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December 2, 2017 by V the K
December 2, 2017 at 10:48 am - December 2, 2017
Sean L says
December 2, 2017 at 11:10 am - December 2, 2017
The context is that the minister thinks that, should George come out down the road and become king, the CoE would have to adjust and change their teachings on same-sex marriage.
So basically, Anglicans doing what they do best and changing doctrine to let the king bang with the approval of the English clergy.
December 2, 2017 at 12:05 pm - December 2, 2017
• The headline on this article was amended on 1 December 2017 because an earlier version referred to the Very Rev Kelvin Holdsworth as a C of E minister. He is a minister with the Scottish Episcopal church. This has been corrected.
December 2, 2017 at 12:06 pm - December 2, 2017
Christians should pray for Prince George to be gay to force support for same-sex marriage in the Church of England, a senior Scottish Episcopal church minister and LGBTQ campaigner has said.
The Very Rev Kelvin Holdsworth, provost of St Mary’s Cathedral in Glasgow, made the comments in a blog he reposted about LGBTQ inclusion in the Church of England following the announcement of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle’s engagement.
December 2, 2017 at 12:54 pm - December 2, 2017
Isn’t bi-curious the default for English monarchs?
Except in the Middle Ages, of course, when it was purely a Continental disease.
The Church of England was created as a convenience to the King, who fired Rome, because Rome would not accede to his wishes.
Truth be told, the Popes and the Kings of Europe at the time were all power brokers and scoundrels, so it is hard to view any act of the time as other than political gamesmanship.
But the steady decline of the Anglican Church and its cousin, the Episcopal Church is palpable.
The Anglican Church in Alexandria, Virginia which George Washington and Robert E. Lee attended has just decided to haul the references to Washington and Lee out of the place. They are scrubbing the place clean of association with s-l-a-v-e-r-y. Although slaves made the bricks and built the walls and did the carpentry.
And, so it goes. Eventually, I expect to see the Episcopal Church team up with McDonald’s and have a drive through window with egg McMuffin, hash browns, coffee, absolution and an oil change.
The Archflippant of Canterbury recently puzzled over how any person calling himself a Christian could possibly have voted for Trump.
Now there’s a poser. Why doesn’t the Archflippant just proclaim God’s will and skip the puzzlement part?
Relevancy is not always the best task master. Sometimes it is necessary to stand up for something and take the backlash.
We are 500+ years into the Protestant “reformation” and churches are dropping like flies. The Roman Catholics have lost much of South America to the Evangelicals. And the Protestant mega-churches in the US are predominantly Evangelical.
It would seem that spiritual hunger is being fed on the fundamental and deep principles of basic religion and the modified, modern church is dying along with its geriatric congregants.
Moral “fluidity” is no different from nailing Jello to the wall. Escape hatch religion is just another form of creative accounting.
In another thread, V the K links to a teacher’s aide in Waldorf, Maryland who has molested a boatload of middle school kids. How does a principled public institution become so corrupted that such a person gets hired? If ever there was a poster boy for “hope’nchange” this teacher’s aide is it.
Trayvon Martin, the Gentle Giant Michael Brown, Eric Garner, Ezell Ford, Akai Gurley, Tamir Rice, Dontre Hamilton, Charley Leundeu Keunang, Tony Robinson, Anthony Hill, Meagan Hockaday, Eric Harris, Walter Scott, Freddie Gray, William Chapman, The Charleston Nine, Jonathan Sanders, Sandra Bland, Samuel DuBose, Jeremy McDole, Corey Jones, Jamar Clark – are “celebrated” by Black Lives Matter as victims of “systematic racism towards black people by the cops and government and society and the justice system.
Moral “fluidity” and situation ethics and the diversity dividend of being a victim have so shattered our culture that we are redividing ourselves into tribes ruled by our perceived differences.
The church has chosen to be all things to all people and stand for nothing more solid than a plate of platitudes. Buffet theology allows you to pick and choose what appeals to you and to avoid the heavy lifting. Before long, the church will be back to selling indulgences.
But who needs a church when “The world has gone mad today – And good’s bad today, And black’s white today, And day’s night today, – Anything goes. – Just think of those shocks you’ve got – And those knocks you’ve got – And those blues you’ve got – From that news you’ve got – And those pains you’ve got – If any brains you’ve got – From those little radios. – ‘Cause God only knows – Anything goes.” (apologies to Cole Porter.)
December 2, 2017 at 3:37 pm - December 2, 2017
@6: I think one reason churches are dropping like flies is because they’re little more than social-justice advocacies.
Why bother getting up early on Sunday to go to church when you can get all the leftist, anti-western, anti-white, open-borders, ahistorical, SJWBS you can stand just be turning on ESPN or CNN for a few minutes in the comfort of your own home?
And they don’t pass the plate.
December 2, 2017 at 4:38 pm - December 2, 2017
@ Heliotrope: The Evangelicals and fundamentalists may be enthusiastic, but in my experience, they are the ones who have the biggest crises of faith if they get into the sciences. Gets harder and harder to profess seven literal days and direct divine creation and deny natural selection and such. I see it on a regular basis. They either leave the sciences, become so theologically adrift that they turn atheist, or convert to a denomination that doesn’t get quite so literal with the Bible.
December 3, 2017 at 8:49 pm - December 3, 2017
Evangelicals and fundamentalists have been over stacked by the chattering classes. Everything to the right of Episcopalian is Evangelical and Fundamentalist. I am referring to what the liberals brand as Evangelical and Fundamentalist.
The hard core “no evolution” and “seven actual days” crowd is, in my experience pretty small and does not have a wide voice.
December 4, 2017 at 6:11 pm - December 4, 2017
For cryin’ out loud!… It’s just a little kid!