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We condemn racists – and violent socialists

Racism is stupid and wrong.

Violating others’ rights to their own life, liberty and property is stupid and wrong.

Therefore, slavery is stupid and wrong. Discrimination is stupid and wrong. Crime is stupid and wrong. Tyranny/dictatorship is stupid and wrong. And socialism is stupid and wrong.

We condemn and disavow the racist, criminal and/or tyrannical beliefs and actions that manifest among neo-Nazis, KKK, white identitarians, any of the #WhiteLivesMatter types of U.S. citizens.

We condemn the racist, criminal and/or tyrannical beliefs and actions that manifest among the Antifa, #BlackLivesMatter or any other left-wing types of U.S. citizens.

We condemn and disavow criminal violence wherever it manifests, whether among Alt Left demonstrators, Alt Left nutcases (like that guy who shot up Congress), Alt Right demonstrators, or Alt Right nutcases (like that guy who rammed his car at counter-demonstrators).

To the extent that they can keep it non-violent, we support both the Alt Left and Alt Right in exercising their First Amendment right to demonstrate. However stupid or offensive their statements may seem.

We support Liberty under the Rule of Law, including the First Amendment. #AllLivesMatter

We note that the Democrat party is the party of institutional and historical racism in the U.S. And the party of socialism. As such, we call upon all Democrats to disavow the violence and bigotry that manifest among the Antifa and #BlackLivesMatter types of people; which, at present, most Democrats are busy denying or excusing.

In a saner world, all of the above statements would be obvious and non-controversial. Perhaps not even needing to be said.

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18 Comments

  1. Shame the (new) narcissist in chief could not get out thise simple points and take the win.

    Comment by Nuge — August 17, 2017 @ 6:32 pm - August 17, 2017

  2. Amen.

    Comment by Heliotrope — August 17, 2017 @ 7:13 pm - August 17, 2017

  3. I came here to post about the TB scare going on in San Fran. Its possible for TB to be spread to the penis, & also a possibility of it being spread by oral sex. Given how many refugees rent boys have TB, flavored condoms would be advised for our community that thinks PREP solves everything.

    http://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/another-tb-scare-in-san-francisco/

    https://www.readbyqxmd.com/read/28208927/tuberculosis-of-glans-penis-a-rare-presentation

    Comment by Steve — August 17, 2017 @ 7:52 pm - August 17, 2017

  4. CTRL-ALT-Left Antifa smashing car windows killed the cat lady
    CNN blamed TRUMP
    See 5 sec before (((FAKE-NEWS))) car video at
    VDARE
    Narrative Collapse

    Moslem motorist mows down dozens= moderate moslems fear backlash of tomorrows terror attack

    Comment by Steve — August 17, 2017 @ 7:55 pm - August 17, 2017

  5. I did agree with you that discrimination is stupid and wrong. discrimination is freedom, it is the right to make a choice. if you have no right to choose you have no freedom. in this country we say that some reasons for making a choice will not be allowed because they conflict with equal protection of the law. i.e. the civil rights act. but to say that any discrimination is wrong is saying that you are opposed to freedom. that is why the left always says it is opposed to discrimination because leftists are opposed to freedom. and leftists(democrats)are not opposed to racial discrimination otherwise we would never have affirmative action laws that deny whites the protection of the civil rights act to not be discriminated against because of the color of their skin.

    Comment by salg — August 17, 2017 @ 7:59 pm - August 17, 2017

  6. Never thought that you approved of Nasty Nazis,Kooky Klansmen or Crazy Commies, but maybe you had to put it out for little letter mike’ s benefit. As repulsive as I find those organizations, I am equally nonplussed by the people who wish to outlaw them. Who gets to decide who is , the news media, scary stuff. I would be content if we could arrange a Final Battle between all 4 of these loathsome groups in the superdome, but that would be unchristian of me.

    Comment by Matthew the Oilman — August 17, 2017 @ 8:14 pm - August 17, 2017

  7. That this needs to be a post is a sad commentary on the times…

    Comment by Sean L — August 17, 2017 @ 9:05 pm - August 17, 2017

  8. Missouri state sen. Maria Chappelle-Nadal has posted that she hopes Trump is assassinated. Some have called for her resignation.

    Comment by Ignatius — August 17, 2017 @ 10:38 pm - August 17, 2017

  9. I think the fact that ILC has had to say this, delineate it as an American, says quite a bit about the status of the Left’s anti-Americanism. Things are way beyond just not ::respecting:: the Constitution & the values of our Society. We are indeed, already in civil war. Pick your targets wisely, watch out for scouts. Protect & preserve. It’s a good time to show your quality.

    Comment by Hanover — August 17, 2017 @ 11:46 pm - August 17, 2017

  10. @1 Amen bis repetita.

    Here’s another 2 minute-long paraphrase:

    Collectivism vs Inalienable Individual Rights

    https://youtu.be/EWVDG0kIux0

    Comment by Cyril — August 18, 2017 @ 1:39 am - August 18, 2017

  11. There can be no doubt that most of those in the democracies who demand a central direction of all economic activity still believe that socialism and individual freedom can be combined.

    Yet socialism was early recognized by many thinkers as the gravest threat to freedom.

    It is rarely remembered now that socialism in its beginnings was frankly authoritarian.

    It began quite openly as a reaction against the liberalism of the French Revolution. The French writers who laid its foundation had no doubt that their ideas could be put into practice only by a strong dictatorial government. The first of modern planners, Saint-Simon, predicted that those who did not obey his proposed planning boards would be “treated as cattle.”

    […]

    To allay these suspicions and to harness to its cart the strongest of all political motives—the craving for freedom—socialists began increasingly to make use of the promise of a “new freedom.” Socialism was to bring “economic freedom,” without which political freedom was “not worth having.”

    To make this argument sound plausible, the word “freedom” was subjected to a subtle change in meaning. The word had formerly meant freedom from coercion, from the arbitrary power of other men. Now it was made to mean freedom from necessity, release from the compulsion of the circumstances which inevitably limit the range of choice of all of us. Freedom in this sense is, of course, merely another name for power or wealth.

    The demand for the new freedom was thus only another name for the old demand for a redistribution of wealth.

    The claim that a planned economy would produce a substantially larger output than the competitive system is being progressively abandoned by most students of the problem. Yet it is this false hope as much as anything which drives us along the road to planning.

    Although our modern socialists’ promise of greater freedom is genuine and sincere, in recent years observer after observer has been impressed by the unforeseen consequences of socialism, the extraordinary similarity in many respects of the conditions under “communism” and “fascism.”

    […]

    The relative ease with which a young communist could be converted into a Nazi or vice versa was well known, best of all to the propagandists of the two parties.The communists and Nazis clashed more frequently with each other than with other parties simply because they competed for the same type of mind and reserved for each other the hatred of the heretic. Their practice showed how closely they are related.

    To both, the real enemy, the man with whom they had nothing in common, was the liberal of the old type.

    While to the Nazi the communist and to the communist the Nazi, and to both the socialist, are potential recruits made of the right timber, they both know that there can be no compromise between them and those who really believe in individual freedom.

    What is promised to us as the Road to Freedom is in fact the Highroad to Servitude.

    For it is not difficult to see what must be the consequences when democracy embarks upon a course of planning. The goal of the planning will be described by some such vague term as “the general welfare.” There will be no real agreement as to the ends to be attained, and the effect of the people’s agreeing that there must be central planning, without agreeing on the ends, will be rather as if a group of people were to commit themselves to take a journey together without agreeing where they want to go:

    with the result that they may all have to make a journey which most of them do not want at all.

    Democratic assemblies cannot function as planning agencies. They cannot produce agreement on everything—the whole direction of the resources of the nation-for the number of possible courses of action will be legion. Even if a congress could, by proceeding step by step and compromising at each point, agree on some scheme, it would certainly in the end satisfy nobody.

    To draw up an economic plan in this fashion is even less possible than, for instance, successfully to plan a military campaign by democratic procedure. As in strategy it would become inevitable to delegate the task to experts. And even if, by this expedient, a democracy should succeed in planning every sector of economic activity, it would still have to face the problem of integrating these separate plans into a unitary whole.

    There will be a stronger and stronger demand that some board or some single individual should be given power to act on their own responsibility. The cry for an economic dictator is a characteristic stage in the movement toward planning. Thus the legislative body will be reduced to choosing the persons who are to have practically absolute power.

    The whole system will tend toward that kind of dictatorship in which the head of the government is position by popular vote, but where he has all the powers at his command to make certain that the vote will go in the direction he desires. Planning leads to dictatorship because dictatorship is the most effective instrument of coercion and, as such, essential if central planning on a large scale is to be possible.

    There is no justification for the widespread belief that, so long as power is conferred by democratic procedure, it cannot be arbitrary; it is not the source of power which prevents it from being arbitrary; to be free from dictatorial qualities, the power must also be limited. A true “dictatorship of the proletariat,” even if democratic in form, if it undertook centrally to direct the economic system, would probably destroy personal freedom as completely as any autocracy has ever done.

    Individual freedom cannot be reconciled with the supremacy of one single purpose to which the whole of society is permanently subordinated. To a limited extent we ourselves experience this fact in wartime, when subordination of almost everything to the immediate and pressing need is the price at which we preserve our freedom in the long run.

    […]

    To those who have watched the transition from socialism to fascism at close quarters, the connection between the two systems is obvious. The realization of the socialist program means the destruction of freedom. Democratic socialism, the great utopia of the last few generations, is simply not achievable.

    — F. A. Hayek, “The Great Utopia” in the condensed version of “The Road to Serfdom”, The Reader’s Digest, April 1945

    Comment by Cyril — August 18, 2017 @ 2:48 am - August 18, 2017

  12. And yet our resident Muslim jihadist apologist still has not commented about what occurred in Barcelona. Typical.

    Regards,
    Peter H.

    Comment by Peter Hughes — August 18, 2017 @ 9:57 am - August 18, 2017

  13. I liked the post. I think the antifa mob make the situation worse and help bring about the social destabilization they assert they are fighting–as do the alt-right. It is sad that more on the left don’t want to acknowledge it. Ideas should be combatted with ideas, not the truncheon or a ramming vehicle. The only thing I would add to your post ILoveCapitalism, is that I also abhor violent capitalists and the violent governments that support them. Eugene Debs said it best all those years ago at his sentencing for sedition in criticizing the US Government. His critique today is as relevant today as it was then.

    Comment by Cas — August 18, 2017 @ 11:36 am - August 18, 2017

  14. Now that the ANTIFA and their Mainstream Media fellow-travelers have crudely redefined the discussion, how do we separate the Constitutional Nationalists(?) Patriots from the crazies and the stupids of the Alt-Right in the public forum of ideas?

    Comment by Ted B. (Charging Rhino) — August 18, 2017 @ 12:36 pm - August 18, 2017

  15. I disagree with you that discrimination is stupid and wrong. discrimination is freedom, it is the right to make a choice… to say that any discrimination is wrong is saying that you are opposed to freedom.

    That’s true, salg. So it’s only fair that I should have to add qualifiers, here.

    First, in this post, I used “discrimination” loosely, really meaning prejudice (pre-judging people on surface characteristics). Lots of discrimination in the sense “choosing the good”, is valid.

    Second, even prejudice should be (or is) constitutionally allowed; the law need not ban everything that is stupid or wrong, and becomes tyrannical if it tries to. Freedom includes the right to be left alone to live with the consequences of your mistakes.

    So a gay bakery should be able to refuse service to Christians and a Christian bakery should be able to refuse service to gays. In both cases, I’ll defend their right to do it (freedom of association). Along the way, I may also note my personal view that it’s probably stupid or unfair of them.

    That this needs to be a post is a sad commentary on the times…

    Agree. But, I had some subtext in mind.

    First, I wanted to draw a moral equivalence between Antifa and neo-Nazis, or between #BlackLivesMatter (with the advocacy of cop-killing and black racism) and the people whom I’ve been calling #WhiteLivesMatter, or between what are today being called Alt Left and Alt Right.

    Second, I’m basically taking the stand that President Trump has taken – but I wanted it to be in my (or our/GP’s) voice, in case anything happens to him.

    I liked the post. I think the antifa mob make the situation worse and help bring about the social destabilization they assert they are fighting–as do the alt-right. It is sad that more on the left don’t want to acknowledge it…Ideas should be combatted with ideas…

    Thank you, Cas.

    I also abhor violent capitalists and the violent governments that support them

    State-backed “capitalism” isn’t capitalism (i.e. free enterprise, or Separation of Business and State). It’s fascism (i.e. the program that was advocated by Mussolini).

    The purpose of government is to evenly guarantee everyone’s rights to their own life, liberty and property. On doing so, a playing field exists in which people must deal with each other by mutual, voluntary consent (which is good). I oppose people getting rich by government favors/force.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — August 18, 2017 @ 1:10 pm - August 18, 2017

  16. […] We condemn racists – and violent socialists […]

    Pingback by GayPatriot » Alt Left, Alt Right and other terms — August 18, 2017 @ 2:40 pm - August 18, 2017

  17. This piece written by the Dilbert cartoonist is right on the mark with respect to the “mass hysteria” that is happening post-Charlottesville. It is an extremely worthwhile read.

    http://blog.dilbert.com/post/164297628606/how-to-know-youre-in-a-mass-hysteria-bubble

    Comment by Sarah — August 18, 2017 @ 3:22 pm - August 18, 2017

  18. “The purpose of government is to evenly guarantee everyone’s rights to their own life, liberty and property. On doing so, a playing field exists in which people must deal with each other by mutual, voluntary consent (which is good). I oppose people getting rich by government favors/force.”

    And yet ILoveCapitalism, this purpose has been changed over time as government and capitalism have become completely and perversely intertwined with the emergence of monopoly capitalism and corporations. One might as well speak to the timelessness of Smith’s Wealth of Nations and Theory of Moral Sentiments without also recognizing that these texts emerged in an historical time and place and in which many of the underlying assumptions concerning capitalism have subsequently changed.

    You have acknowledged in the past that corporations can behave pathologically. That isn’t a bug–that’s a feature. And that matters. Your desire for an efficient and equitable capitalism is a great ideal; it isn’t happening any time soon or late…

    Comment by Cas — August 19, 2017 @ 1:16 am - August 19, 2017

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