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Weak Tea Tax Bill Causes Insane Leftist Meltdowns

Posted by V the K at 3:32 pm - December 2, 2017.
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The tax “reform” bill the US Senate passed last night is pretty lame, actually. It keeps the current ridiculous progressive structure of seven separate tax rates. (The House reduced it to four, and the correct number ought to be one.) Susan Collins was bought off by retaining the mortgage interest deduction on vacation homes for millionaires. Freeloaders at the lower income brackets still pay nada. Some high income progressives from blue states are whining because some of their state and local taxes are no longer deductible. Sucks that you progressives in high tax blue states forgot to elect any Republican senators. 

There has also been a lot of howling from the “suddenly we’re concerned about the debt” progressive left that the bill will add $1.5 Trillion to the National Debt over ten years. That figure represents less than 3% of Government expenditures in that time period. Cut Government spending 3% (I’m sure we can get by on 97% of the Government). Problem solved.

It’s a lame bill. Really, the best part of the Senate Bill passing has been watching the histrionic meltdown on the Progressive Left. (But even that gets a little boring considering the progressive left has a histrionic meltdown at literally everything Donald Trump does.)

America died tonight. Economic suicide adopted to feed the insatiable greed of donors, who have been refusing to dole out $ to GOP until they got their tax cuts. Voters fooled by propaganda and tribal hatred. Millenials: move away if you can. USA is over. We killed it. – Kurt “Tentacle Pron” Eichenwald

The Republican Party is the enemy of the American people. The Senate just passed the Trump Tax Increase, 1:50am, enriching the 1% & concentrating wealth in the hands of the few. Capitalism & Fascism. The coup is underway. Make no mistake about it. EVERYONE OFF THE BENCH! 11/6/18! – Michael “I was relevant for a while in 2003” Moore

“While you slept last night Trump’s pedophile-coding GOP broke into your house and raped your children and their future in favor of the Republican’s biggest donors. They groped you too taking your Medicare, social security and Medicaid with them.” – Frank “No I’m Not a Drama Queen at All” Schaeffer

Is there any going back after this #TaxBillScam? To America? Does it matter now if Trump is impeached? There’s no America now. Not the one we knew. Sorry, feeling real despair this morning. – Patton “Who?” Oswalt

Oh, Patti, don’t feel so bad. There are lots of other countries you can move to. Have you considered Mexico? No Republicans there. Strict gun control, too. The Government is very progressive, taxes are very progressive, and economic activated is highly regulated. It’s a lot like California, come to think of it. But with fewer Mexicans.

Really, the second best part of the tax bill is the cut in the corporate rate from “highest in the industrialized world” to “middle of the pack.” (The senate bill delays this cut for a year because senators are dumb.) This will spur real economic growth. And I have to ask, if it’s so great for Democrat run principalities to offer enormous tax breaks to targeted by businesses like Amazon and Boeing, then wouldn’t general tax breaks to all businesses be a great thing as well?

Also, if individual states want to give it a go at Democratic Socialism, why not? California, New York, Massachusetts, Washington and Illinois all have larger populations and GDP’s than Denmark. Nothing is preventing them from implementing Danish-style socialized health care, free college, and cradle-to-grave welfare systems. Democratic leftists insist that Democratic Socialism is the best system, and they are the bestest and smartestest people ever. So, they ought to be able to make it work in the states they control and show the rest of us how it’s done, Right?

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  1. Honestly, I do not believe anyone knows any more about what is in this Senate scheme for tax “cuts” than they knew 50 days after the Obamacare Omnibus Screw-You bill was passed and open for inspection.

    The tax code is so convoluted, specific to special interests and Crony-Capitalism friendly that whatever the geniuses in the Senate have come up with, it will only move the meter incrementally.

    You can’t cut taxes on the middle class, because the middle class drives the whole show.

    When I started paying Social Security many decades ago, the promise was that I would get “tax free” money out when I retired. Well, Bill Clinton slapped a tax on Social Security and I have paid taxes on every penny I have collected. That is not a big deal to me, but it was not part of the “promise.” But then, I never had a choice about paying into the Ponzi scheme anyway.

    What I am trying to say is that no matter what this tax “reform” promises, it was created by liars who can figure and they will continue to jack around with it until it is warped back into a grotesque reflection of what it was supposed to look like.

    Everyone in favor of a “flat tax” is being lulled and confused by the concept of it being the “only” tax. If we had a flat tax, within moments of its taking effect, there would be a national sales tax or VAT or surcharge on urinating or something to up the government take.

    All this cynicism is derived from being lied to in the classic fashion of Charlie Brown with Lucy holding the football. If my taxes go down by $120, I will be amazed. $10 a month more spending money will save me from having to feed one of my cats to the wolf at the door.

    Meanwhile, not one Democrat voted for the bill. I shudder to think what raping we would have had to take to get even a “moderate” Democrat to sign on.

    The UniParty will now split for 2018. The Repugnants will be the heroes of the economy, the budget and the little guy. The DemonizingRats will scream and howl about the middle class being pillaged, raped and burned while the rich ride off with all the money. And, We the People, will pay up and shut up as usual.

    Hopefully, Trump and his Swamp drainers will continue to put the screws on the UniParty in ways that make them accountable for their legislative pocket stuffing games.

    In the thread, Tis the Season to Be a Virtual Signaling D-Canoe, Cas remarks @ #7.:

    Culture wars are a safe topic in conservative waters right now.

    Cas is beginning to feel the heat of Trump, the back-pedaling in the “moral fluidity” world and the breath of pissed off people who are shoving the liberal supercilious dogma and condescension back at them.

    Get it? Cas thought the “Culture Wars had been hosed down to mere embers by the superior tap-dancing of the elite zeitgeist barons on the left. The NYT, WaPo, LA Times, NBC, CBS, ABC, PBS, NPR, MSNBC, CNN choke hold on what is reported is being whacked. The NFL is seeing ticket sales collapse due to confusing football with virtue signaling. ESPN is feeling the same heat. As sponsors assess crowds and viewer numbers, rates for advertising has fallen dramatically for the NFL.

    Don’t you just hate it when tradition and principles overcome fads and trends?

    What have the Progressives got to sell to turn the tide in their favor? As usual, they are searching for the messenger and staying vague in the message department. Everything Progressive is defined by who they hate, what they disdain and all sorts of “deplorable” this and that, including a wide swath of people who live in fly-over country.

    But being a troll on websites is much harder these days for Progressives. They would like to be able split hairs over nuances, but the times are changing in big ways and their hair splitting games are stale and transparent.

    Sucks to be a dreamer when volcanoes are erupting tectonic plates are grinding. But they are still primed and ready for when Trump inevitably self destructs. He keeps playing with his Tweeter and one day, it is bound to go off. Or something. We’ll see.

    Comment by Heliotrope — December 2, 2017 @ 5:42 pm - December 2, 2017

  2. Hi V the K et al,
    Can you or anyone else explain to me the rationale for these tax cuts, why they are targeted the way they are and why they went about it the way they did? Hmm. Good luck with that. And how they break with previous Republican concerns concerning the deficit? That Republicans openly admit that this will ballon debt, and after being oh, oh so concerned about it for umpteen years, care not a whit about it now. It is clever of you to make Democrats main concern about deficits. It is not–it is about increasing income and wealth inequality–something that should concern you and others here as well.

    It might surprise you to learn that I am neither for or against deficits. It is about why you get them. If your economy is crashing or you have the opportunity to invest in infrastructure that will pay back many times what you have spent (think the US Interstate Highway system) in increased productivity, than increased Government spending makes sense. We are doing neither here. The economy is clearly at a point of “full employment” as economists would say, and there is ample evidence that labour markets are tightening. So, why exactly do we need a large increase in Aggregate Demand? If the aim is to get inflation, I think mission accomplished. But then why do these cuts? What purpose do they serve apart from redistributing more wealth and income towards the top, in part at the expense of some of those lower down the ladder?

    And as for spurring economic growth. How much do you think there will be, V the K (and any other supporter of this tax plan)?

    An hammer in search of a nail.

    The one thing I agree with you about–the commentators are having an attack of the vapours and need to get a grip. Enjoy the feeling of “victory” if that is what you are feeling right now. What was done here, will be returned in kind once Democrats return to power–and they will; the gerrymanders are not that strong yet. When they do, I don’t think they will go the year long process they did with the ACA. I think the Democrats will have learned from the processes used here and will use them as well.

    Comment by Cas — December 2, 2017 @ 6:27 pm - December 2, 2017

  3. Oh, in other news, it was reported that the “very senior person” that Flynn reported to about the conversations he was having with the Russian ambassador was Jared Kushner. Well how about that! And what is better, they is saying that Obama Admin apparently OK’d this–really? I want to see that evidence! Gotta go and get the popcorn.

    Comment by Cas — December 2, 2017 @ 6:43 pm - December 2, 2017

  4. I to am disappointed in this tax package. I like the business tax rate reductions. But on the personal tax side , meh. Increased personal deduction , that’s good. Lowered rates, for most people, also good. Getting rid of the state and local tax deduction, not so much.

    This is where I wish Trump had a better idealogic core
    He could have pushed for the Fair Tax, or borrowed Herman Cain’s 999. But the good news is , we can change out a few Congress critters and come back for more.

    As far as the spending side. I agree we have government gone wild.(not nearly as much fun to watch as girls gone wild) But getting that under control involves a honest discussion about the role of government. What we have now is primarily name calling and slandering. All while the uniparty gets its way

    Comment by Matthew the Oilman — December 2, 2017 @ 7:33 pm - December 2, 2017

  5. Hi V the K et al.,

    Will this tax bill add $1.4T to the deficit? If so, where are the critiques? I know GP savaged the Obama administration for contributing to this.

    Cheers,
    CCP

    Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — December 2, 2017 @ 8:15 pm - December 2, 2017

  6. Cas,

    The tax bill passed the Senate. Period.

    When it clears the legislative process and is signed by Trump, I am sure you can find people to play your brain games with you.

    Mueller got Flynn on a technicality – a process crime – which was lying to the FBI. That is ancient news, Cas. Trump fired Flynn for lying to V-P Pence and the FBI. Trump’s tweet:

    I had to fire General Flynn because he lied to the Vice President and the FBI. He has pled guilty to those lies. It is a shame because his actions during the transition were lawful. There is nothing to hide!

    Flynn told Vice President Pence that he had had no contact with the Russians, leading to V-P Pence to tell John Dickerson on Face the Nation (January 15th, 2017) “of course not,” to Dickerson’s question: “did any advisor or anybody in the Trump campaign have any contact with the Russians who were trying to meddle in the election?”

    The question clearly identified the campaign period and “Russians who were trying to meddle in the election.” However, the media immediately jumped Pence about contacts at any time with the Russians. Pence said there was none. That was based on Flynn’s having told him as much.

    The “lie” was not established, yet Flynn was fired to protect Pence in the event that the impeachment vigilantes would try to hang him for the answer on Face the Nation. Typical Washington Swamp protection procedure and one in which Flynn cut his teeth in his climb up the promotion ladder to Lt. General.

    Even the FBI agents who interviewed Flynn said that it was unclear to them whether the denial was related to the pre-election period or the transition period.

    Flynn had developed a working relationship with Susan Rice during the Obama administration. Rice likely knew that during the transition, Flynn had begun to try to set up a working relationship with Russian Ambassador Kislyak. Rice fed this to Senator Mark Warner of Virginia and Warner teamed up with Sally Yates to entrap Flynn and set up the narrative which would imply “collusion.”

    There is no working legal definition of “collusion” outside of business manipulations of specific kinds.

    Just whether or how Flynn lied is unknown. But the toxic environment was enough to make it clear to Flynn that he had to fall on his sword to protect his superiors from being accused of compliance or worse. On Thursday, Jan. 26, Sally Yates and Bill Priestap of the Department of Justice National Security Division had a meeting at the White House with White House Counsel Don McGahn in the SCIF and Yates told McGahn that Pence and other White House officials were aware about Flynn’s activity “that we (DOJ) knew not to be the truth.” Yates categorically told McGahn that DOJ had Pence and Flynn tell telling lies concerning national security.

    The Trump Presidency was in day 6, The Democrats were playing hardball. That is the background as we know it at this point.

    It is not against any law or even sensible procedure for the President-elect’s transition team to contact ambassadors, heads of state, etc. It is standard operating procedure.

    What Dickerson referenced on January 15 (during the transition) was specific: “did any advisor or anybody in the Trump campaign have any contact with the Russians who were trying to meddle in the election?”

    Mueller nailed Flynn for lying to the FBI. Not collusion or lying about campaign period contacts with the Russians who were trying to meddle in the election.

    Mueller has got nothing. If he had Flynn on big stuff, he would have done his deal on the big stuff. Furthermore, Mueller has compromised Flynn as his witness because he has established that Flynn will lie. A lying witness is as useful as fleas on a dog. The only thing Mueller gets is “if there was a scheme, we know Flynn lied to protect it.” President-elect Trump directed Flynn to contact the Russians to lay the groundwork for mutual efforts against ISIS in Syria, which is exactly what the incoming national security advisor in a transition position is supposed to do. Flynn pled guilty to a process crime, no an espionage conspiracy. Mueller, above anyone else, understands this. He needed something after 6 months and 16 prosecutors and a gazillion dollars and this, Cas, is it.

    There are more details concerning interactions between McGhan, Yates and the Obama plants, but that is for a different time.

    The Kushner thing is very old news and there is no tie between Flynn and Jared Kushner except on the Progressive conspiracy sites which for some reason totally gloss over that Donald Trump, Jr. was in that same crazy fluster cluck. One reason Mark Warner and the Democrat heavies are staying away from the Kushner thing is because it leads directly to the wiretap on the Trump building and the FISA order authorizing it. When you Progressives finally wake up to the truth, you will forget all of this crap like amnesia tore it out of your lexicon.

    Cas, if I were you, I would be much more worried about why General Sessions is so “missing in action” and mute. You operate at a very superficial level of knowledge and understanding, but you do have swagger. Like a duck. But still swagger. Keep it up. It is amusing and it gives me a chance to update on important goings on. Meanwhile, whilst you are gorging on popcorn: How about those “Kinetic options” and those earthquakes in North Korea? Run, Cas Run. See Cas Run. Cas is Wiki dense. What will Cas do?

    Comment by Heliotrope — December 2, 2017 @ 8:53 pm - December 2, 2017

  7. Trickle down, supply-side, or whatever you want to call it is like a lot things: there’s a point of diminishing returns.

    I don’t see much benefit in the tax bill (the parts we can understand). Projections are useless and there’s zero evidence our “representatives” or “We The People” have any desire to slow the growth in spending. Indeed, we continue to look for ways to literally set fire to trillions in other countries.

    A few years back, Sam Brownback and GOP reps. drastically cut taxes on business in Kansas to “create jobs”. Apparently, they believe people go into business in order to hire workers and pay wages, not to make as much money as possible.

    Anyway, Kansas has been reasonably well run – excellent roads and the like. I like low taxes but I didn’t think I was overtaxed. A few years later, we find that, indeed, businesses don’t exist to hire people and tax revenues fell. A lot. Now we’re into tight budgets and dangerously underfunded state pensions (KS isn’t a high-population state so the numbers don’t have to be California-sized to be bad news)*.

    There are ground-shifting changes underway. The cost of machine learning is dropping like a stone and the nature of work is changing. We can’t know where technology will be next year, much less in ten years. We need new thinking and I don’t see much evidence of that.

    * I’m opposed to defined-benefit pension plans for gov’t workers for a lot of reasons. but they obligation exist and have to be dealt with.

    Comment by KCRob — December 2, 2017 @ 8:57 pm - December 2, 2017

  8. Cas, did you read my post under “Fact Checking” about this very issue?

    Comment by TADFORD — December 2, 2017 @ 9:32 pm - December 2, 2017

  9. Hi KCRob,
    Please correct me if I am wrong, but the Republican legislature overturned Brownback’s experiment, because it was running the state into the ground–plenty of needed spending (in things like education, etc) that was not being done because there wasn’t enough money to do it. The major growth was in the deficits in Kansas..

    Comment by Cas — December 3, 2017 @ 2:26 am - December 3, 2017

  10. Hi TADFORD,
    Could you link me to the comment you made about “Fact Checking” please? Thank you.

    Comment by Cas — December 3, 2017 @ 2:37 am - December 3, 2017

  11. Sorry, Cas…I mentioned the wrong post, and now I can figure out where I left the comment.

    Comment by TADFORD — December 3, 2017 @ 3:19 am - December 3, 2017

  12. While the Senate has passed a version of the tax cut bill, the real proof will be what happens when the House and Senate bills are hashed out in the conference committee and then tried to go through both houses of Congress. Since we know our “beloved” Congress, I can’t see anything worth anything coming out of the process.

    The tax bills were done as the repubs had to try to get at least one of their major promises passed–not everything can be executive order and regulation. If it weren’t for that, I don’t think this whole mess would have been done. So far as I can tell without real research (why bother, it’s going to change tomorrow), after some needed changes in business taxes, the rest is games. Even the alleged deficit figure is a change in ten years, not one or two as is more like what happened in the Obama years.

    I would still like to see a flat tax rate with few loopholes, but a floor for the poor–although I want there to be some sort of minimal (like $100 a year) tax so people feel that “it’s our money they’re wasting” down to some low level. No nation-wide sales tax or VAT unless the Constitution is amended to remove the federal income tax, because as sure as the Lord made little green apples, we’d end up with both taxes.

    Comment by TheQuietMan — December 3, 2017 @ 9:31 am - December 3, 2017

  13. … No nation-wide sales tax or VAT unless the Constitution is amended to remove the federal income tax, because as sure as the Lord made little green apples, we’d end up with both taxes.

    I can remember when the NJ Constitution was amended-by-ballot to allow a state income tax. They promised — promised — that NJ’s even-then notoriously-high property taxes would be eliminated if we just let them levy a “small tax” on incomes. They LIED!!

    We now have even-higher property taxes (which include school taxes) and one of the highest state income taxes in the nation. Politicians are pathological-incapable of given-up a tax-revenue stream. That Federal Communication Tax you pay in your phone-bill? That’s a emergency-funding “temporary war luxury-tax” passed to fund WW1, and it’s still on the books. Those series-E and EE US Savings Bonds you were incourages to buy when you were a kid? They were WW1-era War Bonds that were kept rolling-over through the Great Depression and WW2, and merely re-branded in the Eisenhower Prosperity as peaceful “Savings Bond”

    The Federal Government used to be primarily-funded by tariffs, customs duties and excise taxes*, …with the largest federal bureaucracy being the self-funding USPS. The 2nd-largest was the US Customs service., hence those big impressive Federal Customs Houses in most major port cities throughout the US. Most US resident’s only contact with the Federal Gov’t. was at the Post Office, and for many businesses the Customs House.

    [ * – One reason the Federal Treasury has it’s massive gold and silver hoard was the requirement that all tariffs and customs duties had to be paid at the Customs House in specie gold, gold coin or gold certificates only — not with “cash”. Most “ordinary” US currency in circulation were Bank notes, or Treasury silver certificates, silver coinage, or later Federal Reserve Bank notes. (legal tender) ]

    Comment by Ted B. (Charging Rhino) — December 3, 2017 @ 10:16 am - December 3, 2017

  14. After the tax bill gets out of the House and is signed by Trump, after the Obamacare Mandate is completely obliterated, we will be able to work on reforming the new tax code which is better than nothing. Otherwise it does indeed tax the average American less, which pisses off the leftists and their Communist minded ilk

    The bill will indeed be approved by the House and signed by the President Trump. This is yet another big win for the right and this is why we’ve had so much BS coming from the Rabid left, you know who I’m talking about with the three or four idiots that comment here from the perspective of their harmful and destructive anti-American crap..

    I am indeed celebrating today. And in quite wonderment of just how deluded people like “Cas”, CCCP, rusty and mike (little letter) truly are. But, you know, it doesn’t matter what oozes out of their traps. They’re just intent on distraction and trying to make themselves feel better. Peter Hughes often notices CCCP’s black eyes when it’s been dealt a blow or two. All the Lefties that comment here are each suffering right now. No need to feel sorry for them. Every need to keep smashing them down. They’re anti-American, they’re anti-freedom and Pro authoritarian State and big government (which is completely counter to what this country is all about). Irrelevant insects and hardly worth a response unless the record needs to be corrected or when one is needing an excuse to clarify.

    Comment by Hanover — December 3, 2017 @ 12:09 pm - December 3, 2017

  15. Cas,

    Dershowitz can help you with the Flynn indictment.

    Comment by Heliotrope — December 3, 2017 @ 12:51 pm - December 3, 2017

  16. @9: yes, some of the cuts were undone but they left a hole to fill.

    Comment by KCRob — December 3, 2017 @ 1:01 pm - December 3, 2017

  17. And along come Piss Cas and CrayCray to screech that reducing taxes on businesses and individuals doesn’t create any jobs or economic value and just redistributes wealth to rich people.

    Funny, they sang a different tune when it came to liberal causes.

    http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-krekorian-film-tax-credit-20140714-story.html

    https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/green/news/2010/10/20/8451/generating-clean-energy-jobs/

    So would Piss Cas and CrayCray explain why they and their Democrat Party scream that these tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires create jobs, investment and tax revenue?

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — December 3, 2017 @ 2:43 pm - December 3, 2017

  18. And now, let’s get to the meat of what Piss Cas and CrayCray are so upset about.

    Quotes from Piss Cas:

    It is clever of you to make Democrats main concern about deficits. It is not–it is about increasing income and wealth inequality–something that should concern you and others here as well……

    But then why do these cuts? What purpose do they serve apart from redistributing more wealth and income towards the top, in part at the expense of some of those lower down the ladder?

    This starkly exposes what is at the root of Piss Cas and CrayCray’s screaming meltdown over tax cuts.

    To them, government exists for one purpose — to take money from those who earn it and to give it to those who don’t.

    Hence all their blather about “infrastructure” and the like are flat-out lies. Their only concern is that government force other people to hand over their money at gunpoint and “redistribute” it.

    And two guesses as to whom they want it redistributed.

    Now, this is where liberals reveal their true colors. We always have liberals like Piss Cas and CrayCray saying it’s “unfair” and that they want to be taxed more to “help the poor”.

    In fact, some pathetic LGBT celebrity named Billy Eichner tried tweeting this yesterday:

    Thank you to all the working class Trump voters who will get crushed by the new tax bill but who’s vote just bought me a new swimming pool! You’re all welcome to come over and use it! (Warning: there are a LOT of gay guys in the pool).

    9:29 AM – 2 Dec 2017

    https://twitter.com/billyeichner/status/937010850048520192?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

    So get that: this leftist screamed and screamed that he wanted to be taxed more to help “the poor”.

    So what does he do with the money instead? Buy a swimming pool and throw drunken parties.

    This shows that liberals like Piss Cas and CrayCray do not give one damn about “the poor”. They simply use that as an excuse to dip their own snouts in the trough.

    Piss Cas and CrayCray want higher taxes on you so they get more welfare, full stop.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — December 3, 2017 @ 3:27 pm - December 3, 2017

  19. NDT,

    On another thread, I stuck it to CrayCray over “feeding the homeless” and he got edgy over my verbosity, lack of clarity, etc.

    Essentially, I made the same distinctions you did. The socialism bound folks have a list of wants and they have a level of expectation for the quality of the largess that is given to them. In other words, they demand a gift horse with papers.

    Were I being asked about having no choice but to be a minion of socialism, I would probably be pretty sensitive about what would be “given” to me as well.

    Cas is a fraud. There is the phony stuff about being a part of the U.S., the lack of clarity of just how much welfare supports the Cas, the niggling and goal shifting and passive-aggressive badgering. You know the drill. But, as a troll, Cas is persistent, if not masochistic.

    CrayCray and Cas have formed a sort of seventh grade cafeteria table bond where they play off of one another. Remarkably, some of Cray,Cray’s comments rise to a parallel with the Cas argot when Cas is argotting with clarity. It is both noticeable and remarkable.

    I assume CrayCray is gay and is drawn here in part for the camaraderie. Cas may use this site on the belief that victims need shepherding. Who knows?

    Cas often wishes to get into the weeds and arcane aspects of economics. At #2. Cas informs:

    It might surprise you to learn that I am neither for or against deficits.

    Who, pray tell, is the least bit interested in what Cas thinks about deficits, let alone being surprised that Cas swings both ways regarding said deficits?

    As a Progressive, Cas has to accommodate the New Deal, ignore the fact that WWII ended the Great Depression, cover for the Great Society, bitch at Reagan, praise Clintoon, blame Bush 43 for the Obama deficits and pummel Trump for taking credit of the economic blastoff set up by Obama. It is all so textbook Marxist. A useful idiot talking useful idiot talk while (or is it “whilst”) sneering at the sheep. Cas fancies itself as one of the elite who, upon getting issued a swagger stick, will become hell on wheels when it comes to the sheep. As Ward Churchill colorfully framed it: one of the little Eichmanns.

    My attention is not drawn to what Cas and CrayCray write per se – it is the doors they open which are so easily shut with statements of principle and common sense. Were I a blogger, they would be fertile fodder with their Progressive sloganeering and lunacy.

    Cas can not understand America for the simple reason that our cultural heritage is not part of the Cas experience. Trump got the highest evangelical Protestant vote of any candidate in U.S. history. 80-16 among white evangelicals. He won “yuge” among Orthodox Jews. Trump is on his third marriage, is painted as vulgar and often fumbles on fundamental Old Testament stuff. So what’s up with that?

    David Goldman says this is part and parcel with the West’s struggle with the sacred – that which endures beyond our lifetime and the lifetimes of our children and which make us unique and distinguish us from other peoples and cannot be violated without destroying our sense of who we are.

    Goldman points out that “the prevailing social philosophy of modern liberalism” is “the assertion that every individual should invent his (own) identity.” Goldman quotes both Jean-Paul Sartre (Exilstentialism: we invent our own essence.) and Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy’s ruling on same-sex marriage: “The Constitution promises liberty to all within its reach, a liberty that includes specific rights that allow persons, within a lawful realm, to define and express their identity.”

    Goldman states:

    The conceit that we can “define and express” our own identity is perhaps the cruelest hoax ever perpetrated on civilised peoples. We are neither clever enough nor strong enough to do so; to the extent that we succeed in such an endeavour, we make ourselves into monsters. There is a better word for postmodern identity, and that is anomie. Cut off from its past, the postmodern West has no vision of its future, and its most characteristic response is to fail to bring children into the world, thus ensuring that it will have no future of any kind.

    It is hard to predict just where Cas and CrayCray would fall asleep in this recitation or, in the case of Cas, pick a trivial bone with what shade of blue, blue actually is.

    Progressives know they want to bury the past, but they are very skittish about drawing their roadmaps to the future. They are addicted to the dream of perfection and the perfectibility of man, but totally bereft of how to do it other than by controlling government decree.

    In summation, Progressives know a unicorn when they see it, but they can’t describe it any practical way. A clever sommelier can talk them into praising the house wine to the roof so long as it costs a fortune and the label is appealing. That is how it swings when you are creating your own identity and your essence.

    Obama went out into the world to diminish America and cut it down to size. Hillary arrived for her coronation and the colonial rubes clinging to their guns and Bibles and identity chose Trump over the road to mediocrity and oblivion.

    And now, what do amoral people (Progressives) fall back on when their hyper-critical narrative recoils and bites them in the butt? Their own vaunted “zeitgeist” use of Alinsky’s rules of – ridicule, making the enemy live up to his own book of rules, keeping the pressure on, picking the target and freezing it and personalizing it and polarizing it – has boomeranged on them and they are trying desperately to find a sheltering corner in the roundhouse of their tactics.

    Being amoral makes them a sinking ship with no freight to throw overboard. What do they fall back on? Their asses.

    Comment by Heliotrope — December 3, 2017 @ 5:03 pm - December 3, 2017

  20. There are snowflakes on the right. Both sides are just as bad as one another.

    Comment by James — December 3, 2017 @ 9:30 pm - December 3, 2017

  21. Hi All,
    I can tell that some of you are really feeling your oats. No problem, but you would be wrong to think that I feel very sad about the current situation. The fact that this is the best that the Republican Party can do controlling all the levers of power is pretty damning as is the the approach that those who are crowing about the poor libruls and their bruising loss.

    The main thing that many of you think is important is that this is sticking it to libruls. Yes, there is that. Enjoy it. But I think it is revealing that this feeling is just about all you have going for your tax bill. Your defense of it is Luke warm at best. I have said that this bill is an hammer in search of a nail. I have yet to hear anyone make a sustained coherent argument in favor of it. It will spur economic growth, though the numbers look anemic at best. It will increase employment and raise wages. Hmm, yes it will, but not in a way that you are going to like. It will make the lives of all Americans better off, even though the cuts are temporary for individuals (if not corporations) and that a significant number of Americans will pay more. It won’t raise the deficit because we will grow our way out of it even though Republicans dare not put riders to cut back on tax “relief” if the budget position worsens.

    So, make the argument for your tax cut. Before you do, in the interest of fairness, I will make one argument as to why this tax cut is a bad idea–and it has nothing to do with deficits. It has everything to do with the fact that it won’t do what you argue that it will. It will lead us into bad places. It is going to lead to inflation and likely, an eventual recession.

    First, I start by raising one of the points used to sell this tax package. It will create jobs and increase pay; that is a plus given all those who still suffer from crappy employment. I think in the short run, it will create jobs and raise nominal wages. Aerinyes asked me about this issue here at comment 37. U3 is the official unemployment rate. If you looked for a job and couldn’t find one, you count as part of U3. Aerinyes complained that this was a lousy measure of employment, since there are so many discouraged, marginally attached, and involuntarily part time workers. U3 doesn’t record them. Absolutely right. However, U6 does.

    U6 is near as low as it was during the boom before the Great Recession, and getting down to where it was during the Clinton Boom. As I remember it, commentators here and conservative commentators elsewhere were telling us how could it all was and how workers had never had it so good, well at least before the market collapsed in 2008. Now, at a similar U6, apparently workers are in deep trouble with crappy and soul-destroying jobs. So, what exactly has changed, apart from the Republican & conservative rhetoric of “emergency and decline” that is designed to make the case for this tax cut?

    What is the likely impact of this tax cut on employment? The statistics say to us that we are at “full employment.” We have employment consistent with structural and frictional unemployment–the Natural Rate of Unemployment. Aggregate Supply (AS) equals Aggregate Demand (AD). The labour market has shown signs of recent tightening, not surprisingly, consistent with this. So, what are these deficit creating tax cuts going to do? In the short run, they will increase AD. Firms will demand more labour. They will offer new workers and their current workers higher wages. Just like the Repubs said they would. However, what they don’t tell you is that firms will pass on the higher costs they now have from higher wages onto Americans in the form of higher prices for goods. Workers will pay these higher prices because they have higher wages, and then they will turn around and demand higher wages since higher prices are eating into their purchasing power. That is the start of a wage-price spiral. That will lead to higher inflation, especially once workers factor in higher inflation, and adjust their inflationary expectations higher.

    What can stop this? The Fed. If the Fed accommodates the higher inflation, inflation will accelerate. President Trump will praise the Fed if they do this, saying that the inflation is a blip and will disappear before it can do harm. I don’t think that Fed inaction is likely. If they don’t stand by, they will squeeze out the inflation by increasing interest rates. President Trump will rail against the Fed for doing this, since it crushes the economic growth he promised. My guess is that this tightening will start the minute the tax cuts pass both houses of Congress. That probably eventually brings on the recession that nobody wants.

    So, that is one argument I make against the tax cuts you consider a victory. I await, with interest, for you to explain to me how and why I got it wrong in this argument. Admittedly, that task will require a bit more analysis than pointing out that your side “won.”

    Comment by Cas — December 3, 2017 @ 9:58 pm - December 3, 2017

  22. The Senate bill is more palatable to me due to retaining the current tax treatment for tuition waivers for graduate students. Hopefully, the Senate GOP will stick to this provision when the various Congressional committees work toward reconciling the House and Senate versions of the tax reform bill. For transparency, I am a graduate student working as a teaching assistant at my university, and am quite concerned about the significant increase in taxes I may have if my tuition waivers turn out to be taxed as income. My plan has always been to work for my department as a way to pay for my education (and NOT take out loans), so I am hoping for the best in this case.

    Comment by B. Long — December 3, 2017 @ 10:28 pm - December 3, 2017

  23. Just how the hell does Cas know so much about a bill that has only passed the Senate?

    Please, Cas, post 50 pages or so of the very worst stuff in the bill along with your salient notations.

    Or, stop smoking whatever you are smoking and wait until the bill becomes the law and people who know how to dissect such arcane crapola weigh in on it.

    You continue to be a piece of work beyond sober or sane imagination.

    I await, with interest, for you to explain to me how and why I got it wrong in this argument.

    You couldn’t pose a thesis and present the argument if your very life depended upon it. Proving anything to you is mission impossible, because of your immediate goal shifting defense mechanism.

    Comment by Heliotrope — December 3, 2017 @ 10:47 pm - December 3, 2017

  24. Good luck B. Long. I hope they don’t do what they appear to want to do.

    Comment by Cas — December 4, 2017 @ 1:07 am - December 4, 2017

  25. Heliotrope, #23, “Cas” is a fraud. You’ve said it, I’ve said it and we’re not the only ones that have referred to it as such. Circular arguments, pretend articulation – it’s a long list now. What’s clear to me is that it’s just a third-rate divide and conquer addict. Eagerly aligning itself with anyone that is ridiculous enough to say something even slightly sympathetic, anyone that interacts with it with anything other than a stance of counterespionage. The libs are desperate to make themselves feel better. This one is particularly noxious.

    Comment by Hanover — December 4, 2017 @ 1:37 am - December 4, 2017

  26. Hanover,

    Well stated. Cas is an apparatchik and its only purpose is to obfuscate.

    I looked back at #2 and was amused by the opening salvo:

    Can you or anyone else explain to me the rationale for these tax cuts, why they are targeted the way they are and why they went about it the way they did? Hmm. Good luck with that.

    No.

    But, hey, Cas – turnabout is fair play so: Can you explain to me the rationale for being against these tax cuts, why they are targeted the way they are and should not be so targeted and how they should have gone about it, but didn’t? Hmm. Good luck with that.

    We all await your forthcoming explanations.

    Comment by Heliotrope — December 4, 2017 @ 9:11 am - December 4, 2017

  27. The key point of the tax cuts is to get the American Corporate tax rate from the highest in the world to the middle of the pack so our companies can compete better and stop moving to places like Canada (Burger King) and Ireland (Medtronic) to avoid the disadvantages of operating in the USA. Everything else in the bill is window dressing.

    Comment by V the K — December 4, 2017 @ 10:01 am - December 4, 2017

  28. Surely someone who has some understanding of economics at the high school level or better on your side of the fence is willing to step forward and defend this tax cut? And can rationally meet the first obvious objection that I have raised?

    You have been played.

    Comment by Cas — December 4, 2017 @ 10:08 am - December 4, 2017

  29. Hi V the K,
    Thank you for your brief reply.
    Do you agree that the tax cut will increase AD? If so, what are the repercussions of that in your mind, given the current state of the economy as I suggested at #21?

    Comment by Cas — December 4, 2017 @ 10:33 am - December 4, 2017

  30. Translation:

    Hi V the K,

    Thanks for taking the bait, whether you did or not.

    If you agree with me (Cas), what are the repercussion of that in your mind, given the current state of the economy as I (Cas) framed it.

    There is no way I can call you foolish until you give me something to digress from.

    I’m (Cas) being quite passive here, so be not afraid.

    Comment by Heliotrope — December 4, 2017 @ 12:51 pm - December 4, 2017

  31. Surely someone who has some understanding of economics at the high school level or better on your side of the fence is willing to step forward and defend this tax cut? And can rationally meet the first obvious objection that I have raised?

    You have been played.

    Comment by Cas — December 4, 2017 @ 10:08 am – December 4, 2017

    Oh, of course, Cas.

    Because someone like you who has stated that your entire goal is to redistribute wealth from poor suckers like us to the enlightened people like you would never lie to us.

    I am a wealthy person, Piss Cas, with multiple graduate degrees. You have slandered my educational achievement. You have stated your hostility to me. You have openly stated that your goal with taxation is to take my wealth away and redistribute it to yourself. You have screamed that I am a Nazi, that I am a racist, that I am deplorable, that I “didn’t build that”, and done everything in your power to attack me, tear me down and inflict harm on me.

    Why in the HELL am I supposed to believe anything you say?

    Better yet, why should I care, Piss Cas? I have my degrees. I am successful. I pay my bills and I earn my keep. I have proven that not only do I understand life, I am more than capable of being an adult and meeting all adult reponsibilities.

    Perhaps you aren’t familiar with dealing with actual, educated adults. Like CrayCray, you come across as a spoiled child, one who is used to hurling insults at your parents and teachers and demanding that they do your bidding or else they’re awful people. In that case, it’s understandable that all you can do is throw juvenile taunts about peoples’ educational level; that’s always worked with the weak and inferior adults with which you’ve surrounded yourself.

    But here you are dealing with educated people who recognize your abusive tendencies and are simply mocking you, Cas. That explains why your posts are getting longer and more shrill with demands. Since you have no intelligent response, all you can do is obfuscate and scream louder.

    And thus we will laugh all the more.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — December 4, 2017 @ 3:06 pm - December 4, 2017

  32. Hi North Dallas Thirty,
    I am glad you have some advanced degrees. I really am! I think that is fantastic. How awesome is that!

    But I notice that you don’t put your advanced degrees to use here, North Dallas Thirty.

    And for you–this reply is such weak sauce. You are a Mako Shark, North Dallas Thirty! You are the deep threat, and here you are acting like a minnow. I don’t understand. Even the insults are subdued. OK then.

    You would have been better off just ignoring the challenge, and pretend that it didn’t concern you or that you didn’t read it. Now, bragging about the size of your degree(s) plus your non-answer just makes you and others who practice that type of approach look weak by ducking the question. It surely cannot be because you have no answer; it is not hard analysis.

    Oh well, I had thought you to be a beautiful shark, but could it be that you are really a minnow? The thought makes me feel sad, North Dallas Thirty. 🙁

    Comment by Cas — December 4, 2017 @ 6:21 pm - December 4, 2017

  33. LMAO.

    And once again, the intelligent adult manages to manipulate the spoiled and malicious brat into showing itself and its utter lack of intellectual capacity.

    Notice how Piss Cas asserts I’m not using my degrees. How would Piss Cas know that? It’s only a stupid child, a malignant and malicious liar who will say anything to get attention.

    Same with the “weak sauce” and the “minnow” jibes. Again, how would Piss Cas know? It has no educational achievement. It has no facts. All it can do is scream and yell and try to manipulate actual adults.

    The last is particularly hilarious, in which Piss Cas tries to act disappointed. Again, a classic example of manipulation. Piss Cas couldn’t care less about someone else unless it gets what it wants. It is a malignant and lying sociopath, someone who will justify stealing from others because it wants it. As it has already stated, the only reason Piss Cas wants taxes is so that the government will take away other peoples’ livelihoods so that Piss Cas does not have to work.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — December 4, 2017 @ 6:38 pm - December 4, 2017

  34. Hi ND30,

    I am a wealthy person, Piss Cas, with multiple graduate degrees.

    Would you still be if you were born poor without an influential mother?

    Cheers,
    CCP

    Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — December 4, 2017 @ 9:17 pm - December 4, 2017

  35. So, CrayCray, have you never met a self-made person?

    And, Cas, from your perch, how should NDT put advanced degrees to work here on GayPatriot?

    bragging about the size of your degree(s) plus your non-answer just makes you and others who practice that type of approach look weak by ducking the question. It surely cannot be because you have no answer; it is not hard analysis.

    You flatter yourself. You pose an idiotic question and you flail away at NDT because he “doesn’t answer it.”

    Well, at #26, I asked your stupid-as-it-gets question back at you and you ran away. So, here it is again:

    Can you explain to me the rationale for being against these tax cuts, why they are targeted the way they are and should not be so targeted and how they should have gone about it, but didn’t? Hmm. Good luck with that.

    Posing queries and demanding responses is petulance personified. But that is where you stand.

    Comment by Heliotrope — December 4, 2017 @ 9:50 pm - December 4, 2017

  36. Would you still be if you were born poor without an influential mother?

    Cheers,
    CCP

    Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — December 4, 2017 @ 9:17 pm – December 4, 2017

    Actually, I was born poor, as you put it. My father was starting a business from scratch and my mother stayed home to take care of us.

    That’s what makes your crack about an “influential mother” so entertaining — my mother has no college degree and was a homemaker until I was in my teens, when she went to work at minimal wage to help pay the bills when we moved and my father had to rebuild his business in a new location. So if she’s “influential”, she’s certainly managed to be without all the markers that you leftists insist that a woman “needs” to be such.

    But of course, this is the thinking of the malicious and jealous leftist. In order to justify your hatred and desire to steal from others, you, like your imbecile Obama, have to shriek “you didn’t earn that”, which then somehow makes your stealing it better.

    The entertaining thing is how well it programs Democrats like yourself to remain helpless. There is nothing the Democrat Party hates more than the idea that by hard work and thrift you can move upward in society. Hence why you naturally assume the success I’ve had is due to being born rich and with influence — because you can’t conceptualize that one can be born poor and without influence and still be successful.

    Is this why you hate people like Ben Carson so much, CrayCray?

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — December 4, 2017 @ 10:04 pm - December 4, 2017

  37. Hi North Dallas Thirty!
    That’s the spirit–your can do spirit that I have come to know and appreciate!

    And it is weak North Dallas Thirty. Weak weak weak–its OK, I still want to hear from you. I almost feel like going all North Dallas Thirty on your tuchus just to show you how much I admire you and your approach. But what is the point? I am not you, I can’t do it the way you do–nobody does it better than you, you self-made man you. It is just not my style. Thank you for sharing your story–so inspirational. I was just a little progressive, suckling at the government teat growing up, compared with you, you strongly manly ruggedly individualistically you, you. And yet here is a silly little progressive getting you to act all defensive and insecure about not answering.

    For example: You put an awful lot of stock in having me actively like your degrees, even if I don’t know them at all. Unfortunately, just so you know, I have no idea what you do with your degrees–you think I don’t like them; why, I don’t know, I just don’t know or care about them. Your degrees and I haven’t been introduced. Maybe your degrees and I could go out on a date, break the ice, get to know each other? But if you like your degrees, wonderful. But why that is relevant to defending the tax cut that you support because, um, “Tax cut!!!!” I have no idea. I can’t answer the question of why you avoid the issue, and as you make clear, you can’t either. You just get defensive and hope no one notices. I notice though. Wink wink.

    With your advanced degrees I am sure you could answer a question that high school students will be grappling with when they do their civic classes. I am sorry that I hurt your feelings and that you feel so defensive, but sometimes you have to let it go and let that big rugged (and rich!!! rich!!!!) sensitive individualist shine through. Take a chance. I mean you no harm and am eager to engage with you! 🙂

    Comment by Cas — December 4, 2017 @ 11:08 pm - December 4, 2017

  38. Hi ND30,

    Actually, I was born poor, as you put it. My father was starting a business from scratch and my mother stayed home to take care of us.

    Well, then. My sources were poor. But, I could have sworn a comment like this got a different response out of you years ago. Anyway, this time, it certainly got you to reveal a rich history that got you all the way into the San Francisco city limits and nude photoshoots on red velvet.

    Hi Cas,

    I was just a little progressive, suckling at the government teat growing up

    Me too! I grew up on food stamps and neither of my parents worked and lived off the government as well. We’re all card-carrying members of ANTI-FA and together as a family we bomb NRA conventions and churches (only evangelical ones, because we all know most of the mainstream churches today are full of liberals). I also founded the Occupy Movement thanks to George Soros. We started it in a pizza parlour owned by John Podesta.

    Cheers,
    CCP

    Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — December 4, 2017 @ 11:39 pm - December 4, 2017

  39. Hi CrayCrayPatriot!
    Aye, that’s nuthin’. Here I am thinkin’ I ‘ad it rough, growin’ up with unwed mother raisin’ us on welfare got from government–me and me 15 siblings, all from different fathers, in the big ‘ouse we got from government, with the Cadillac and our cell phones got from government, helping us remember dinner on time. And the government cooked that too. Aye. And the heroin, don’t forget that …

    Comment by Cas — December 5, 2017 @ 12:53 am - December 5, 2017

  40. LMAO.

    And here we see how easy it is to manipulate the childish and intellectually-stunted brat Piss Cas into contradicting itself.

    But if you like your degrees, wonderful. But why that is relevant to defending the tax cut that you support because, um, “Tax cut!!!!”

    And the answer is because the childish brat Piss Cas made it so by insisting that educational achievement = opposing the tax cut.

    To whit:

    Surely someone who has some understanding of economics at the high school level or better on your side of the fence is willing to step forward and defend this tax cut?

    And:

    But I notice that you don’t put your advanced degrees to use here, North Dallas Thirty.

    Of course, now that the screaming brat is trapped, it starts choking on its own word vomit and says that degrees and education are irrelevant.

    Again, hilarious. Couple that with more attempted childish taunts about how the reply is “weak”, and so forth.

    And then the imbecilic child Piss Cas shoots itself perfectly in its own foot.

    I have no idea. I can’t answer the question of why you avoid the issue, and as you make clear, you can’t either. You just get defensive and hope no one notices. I notice though. Wink wink.

    After, of course, Heliotrope issued Piss Cas this challenge:

    But, hey, Cas – turnabout is fair play so: Can you explain to me the rationale for being against these tax cuts, why they are targeted the way they are and should not be so targeted and how they should have gone about it, but didn’t? Hmm. Good luck with that.

    We all await your forthcoming explanations.

    Comment by Heliotrope — December 4, 2017 @ 9:11 am – December 4, 2017

    And reiterated it after Piss Cas tried to ignore it and got all defensive:

    Well, at #26, I asked your stupid-as-it-gets question back at you and you ran away. So, here it is again:

    Can you explain to me the rationale for being against these tax cuts, why they are targeted the way they are and should not be so targeted and how they should have gone about it, but didn’t? Hmm. Good luck with that.

    Posing queries and demanding responses is petulance personified. But that is where you stand.

    Comment by Heliotrope — December 4, 2017 @ 9:50 pm – December 4, 2017

    Hence the mockery. It’s so obvious to everyone but Piss Cas and rage-blinded bigots like CrayCray what is happening, which is why we’re all laughing. And the more one taunts and mocks the childish brats, the more screaming and ranting that one gets out of CrayCray and Piss Cas.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — December 5, 2017 @ 11:23 am - December 5, 2017

  41. And then we have the hilarity of CrayCray getting smacked and then trying his usual sniping tactics.

    Well, then. My sources were poor. But, I could have sworn a comment like this got a different response out of you years ago.

    Well, of course. CrayCray is a malicious liar and bigot who remembers what he wants to remember.

    Anyway, this time, it certainly got you to reveal a rich history that got you all the way into the San Francisco city limits and nude photoshoots on red velvet.

    And the answer there: so what?

    What’s really funny is this: CrayCray would be the first to scream there’s nothing wrong with doing nude photoshoots on red velvet if it were a liberal doing it; indeed, he’d start shrieking about prudery and your opposition being proof that you’re self-loathing.

    So apparently the argument is that conservatives like myself are to be held to a higher standard which isn’t possible for liberals. As I’ve pointed out, that’s simply CrayCray admitting that liberals are mentally and morally inferior to conservatives, and thus can’t possibly be held to the same standards. It’s the same reason that he shrieks a 33-year-old dating a 17-year-old is “pedophilia”, but then insists that 33-year-old Harvey Milk dating and having sex with 16-year-old Jack Galen McKinley is not; he’s aware that liberals are incapable of stopping themselves from having sex with children. Indeed, CrayCray defended Obama’s education czar Kevin Jennings, who openly promoted and pushed a 16-year-old to go have sex with older men in bus station restrooms.

    This is how liberals play the game. They want to try to use the fact that you have morals against you. They want you to self-correct in their favor because “shame”, while they are the first to scream that “shaming” is wrong. The response is simple: state that either their rules apply, or they admit that they’re morally inferior and that you are superior and thus should be held to a different standard.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — December 5, 2017 @ 11:45 am - December 5, 2017

  42. Well, now that CrayCray and Cas are attacking a commenter’s mother, I guess we have pretty nearly scraped bottom.

    North Dallas Thirty is totally unknown to me other than his words in the comments section of this blog.

    Never have I read one thing about what society owes North Dallas Thirty in his words.

    Never have I wondered or cared if he eats cheap tuna from a can and is working hard on getting up the energy to start working on thinking about starting to get motivated to try passing the test for a GED.

    North Dallas Thirty chooses to be both colorful and confrontational to those whose ideology is based on what North Dallas Thirty and society in general is obligated to do for them.

    CrayCray has reverted to being the whiner at the seventh grade cafeteria table who shoots his laser pointer at people’s eyes to see if they will step in it.

    Cas is so full of itself and its need to dominate that I can visualize Cas lecturing the pigeons in the park. Cas is an expert on Lyndon Johnson, the Nazi intelligence apparatus, economics, spontaneous digustion, socialism, and so much more that it becomes clear that Cas is a true renaissance mind trapped into trying to find friendship on the internet.

    So, I allowed Cas to go first:

    Can you explain to me the rationale for being against these tax cuts, why they are targeted the way they are and should not be so targeted and how they should have gone about it, but didn’t?

    Rather than us feeding Cas morsel by morsel so that Cas can ring the gong and shift the topic, I gave Cas the golden opportunity to ask its exact same questions as reworked to reflect the Cas thesis.

    And now we have the Cas-CrayCray food fight in which North Dallas Thirty is the dirty birdie and a real icy-poo person.

    You have your nadirs and you have your zeniths. This has devolved to sub-nadir.

    North Dallas Thirty’s mother, indeed.

    Comment by Heliotrope — December 5, 2017 @ 12:09 pm - December 5, 2017

  43. Hi Helio,

    I believe ND30 lowered the bar when he started calling commenters pedophiles and whores, amongst other comments.

    And, if you want to speak of age differences–as you seem strangely obsessed with–why don’t you direct your interests towards the head honcho here.

    Cheers,
    CCP

    Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — December 5, 2017 @ 3:50 pm - December 5, 2017

  44. And, if you want to speak of age differences–as you seem strangely obsessed with–why don’t you direct your interests towards the head honcho here.

    Please clarify.

    Substantiation also needed.

    What, pray tell, is embedded in the meme of “age-differences” and what constitutes an “obsession’ with such?

    Really, CrayCray, I haven’t got a clue. I feel the sting of a nerf ball gone berserk.

    Comment by Heliotrope — December 5, 2017 @ 4:17 pm - December 5, 2017

  45. CrayCray,

    Upon reflection, I truly do not want to get into a back and forth over what your irritations with my existence may be. Just barf when you see my comments, skip over them and babble on over whatever is tugging at your esteem at the moment.

    But do consider raising the level a tad when you decide to go low.

    Comment by Heliotrope — December 5, 2017 @ 4:58 pm - December 5, 2017

  46. Hi North Dallas Thirty,
    By the way, let me know if one or more of your advanced degrees wants a night out to strut its stuff. From your admiration for them, I can tell they must be very good-looking. It would be an honor to treat it (or even them) respectfully as well as show it (them) a good and wholesome time out on the town. It clearly doesn’t get out enough. I am thinking that it must get a little bored and lonely pining at home waiting for you to come back from your adventures to share with them what you have done. Do you bring them gifts?

    Comment by Cas — December 5, 2017 @ 9:52 pm - December 5, 2017

  47. What, pray tell, is embedded in the meme of “age-differences” and what constitutes an “obsession’ with such?

    Really, CrayCray, I haven’t got a clue. I feel the sting of a nerf ball gone berserk.

    Comment by Heliotrope — December 5, 2017 @ 4:17 pm – December 5, 2017

    It’s the same reason that Piss Cas is babbling nonsensically about taking my degrees out on a date or whatever.

    We’ve essentially blown their minds and flipped them over into their true personalities — spiteful, vindictive, and emotionally-unstable children.

    CrayCray is trying to state that V the K is a pedophile. However, I have neatly neutralized that line of attack by pointing out that the sainted Harvey Milk quite openly dated and had sex with 16-year-old Jack Galen McKinley — when Milk was 33.

    Hence, since CrayCray is on record shrieking that age differences and 17-year-olds make one creepy and a pedophile, he has to acknowledge that he, the LGBT community and the Democrat Party idolize a creepy pedophile. When you throw on additional examples like proud NAMBLA members Allen Ginsberg and Harry Hay, it gets even worse.

    Meanwhile, Heliotrope, CrayCray’s attacking of one’s families is nothing new here. ILC, V the K and I have all dealt with him for years, and the general consensus is that he would be dangerous if his desire to stalk, blackmail and use information to manipulate others was matched by actual competence in doing so. As it stands, though, it’s more fun to bait him into revealing just how petty and low he’s willing to go for “revenge” — as both V the K and I have been doing of late.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — December 6, 2017 @ 12:08 am - December 6, 2017

  48. Hi Helio,

    I only bring it up when the main blogger brings it on himself through his own hypocrisy. There’s a simple solution: stop being an anonymous hypocrite, and I’ll stop pointing out the hypocrisy.

    *shrug*

    But do consider raising the level a tad when you decide to go low.

    I’ll raise the bar as soon as you actually read what I write, rather than make up in your head what it was that I had written.

    😉

    Hi ND30,

    We’ve essentially blown their minds and flipped them over into their true personalities

    Oh really? Grew up poor, huh? LMAO I can’t believe I fell for that.

    CrayCray is trying to state that V the K is a pedophile.

    He brings up his personal life at his convenience, without engaging certain truths about himself, while passing judgment on others to serve his agenda. I’m only pointing it out whenever I see it.

    CrayCray’s attacking of one’s families is nothing new here. ILC, V the K and I have all dealt with him for years

    I’ve actually never attacked ILC’s personal life. But, that’s just more lies out of you. And, I only bring up V the K’s personal life whenever he makes a hypocrite out of himself while conveniently hiding behind his computer. You, well, my love, I only started throwing your personal life back at you once you started making up nasty lies about me.

    So, my love, you started flinging the sh!t first. You brought Minnie’s special pies upon yo’ self.

    Cheers,
    CCP

    Comment by CrayCrayPatriot — December 6, 2017 @ 12:43 am - December 6, 2017

  49. The offer is still good North Dallas Thirty…

    Comment by Cas — December 6, 2017 @ 2:03 am - December 6, 2017

  50. OK, this is too weird for me.

    I have had my time with manipulative psychos and moved on to interacting with those who are healthy and sane. It is easier to choose your battles than it is to fend off someone else’s demons in bizarro world. I paid my dues in a life of teaching; now I take the seat I choose, not the one someone wants to put me in.

    I don’t like people who attack family, religion or spouses. It is the lowest form of malice and it speaks volumes about the attacker. I find no value in discussing ethics or morality with anyone who is operating according to his own outcome-based needs.

    So, I will join the chorus and regard these two trolls as needy addicts come to get their fix.

    Comment by Heliotrope — December 6, 2017 @ 8:48 am - December 6, 2017

  51. I don’t like people who attack family, religion or spouses. It is the lowest form of malice and it speaks volumes about the attacker. I find no value in discussing ethics or morality with anyone who is operating according to his own outcome-based needs.

    Exactly why I haven’t asked Jeff to delete Vince’s comments, I think they show him exactly for who he is.

    Comment by V the K — December 6, 2017 @ 9:10 am - December 6, 2017

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