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On the Left, the Perps Are Always the Victims

Posted by V the K at 3:24 pm - November 1, 2017.
Filed under: Gay Culture

Oh, no, you’re not really going to go there, are you? Are you… are you really going to…? You’re going to go there? Seriously? You’ve made up your mind and you’re going there? There is the place that you are going with this take?

OK, then. But remember, you chose to go there.

It’s because, according to the author, trying to rape a 14 year old boy is not the same as paedophilia; for which the victim must be “under 13.” And because criticizing adult gay men for trying to rape 14 year olds makes the Gay Community look bad.

Gay pundits’ overblown protests of disgust at Spacey support the very structure of pedophile sex panic—the hyperventilating reduction of queerness to child abuse—that they are trying to fend off. To be clear, under no clinical diagnostic I know of does a drunken, aggressive, and deeply stupid pass at a teenager qualify as pedophilia. Indeed, one working definition of pedophilia is “ongoing sexual attraction to pre-pubertal children … who are generally age 13 years or younger.”

The author of the Slate piece is “Joseph Fischel (an) Associate Professor of Women’s, Gender, and Sexuality Studies at Yale University and author of Sex and Harm in the Age of Consent (University of Minnesota Press, 2016).”

Here’s the description of “Sex and Harm in the Age of Consent.”

Sex and Harm in the Age of Consent cautions against the adoption of consent as our primary determinant of sexual freedom. Examining the representation of consent in U.S. law and media culture, Joseph J. Fischel contends that the figures of the sex offender and the child are consent’s alibi, enabling fictions that allow consent to do the work cut out for it under late modern sexual politics.

Engaging legal, queer, feminist, and political theory, case law and statutory law, and media representations, Fischel proposes that we change our adjudicative terms from innocence, consent, and predation to vulnerability, sexual autonomy, and “peremption,” which he defines as the uncontrolled disqualification of possibility. Such a shift in theory, law, and life would be less damaging for young people, more responsive to sexual violence, and better for sex.



  1. Another example of the Progressive Gays wanting to be special instead of equal.

    I don’t care what gender you are, an adult sexually assaulting a 14 yo is just plain wrong.

    “To be clear, under no clinical diagnostic I know of does a drunken, aggressive, and deeply stupid pass at a teenager qualify as pedophilia. ”

    This is truly disturbing.

    Comment by TnnsNe1 — November 1, 2017 @ 3:47 pm - November 1, 2017

  2. Related :
    “Six Accuse Brett Ratner of Harassment or Assault ”

    “NPR’s Michael Oreskes Is Fifth Member of Elite Media Accused of Sexual Misconduct”

    “On top of NBC’s Mark Halperin, Rolling Stone’s Matt Taibbi, and The New Republic’s Hamilton Fish and Leon Wieseltier..”

    But, but nobody knew!

    But, but Bill O’Reilly and but, but DT made a joke about grabbing pVssy! All exactly the same!

    Are there Progressive Pigs everywhere?

    Comment by TnnsNe1 — November 1, 2017 @ 3:54 pm - November 1, 2017

  3. Yeah, TnnsNE1, but what you must understand is, Right-Wing Republicans do it all the time, too. There are just… so many examples of conservative Republicans sexually abusing women just as badly as Bill Clinton or Harvey Weinstain. Just, just… so many examples. Like, you know, how Trump talked that one time about grabbing women by the crotch? Exactly and totally equal to what Bill Clinton did to Juanita Broaddrick and Harvey Weinstain did to Rose McGowan.

    And all those conservative Republicans were covered up by their party and the media. No Republican has ever been hounded from office on account of a sex scandal. Ever! There are just so many examples. Like Bill O’Reilly and … um… um… that time Donald Trump talked about grabbing women by the crotch.

    Comment by V the K — November 1, 2017 @ 4:23 pm - November 1, 2017

  4. What on earth is “queer theory,” anyway? Sounds like an entirely made up thing.

    Comment by Conservative guy — November 1, 2017 @ 5:59 pm - November 1, 2017

  5. Accepting Spacey as “gay,” and allowing him to play the “homophobia” card, is what hurts the gay community.

    Gay rights activists should unequivocally condemn and disavow Spacey, and they should stress that sexual freedom of choice applies to competent, consenting adults.

    Comment by Tom — November 1, 2017 @ 6:29 pm - November 1, 2017

  6. To tell the truth, I don’t know what the hubbub is all about.

    For the last 50+ years, the left (in control of the culture) has peddled unrestrained sexual license, the destruction of tradition, and pushing of boundaries – so what’s the surprise?

    I suppose the surprise is that some people might be noticing that all those societal fences (manners) were there for a reason.

    Florence King once remarked on how the left comes to lament that which it destroyed.

    Comment by KCRob — November 1, 2017 @ 6:38 pm - November 1, 2017

  7. So, IIUC, Liberal Logic 101:

    If I seduce a 14 year-old boy, it’s OK, because he is starting puberty.

    If I have consensual sex with a 21 year-old woman, and she changes her mind two weeks later, I am a rapist.

    If I have consensual sex with a 17 year-old girl, is it still statutory rape? Or has that goal post been moved, too?

    Comment by Tom — November 1, 2017 @ 8:19 pm - November 1, 2017

  8. Now we can add Dustin Hoffman to the Progressive Pig list.

    Cas, do you want to tell us again that nobody knew?

    Comment by TnnsNe1 — November 1, 2017 @ 9:47 pm - November 1, 2017

  9. There have always been consequences for The Libertine, historically. Especially when they’re not discreet. For those who worship these people and who follow their lead there is always defeat at the end of the road. I agree with v the k.

    Comment by Hanover — November 2, 2017 @ 12:07 am - November 2, 2017

  10. This guy sounds like a typical liberal professor at any college in this day and age. It is terribly depressing.

    As for Hollywood, I think there should be a list for actors and actresses who ARE NOT sexual predators. Apparently that list would be very short.

    Comment by Charlotte — November 2, 2017 @ 9:14 am - November 2, 2017

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