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Be Careful Out There

Posted by V the K at 7:36 am - October 10, 2017.
Filed under: Gay Politics,Gay Victimization

A guy in Britain is on trial for deliberately infecting four men with HIV. He apparently used Grindr to hook up with them, and then after pressuring them into unprotected sex, sent text messages taunting them, “I have HIV LOL. Oops!

Rowe has been charged with purposely infecting four men with HIV and trying to pass the virus to six more from October 2015 to December 2016 in Brighton, England, where he subsequently lived, according to The Guardian. He was first arrested by Sussex police in February 2016 after allegedly infecting two men with HIV.

During a court appearance Thursday, prosecutors said that Rowe met partners on Grindr, a gay dating app, and then would ask them to have unprotected sex with him, telling them he did not have HIV, according to the International Business Times. If his partners insisted on using condoms, Rowe allegedly ripped or tampered with them so they wouldn’t be effective.

When you dig into what the British press is reporting, it sounds like this guy is a real sociopath (albeit with really good, Justin Trudeau style hair) who refused treatment for HIV and bullied men into having sex with him.

What’s really nucking futs about this is that if this creep lived in California, he would face less jail time for deliberately infecting people with HIV (six months) than he would for offending a transgendered person for using the “wrong” pronoun (one year).

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  1. Too often gay men’s outlet for sex in either Grindr, Growlr, and Craiglist.

    Comment by pawfurbehr — October 10, 2017 @ 7:58 am - October 10, 2017

  2. #1. How does that differ for straight sex partners?

    Comment by TnnsNe1 — October 10, 2017 @ 8:13 am - October 10, 2017

  3. My advice, guys? Don’t do anal in your hook-ups, condoms or otherwise. Hell, don’t do oral. You get an itch you need to scratch, find a guy who’s cool with just giving you a hand and vice versa. And just like that, your risk of catching pretty much everything goes down to about zero. Still feels good and no post- hook-up panic attack about whether you caught anything.

    Comment by Sean L — October 10, 2017 @ 8:21 am - October 10, 2017

  4. .You get an itch you need to scratch, find a guy who’s cool with just giving you a hand and vice versa.Oh Dear Lords of Kobol, we’re back in 1960s high school, “…I don’t kiss.”

    “History repeats … first as tragedy, then as farce.”

    Comment by Ted B. (Charging Rhino) — October 10, 2017 @ 9:03 am - October 10, 2017

  5. @ Ted B.: Well obviously, the ideal is somebody who is willing to cross swords and swap spit. 😉

    Comment by Sean L — October 10, 2017 @ 11:02 am - October 10, 2017

  6. Seems to me like it’s a good time to educate ourselves policies regarding HIV transmission & disclosure – for example I didn’t know that while not disclosing you are HIV+ in CA is now a misdemeanor, in UT it’s only an aggravating factor for certain crimes (e.g., prostitution). Good rundown of laws by a group trying to get them off the books here: http://www.hivlawandpolicy.org/state-hiv-laws. Regardless of laws, you’re absolutely right on the “be careful”, V. Especially with all the anti-protection nut jobs out there like the one at CU-Boulder from a few years back.

    Now it’s time for a good long think on where these policies should go – I put STI non-disclosure in general as a potentially special category given both the level of intimacy typically required for transmission and everything that surrounds that. In the eternal words of Hedley Lamarr, “My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.”

    Comment by Crispy — October 10, 2017 @ 11:17 am - October 10, 2017

  7. As horrible as the disease and the STDs were and still are, I think just as bad was the erosion of trust that’s grown over the years. I remember in those years when the horrible truth about AIDS and HIV were learned and the Safe Sex campaigns started, there was a lingering and corrosive mistrust that grew about POZ and NEG, …and was your prospective partner being truthful. Who could you believe? Was that split-second hesitation an evasion? Doubts?

    Did he lose weight at the gym? …A new diet? Was he ill? …Did he have it?

    And the behind the back whispers and catty comments made by “friends”; yours and his…

    And the guilt.

    And the funerals.

    …Worse, the funerals you didn’t attend.

    Comment by Ted B. (Charging Rhino) — October 10, 2017 @ 11:24 am - October 10, 2017

  8. Someone in California should demand we register assault gays and their high capacity balls.

    Comment by J- — October 10, 2017 @ 11:34 am - October 10, 2017

  9. This guy’s HIV status should be tattooed on his forehead. And I don’t have a whole lot of sympathy for guys who are picking up others on Grindr and engaging in unprotected sex, save those who insist on using a condom only to have this psycho rip the condom so it’s ineffective. There are a lot of men who aren’t trying to contract HIV while not trying to avoid it, either.

    Comment by Ignatius — October 10, 2017 @ 12:07 pm - October 10, 2017

  10. What exactly is PREP? How effective is It? Are there side effects?

    Comment by James — October 10, 2017 @ 12:26 pm - October 10, 2017

  11. 10.What exactly is PREP? How effective is It? Are there side effects?

    https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/basics/prep.html

    Comment by V the K — October 10, 2017 @ 12:59 pm - October 10, 2017

  12. What exactly is PREP? How effective is It? Are there side effects?

    It’s a drug that is taken that works to fight off any HIV that enters one body. It can be used before and after sex (it’s called Pep when used after), as well as by those who have HIV (as part of a cocktail). For those who take to avoid getting HIV, it’s pretty effective, but not foolproof. However, it’s a big ask on the liver. The data isn’t really in on how much.

    Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — October 10, 2017 @ 1:09 pm - October 10, 2017

  13. “What exactly is PREP”

    I survived when AIDS was a death sentence, and I will likely end up seeing gays with liver/kidney failure thanks to prep. Prep doesn’t protect against anything but reg HIV, and Drug Resistant AIDS came into the US last year via African refuges thanks to Obama removing the AIDS travel ban.

    When Obama removed the AIDS travel ban I went to my representatives and asked them to bring it back as it would bring drug resistant AIDS to the US faster.

    Comment by Steve — October 10, 2017 @ 2:12 pm - October 10, 2017

  14. Drug Resistant AIDS came into the US last year via African refuges thanks to Obama removing the AIDS travel ban.

    Also, thanks to Obama, we now have cases of Cuban Super HIV in the USA; not responsive to current treatment with a much more rapid progression to full-blown AIDS

    Comment by V the K — October 10, 2017 @ 3:10 pm - October 10, 2017

  15. the democrats in California will put you in jail for a year if you misuse a pronoun. aren’t these the same people that complain about mass incarceration?

    Comment by salg — October 10, 2017 @ 4:53 pm - October 10, 2017

  16. Cannot wait to see Californians realize what they have signed up for the first time a man with HIV intentionally donates blood to infect others and walks away with a slap on the wrist. Imagine the horror among Gay Left when Cuban and African HIV strains start tearing through the gay clubs and bath houses.

    You would think that after the horrors of the first AIDS crisis, the surviving elders of the gay community would’ve realized that the time for fun and games were over, and idealized monogamy and slut-shaming would’ve been the norm. Now the gay community has a fun little pill they can swallow that makes it impossible to get HIV (news flash: it’s only about 80% effective), and they’ve gone right the hell back to the debauchery of the late 70s. The scene is all set for the second AIDS crisis. Hopefully, after the 10th, 50th, 100th time they’ve had to listen to I Will Always Love You and <I Will Survive of a friend who died from AIDS, people get the message for good: one man, that’s it.

    Comment by Sean L — October 10, 2017 @ 4:58 pm - October 10, 2017

  17. For those who are gettingmand transmitting AIDS, you sure are putting a lot of trust that Western Civilization will continue.

    Comment by Juan — October 10, 2017 @ 5:08 pm - October 10, 2017

  18. I think most of the people that comment here regularly know I am not gay, so I have a question for the gay commenters. when the democrat party tries to decriminalize the deliberate transmission of aids they do so to curry political favor with gays. do gay people really believe that decriminalizing deliberate aids transmission is something that is good for gay people?

    Comment by salg — October 10, 2017 @ 6:01 pm - October 10, 2017

  19. salg, the Faustian Bargain the left makes with its supporters is as follows: Give us your total, unquestioning political support and we will give you unlimited sexual license.

    And this is why the left adopts sexual symbolism throughout its protest culture. The poossy hats. The Code Pink dancing vaginas. The lefty shits who protested campus carry by carrying around large dildos. The intellectual level of the typical leftist is adolescent, so promising them sex wins them over, and they think public displays of dildos and vaginas is shocking and transgressive…. like the thrill a little kid gets when he says a naughty word for the first time.

    Comment by V the K — October 10, 2017 @ 6:44 pm - October 10, 2017

  20. What a broad brush you paint with.

    Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — October 10, 2017 @ 7:51 pm - October 10, 2017

  21. @20: Broad, but not inaccurate.

    Comment by Bastiat_Fan — October 10, 2017 @ 8:29 pm - October 10, 2017

  22. Rowe sounds like a vile man. I don’t get the Justin Trudeau comparison. And, no, I don’t think California should have relaxed its HIV laws. That’s unfortunate.

    By the way, I know a conservative (even before he voted for Trump) who has unprotected sex. I in no way believe he represents the sexual habits of conservative gays.

    Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — October 11, 2017 @ 12:43 am - October 11, 2017

  23. *That was originally part of Comment #20, sorry

    Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — October 11, 2017 @ 12:44 am - October 11, 2017

  24. I am not hooked into the gay/homosexual subculture at all, and reading through some of these links is mildly horrifying.

    Is the…nihilism, I suppose, of ‘gifters’ a common thing in that community?

    Comment by Aerinyes — October 11, 2017 @ 5:01 am - October 11, 2017

  25. Is the…nihilism, I suppose, of ‘gifters’ a common thing in that community?

    If you read the testimonials, there appear to be mental health issues with men who actively seek HIV infection. They crave it as a form of humiliation, submission, and degradation. It’s often tied in with those types of scenes.

    But another… and deeply saddening … aspect of these men is that they want to join the “PPZ Brotherhood” because they think it will give them a sense of belonging to a collective. It gives the impression that these are sad little people who feel a need to be a part of some group, a need to fit in somewhere, and they have chosen the worst possible way to go about it.

    Comment by V the K — October 11, 2017 @ 9:06 am - October 11, 2017

  26. ” mental health issues with men who actively seek HIV infection.”

    In the UK it is a bona fide way to live comfortably on the dole.

    Comment by TnnsNe1 — October 11, 2017 @ 10:45 am - October 11, 2017

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