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How exactly did Charlottesville go so wrong?

A number of articles in the last two weeks raise important questions about the role of the police/government, in generating the Charlottesville tragedy. In presenting some of them below, I’m keeping my tone as neutral as I can.

Aug. 25 from the New York Times, “As White Nationalist in Charlottesville Fired, Police ‘Never Moved’”.

As demonstrators clashed near a downtown park here two weeks ago, a white nationalist protester in a bulletproof vest turned, pointed a pistol toward the crowd and fired a single shot at the ground, in the direction of a black man wielding an improvised torch.

To make his escape, a video recording shows, the armed protester strolled past a line of about a dozen state police troopers who were safely positioned about 10 feet away behind two metal barricades. None of them budged.

“We all heard it and ran — I know damn well they heard it,” said Rosia Parker, a community activist in Charlottesville. “They never moved.”

And so on. They got the shooter later, yay! But why only later? What were the police doing, on-scene? Nothing.

Note: That does not necessarily mean the police were wrong; it could be, rather, that a higher authority gave them bad orders. You will see this become a theme. As NYT puts it, “So stark was the police failure to intervene, many participants in the protest and counterprotests believe it was by design.”

Next, the finger-pointing between local police, Virginia state police, and various politicians (including Gov. Terry McAuliffe – D). From the above NYT article:

The city did not use a number of security measures recommended by the state police, said Brian Moran, Virginia’s secretary of public safety and homeland security, including a ban on weapons and sticks of all kinds. The state also proposed designating parking areas, busing protesters and cutting off traffic for at least 10 blocks. None of that happened, he said…

The organizers of the rally said the [local] police had unilaterally changed details that they spent weeks negotiating, such as how they would safely enter and exit the park. “They didn’t follow through on any part of their plan,” said one of the coordinators…“They threw the whole thing away without telling us.” The changes involved every aspect of logistics, he said, including where counterprotesters would be, which streets would be blocked and how V.I.P.s would enter.

More from Breitbart:

From The Washington Free Beacon on Aug. 14, more on the finger-pointing between the Virginia State Police and Gov. McAuliffe:

The Virginia State Police were prepared for the protests-turned-riots in Charlottesville, Va…despite what Governor Terry McAuliffe (D.) has said…

“No, the State Police did not have inferior equipment,” Corinne Geller, Virginia State Police public relations manager, told the Free Beacon. “Our personnel are equipped, and were equipped, with the necessary protective and tactical gear for their safety and, obviously, to protect those that were in attendance of the event…There were no shots fired at the event or anything of that nature but our folks had the proper gear and tactical equipment they needed…”

[Whereas] McAuliffe told the New York Times the protesters had better equipment than the State Police, and that accounted for part of the reason police took what critics have decried as a hands-off approach to the violence.

“It’s easy to criticize, but I can tell you this, 80 percent of the people here had semiautomatic weapons,” McAuliffe told the paper. “You saw the militia walking down the street, you would have thought they were an army. I was just talking to the State Police upstairs; they had better equipment than our State Police had…”

The McAuliffe quote has since been edited and rephrased by the Times in the hours since the piece was originally published…

The State Police defended their efforts to police the event and said they were actively involved in breaking up violent encounters.

“There were physical barriers in place for folks to be able to use for their safety. We cannot tell people where to assemble, there’s freedom of assembly…There were some bottlenecks, as you can imagine, that did occur.”

Geller said the large police presence may have added to the impression for some that police were simply letting protesters clash…

Accounts from reporters on the ground in Charlottesville on Saturday also mentioned the strong police presence and quickly dissipating violent clashes, as well as violent clashes where police did not intervene…

McAuliffe seems concerned to deflect blame away from himself, by hyping the alleged threat of right-wing weaponry.

Last – and perhaps least, because it could be as self-interested or biased an account as any – The Daily Caller had an account from a racist participant, Pax Dickinson. It’s long. The short version is that, on somebody’s orders (we don’t know whose), the police deliberately pushed the protestors and counter-protestors together – deliberately creating a clash.

[several paragraphs describing the Charlottesville rally’s layout]

Shortly after all rally attendees were present in the park, word began to spread that a State of Emergency had been declared, presumably by Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe. At my position in Pen 2, people were confused by this. It seemed unnecessary and preemptive since the rally seemed fairly well under control at this point. It was about 11:30 a.m., and the rally was not scheduled to start until noon.

After some minutes of confusion and rumors, Virginia State Police got on a loudspeaker and announced that we had been declared an unlawful assembly. We were instructed to leave the park, and told that anyone refusing to do so would be arrested.

Attendees began attempting to leave via exits 1 & 2 and were set upon by antifa as they attempted to do so…

We retreated through the western barricade but police on 1st St. would not let us onto the street forced us to retreat south. We’re pushed through the barricade at the south end of 1st St. and onto Market St., which was lined on both sides with mobs of screaming antifa with no police presence whatsoever.

We ran west on Market St, running a gauntlet of antifa throwing bottles, sticks, and rocks…[resulting in] multiple heavily bleeding scalp wounds…

From there the bulk of the rally attendees were able to march north and eventually reached the relative safety of MacIntyre Park, about two miles away, but many had been scattered throughout the city by the chaos of the dispersal.

At that point the police had completely lost control of the city. The State of Emergency order meant that any public gathering was de facto illegal, but antifa were still allowed to roam freely bearing weapons and attacking people…

My conclusions are that police wanted this to happen. It’s clear that VSP had specific orders to drive us out of the park to the south, into the teeth of violent armed antifa counter-protesters.

Police could have easily separated the barricades and removed all rally participants to the north, away from antifa and into empty streets fully controlled by law enforcement. We were driven into a hostile situation intentionally. It’s impossible not to believe that the authorities issuing these orders knew exactly what would happen and that they wanted rally attendees to be harmed and possibly killed.

There was an assumption that police would allow a retreat to the north in the event of a rally cancellation, no one imagined the police would choose to facilitate a clearly violent situation and force the two sides into uncontrolled contact. This looks like it was done with the intent to deny civil rights of a legal protest, in direct defiance of a federal court order. We were set up and trapped, then pushed into a kill zone full of hostile armed enemies. Every injury at this event was due to to the nonsensical withdrawal order of the police.

National Guard (or possibly feds? It’s unclear) had a viewing post atop the funeral home at the corner of 1st and Market, equipped with several cameras. That video will corroborate my story if released…

The opposing sides could have been kept apart very easily, but police chose not to keep the sides apart.

Governor Terry McAuliffe and the Virginia State Police have blood on their hands, and they must be held to account for that.

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38 Comments

  1. gotta love the leftist fascists fighting amongst themselves (take all the race out of the Nazi and Anti-facks wants, moderate the wording on Jews, and you can’t tell it from OWS or a Bernie bro), but anyhow. A couple of offhand observations:

    So, a group with weapons threatens another group with weapons and there are cries that one side protected itself with weapons.

    Isn’t it nice the Governor there got elected in part due to massive donations from Trump? (that said, I’m glad he will do what I’d mostly like just to get back at 0bama and Hillary for personal insults)

    Has anyone looked deeply into donations given to the KKK, Neo-Nazis, and Alt-rightoids? Would anyone be surprised if it comes from shells backed by a certain Hungarian Jew Nazi collaborator?

    How short sighted are those calling for restrictions of our rights when someone they detest and do not trust is the person who will enforce that if it comes to be? Okay. not short sighted, totally effing blind to reality . . . well we’re talking leftoids here. Incredible stupidity is a given.

    Comment by JPKalishek — August 27, 2017 @ 6:27 am - August 27, 2017

  2. This is the first I have heard of any shots being fired.

    Comment by Craig Smith — August 27, 2017 @ 7:56 am - August 27, 2017

  3. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wired.com/story/leaked-alt-right-chat-logs-are-key-to-charlottesville-lawsuits/amp

    Interesting read

    Comment by rusty — August 27, 2017 @ 8:23 am - August 27, 2017

  4. […] Gay Patriot covers how Charlottesville went wrong […]

    Pingback by Sorta Blogless Sunday Pinup » Pirate's Cove — August 27, 2017 @ 9:11 am - August 27, 2017

  5. And rusty completely ignores the role of the violent unhinged Progressive mob and the willful acts of the Democrat Governor responsible for a woman’s death.

    rusty has a broken moral compass just like his heros Clinton and Pelosi.

    Why isn’t rusty calling for a federal investigation of the governor’s actions? Simple, rusty agrees that the COTUS is now a meaningless document. Mob rule is where it is at.

    It has become apparent that Charlottesville was an orchestrated “riot” to give other liberal cities/states a reason to curtail 1st Amendment rights.

    The Progressives want nothing to do with Freedom of Speech or lawful assembly unless the Speech is stamped with “Progressive Approved”. Reminds me of little children who put fingers in their ears and stomp their feet, “I can’t hear you”.

    Progressives still don’t realize they are in the minority. Good.

    I have stopped posting comments on articles in the local Progressive newspaper. Most sane Conservatives have also stopped. The comment section of that newspaper has turned into an escalating Progressive echo chamber. What the ignorant Progressives fail to realize is thousands of people read the comments. Why should I interrupt their self destruction?

    Comment by TnnsNe1 — August 27, 2017 @ 9:34 am - August 27, 2017

  6. these democrat politicians want the violence because they know the democrat party-media complex will blame the violence on trump. it is the same thing the democrat party was doing during the campaign by inciting violence at trump rallies that the complex blamed on trump supporters.

    Comment by salg — August 27, 2017 @ 9:41 am - August 27, 2017

  7. Craig Smith (#2): me too. I think it’s just made up, but I’m a suspicious person.

    TnnsNe1 (#4): I cancelled my subscription to the local monopoly newspaper and told everyone whom I called and who called me about my account that I was cancelling because I couldn’t take their (lefty, and virulently anti-Trump) editorial bias. The people actually in the business of producing a physical newspaper sounded resigned. I was obviously not the first. (And I’m sorry for those people–I hope the editors learn, but based on the actions of the Washington Post, I don’t think so.)

    And I agree that the situation in Charlottesville was orchestrated to get the reaction they got. The governor is a carpetbagger (unwanted and self-serving outsider coming in, a term from Radical Reconstruction), but the more local and permanent types should have known better.

    Comment by TheQuietMan — August 27, 2017 @ 10:18 am - August 27, 2017

  8. Me thinks we’re being sent a invitation to a English or Japanese style civil war. I don’t want to participate.

    Comment by Matthew the Oilman — August 27, 2017 @ 10:22 am - August 27, 2017

  9. There are also unconfirmed rumors of right-wing protesters, wearing swastika armbands or KKK robes, and leftist counter-protesters, wearing Antifa balaclavas and/or BLM shirts, coming from out of state and arriving in the same buses. At this point, nothing would surprise me.

    And of course, the politicians and the MSM are using the example of Charlottesville to justify more anti-gun laws and more censorship. Nancy Pelosi wants to ban a pro-free speech rally in San Francisco, because if you cry “wolf” in a crowded theater, it gathers no moss. Or something.

    Comment by Tom — August 27, 2017 @ 10:31 am - August 27, 2017

  10. The Charlottesville police were anticipating up to 6,000 and had plans in place.

    After the tragedy, the complaints were raised that the police didn’t respond.

    At the first city council meeting after the mess all manner of hell broke loose and the finger was pointed at the Chief of Police and the City Manager.

    The three links are to C-ville which is a “Village Voice” sort of advertising publication for restaurants, bands, and yoga. It taps into the the leftist crowd and has a distinct social-liberal bias in its reporting. From it, one can get a pretty good smell of how the left is in turmoil.

    If you go to the links, look around at other related articles. And be certain to read the comments. The “not-left” often throw some good retorts.

    Until ILC’s post above, I had not heard about the gun shot. There is so much duck, cover, run, explain, cry and fume going on that it is very difficult to know what is real and what it not.

    But (here I go again) Charles Péguy is right: “Everything begins in mystery and ends in politics.” Of course, the mystery of whether the statues should go or stay went directly and immediately to politics. No case was ever made for history and acknowledging the past. The two “sides” went right past “stay or go” and became white supremacists vs. enlightened and righteous thinkers.

    No real attention has be paid by the leftists to what “antifa” and “Black Lives Matter” and interested observers like Cornell West brought to the table.

    In summary, this was never a Charlottesville problem. It was always a Gettysburg situation. Charlottesville provided the battlefield and the white supremacist loons were met on the Charlottesville battlefield by righteous clergy who came from afar, “antifa” who smelled a riot opportunity, “Black Lives Matter” who are professional rent-a-mob haters and dried up hippies from the 60’s shaking their gnarled fists at the moon.

    McAuliffe is posturing strictly from his political ambitions playbook. Mayor Signer is a piece of work heading himself for political fame and fortune.

    Mayor Signer acts like a fish on a hook and is flailing in every direction.

    ILC asks: How exactly did Charlottesville go so wrong?

    The “exactly” is the stumbling block. Jason Kessler and his Unite the Right short-sheeted the bed these liberals lounge in. Just “who and what” Kessler is does not matter. Maybe he is another David Brock.

    But Kessler saw an opportunity to strut white supremacy and he knew from day one that Charlottesville was the perfect place for the perfect storm. He caused the nation to fall down a rabbit hole into a flustercluck land where people ask which way to go without knowing where they want to end up. Where doors open from one side only. Where random, senseless, illogical patterns turn the rules into impediments and where reality almost vanishes. The righteous opposition to white supremacy people came to sadistically delight in a taunting madness motivated by anger and self-proclaimed superiority. They had the sense of “a Christian holding five aces” (Mark Twain) and then the cops failed them and about two hours later, a disgruntled loser plowed his Dodge Charger into a crowd which happened to be composed of the righteous left. Then a state police helicopter fell apart and killed its two state police occupants.

    The antagonists in this morality tale are 1.) fate, 2.) “under”-responsive police powers, 3.) political ambition and 4.) righteousness.

    For what is may be worth, I place partial blame on Charlottesville which has slickly manipulated its liberal “zeitgeist” for many years. [The Zeitgeist is the dominant set of ideals and beliefs that motivate the actions of the members of a society in particular period of time.] There is the zeitgeist in Charlottesville (it voted 80% Clinton in 2016), a regional zeitgeist, and a national zeitgeist. The national liberal zeitgeist came to Charlottesville to confront the white supremacist dead-enders and they brought their media with them.

    So, whatever “Charlottesville” does or doesn’t do, it has to answer to the righteous over-seers at the manipulation controls of the leftist national zeitgeist.

    Heather Heyer’s corpse may have been a gruesome sort of momentary “high” for the anti-white supremacy agitators, but now the 80% city has to explain how it let something so possible to manage go so wrong.

    Comment by Heliotrope — August 27, 2017 @ 10:47 am - August 27, 2017

  11. Where is the video of the pistol shot?

    Comment by Sennacherib — August 27, 2017 @ 10:50 am - August 27, 2017

  12. I’ll be interested in the post mortem, when it is released. As for the future lessons, though I hope that Charlottesville was an aberration, I fear it will be the start of the new normal. The video can be found here. My main concern that with an armed citizenry, the pistol shot is a sign of things to come. If people on both sides come armed, and decide to defend themselves when emotions are running high and reason is walking low, it is going to degenerate very quickly.

    Comment by Cas — August 27, 2017 @ 11:12 am - August 27, 2017

  13. @ #8:

    coming from out of state and arriving in the same buses

    Just a guess which I have not researched ––– white supremacists were assigned parking at McIntire Park and the “opposition-others” like Antifa and BLM were assigned parking at Charlottesville High School.

    It is possible that busses were provided to carry the people from the distant parking to the Lee Park area in downtown where the protest took place. The walk from Charlottesville High School and McIntire Park (they are adjacent to one another) to Lee Park would be circuitous and difficult for anyone who doesn’t know the town. Those locations are across a major four lane highway with very limited provisions to cross over or under it by foot.

    I keep reading about generic white busses or vans. There are several vendors in the area who cater to weddings, events, etc. who provide such chauffeur driven vehicles. My “bet” is that there is a logical explanation for what several people have “spotted and hinted at” as some sort of conspiracy or special ops.

    Comment by Heliotrope — August 27, 2017 @ 12:20 pm - August 27, 2017

  14. Cas, so now Progressives are exercising their 2nd Amendment rights? Funny that.

    This is just another scare tactic to remove 2nd Amendment rights. Progressives are seeking to remove most of the Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights makes it much harder for the Progressives to control others.

    These violent Progressives are bringing about unintended consequences. It won’t end well for them.

    Comment by TnnsNe1 — August 27, 2017 @ 12:46 pm - August 27, 2017

  15. TnnsNe1,
    Whether I think the idea of people walking around with concealed firearms is a good idea or not in our society, it is the law of the land. Still, you would have to be willfully blind to the implications of the wide spread carrying of concealed (and visible) firearms in incendiary situations such as what has happened in Charlottesville. Social norms are breaking down, right now, in real time, helped by provocative language on both sides. I am one of those commenters here who thinks that the President has done a piss-poor job of handling this, as well as other situations. You are clearly not of a conservative bent, with your barely concealed glee at the thought that “violent Progressives” will get their comeuppance as the social fabric continues to tear. Your last paragraph would appear to suggest that the folks injured and killed by a car and driver in Charlottesville just got what they were asking for. Unintended consequences, wouldn’t you say? I find your rhetoric both saddening and enlightening at the same time.

    Comment by Cas — August 27, 2017 @ 1:07 pm - August 27, 2017

  16. @ #11: The video can be found here —-

    That is a very unconvincing video. The guy is clearly pulling a pistol and firing it. No one seems to run and duck or particularly care. The perp holsters the pistol and he ambles onward.

    How can that be? If he shot a paint ball pistol, professional agitators and police would recognize it was not at .45 calibre death threat. Police are experienced in fire arms and they are forever being pilloried by shooting an “innocent” protester or rioter or perp who waves around a “looks like a real pistol.”

    Since seeing that clip, it is clear why no “firing a pistol” meme has been elevated to hysteria level in the days following August 12. It would be more than passing strange for the media not to go “ballistic” if that video clip were actually of the discharging a killer firearm.

    I am particularly underwhelmed with this:

    If people on both sides come armed, and decide to defend themselves when emotions are running high

    What, pray tell, happened other than people on both sides coming armed ….

    Antifa and Black Lives Matter had clubs, shields, pepper spray, aerosol canisters, etc. This is not to say that the Jason Kessler/Unite the Right were not as armed or out armed the others.

    But armed is not limited to guns and rifles. Fields was armed with a Dodge Charger.

    What leftist whinge masters need to learn is that when you show up to “protest” you are a co-equal part of the problem, not the solution.

    I invite all leftist to disavow the rioting, bicycle lock swinging, masked, rioting, window smashing Antifa. If a bunch of rainbow clerics can bus in spewing platitudes, why can’t Antifa and Black Lives Matters join them and spread the same visions of Utopia?

    Liberals are only good at hectoring; they are lousy at introspectoring.

    Comment by Heliotrope — August 27, 2017 @ 1:18 pm - August 27, 2017

  17. No blame for the violent Progressives?

    No blame for the inept Progressive Governor?

    No blame for the inept Progressive Mayor?

    But lots of blame for Trump?

    It won’t end well for the Progressives at the polls. They will be further pushed out of power.

    The death of the Progressive was a direct result of the actions of the Progressive Governor and Progressive Mayor making a bad situation worse. They both wanted a Martyr for the Progressive Movement. How sad for her family.

    Progressive thinking “Trump’s words after the tragic death are responsible for that tragic death.”

    Riddle me this Batman, if the Progressives had simply ignored the White Supremacists, would the woman have died? Isn’t discretion the better part of Valor? The White Supremacist movement is dead and dying. Reporting on a subject more often does not mean the subject is occurring more often. The Progressive media is using people of color as a tool to further their Progressive Movement. They don’t really care if lives are lost. “Take one for the team!”

    Comment by TnnsNe1 — August 27, 2017 @ 1:29 pm - August 27, 2017

  18. Re: the shot. I never heard of it before, either. Right, the video is embedded in the NYT article. I *suspect* that it was the only shot, and might even have been a blank or something?

    If he shot a paint ball pistol, professional agitators and police would recognize it was not at .45 calibre death threat.

    But, in that situation, even a paintball or blank “starter’s gun” shot was a disorderly, provocative thing to do.

    Anyway, it’s 2017 and Charlottesville yielded a ton of videos about who did what, when. I’m sure we will all be discussing this awhile yet.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — August 27, 2017 @ 1:52 pm - August 27, 2017

  19. The vice mayor or Charlottesville is a piece of work.

    http://www.cavalierdaily.com/article/2016/11/wes-bellamy-charlottesville-twitter

    http://www.pacificpundit.com/2017/08/15/charlottesville-democrat-vice-mayor-wes-bellamy-is-a-racist-and-sexist/

    Comment by KCRob — August 27, 2017 @ 2:54 pm - August 27, 2017

  20. I am not certain if #17 is your reply to me, TnnsNe1, but if it is, I guess you are willfully blind to the implications of what you believe and the implications of the free availability of weaponry.

    No blame for the violent Progressives?

    Oh yes, I blame antifa. They made a bad situation worse, and some counter-demonstrators got hammered for it. Antifa are off on the extreme of the left-wing where I put anyone who tells me that political violence is OK. I don’t think they are Progressives. Its interesting to see you and others conflate them. They are the crazy uncle no one wants to talk about–but there it is–tthe antifa make things harder for our society; they break down the social compact concerning right behavior. They make things more dangerous for all of us. They are not alone. What about your mob, TnnsNe1? The white supremacists are your crazy relatives; I am not calling them Conservatives. They share right wing ideas and take them out to extreme ends. And I watch plenty of folks here twist themselves into pretzel shapes to disavow the relationship. Its embarrassing.

    Riddle me this Batman, if the Progressives had simply ignored the White Supremacists, would the woman have died? Isn’t discretion the better part of Valor?

    Well Riddler, how would you answer when it your turn to counter-demonstrate some idea that you find vile. Would you stay home and enjoy your cup of tea, or would you peacefully demonstrate showing what you believed in support of what you believe? This country was created and built on the premise that Valour was more important then discretion. What the antifa don’t get is that valour can be found in the act of protesting in accord with the laws and customs of this country. And the far right don’t get that either.

    It might be worth thinking through, how, on the one hand, you hold that white supremacists are energized by what Donald Trump says and consider him an ally in their white identity politics, so that they are comfortable coming out–loud and proud. Oh, they are just befuddled, willfully blind and deaf, and silly to think that way! And any way, we don’t know these folks! Really? Are these right wingers really silly to think the way they do, TnnsNe1? I don’t think so.

    Comment by Cas — August 27, 2017 @ 3:26 pm - August 27, 2017

  21. I have watched the video provided many times. I was not there. I would like to see the results of an investigation. I will say this on just viewing the video, that it is very suspicious to me. Now that said I am very much on the right so whatever I say that must be borne in mind.
    First the guy was not only aware he was being filmed, but also seemed to want to make sure that he was. He was never really looking anywhere else except in the direction of his aim, including the racial epithet. It was claimed in the article and later that he was aiming at the ground, if so it was ground quite a ways off. It all looked very staged, but I have absolutely no proof of this just my observation.

    Comment by Sennacherib — August 27, 2017 @ 3:36 pm - August 27, 2017

  22. Sorry, TnnsNe1, that should be that you old that the the white supremacists/white nationalist are dead or dying with what appears to be evidence to contrary…

    Comment by Cas — August 27, 2017 @ 3:37 pm - August 27, 2017

  23. White Supremacists have more in common with Progressives than with Trump.

    So, we can blame Obama for the actions of BLM and Antifa? Obama certainly encouraged them.

    See how that works?

    I would never counter protest a vile group’s demonstration. Let their words expose their vileness. Most Americans know right from wrong (although more and more Progressives don’t).

    I always giggle when a Progressive get all twisted up when they are confronted with their own Progressive logic. Antifa and BLM are now the face of the Progressive Movement. Your Progressive leaders opened that can of vileness. Those leaders will find it has backfired.

    Comment by TnnsNe1 — August 27, 2017 @ 3:43 pm - August 27, 2017

  24. “with what appears to be evidence to contrary”

    Show us the numbers. You would think you would have done a bit of research before making that statement. However, you did include the word “appears” which lines up perfectly with what I stated.

    Comment by TnnsNe1 — August 27, 2017 @ 3:59 pm - August 27, 2017

  25. I’m not assuming that it “went wrong” – it may very well have gone exactly as planned, in order to make the “right people” look very wrong.

    Comment by MzEllen — August 27, 2017 @ 4:28 pm - August 27, 2017

  26. MzEllen wins.

    The violence wasn’t a bug in the Governor’s plan, it was a feature.

    Comment by TnnsNe1 — August 27, 2017 @ 5:03 pm - August 27, 2017

  27. No actual white supremacists showed up there because the local organizer Jason Kessler is jewish. Anyone that showed up was not redpilled on the JQ, but they likely are now.

    It has since come out that Kessler previously worked for CNN, & in 2016 tweeted in favor of Obama, Hillary, Gun Control & Occupy wall street. You had an enemy with time+money sabotaging it, this is called entryism.

    “SJW’s Always Lie” written by an Indian (feather not dot) explains how to avoid Entryism & that it is the main tool of the left. It was on kindle unlimited for free when I read it.

    Comment by Steve — August 27, 2017 @ 8:07 pm - August 27, 2017

  28. OK, TnnsNe1,

    White Supremacists have more in common with Progressives than with Trump.

    Really. Please illuminate me with your argument for your claim. At the moment, it is just an orphan assertion looking for a foster home. Time to engage, TnnsNe1. I look forward to what you have to add.

    Comment by Cas — August 27, 2017 @ 9:59 pm - August 27, 2017

  29. 1. Oh yes, I blame antifa. They made a bad situation worse, and some counter-demonstrators got hammered for it.

    2. Antifa are off on the extreme of the left-wing where I put anyone who tells me that political violence is OK.

    3. I don’t think they are Progressives.

    4. Its interesting to see you and others conflate them.

    5. They are the crazy uncle no one wants to talk about–but there it is–tthe antifa make things harder for our society;

    1. – Good on you.

    2. – Yep, they are. Right there with the Progressives who “hate” “hate speech” but their “hate” is justified and “hate speech” is not justified and only leftists/Progressives know for sure. Got a social justice conflict, call a leftist/Progressive. Antifa comes with them.

    3. – I don’t think they are Progressives. Of course you don’t. They embarrass you. So, you carve out yet another group in your whole world of divide and demonize in the name of diversity and multi-zeitgeitism. Soon enough you look like political parties in Italy.

    4. – So thrilled you are interested. How, exactly does one go about conflating as an activity. Are there conflate centers? Can you hire a conflation coach?

    5. – Clearly you leftist/Progressives will not call out your fellow leftist antifa assholes. And your leftist media pals certainly sweep them under the carpet. They embarrass you. But they are yours and you protect your own.

    “No one wants to talk about” antifa? No one among the leftists. But 1/2 and more of this country is NOT leftist.

    1.) The white supremacists are your crazy relatives; I am not calling them Conservatives.

    2.) They share right wing ideas and take them out to extreme ends. And I watch plenty of folks here twist themselves into pretzel shapes to disavow the relationship. Its embarrassing.

    1. – You have history entirely against you. The white supremacists of slavery were Democrats. Wilson and F.D.R were race bigots. Then, in 1964, Lyndon Johnson, a confirmed race bigot, calculated he would swing to the extreme left. It cost him his job. Leftist radical crazies attacked him for being too timid and rioted across the nation. The Democrat Party ate its own. Nixon and the Republicans won on a law and order platform. The Democrat radicals were way left of law and order, the country was overwhelmingly in league with law and order. Johnson’s “guns and butter” war brought incredible stagflation with ripped through the nation during the 70’s. Carter rode a rogue wave into as close to a dysfunctional presidency as can be imagined. Twelve years of Reagan-Bush restoration American confidence and the economy followed. In 1992, Bill Clinton said the economy was crashing and became an openly socialist panderer with all manner of social justice schemes along with a concerted effort to promote special interest groups and building a ruling coalition by division and manipulation. But, in 1994, the country gave the Republicans the control of the House of Representatives since the early 50’s. The Republican Contract with America stopped Clinton in his tracks and he finished out his presidency in relative shame.

    But the socialist-bent Democrats were successful in painting the Republicans as the enemies of the “little guy.” Sixteen years later, the “little people” elected Trump – hugely.

    The old concepts of liberalism and conservatism in the USA was turned topsy-turvy leading up to the Civil War and then again in the Lyndon Johnson years and again as a reaction to the Obama attempt at a Velvet Revolution.

    If your understanding of the complexity of the changing ground undergirding these labels of “right” & “left and “conservative” & “liberal” is “embarrassing, it is because you do not have the capacity to understand the capriciousness of cultural shift in meanings. You embarrassment is actually ignorance.

    The left has fully adopted Vladimir Lenin and his Bolshevik theology: “The press should be not only a collective propagandist and a collective agitator, but also a collective organizer of the masses . . . We must be ready to employ trickery, deceit, law-breaking, withholding and concealing truth… We can and must write in a language which sows among the masses hate, revulsion, and scorn toward those who disagree with us.”

    As to the idiocy of gathering up all the guns; it is a wet-dream only a Trotsky could imagine. If anyone thought Obama’s Fast and Furious was a Daniel Ortega level nightmare, disarming the citizenry of the United States would only be possible by Brownshirts, Gestapo and SS that even Hitler could not comprehend.

    In spite of Little Terry McAuliffe’s whining about the Jason Kessler/Unite the Right vastly overwhelming the armament power of the State Police, had the white supremacists attempted to use fire power, at worst, they would have been mowed down. They had no tactical, strategic or armament superiority.

    It gives me no pleasure to “defend” the white supremacists from any perspective except one. That one perspective is the dedication to objective truth.

    “Alt-right” and “Alt-left” are manipulative, propagandistic terms which lack definition, specificity, or even meaning. They mean absolutely nothing to informed minds. They are the graffiti of emotion-stoked psychobabblers: the programmed “woke” useful idiot social justice warriors – the people who think they are profound because they monkey-say the latest fad slang.

    The “progressive” in leftism is a powerful state which controls the actions and thoughts of the people and pays them off with socialism. “From each according to whatever, to each according to the formula.”

    Jason Kessler/Unite the Right sees the same powerful state which controls the purity of the people’s genes and controls the thoughts and actions of the people and pays them off with membership rights and payments according to the formula.

    Two peas in a pod. Socialists always end up destroying themselves in a Maduro nihilism theme park puke fest.

    Antifa is a bunch of Brownshirts looking to impose their mindlessness on the populace. The socialist Statists are using them for the useful idiots they are. Then they will send in their stormtroopers to take over. But first the statue toppling and book burning and the culture wars.

    Comment by Heliotrope — August 28, 2017 @ 8:26 am - August 28, 2017

  30. Cas, I think Heliotrope answered your question quite well.

    Thank you Heliotrope.

    Also, look here : http://www.gaypatriot.net/2017/08/15/racism-and-violence-are-left-wing-part-ii/

    Comment by TnnsNe1 — August 28, 2017 @ 9:36 am - August 28, 2017

  31. TnnsNe1: Glad to help.

    We have allowed the Progressives to redefine the language to their sole benefit.

    I addressed the Cas Progressive Syndrome in the post immediately above this one – “The Left shuts down another rally for peace.” I will add it here also.
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    Breitbart is using “right wing” in the throwback to the 1950’s John Birch meaning. John Birch was anti-communist and limited government.

    White supremacy has ZERO to do with communism or limited government. It is neither right not left wing per se. But neither is it any sort of We the People popular sovereignty concoction. It is apartheid first and whatever develops in the way of governance second.

    By 2017 standards, you could say that US-style popular sovereignty is way left and all other forms – statist, dictatorship, monarchy, theocracy, oligarchy – are to the right. Since socialism is statist, it would be rightist.

    In 2017, pointing to the right and left has become so convoluted that is becomes practically useless.

    The “Progressives” see everything evil being “conservative.” For Progressives, “conservatives” want to protect everything from the past, like slavery, Nazis, KKK, shoot-outs, racism, bashing gays, keeping women as toys, drowning kittens and beating orphans.

    Progressives demagogue, demonize, malign, and divide all in the name of progress toward the ideal of wealth redistribution and state responsibility for egalitarianism, full care of all human needs, and peace and harmony. All Communists sell the dream to the dissatisfied, disgruntled, discontented, malcontent, frustrated, antagonistic and seditious.

    Progressives exploit the tragedy of the breakdown of the family, they stoke mob psychology, they instill fear of being politically incorrect, they cultivate ignorance and teach ideology, they inflame resentments, hatreds and beat people with guilt sticks. They are the most bile fueled, unhappy people you can meet.

    Progressives cultivate anger and resentment. They manipulate the “news” and “education” and the language to create thought patterns, malign, and unleash boogeymen who hide behind the trees, in your closet and walk in your shadow.

    Progressives unleashed “white privilege” on us. In everywhere we go and everything we do a squawking voice says: “white privilege,” “white privilege,” “white privilege.”

    In The Rape of the Mind, author Joost Meerloo wrote of mob psychology as “the oldest psycho-drama in the world.” It has been front and center throughout world history. The French Revolution is a classic example. Meerloo described the mob psycho-drama as “esthetic participation in mass elation.” Imagine a people who draw their “joy” from destruction.

    All one need do to understand how our “right-left” terminology is flip-flopping around is to look at how the committees during the French Revolution turned themselves inside out and ate their own.

    Progressives have no agenda to put to a vote. That is not their game. They spread like cancer until the host is destroyed and then they eat one another. Finally, a Hitler or Lenin or Mao arises and the opposition is turned into compost.

    Comment by Heliotrope — August 28, 2017 @ 10:58 am - August 28, 2017

  32. “Progressives have no agenda to put to a vote.”

    And they have no goal post. It is always more and more.

    Comment by TnnsNe1 — August 28, 2017 @ 11:03 am - August 28, 2017

  33. I don’t know if anyone else has seen this Youtube video,but IMO it’s a very good analysis of a live stream video done the day of the Charlottesville car attack:

    “Analyzing Charlottesville’s Zapruder Film: the Ford Fischer LiveStream
    Published on Aug 24, 2017

    Ford Fischer began LiveStreaming video 7 minutes 40 seconds before the charlottesville car attack. His video is an absolute bombshell for the following reasons:

    1. He films the murder vehicle (a Dodge Challenger) on Water Street 7 minutes before the attack.

    2. He films the maroon van involved in the incident 5 minutes before the attack. It is already at the intersection of 4th and Water. Ford’s video shows that it does not move in the intervening 5 minutes, despite being able to. Nobody appears to be in the front seat.

    3. Ford abandons the protest and the neo-Nazis he claims to be following and waits on 5th and Main St for 3 minutes before reacting to the attack. Why is he waiting? He seems to know that something will occur nearby.

    We need to look at Ford Fischer and his video very closely. Some questions to consider:

    Did Ford Fischer know about the attack before it happened?

    Was Ford Fischer using his livestream to signal vehicle locations to people watching it?”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePsK0dpyu4g

    Comment by The Poetry Man — August 28, 2017 @ 1:33 pm - August 28, 2017

  34. Dear TnnsNe1,
    That is some set of cajones you got there! Call out people to engage you and then walk away from it when one of the people you asked, kindly took you up on your offer. Very impolite. And more, relying on someone else to do what you cannot do for yourself. No worries, but please understand that relying on others to do what you cannot do is not an example of self-reliance. You might remember self-reliance–you know, an important conservative value…

    Please don’t waste my time in future.

    Comment by Cas — August 28, 2017 @ 4:53 pm - August 28, 2017

  35. The Poetry Man @ #33

    The YouTube film is very interesting. With all due respect, I am perpetually shy about conspiracy theories. That does not mean that some important, salient points are to be dismissed.

    Two cars were smashed by Field’s Dodge Charger. The official investigation will resolve ownership and why they were there.

    The identification of the Field’s Dodge Charger and the maroon van so many minutes before the crash is an important piece of the puzzle. The route of the protesters laid out in the film is extremely curious an important part of the puzzle. The act of the videographer abandoning the white supremacists and seemingly hanging around until the crash puts him in the spotlight for “debriefing.”

    The charge in the video is that this Charlottesville tragedy was set into play by black hats operating from within the cover of a “three letter government agency.” That is really, really heavy stuff.

    The Charlottesville tragedy was a true flustercluck. Political forces are integral to the failure, so politicians will robustly point “over there” what they pass the buck. The truth is that social media and the internet age has permitted thousands of solid, unpaid minds to join in doing the math and something as wide open as the Charlottesville tragedy will be hard to hide under government secrecy.

    I have little (think “none”) doubt that Soros type malevolent actors fund all sorts of acts of malevolence which they are able to keep outside of the reach of the law.

    The greatest obstacle is the cover-up the mainstream media will use to protect their ideological playmates. The leftists are dedicated to carrying out Lenin’s prescription – ready to employ trickery, deceit, law-breaking, withholding and concealing truth… We can and must write in a language which sows among the masses hate, revulsion, and scorn toward those who disagree with us.” That is not a conspiracy, it the operational culture of the left.

    Comment by Heliotrope — August 28, 2017 @ 5:07 pm - August 28, 2017

  36. Haha. Cas scolding people for not engaging.

    Where is your proof of the increase in White Supremacists?

    Hypocrisy, a Progressive characteristic, along with violent tendencies.

    Comment by TnnsNe1 — August 28, 2017 @ 5:34 pm - August 28, 2017

  37. @ #18 ILC: re gun

    The Daily Progress confirms a gun was fired and the perp has been arrested.

    Comment by Heliotrope — August 28, 2017 @ 5:46 pm - August 28, 2017

  38. Always a pleasure to read your work, Cas.

    Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — August 29, 2017 @ 5:32 am - August 29, 2017

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