you to never, ever work in a good job again.

Regarding the heightened censorship of conservative, libertarian or alt-media content that many have noted at YouTube and Google in 2017:

The pro-censorship voices are very loud, and they have the management’s ear. The anti-censorship people are afraid of retaliation, and people are afraid to openly support them…

…there are efforts to demote anything non-PC, anti-Communist and anti-Islamic terror from search results. To what extent that has been successful, I don’t know.

I have read internal mailing list e-mail from SJWs absolutely incensed that there’d be, say, a Sargon of Akkad video appearing as a video related to one of their favorite SJW vloggers. This is what happens when you have unbiased algorithms, which at the time, was [the case]…the SJW was quite literally asking that the ‘related videos’ function be perverted so that such a thing would stop happening.

Many people have stood firm against perverting their own work in the service of ideological pursuits. I respect these people for having had the fortitude to keep their creations pure and just. I know these people and I profoundly respect them. It must be very hard to be on the Search team and to have to turn down requests to tweak Google Search to favor corrupt ideologies.

But many people are leaving Google. And many of these ex-Googlers are people who were tired of having to cope with these corrupt ideologies and the people who proselytize them…

Google is quite good at listening to both their users and their customers, with one exception: when what the users want is at odds with ideological dogmas widely held at Google.



  1. “I’m not sure what goes on at Google exactly,”

    Same here.

    All I know is it seems a number of their talented folks are just leaving them for companies a thousand times smaller.

    Wink wink … & bwahahahaha 😀

    Tsk tsk tsk tsk tsk.

    Comment by Cyril — August 9, 2017 @ 4:19 am - August 9, 2017

  2. I had a similar experience when I worked at JCPenney in their call center.

    I cannot say that this was a company policy, but it did seem odd that it would be allowed so brazenly.

    It was 2012, October. I was hired to help with the Christmas rush. But it seemed no matter where I sat, there was some co-worker trying to talk another co-worker into voting for Obama. Fortunately, none of them ever spoke to me, but their conversations were quite loud and disconcerting.

    After the election, the elation of co-workers over the results was too much for me to take and I quit. I often wonder what would have happened had I filed a complaint of allowing a hostile work environment.

    Comment by Craig Smith — August 9, 2017 @ 8:17 am - August 9, 2017

  3. This is beyond beautiful.

    Thanks to SJWs, California law is full of clauses that make it illegal to discriminate on the basis of political affiliation and illegal to retaliate against someone who files a grievance.

    Even better, California law also allows regular lawyers to sue on the basis of promulgated regulations (which is normally limited to state Attorneys General) without having to wait for state investigations….and also has multiple statutes making it clear that employers are 100% responsible for the actions of their managers and supervisors.

    Damore is one person. But given the information coming out on this, I can easily see this going class-action in a heartbeat — and especially since they have documentation of managers openly bragging about discrimination, interference with advancement, and also trying to directly interfere with a person’s ability to make a living via public statements.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — August 9, 2017 @ 9:32 am - August 9, 2017

  4. I just typed “communism is” in my Google search box. The first suggestion is “communism is good.”

    Comment by TonyW — August 9, 2017 @ 9:33 am - August 9, 2017

  5. Whew! Damore seems to be overly “intellectual” in his reach for “understanding.” It is admirable to research philosophy in order to flesh our your understanding, but to research philosophy simply to give validation to your epiphany is just overkill. Not all of understanding needs to comes with footnotes, attributions and a list of references.

    From watching the Stefan Molyneux interview with James Damore, I come away saddened at how naive Damore really is. But then I realized that he has the idealist’s disease of solving the problem of bridging opposing views. That seems like something a computer programing geek would naturally try to puzzle out and write God-like code to achieve.

    Nonetheless, Damore seems to be discovering that “open-minded” is a concept without meaning.

    He wrote his “thoughts” in words and he got himself in the midst of a Goggle social justice feeding frenzy. And he discovered SJW tribal warfare.

    Google exists in an imaginary world where people can be genial or cruel depending on emotionalism and hypocrisy. Thus, Google needs rules for the HR to mete out a parody of justice. In the spirit of Google justice, every accusation must have a resolution.

    Google is a boiling cauldron of nature and nurture; it is essentially structureless in terms of human relations philosophy. It is trying to “domesticate” its employees without the benefit of wisdom or an appreciation of absurdity.

    Operating around concepts based on intuition and devoid of definition defy language and communication and creates an environment that is commonly understood as “nonsense.”
    In short, it has no binding ethos.

    And my great fear of Google is that it has the power and the capacity to destroy a great deal on the basis of mercurial whim. Why isn’t it possible for Google to have an embedded “deep state” in which “enemies” of the social justice warriors “hack” their targets to pieces?

    The average man on the street has no clue how Google, FaceBook, Twitter, etc. make money.

    Comment by Heliotrope — August 9, 2017 @ 9:57 am - August 9, 2017

  6. ND40; In addition, Damore (I read this, not confirmed) filed a complaint against Google with the National Relations Labor Board before circulating his memo. Very smart, because now he can charge Google with retaliating against him for complaining about a hostile work environment.

    Comment by V the K — August 9, 2017 @ 10:01 am - August 9, 2017

  7. What’s happening at Google reminds me of stories of Mao’s “Great Leap Forward.”

    Comment by Juan — August 9, 2017 @ 10:04 am - August 9, 2017

  8. I read the memo and I was surprised that they fired him for writing it, given my understanding of the forum where he wrote it (a forum to discuss issues and problems at Google openly). The memo was not anti-diversity as far as I could tell, just anti the way that Google was going about trying to diversify. He could have expressed things a bit more sensitively, but I tend to agree with the sentiment here–Google will be getting a lawsuit for wrongful termination. It was a pity that they couldn’t discuss the memo in a more rational fashion in-house.

    Comment by Cas — August 9, 2017 @ 12:07 pm - August 9, 2017

  9. Not too long ago I was sympathetic to Google when they were fined by the EU, and some we’re calling for breaking the company up. But, not anymore.

    Google acts, talks, and walks like a monopoly and should be sued for breaking anti-trust laws.

    Comment by Samuel — August 9, 2017 @ 12:40 pm - August 9, 2017

  10. Jordan B Peterson : James Damore and his Google Memo :

    Comment by Cyril — August 9, 2017 @ 12:56 pm - August 9, 2017

  11. Wow! Diversity vs. anti-diversity. What a constipated concept.

    Stability in a natural biome consists of both continuity and adaptation. A mighty oak falls and plant pioneers emerge in a struggle to fill the open area which is also a void. Eventually, another tree emerges and the oak-hickory forest biome is replenished until the next giant falls.

    Diversity is a struggle which is resolved by adaptation to the most stable elements. Wild flowers that bloom before the trees take leaf in the spring are long gone by summer.

    Adding the animal element to the biome involves both patterning and knowledge. Knowledge as a process inevitably entails some tension between traditionally accumulated ways of understanding communal phenomenon and structuring social behavior, and new sources of knowledge acquired through learning, experimentation and sharing. You can apply this to apes, octopi or humans.

    Diversity in nature is subject to the rules of continuity and adaptation.

    So, what is “anti-diversity? The heart of a desert?

    This whole “cleverness” about diversity being a positive thing defies how we react to cancer, war, floods, oppression, etc. What is “rational” to a Jew in Nazi Germany as opposed to being a member of the SS is a world apart. “Rational” depends on the biome. Go plant a palm tree in an oak-hickory forest and see what you get. Trying to be founded in truth and proof is a nightmare if you are working in the land of feelings, emotion and the hypocrisy inherent in political correctness. If political correctness had the stability of continuity and adaptation it would be an ethos. Instead it is dependent upon the fascists being up in the game of power struggles. Someone has to rank order what is correct in order to escape pure chaos.

    Nationalism is made up of common beliefs, traditions and a sense of shared community which is grounded in stability. Stability is perpetuated by continuity and adaptation. A bunch of psychobabbling “open-minded” “free thinkers” are not exactly the purveyors of tradition, community and stability.

    Comment by Heliotrope — August 9, 2017 @ 12:58 pm - August 9, 2017

  12. @7 same political philosophy.

    Comment by salg — August 9, 2017 @ 1:05 pm - August 9, 2017

  13. I would venture to say that few people are these days, including the CEO. But if we rephrase the question to “What happened to Google?” the answer is, at its most reductionist, “they got big.” So that what started out as a creative, innovative start-up whose motto was “Don’t Be Evil.” is now another big, evil company. Not so much evil in the traditional corporate sense (say, like Ma Bell and its eventual successors and subsidiaries), whereas the crimes are committed externally, but more in the internal sense, as detailed above.

    The nice thing about tech companies is that they roll with the punches and adapt, or else they fall by the wayside. I can remember when “Google” was this weird new thing that had just a minimalist splash page (back when frames, marquees, and all sorts of other junk were reducing WWW pages to look like the screens on some of the original smartphone displays) and no one thought it would amount to much because Yahoo! was such a dominant player. After all, Yahoo! was a portal, offered e-mail, chat, groups, and a host of other services. Fast forward to today, and Yahoo! is rapidly becoming a stepchild subsidiary of Verizon. Same can be said for its now-sister company AOL. Even Microsoft, which was the 800-lb gorilla of tech companies is finding out that running a proprietary OS on a stationary or portable computer is becoming so 1999 and in the era of posting one’s sweaty post-workout pics on Facebook with a device we carry on our person, it’s not always easy to break into someone else’s market (few admit to actually wanting a Windows Phone, even if one can be found to work with your carrier).

    So I predict it will be with Google. Though their search algorithms are still top notch, many people are becoming wise to the built-in tracking that comes with it and opting for alternatives, such as DuckDuckGo and Start Page. The company that is so big that it has its own self-created parent company will still do well in some areas, but the on-campus infighting will eventually take its toll and their business will end up shrinking over time. If the exodus of talent is as everyone claims it is, it will only take a few of those very talented people to create a start-up of their own for some as yet undiscovered need which we will all soon have. If they are smart, they will start it someplace outside of The Golden State, given their increasingly anti-business practices (and tax rates). Either way, I look forward to discovering just what that endeavor may be.

    Comment by RSG — August 9, 2017 @ 1:50 pm - August 9, 2017

  14. Whups…forgot the quote to which my screed above was responding to:

    I’m not sure what goes on at Google exactly [..]

    Comment by RSG — August 9, 2017 @ 1:53 pm - August 9, 2017

  15. @11 “Wow! Diversity vs. anti-diversity. What a constipated concept.”

    Oh, fe

    Comment by Cyril — August 9, 2017 @ 2:55 pm - August 9, 2017

  16. @11 Oh fear not, they have an inexhaustible source of plenty at that, as had long been “identified” (pun intended)

    “It is evident that the socialists set out in quest of an artificial social order only because they deemed the natural order to be either bad or inadequate; and they deemed it bad or inadequate only because they felt that men’s interests are fundamentally antagonistic, for otherwise they would not have had recourse to coercion. It is not necesary to force into harmony things that are inherently harmonious.

    Therefore they have found fundamental antagonisms everywhere:

    Between the property owner and the worker.

    Between capital and labor.

    Between the common people and the bourgeoisie.

    Between agriculture and industry.

    Between the farmer and the city-dweller.

    Between the native-born and the foreigner.

    Between the producer and the consumer.

    Between civilization and the social order.

    And, to sum it all up in a single phrase:

    Between personal liberty and a harmonious social order.

    And this explains how it happens that, although they have a kind of sentimental love for humanity in their hearts…

    … hate flows from their lips.

    Each of them reserves all his love for the society that he has dreamed up;

    But the natural society in which it is our lot to live cannot be destroyed soon enough to suit them, so that from its ruins may rise the New Jerusalem.”

    C. F. Bastiat, “Economic Harmonies” (1850)

    Comment by Cyril — August 9, 2017 @ 3:04 pm - August 9, 2017

  17. Could we stop using “google” as a verb? It’s like the devil’s dirty trick of convincing us he doesn’t exist….but in this case, it’s g’s dirty trick o convincing us to mindlessly recommend them, when it’s just as easy to say “look it up” or “research it.”

    Besides this BS, google data-mines heavily, gives info to the left, and has biased algorhythms. Plus, there are lots of search engines that do not track.

    I believe there are people out there who do not know there are lots of search engines out there. At schools, they often teach in computer classes that you begin research by going to google! It’s really beyond annoying…closer to the territory of the “evil” they used to keep warning us about. (They have dropped the “do no evil” line now.)

    Comment by new reader — August 9, 2017 @ 4:50 pm - August 9, 2017

  18. @5: Helio – Damore may seem naive because he is: young and innocent and thinking that when Google management wants your thoughts, they actually mean it.

    He’s also new to being the subject of a Two Minute’s Hate.

    Google must be an awful place to work. I work for a small company but when working at larger firms, the management PC was easily kept at arm’s length and that was in the day where a shrieking SJW creating a hostile environment would have been shown the door, not promoted.

    I’m glad I’m not just starting out.

    Comment by KCRob — August 9, 2017 @ 6:49 pm - August 9, 2017

  19. “I’m glad I’m not just starting out.”

    Same here!

    Comment by Cyril — August 9, 2017 @ 6:52 pm - August 9, 2017

  20. Color me naive, but what search engine can I switch to from Google?

    Comment by Rusty — August 9, 2017 @ 9:16 pm - August 9, 2017

  21. @20 DuckDuckGo has been around for a while and give pretty good unfiltered matches by now, about all sorts of content, that you’ll like or not. There might be others.

    I keep using Google for lookups on the coding stuff or other pages about dry topics indexed long ago (when I already know the best keywords) that SJWs have generally absolutely no clue about and don’t care suppressing.

    If I want to lookup something specific and very much non-PC or potentially so, I carefully go back to DuckDuckGo.

    Do I need to mention I’m ending up using Google almost exclusively for the former?

    Comment by Cyril — August 9, 2017 @ 9:38 pm - August 9, 2017

  22. Btw, some Googlers had to take…

    … sick days (because James Damore’s memo)

    Comment by Cyril — August 10, 2017 @ 12:03 am - August 10, 2017

  23. Best non-Google search engine I’ve used (and which I now use as my constant default search engine) is .

    Works just like Google, and actually returns better results (because it doesn’t have as many “sponsored” results – i.e., ads by companies paying Google to put their results first.)

    If you use Firefox, you can switch your default search engine by clicking on the three-bar icon in the top right of your screen, hit “options”, then hit “search.” Bing is one of the choices you can click on.

    Google makes almost all of its profits from the basic search page, delivering ads to you. If you avoid using google search, you can help starve the beast.

    Comment by bobby b — August 11, 2017 @ 4:36 am - August 11, 2017

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