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Triggering the media

I keep hearing that the media is heavily filtering President Trump’s comments yesterday. So let’s get a bit closer to the real thing.

Trump says why his statements on Charlottesville were the right statements, in the right way at the right time. A triggered melee of voices strives to interrupt him.

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[before the extract above] “I didn’t wait long. I wanted to make sure, unlike most politicians, that what I said was correct…It takes awhile to get the facts. You still don’t know [all] the facts.”

I think the driver of the car is a disgrace to himself, his family and his country. You can call it terrorism, you can call it murder… The driver of the car is a murderer, and what he did is a horrible, horrible, inexcusable thing.”

“Senator McCain? You mean, the one who voted against Obamacare [replacement]? The one who voted against us getting good health care?”

“What about the Alt Left, that came charging at the Alt Right? …They came charging with clubs in their hands, swinging. Do they have any problem? I think they do… That was a horrible day…You had a group on one side that was bad, and you had a group on the other side that was also very violent. And nobody wants to say that, but I’ll say it right now. You had a group on the other side that came charging in, without a permit, and they were very violent.”

“This week, it’s [protesting a traditional statue of] Robert E. Lee. I notice that Stonewall Jackson’s coming down. I wonder, is it George Washington next week? And is it Thomas Jefferson the week after? You really do have to ask yourself, where does it stop?”

“You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other and they came at each other with clubs and it was vicious and it was a horrible thing to watch…I think there’s blame on both sides, and I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either, and if you reported it accurately, you would say it.”

“George Washington was a slave owner. So, will George Washington now lose his status? Are we going to take down statues of him? How about Thomas Jefferson? …You’re changing history, you’re changing culture, and you had people – I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally – but you had many people [who just wanted to keep the traditional statue], and the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. Now, in the other group also [who wanted the statue to come down], you had some fine people, but you also had troublemakers…with the baseball bats.”

“There are two sides to a story. I thought that what took place was a horrible moment for our country.”

UPDATE: Added some highlighting, to help the cognitively-blind.


The one thing that I would regret in the above, is that President Trump should (and didn’t yet) call for a universal, national pledge against political violence, that Left and Right alike would be required to take – if they want to be regarded as moral or responsible.

The media (like CNN) and the Democrats must be made to disavow the violence and bigotry of Antifa and #BlackLivesMatter.

Having the Right disavow the violence and bigotry of the #WhiteLivesMatter types is easy, a small price to pay, something that I’m happy to do. Because anyone who believes in tradition or God or liberty for real will know instinctively that #AllLivesMatter. (Plus the fact that the #WhiteLivesMatter types are crypto-leftists anyway.)

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  1. Trump is right. It gets ridiculous when you condemn both sides, they say you didn’t condemn the right enough. And yet, that is exactly what is happening.

    Also, this was no terrorist attack. It was not preplanned, it was not done for or claimed by any organization. It was not done to cause fear and terror. It was not done to obtain submission to the demands of an organization. Those are all necessary to call it an act of terror. This was a crime of passion.

    Comment by Craig E Smith — August 16, 2017 @ 10:45 am - August 16, 2017

  2. A national pledge that’s funny. When have liberals ever kept to their words and when has the media ever attacked them except when they go off the plantation.

    Comment by Paul in N. AL — August 16, 2017 @ 10:56 am - August 16, 2017

  3. Paul – Yeah. Except, you have to start somewhere. Making them admit that the Left does violence (and not in a good way) is a start.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — August 16, 2017 @ 11:15 am - August 16, 2017

  4. The main thing driving the pearl-clutching response to Trump’s accurate assessment can be summed up in two words: White Guilt.

    People have been so conditioned to loathe racism (which should properly be loathed) that they cannot concede that those who claim to oppose racism may also have hatred in their hearts. They canoe concede that the leftists showed up at the rally looking for violence, armed with soda cans filled with cement to use as projectiles and clubs to be used as truncheons.

    Comment by V the K — August 16, 2017 @ 11:18 am - August 16, 2017

  5. People have been so conditioned to loathe racism (which should properly be loathed) that they cannot concede that those who claim to oppose racism may also have hatred in their hearts. They canoe concede that the leftists showed up at the rally looking for violence, armed with soda cans filled with cement to use as projectiles and clubs to be used as truncheons.

    It isn’t just that! They can’t even concede that well meaning people may have a position in common with White Supremacists and Nazis!

    This event was not advertised as a White Supremacist Rally. It was advertised as an event to protest the removal of a statue. Now, regardless of what our individual views are of the standing of these statues, it does not follow that everyone who protests their removal is a White Supremacist – even if they end up at the same rally together.

    It is absolutely absurd and conservatives are all over that.

    Comment by Christina — August 16, 2017 @ 11:35 am - August 16, 2017

  6. […] Triggering the media […]

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  7. Summer rallies in Charlottesville

    On May 13, 2017, white supremacist Richard Spencer led the Take Back Lee Park rally, a protest in Charlottesville against the city’s plans to remove the statue of Lee. The event involved protesters holding torches near the statue. That same night, a candlelight counterprotest took place.

    The Ku Klux Klan held another rally in Charlottesville on July 8.[13] About 50 Klan members and 1,000 counterprotesters gathered at a loud but nonviolent rally; the Klan members left the park after about 45 minutes. In opposition to the rally, the Charlottesville Clergy Collective created a safe space at First United Methodist Church, which was used by over 600 people.

    Comment by rusty — August 16, 2017 @ 12:03 pm - August 16, 2017

  8. This is not “right” vs. “left”. This is the national socialists vs. the international socialists (think Communists vs. Nazis). They both require scapegoats to exploit for power and to blame for their own shortcomings. It is becoming more and more like the fighting in the streets between the commies and fascists in Wiemar Germany cira 1930s although at this time it is mostly staged by the Marxist SJWs to appear as though they are the only alternative to Nationalist ” Blood and Soil” terror when that movement is currently mostly marginalized and very small. Look for more street theater from the left thugs and their enablers the MSM propagandists who beat the drum incessantly to tie white supremacy to Donald Trump. There is no low they will not stoop to, because “THE END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS” is their only real creed.(except for the con artists that exploit whose only creed is power and gain).

    Comment by Rex — August 16, 2017 @ 12:09 pm - August 16, 2017

  9. So, rusty just proved Antifa and BLM were the real problem.

    Comment by TnnsNe1 — August 16, 2017 @ 1:03 pm - August 16, 2017

  10. 9.So, rusty just proved Antifa and BLM were the real problem.

    I believe he just did.

    Comment by V the K — August 16, 2017 @ 1:15 pm - August 16, 2017

  11. Not quoted directly from Trump:

    But you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides

    Very fine people marching with people that cry out “Jews will not replace us,” “F$ck you f@gg0ts” and “Blood and soil”? No. Those are not fine people. Those are people who organised and marched while terrorising and intimidating minorities in the Charlottesville community.

    Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — August 16, 2017 @ 5:07 pm - August 16, 2017

  12. Rev. Traci Blackmon talks about a worship service where her congregation feared for their lives as a mob bearing tiki torches approaching the church were chanting the expressions in Comment #11.

    Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — August 16, 2017 @ 6:05 pm - August 16, 2017

  13. Dammit, CrayCray, @ #11, you insist on being a mindless idjit.

    Very fine people marching with people that cry out “Jews will not replace us,” “F$ck you f@gg0ts” and “Blood and soil”? No. Those are not fine people. Those are people who organised and marched while terrorising and intimidating minorities in the Charlottesville community.

    No one, especially PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP said the people marching with the white supremacists had ANY fine people among them.

    Charlottesville is populated with an overwhelming number of fine people. Some of those fine people object to removing the Lee and Jackson statues and some of those fine people wish to remove the statues. You can’t do both. It is one or the other. But reasonable people can talk and plead and shake hands and share coffee and go home still friends. It happens all of the time. It is how CIVILIZED people choose to live.

    So, CrayCray, you come here and you clearly lie. You say that Trump said there were “fine people” among the white supremacists. He absolutely did not. You would really have to edit and mess with the tapes to come up with that bit of FAKE horse crap.

    On Saturday, August 12, there was a large cluster of people at and around Lee Park. But there were five to ten times as many people a half a block away on the pedestrian mall. Why? because it is pretty stupid to cluster around Antifa, white Supremacists, and Black Lives Matter people who were carrying clubs and verbally badgering each other. A few citizens and ministers were in and on the fringes, but they were smart enough to fade away when the melee broke out.

    I don’t know the young lady who was murdered, but from what is being said of her, she was a FINE person. She wasn’t carrying a bottle of urine to throw or a club or wearing a mask or screaming into the faces of anyone.

    But you tone-deaf, lying, Trump derangement syndrome leftist Troglodytes so loathe Trump that you can hear anything that fits your narrative as coming out of his mouth whether he said it or not. You geniuses are so certain that you know his brain, his heart and his soul that he might just as well go to Hell today and save you people the trouble of having to continue to keep pumping your sewage into our homes and lives.

    Comment by Heliotrope — August 16, 2017 @ 7:03 pm - August 16, 2017

  14. He was talking about the people at the protest and whittled it down to two sides. One “side” was represented by the organised Tiki Torch March on Friday with the aforementioned chants who showed up to intimidate and terrorise. While there may have been “fine” people in that group who was solely there to protest the removal of the Lee statue and renaming of the park, where were they? Did they separate themselves from those who were chanting?

    Trump could have taken the opportunity to specifically denounce the marchers, but he didn’t.

    Violence was wrong on both sides. But one side clearly showed up in large numbers to terrorise minorities.

    Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — August 16, 2017 @ 8:23 pm - August 16, 2017

  15. Trump could have taken the opportunity to specifically denounce the marchers, but he didn’t.

    Which is a false-or-misleading statement on your part, CCP. Ugh!

    http://www.gaypatriot.net/2017/08/14/a-new-frenzy-in-the-push-to-overturn-the-2016-election/

    “Racism is evil,” Trump said from the White House Diplomatic Room. “And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.”

    Keep up!

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — August 16, 2017 @ 8:58 pm - August 16, 2017

  16. Hi ILoveCapitalism, Those weren’t the first words out of his mouth, but you caught me on a technicality. But, you also don’t want to engage the facts at the heart of this particular matter.

    If this were an instance of apparent left-wing media bias (like there was with the covering of Anti-Fa in Berkeley), I’d acknowledge it and move on (like I have in the past). But, this is an instance where a group organised and marched with Tiki Torches (not candles, not cell phone light features) to illuminate themselves while they chanted racist and homophobic chants to intimidate and terrorise a community some of them didn’t even live in. This was new, different, and scary. The very first words off a president’s lips about last weekend would have addressed:

    1) The intolerance of this kind of behaviour
    2) And the mindless, premeditated death of a woman marching peacefully.

    You can continue to equivocate, defending the president, criticising the mainstream media and anti-fa, etc, and keep on the narrative that “violence is of the left,” but in this instance, last weekend, this has fully leaked into an area of ambiguous integrity.

    Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — August 16, 2017 @ 9:19 pm - August 16, 2017

  17. Feel free to do profiles on the “very fine people” from last weekend.

    Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — August 16, 2017 @ 9:20 pm - August 16, 2017

  18. Well, Cray,Cray you have made your lie now show us the bed.

    Your opinion is that Trump was speaking of how the assholes on Friday night were screeching garbage. Your opinion is that Trump was saying that within that group were “fine” people.

    Prove it.

    And then, address the Antifa and the Black Lives Matter triggered combatants. Your opinion is that Trump was saying that within that group were “fine” people.

    Prove it.

    You can’t.

    Why did the white supremacists come to Charlottesville? One reason: To oppose removing the statues of Robert E. Lee.

    Why did the Black Lives Matter and Antifa come to Charlottesville? One reason: to oppose the white supremacists.

    So, by default, what was the position of Black Lives Matter and Antifa? Answer: to support removing the statues of Lee and Jackson.

    Which was the core problem confronting Charlottesville? 1.) Whether or not to remove the statues; or, 2.) how to attract white supremacists and their opponents?

    Outside of the supremacists and opponents of supremacists is a wonderful world of fine, wonderful, civilized, intelligent, thoughtful, treasured people who are able to work out solutions to complex problems and move forward. How many of these people are part of antifa, Black Lives Matter, white supremacists, etc.?

    Have it your way, CrayCray, because it is the only way your Alice in Wonderland no-brains-needed inverted world can work.

    You, Cray,Cray know how to troll. Understand this: the white supremacists, Black Lives Matter, antifa are trolling Charlottesville, logic, and civility and you are playing right along with them. So, there you are. A really superior deplorable.

    Comment by Heliotrope — August 16, 2017 @ 9:42 pm - August 16, 2017

  19. *I misused the term “premeditated.” My apologies.

    Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — August 16, 2017 @ 9:43 pm - August 16, 2017

  20. Prove it.

    Prove that there wasn’t a Tiki Torch Brigade with those threats? I can’t, because there was. Everyone saw it, including Trump. He’s an idiot for saying “very fine people.” But, then, ILoveCapitalism refused to quote it completely in his post (at the time I wrote this comment anyway). I’m not sure why.

    Again:

    But you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides

    After the events of the weekend, which included the Tiki Torch Brigade, and had such a pronounced presence, that they were a “side.” Litigating this?

    *shaking my head*

    It would have been as simple as coming forward first thing to say: “Violence is wrong, period. But, the Friday night marchers endeavoured something that was extremely ugly and deplorable and they have no place in our country. The actions of the man who plowed into a crowd of people with a multiple-ton machine has no place in our country.”

    It doesn’t take all that much to be presidential (at least more than Trump). You don’t need to “wait for the facts” to come in. They’re there.

    Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — August 16, 2017 @ 10:03 pm - August 16, 2017

  21. The conflict drew the attention of two white nationalists — Richard B. Spencer and Jason Kessler, both University of Virginia graduates. In May, Mr. Spencer, who gained national notoriety after the election of President Trump, led a gathering of torch-wielding protesters to the statue, which depicts Lee on horseback. At a Ku Klux Klan rally on July 8, the state police used pepper spray to disperse protesters, officials said.

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/11/us/white-nationalists-rally-charlottesville-virginia.html

    Comment by rusty — August 16, 2017 @ 10:08 pm - August 16, 2017

  22. Lawmakers from both sides denounced the president’s Tuesday remarks, including Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), in a series of Twitter messages.

    “Mr. President, you can’t allow #WhiteSupremacists to share only part of blame,” Rubio wrote. “The #WhiteSupremacy groups will see being assigned only 50% of blame as a win. We can not allow this old evil to be resurrected.”

    Comment by rusty — August 16, 2017 @ 10:12 pm - August 16, 2017

  23. Fascinating

    Jason Kessler and Posobiec are connected

    Jason tweeted:

    Evidently I’ve been blocked by @JackPosobiec for pointing out how he plagiarized my work when he worked for Rebel

    Comment by rusty — August 16, 2017 @ 10:41 pm - August 16, 2017

  24. On Sunday, right-wing political activist Jason Kessler tweeted his March 13 video side by side with an April 20 video The Rebel posted featuring Posobiec, prompting the company to issue an apology.

    “Today we learned via social media that extended passages of this video by Jack Posobiec were copied word-for-word from original work produced by Jason Kessler, which can be seen here and here,” the company said in a statement.

    “Although Kessler’s original work is briefly shown on-screen and is mentioned in passing, the work was not properly attributed. The Rebel would like to apologize to Mr. Kessler, and has sent him all advertising revenues earned from this video.”

    An analysis of the comparison shows that both videos contain many of the same lines word for word.

    Comment by rusty — August 16, 2017 @ 10:44 pm - August 16, 2017

  25. rusty and CCP can’t keep up or think for themselves. CCP is lost in the weeds, again.

    Freedom of Speech is NOT for just the very fine folks as defined by CCP. Sorry honey bunch, you lost again. There is a reason you live in a country that does not include Freedom of Speech as a God given right. “Constitutional law protection. The Australian Constitution does not explicitly protect freedom of expression. However, the High Court has held that an implied freedom of political communication exists as an indispensible part of the system of representative and responsible government created by the Constitution.”

    One party was there legally, the other was not.

    If you are intimidated by torches and chants, why go near them? You see, antifa and BLM went there looking for a fight. They came armed. There have been scores of rallies by the ” not really right alt right” with no violence. Now, the antifa crowd and the BLM crowd shows up and there is violence.

    Why aren’t you demanding that Shumer and Pelosi call out antifa a BLM specifically for their many acts of violence?

    We all know why. Do you?

    Comment by TnnsNe1 — August 16, 2017 @ 10:48 pm - August 16, 2017

  26. http://amp.dailycaller.com/2017/06/19/the-rebel-media-apologizes-over-jack-posobeic-plagiarism-allegations/

    Comment by rusty — August 16, 2017 @ 10:48 pm - August 16, 2017

  27. Republican elected officials around the country expressed outrage when Mr Trump appeared to defend the organisers.

    “As we pray for Charlottesville, we are reminded of the fundamental truths recorded by that city’s most prominent citizen in the Declaration of Independence: we are all created equal and endowed by our Creator with unalienable rights,” a statement from the two former presidents said. The Bush folk

    BBC

    Comment by rusty — August 16, 2017 @ 11:08 pm - August 16, 2017

  28. rusty, you’re knocking Jack in the wrong post 😉 I have an upcoming one where he features more. You will be able to repost your anti-Jack comments there.

    P.S. for the gallery – What part of Trump’s “I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists [as fine people], because they should be condemned totally” is so freakin’ hard to understand?

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — August 17, 2017 @ 2:40 am - August 17, 2017

  29. OK, Cray,Cray @ #20, I will give it one more shot.

    1.) The statues of Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson are slated for removal due to action by the City Council.

    2.) The white supremacists have gotten three permits to protest removing the statues …. the last one on August 12.

    3.) On Friday night, August 11, the white supremacists had a tiki torch parade and made vile chants about blacks and Jews and God know what else.

    4.) On Saturday, Antifa and Black Lives Matter came to hound the white supremacists. They were screaming about white supremacy. By default, they were screaming about removing the statues.

    5.) No matter how thick or thin you slice it, the issue was over keeping or removing the statues.

    6.) Demonizing words spewed from the white racists and demonizing words spewed from the Black Lives Matter and the Antifa.

    7.) Meanwhile, there were many, many more people gathered who were not part of Antifa, the white supremacists, or Black Lives Matter.

    8.) The issue has two sides: [A.] Remove the statues and [B.] Preserve the statues.

    9.) Fine people in Charlottesville have struggled over that issue for more than a year. Some fine people want the statues gone and some fine people want the statues to stay where they are.

    10.) None of the assholes who came to town as white supremacists or Black Lives Matter or Antifa were fine people. They are hooligan, thug trash who added ZERO to the debate.

    11.) Trump acknowledged that there are fine people on both sides of the debate.

    12.) You insist he was praising the white supremacists and endorsing their vile speech on Friday night.

    13.) That is your leap to take.

    14.) In taking that leap, you reduce Charlottesville to a battling town of bigots, thugs and smear artists who have no respect for free speech and the rule of law.

    15.) By doing that, you reduce anyone who is on the preservation side of the statues to be no better than what a gang of thugs yelled on Friday night.

    16.) You might just as well say that those of us who are black go to bed at night singing about frying cops like bacon and get up in the morning singing it anew.

    17.) Please stay out of Charlottesville. The town is really, really tired and worn out from drop-in bigotry. Charlottesville hosts 17,000+ students from around the globe and town and gown get along very well together. Thomas Jefferson, James Madison and James Monroe likenesses adorn the building above the entrance to city hall. Jefferson founded the university and put his stamp all over it. The Lawn is filled with building he designed and oversaw the construction. Slaves and free people built those buildings. There is a very long history in Charlottesville and some of it is “unsettling” but until now, Charlottesville has been left to work out its own problems.

    You insist that Charlottesville is nothing more than what got you stirred up. How, pray tell, do you think the people of Charlottesville feel about how the world of CrayCrays see the town?

    The Rotunda at UVa was used as a Confederate hospital. Confederate soldiers died there. They were buried in the university cemetery and there are a lot of them. There is a Confederate soldier statue there. There are also graves of students, faculty and university presidents.

    What do you outsiders who come to Charlottesville to spew bigotry and hate have in mind for the cemetery? How about the statues to other people of Charlottesville like Lewis and Clark who went out and screwed up the world of “Native Americans” — you people got plans for them too?

    Charlottesville has always been a welcoming city. People flock to the town as tourists. Generally speaking, I doubt that 1 in a million of them go parading around screaming about Jews or white supremacy or frying cops like bacon or spewing Marxism.

    But, they are welcome to do so. In front of the city hall, there is a long slate wall which is the freedom of speech wall. You will find chalk there and you may write anything you like. It will stay until the wall is regularly washed so that others may participate.

    You can drive up to Pantops and visit the Freedom of Speech Foundation where scholars meet and wrestle with all sorts of knotty problems concerning speech issues. Fine people. Fine people on both sides of the issues.

    Charlottesville is 80% or more Democrat and liberal. It is full of quirky artists of all sorts and lots and lots of restaurants and craft beer places and “cosmopolitan” swish. But, somehow it has settled into living with its highly conservative rural neighbors, many of whom trace back to Hessian soldiers taken prisoner at Saratoga, New York during the Revolutionary War. The town is not overwhelmed by its history, but it is respectful of it. That is how fine people are. On both sides of complex issues. They don’t parade around with sticks and scream obscene things.

    Comment by Heliotrope — August 17, 2017 @ 2:45 am - August 17, 2017

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