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Republican Tax Cuts to Destroy All Life and Hope in the Universe

Posted by V the K at 9:05 am - December 20, 2017.
Filed under: Unhinged Liberals

So sayeth Democrat House Leader Nancy Pelosi.

“The bill that the Republicans are putting forth to go to conference is probably one of the worst bills in the history of the United States of America,” Pelosi said, just moments before the Republicans voted to begin the conference negotiations designed to iron out the differences between the tax bills passed by the two chambers.

“The debate on health care is like death,” Pelosi said. “This is armageddon.”

Senate Democrat Leader Chuck “Bitch Stewardess” Schumer has also lost his marbles.

When he just couldn’t take it anymore he lashed out at Republicans: “This is serious stuff. We believe you’re messing up America,” he shouted.

LOL. Where you been the last eight years, sChmuck? Where were you when your president ordered law enforcement to stand down from an investigation of a terrorist organization running drugs into the United States to finance terror so he could cozy up to the biggest state sponsor of terrorism on all the Earth?

But, yeah, go ahead and lose your freakin’ mind over some fairly modest tax reform.

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I wonder how she’s doing today. She really was the very best part of the Trump Inaugural, yes?

Aren’t you glad to be a conservative? To have interests in life other than politics and sexual gratification? Faith, family, work, college football (it’s signing day! Woo-Hoo!), hockey, home… these are things that keep us from marching around like idiots wearing coal-scuttle bonnets and ‘Caroling for Impeachment.’

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  1. I did hear that the Democrats were screaming in the Senate on Tuesday which brought a wonderful smile to my face. You know it’s worthy of note that the Democrat media complex and the Democrats in general are very afraid of mentioning the Obamacare mandate at this time. Very, very afraid. Breaking the news to their civilians is something they’re going to have to orchestrate carefully.

    Comment by Hanover — December 20, 2017 @ 10:14 am - December 20, 2017

  2. Ugly, white liberal women caroling for higher taxes. That is pathetic.

    Comment by Pawfurbehr — December 20, 2017 @ 10:37 am - December 20, 2017

  3. The Democrats seem to have two messages today:

    1. “It’s outrageous that Republicans are taking money away from the Government to give to the rich.”

    2. “It’s outrageous that rich people in blue states will pay more under the Republican tax plan.”

    Comment by V the K — December 20, 2017 @ 10:37 am - December 20, 2017

  4. Nancy screaming about how this was the worst bill ever passed in American history seems to have forgotten about things like the Chinese Exclusion Act and The Fugitive Slave Act….

    Comment by runningrn — December 20, 2017 @ 11:41 am - December 20, 2017

  5. Out there in Trump Derangement Syndrome territory, the rhetoric has gone into hyper-warp hyperbole.

    Recently, Gas Cas begrudgingly noted that the conservatives were feeling their oats. To my memory, that was the first crack in the mother superior elitism ever evidenced from the Gas Cas.

    The point is, the DemonizingRats have lost their bullying rights and now they find themselves with their empty hot air balloons suffocating them.

    Remember when the DemonizingRats loved up Occupy Wall Street dystopians; when they went after “hate speech” while ignoring free speech: when they fought poverty with taxation, regulation and the plantation system; when they ignored “antifa” and when they used state-enforced atheism to diminish the freedom of religion?

    So, when the DemozingRats go to their tool chest, what do they find? Demonization, division, deception, villainy, corruption, degeneracy, political prostitution, profligacy, iniquity and venality.

    What does one build with those tools?

    More importantly, upon what foundation do the DemonizingRats stand? The “general welfare” and taxation and political control. Statism. Having the contents of the US Treasury pass through their hands so they can skim off the top.

    The DemonizingRats are “a-ethical” in that they have made an art out of telling everyone what all “must” do, but they totally ignore the whole concept of “ought” when it comes to themselves. Being Trotskyites, they emulate Trotsky: “Bureaucracy and social harmony are inversely proportional to each other.” “There is no justice in bureaucracy for the individual, for bureaucracy caters only to itself.” “When the lines are very long, it is necessary to appoint a policeman to keep order. “(The Bureaucracy) knows who is to get something and who has to wait.”

    And, importantly: “Without a correct strategy the victory is impossible. But even the most correct strategy cannot give the victory under unfavorable objective conditions.”

    Trotsky clearly understood the statist who is hooked on “pure” socialism: “You may not be interested in strategy, but strategy is interested in you.”

    The DemonizingRats have given in to perniciousness and manipulation. If they fall to merely being the opposition, they have to oppose everything, because they have no interest in improving the status quo. For them, compromise means the DemonizingRat’s way or the highway.

    For the DemonizingRats, President Donald J. Trump and the Republican majority Congress have become Trotsky’s “unfavorable objective conditions.”

    How are the DemonizingRats going to drive up the “victim misery index” to the overthrow level? The DemonizingRat palace coup is shredding and their much needed control of the Department of Justice and the FBI is getting a heavy dose of sunlight.

    Comment by Heliotrope — December 20, 2017 @ 6:50 pm - December 20, 2017

  6. Nailed it, Heliotrope.

    What you’re seeing is the shock, rage and increasing panic of a spoiled child or an abuser that realizes their tantrums and manipulations are being ignored — and worse, that people are starting to openly mock them.

    Hold onto your hats. The Democrats are going to dial the rage meter up to eleventy, and them and they and their increasingly-desperate syncophants are going to be making even more outrageous and dangerous statements and actions.

    Trump is very aware that he won for two reasons — one, it was clear that he didn’t hate average, everyday, normal Americans, and two, it was clear that Hillary did. And he is also aware that he has liberals so ready to rage-stroke at his every word that he can lead them by the nose anywhere he wants them to go.

    Which, I am beginning to believe, is completely Trump’s point — and which has started to sink into the thick skulls of the Republican Party as well: the more insane you make liberals, the less able they are to conceal their contempt and their hatred, and the more likely that it will spill out in public, right in front of the voters.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — December 20, 2017 @ 8:09 pm - December 20, 2017

  7. Wow, you have drunk the Conservative Kool-Aid – or don’t you care about deficits any more? Guarantee if a Democrat proposed massive deficit increases you would be shrieking.
    Absolutely classic to call women you don’t agree with ugly. Nice respect for women. Yup, classy!

    Comment by Kay — December 20, 2017 @ 10:57 pm - December 20, 2017

  8. It’s political events like this that convince me that at an existential-level they don’t believe a word that passes their lips. Pelosi, Schumer, etal just turn their brains-off and let the political rhetoric flow-forth unexamined and unexpurged from the Reptile sub-cortex. It’s like a cat; no one knows how they purr, don’t care why, it happens. …And even the cat is puzzled, “…What? That was me? D*MN…”

    Comment by Ted B. (Charging Rhino) — December 21, 2017 @ 1:09 am - December 21, 2017

  9. Hi all,
    I read the comments–the best you can do is take satisfaction in the fact that a bunch of libruls are crying because they realize that it will basically add to the deficit without doing what it purportedly intends to do, and cut future possibilities for things like, um, infrastructure spending. Or that it is an intellectually bankrupt exercise that doesn’t address the aims for tax reform that Republicans have said have been important to them for years. Or, that from an economic point of view, that the tax bill is a stinker that will accelerate the likelihood of a recession in the next couple of years.

    it was clear that he didn’t hate average, everyday, normal Americans

    And North Dallas Thirty, I agree with you. Why would Trump hate many average Americans? He loves many average Americans; nothing is sweeter and more lovely to fleece and eat than many average Americans that voted to allow him to give himself very large tax cuts that he will put to good personal use. Of course he loves many average, everyday, normal Americans! Except for the many average, everyday, normal Americans that disagree with and protest what he and others he supports do, of course.

    Comment by Cas — December 21, 2017 @ 1:44 am - December 21, 2017

  10. If your leftist friends tell you tax cuts are bad, tell them they can resist by paying MORE taxes next year, I’m sure the government will be happy to take their money.

    Comment by mn scorpio — December 21, 2017 @ 6:50 am - December 21, 2017

  11. Here comes Cas Claws, here comes Cas Claws right down Talking Points Lane.
    Jawin’ and walkin’ and squawkin’ like Cas Claws has mastered the game
    The tax bill’s known to Cas Claws alone, who is oh, so very bright
    So roll over dead and cover your head, ’cause Cas Claws has set us right.

    Here are the George Soros funded Talking Points which are cocaine to all lefties:

    1. It significantly cuts taxes for people in the top income brackets.

    2. It significantly raises taxes taxes on people making less than $30,000 a year.

    3. It adds $1.4 trillion to the federal deficit.

    4. It knocks 13 million people off health insurance.

    5. It has a “harmful impact” on low-income Americans.

    6. By 2019, those earning less than $30,000 a year will see their taxes rise.

    7. By 2021, those earning $40,000 or less will see a tax hike.

    8. By 2027, most people earning $75,000 a year or less will have to pay higher taxes.

    9. People earning more than $100,000 a year will see the biggest benefit over time.

    These talking point “assumptions” are based on the assumption that the tax cuts will expire in 10 years. Where such an assumption is grounded is unknown.

    The bill provides a 20% small business deduction for businesses earning less than $500,000 per year.

    There is no-relief to the top 1% with incomes of $500,000 and above. However, leftists claim the corporations as the highest income earners and therefore include the cut on corporate taxes from 40% to 21% as a huge tax cut for the rich.

    The leftists make their “assumptions” as holy writ, but they do not permit “assumptions” of economic growth, higher employment, greater investment, etc. to be considered.

    Typically, Cas Claws wants to get down in the weeds of the talking points and do the old rope-a-dope about proving a negative and “if this, then that” routine.

    As usual, Cas Claws is here strutting knowledge on the specifics of a bill which has yet to be signed into law, let alone studied and parsed by the many parties who will go over it with a fine toothed comb looking for advantages and discrepancies.

    How does Cas Claws do it? Easy. Talking points. George Soros useful idiot talking points.

    Comment by Heliotrope — December 21, 2017 @ 8:51 am - December 21, 2017

  12. In #11 I wrote:

    These talking point “assumptions” are based on the assumption that the tax cuts will expire in 10 years. Where such an assumption is grounded is unknown.

    My bad. Congressional budget rules cause the tax cuts to expire after 10 years: 2017. At that point, the Congress will have to drop them or adjust them or reinstate them.

    The primary difference between leftists and rest of us is that leftists see everything as “community” property. We the sheeple are permitted to have a certain dominion over some of it temporarily.

    So, a tax cut is the government letting people have more money instead of the government spending it. Your business is a public accommodation. Those who can’t or don’t work are automatically wards of the state and paid for by those who can and will work through a money transfer called taxation.

    Arguing against the basic assumptions of a leftist is impossible if the leftist does no agree to put the leftist’s assumptions into the mix.

    Comment by Heliotrope — December 21, 2017 @ 9:39 am - December 21, 2017

  13. It’s the end of the world as we know it…and I feel fine.

    Comment by RSG — December 21, 2017 @ 9:55 am - December 21, 2017

  14. Kay (#7), in my mind, Hillary’s ugliness is her hatred, anger, and demeaning manner in which she treats all those under her.

    I am disturbed about the addition to the deficit, although I note that the figure is the estimate for a ten year total, while Pres. O had additions of 2/3 that amount a year for several of his years–and not just the initial year to handle the shock of the housing bubble’s bursting.

    Anyway, there will be time to fix the bill when (okay, if) the political atmosphere improves.

    Comment by TheQuietMan — December 21, 2017 @ 10:02 am - December 21, 2017

  15. Wow, you have drunk the Conservative Kool-Aid – or don’t you care about deficits any more?

    Why should we? You screamed they were great when your god-king Obama ran them.

    http://www.factcheck.org/2012/09/obamas-deficit-dodge/

    Oh, and that was for “stimulus” — where you claimed giving money to corporations and wealthy people created jobs.

    Now you’re shrieking tax cuts that give money to corporations and wealthy people don’t create jobs.

    I’m starting to question your veracity at this point.

    And then we come to this:

    Absolutely classic to call women you don’t agree with ugly. Nice respect for women. Yup, classy!

    Comment by Kay — December 20, 2017 @ 10:57 pm – December 20, 2017

    Why not? You clap and applaud when your Democrat leaders do it.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-sarah-huckabee-sanders-trump-20171128-story.html

    Seems like you have a problem with following your own rules, Kay. Seems like you demand others do what you won’t.

    We’ll put up with that if you admit that conservatives have superior morals and should treat women better, while liberals are nothing but trash and treat women like crap.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — December 21, 2017 @ 6:17 pm - December 21, 2017

  16. And North Dallas Thirty, I agree with you. Why would Trump hate many average Americans? He loves many average Americans; nothing is sweeter and more lovely to fleece and eat than many average Americans that voted to allow him to give himself very large tax cuts that he will put to good personal use. Of course he loves many average, everyday, normal Americans! Except for the many average, everyday, normal Americans that disagree with and protest what he and others he supports do, of course.

    Comment by Cas — December 21, 2017 @ 1:44 am – December 21, 2017

    Ah, silly malicious Piss Cas.

    You are mad because tax cuts mean two things:

    – People who earn their money get to keep it

    – People like you who want to steal others’ money are stripped of the capability to do it.

    I love your attempt to lie about “infrastructure”, Piss Cas. Your Obama spent a trillion dollars on “infrastructure”, and what did it create?

    Nothing.

    https://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/15/obama-lesson-shovel-ready-not-so-ready/

    That is because, Piss Cas, Obama’s “stimulus” had nothing to do with infrastructure. It had everything to do with your wet dream of taking away from the productive and spending it on purchasing Democrat votes through welfare. Indeed, your stupid Obama Party admitted flat out that “stimulus” should not go to “burly men”.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/no-country-for-burly-men/article/17737

    You have already stated here that your sole goal is that government redistribute wealth in this country. You have no intention of actually using tax dollars for infrastructure; you want government to take from others and give to you.

    That is why we laugh at you, Piss Cas. You pretend to be “intellectual”, but you cannot care for yourself, feed yourself, find a job, purchase your own housing, select your own insurance, or make any type of life decision without the government telling you how to do it. Indeed, as the Obama Party admitted, even 26-year-old Democrats like you are no better than children, helpless dependents on their parents who have to be shielded and protected from any and all adult responsibilities.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — December 21, 2017 @ 6:29 pm - December 21, 2017

  17. Cas, lighten the **** up and have a Beary Christmas!

    https://i.redd.it/g9h2ikfgupmx.jpg

    Comment by pawfurbehr — December 21, 2017 @ 9:22 pm - December 21, 2017

  18. Hi pawfurbehr,
    Thanks mate! I would love to do that. Could you ask North Dallas Thirty to do the same?

    And North Dallas Thirty,
    I made three points as to why this tax bill is bad news. And you avoid dealing with these. All your insults and misdirection cannot change that, mate. Don’t worry, you are in good company here. And as for the average, normal, everyday Americans that you mention–a good many of them do not like this tax bill. Whether you like it or not, the bill has been painted very successfully as being a giveaway to the wealthy that will do little to help the country at large whilst increasing income inequality, endangering the longevity of the welfare net that average, normal, everyday Americans really like using, as well as adding 1.4 trillion + to the lovely much larger deficits that we are accumulating and will add to–under Republican leadership. The fact that it is also a lousy bit of legislation doesn’t hurt that effort one iota. It makes the ACA look popular when it was first adopted. You and yours are whistling past the graveyard.

    Comment by Cas — December 22, 2017 @ 1:06 am - December 22, 2017

  19. Cas Claws @ #18:

    And as for the average, normal, everyday Americans that you mention–a good many of them do not like this tax bill.

    Granted, “a good many of them” is a useless measure, but most of them are not paying any attention to the tax bill at all. So, a good many of the small number who are paying attention is even smaller.

    the bill has been painted very successfully as being a giveaway to the wealthy that will do little to help the country at large

    We are fighting that “very successfully” battle now. But, it is three days until Christmas and by the time the new year rolls around, the tax bill hoopla will be “so yesterday.” Timing, dear Cas Claws is not on the liberal’s side.

    larger deficits that we are accumulating

    There you go again, Cas Claws. You are not part of the “we” and yet you continue to infer that you are. Sad.

    As to….. “being a giveaway to the wealthy that will do little to help the country at large”……”increasing income inequality”…..”endangering the longevity of the welfare net”…..”adding 1.4 trillion + to the lovely much larger deficits”…..you will just have to babble your talking points until actual facts substantiate your prognostications.

    Cas Claws, your core problem is that you hate capitalism so much in your marriage with Utopian socialism that you have become ideologically blinded.

    Comment by Heliotrope — December 22, 2017 @ 9:00 am - December 22, 2017

  20. As usual, when humiliated, Piss Cas starts screaming and flinging poo — and in the process making itself look like even more of an idiot.

    I made three points as to why this tax bill is bad news. And you avoid dealing with these. All your insults and misdirection cannot change that, mate. Don’t worry, you are in good company here.

    Let me repost those “three points” with particular emphasis to specific words.

    I read the comments–the best you can do is take satisfaction in the fact that a bunch of libruls are crying because they realize that it will basically add to the deficit without doing what it purportedly intends to do, and cut future possibilities for things like, um, infrastructure spending. Or that it is an intellectually bankrupt exercise that doesn’t address the aims for tax reform that Republicans have said have been important to them for years. Or, that from an economic point of view, that the tax bill is a stinker that will accelerate the likelihood of a recession in the next couple of years.

    So, Piss Cas, since you are clearly uneducated and inferior to me in both degrees and intelligence, I will explain something to you. Pay attention, so that perhaps you can escape welfare someday.

    First, “will” indicates future tense — which to the educated is used in describing events that have not happened yet.

    By definition, an event that has not happened yet cannot be taken as fact. And yet you screamed that you laid out “facts”.

    This shows your mental deficiency, Piss Cas. As is the case with most liberals, you cannot differentiate your ideology from reality. Your bias and lack of rational or logical thought means that you consider your dire predictions of the future to be equivalent to facts or relevant points. This explains, for example, why liberals like yourself so often end up on welfare or in need of bailouts for your student loans and housing, because you overestimate your earnings capabilities due to your utter inability to separate your fantasies from real life and spend accordingly.

    The reason you do this in this case, of course, is threefold. One is that you simply are that ignorant. Second, to compound the problem, you are a childish, malignant liar who will say anything to get a response. The last is that since your statements were illogically arrived at, it is impossible to provide a logical response to them. One could just as easily say that, contra to your statements, the tax bill will decrease the likelihood of a recession, and be just as factual. You are demanding people argue with irrelevant phantasms and your wild speculations, which is why the vast majority will not bother.

    As for your attempt to say that this doesn’t address the aims of tax reform, that is easily managed by pointing out, again, that you are a malicious and malignant liar, someone who already has on this website accused people like V the K of pedophilia in order to win an argument. Therefore, nothing you say can be taken in good faith, nor is it in any way to be considered meaningfully reflective of what Republicans actually do, believe or say.

    And this last was my favorite:

    “Whether you like it or not, the bill has been painted very successfully”

    That simply reiterates the point, Piss Cas.

    You and your fellow Democrats are not doing this out of any sense of objectivity or evaluation.

    You are simply screaming, slandering, lying and throwing a tantrum out of spite.

    You don’t know what this tax bill does. You don’t know how it benefits people. All you know is that you don’t like it because you hate Donald Trump and you hate Republicans.

    You admit your entire post is a smokescreen, propaganda, slurs and slander.

    And THAT is why you are irrelevant.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — December 22, 2017 @ 12:55 pm - December 22, 2017

  21. Hi North Dallas Thirty,
    First off, I want to acknowledge your superiority of intellect and the awesomeness of your degrees. But that is not a rational argument in support of your claim. Which is what, exactly? Oh yes–that I am a bad person, and … well, what?

    Oh yes, you think that my using the word “will” is somehow a winning argument. This must be a function of advanced degrees, because I have no idea what you are talking about. I think if Republicans talk of how these tax changes “will” do all kinds of awesome things, as you do–I mean you do believe that these tax changes “will” be good for the economy, right? What is the difference between you saying “will” and someone else with whom you disagree politically, saying “will” in disagreement with you? None. Except that I have offered rational economic arguments in support of my claim, and you don’t want to do so. As I said before, you are not alone in doing this–no one here is interested in that path. And that silence says ALOT.

    Now for some fun. What about those deficits, North Dallas Thirty?–not the trillion and a half everyone is talking about (and which is a smokescreen), but the 5 – 6 trillion or so, we will also be building up under Republican rulership over the next ten years–at current spending/taxing? And what about the assumption that it will all be financeable because interest rates won’t change to do that? What do you think of them apples, North Dallas Thirty? Because that sounds like utter BS to me–don’t you agree that assumption is nonsense? That it makes sense instead that interest rates will be going higher (much higher), and that financing that debt is going to get a whole lot harder in the future? Just one point, but we can agree on that, right North Dallas Thirty? Given that you are an intelligent and learned man, what is the implication of that little event, North Dallas Thirty? It ain’t good, that is for sure!

    Feel free to continue insulting me, sport, and to avoid engaging on the topic. I enjoy your passion and imagination. But the lack of a rational reply in return says more about the paucity of your position (and those who copy you) than it does about anything else.

    Comment by Cas — December 23, 2017 @ 12:57 am - December 23, 2017

  22. And the malicious, spiteful child Piss Cas, as is typical when cornered, tries its most hilarious poo-flinging tactic.

    Except that I have offered rational economic arguments in support of my claim, and you don’t want to do so. As I said before, you are not alone in doing this–no one here is interested in that path. And that silence says ALOT. …….But the lack of a rational reply in return says more about the paucity of your position (and those who copy you) than it does about anything else.

    Ah yes, “rational response”.

    So let’s test how rational the child Piss Cas is.

    What is Piss Cas’s assertion?

    What about those deficits, North Dallas Thirty?–not the trillion and a half everyone is talking about (and which is a smokescreen), but the 5 – 6 trillion or so, we will also be building up under Republican rulership over the next ten years–at current spending/taxing?

    So let’s do a little math.

    5-6 trillion over 10 years is a deficit of $500 bn to $600 bn.

    Now here’s a chart of Obama’s deficits from the left-wing Mercatus Center, which Piss Cas screamed were no problem whatsoever and in fact were necessary for growth.

    https://www.mercatus.org/publications/debt-and-deficit-under-obama-administration

    Note how only two years of Piss Cas’s Obama were underneath this threshold of destruction where Piss Cas screams the economy will collapse — and in fact, given Piss Cas’s math, the economy should have collapsed under Obama in the first YEAR of his deficits.

    Also remember the hilarity of this: Piss Cas has SCREAMED that increased government spending — which is what deficits represent, after all — always creates jobs and drives economic growth.

    So what Piss Cas is doing is screaming that tax cuts, which Piss Cas claims count as “government spending”, violate Piss Cas’s own rule that government spending always creates jobs and violates economic growth.

    And thus the perfect demonstration that Piss Cas is not making “rational points” — because a rational argument does not constantly contradict itself.

    That demonstrates that Piss Cas is not arguing rationally. And we know that. Piss Cas is a malicious thief and malevolent liar who believes government should confiscate and “redistribute” all wealth. The reason tax cuts are anathema to leftists like Piss Cas is because it reduces the power of the government to confiscate and reduces the likelihood that Piss Cas will be able to steal wealth from others. Hence, Piss Cas will say anything to stop tax cuts, even if it means Piss Cas completely contradicts its own rhetoric that deficits are good and that government spending is the sole driver of economic growth.

    And finally, that demonstrates that yes, I AM superior to Piss Cas. I not only have degrees, I can think — and I can hold a job, pay my bills and deserve to keep my own money.

    When Piss Cas can separate itself from its “parent” in the welfare state, then it may be worthy to be treated as an adult.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — December 23, 2017 @ 9:01 am - December 23, 2017

  23. And also, since I feel generous this morning, let’s demonnstrate again how the stupid and spiteful child Piss Cas is so easily caught in its own lies and spin.

    For example, one of the tactics being used by the Democrats like Piss Cas is that screaming a tax cut is so small that it’s meaningless. They snidely state a tax cut of $40/week is meaningless and doesn’t matter to a family.

    And then intelligent adults drop the bomb on them.

    https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2011/12/22/president-obama-discusses-what-40-means-americans-families

    So there we have Piss Cas’s leader Obama in the flesh stating that without cutting peoples’ taxes $40/week, families will starve, lose health care, etc.

    So again, we have Piss Cas and the Democrat Party screaming that tax cuts cause death and economic destruction, just after Piss Cas and the Democrat Party screamed that not cutting taxes causes economic destruction and death.

    Now watch as Piss Cas squeals and cries about namecalling and not engaging in a desperate attempt to spin away from the FACTS, it’s references, that I provided.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — December 23, 2017 @ 10:50 am - December 23, 2017

  24. Hi North Dallas Thirty,
    Thanks for the replies. It is hard to figure out the argument you are making here–deficits under Obama were bad, which is something you have said constantly, but that deficits under Trump et al will be what… exactly? Good? Bad? Meh? And no argument as to why that might now be the case, in this economy. I looked at your Mercatus link–why no worry North Dallas Thirty? Obama had the “excuse” of the worst economic times since the Great Depression to do some old fashioned pump priming. What is your excuse for this current state of affairs under Trump?

    I still look for an argument–a positive argument from you–in support of this current monstrosity. Can you make one? Or are you only able to insult and dissemble? Because, if that is the case, you are making my argument as to the lack of seriousness and coherence on your side.

    I noticed that you didn’t touch the interest rate questions I raised about the assumptions you and others here apparently accept without question. You think that’s air that you’re breathing now? Hmm.

    Out of curiosity, what are your advanced degrees and what fields are they in? Genuine curiosity.

    Comment by Cas — December 23, 2017 @ 11:46 am - December 23, 2017

  25. And once again, the childish Piss Cas throws another screaming tantrum and fit trying to get in the last word.

    It is hard to figure out the argument you are making here

    Not for intelligent, rational people. That’s why you are failing to grasp it — because you are neither intelligent or rational, and you are incapable of understanding even basic facts.

    Case in point, a trap I set that the childish and stupid Piss Cas walks right into.

    Obama had the “excuse” of the worst economic times since the Great Depression to do some old fashioned pump priming. What is your excuse for this current state of affairs under Trump?

    Because, Piss Cas, you and yours have been shrieking that the economy under Trump is terrible, that unemployment as higher and GDP is lower than it was under Obama.

    Were you lying, Piss Cas? Please state for the record that there is no need for “pump priming” because, under Trump, our GDP is better and our unemployment is lower than it was under Barack Obama.

    This is why you are so easy to manipulate, Piss Cas. You simply don’t have the mental capability to think beyond jersey color. You defend everything that Democrats do and attack everything that Republicans do. Hence, all I had to do was set up a situation for you to denounce your own rhetoric by using Obama as bait.

    And then this hilarious wailing and arms-flinging:

    I noticed that you didn’t touch the interest rate questions I raised about the assumptions you and others here apparently accept without question.

    You mean this?

    And what about the assumption that it will all be financeable because interest rates won’t change to do that?

    Because what about it, Cas? There’s no reason for any of us to chase down an assumption that YOU made up — notice how there are no links, no quotes, no evidence of any sort — out of a desperate attempt to smear Republicans.

    Heliotrope nailed your tactic right up here:

    Typically, Cas Claws wants to get down in the weeds of the talking points and do the old rope-a-dope about proving a negative and “if this, then that” routine.

    This is typical of your malicious and abusive behavior, just like when you and your CrayCray accused V the K of pedophilia out of rage and an attempt to get the last word.

    That showed everyone here beautifully who you are and what you believe. And it’s why you are so desperate for attention that you’re trolling other threads trying to bait and slur others into answering you.

    Speaking of which, we come to the last:

    Out of curiosity, what are your advanced degrees and what fields are they in? Genuine curiosity.

    Nope. Remember what Heliotrope said?

    Typically, Cas Claws wants to get down in the weeds of the talking points and do the old rope-a-dope about proving a negative and “if this, then that” routine.

    The people here know. The only one who doesn’t is you. And that’s why they and I are going to laugh uproariously as you attempt your spin of “you won’t answer so you must be lying”.

    You think we don’t know your game by now, Piss Cas? The hilarity to us is that, despite being one of our most persistent trolls, you are no more intelligent in your arguments now than the day you arrived.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — December 23, 2017 @ 3:01 pm - December 23, 2017

  26. Hi North Dallas Thirty,
    Are you seriously reduced to arguing that the assumption that your side is making about unchanging interest rates is mine? Wow. You have had to have heard of the concept of “crowding out.” Apply it. I loved this quote by the way:

    Because, Piss Cas, you … have been shrieking that the economy under Trump is terrible, that unemployment as higher and GDP is lower than it was under Obama.

    When you make stuff up like this, deny, the assumptions that your side needs in order to get the fabulous rates of growth it promises, and are unwilling to make the positive case for these tax changes, it makes you look weak.

    As you have made clear, you are too intelligent and too educated not to be able to make that positive case. And I get your reticence. I don’t think you are lying, North Dallas Thirty. You are clearly too embarrassed to do the work. I would be as well and I wouldn’t want to defend this monstrosity either–it flies in the face of consensus economic analysis, conservative principles, AND conservative intellectual argument made over the last twenty years concerning what “tax reform” should look like. And plenty of conservatives think the same–and you can find your own links for that!

    Comment by Cas — December 23, 2017 @ 7:49 pm - December 23, 2017

  27. And here we see how the manipulative and desperate child frantically reaches into its ass to find more poo to throw.

    Are you seriously reduced to arguing that the assumption that your side is making about unchanging interest rates is mine?

    There’s nothing “reduced to” at all about it, Piss Cas.

    Not only did I call you on your shit, I smeared it in your face. Your only response is to scream that calling you out on your lies is somehow beneath me, which is manipulative at best and laughable beyond belief.

    Meanwhile, screaming brat Piss Cas, “your side” is yelling at the top of its lungs that this tax bill will cause the end of the world and death of everyone in it.

    And I have it in print, proof of it.

    Flanked by other top Democrats in the Capitol, the minority leader blasted Republicans for championing a tax proposal she equated to “the end of the world.”

    And, as quoted above:

    “The debate on health care is like death,” Pelosi said. “This is armageddon.”

    http://thehill.com/homenews/house/363238-pelosi-denounces-gop-tax-reform-as-armageddon

    This is how utterly stupid and unhinged you and your fellow liberals are, Piss Cas. You are screaming that tax cuts will destroy the planet and all life in it. You and your Pelosi and the rest of the Democrat Party are shrieking that Republicans are murderers if taxes are cut one fraction of one inch.

    That is why you are desperately making fake statements up to try to slander Republicans. You are patently insane. You and your fellow Democrats have so lost your minds and your grip on reality over Trump’s election that you are equating legislative bills with Armageddon and screaming that lowering taxes one fraction will cause mass deaths and murder.

    That makes this projection all the more hilarious.

    As you have made clear, you are too intelligent and too educated not to be able to make that positive case. And I get your reticence. I don’t think you are lying, North Dallas Thirty. You are clearly too embarrassed to do the work.

    No, Piss Cas.

    The reason is that I just proved you are a deluded, childish idiot who is shrieking that tax cuts cause the end of the world and that all tax cuts are murder.

    You are desperately projecting the fact that you are toast. You have no defense for your idiotic statement that tax cuts are murder and your ranting that tax cuts cause Armageddon, so your only hope is to throw up idiotic assumptions to obfuscate and obscure the insane statements you and your fellow Democrats are making.

    It’s just like when you and CrayCray screamed V the K was a pedophile. At this point, you have nothing left but incoherent gibberish and are desperately trying to save face, so you lob wild accusations and end up making yourself look even more like idiots.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — December 23, 2017 @ 9:45 pm - December 23, 2017

  28. Hi North Dallas Thirty,
    As I asked before, what are your advanced degrees and what fields are they in? I am genuinely curious about that.

    Anyway–I read your reply. I looked in vain for anything that looked like an argument related to what I had written. You apparently like to smear feces on faces. That is your argument? OK. Most people would find that rather childish, but as long as you don’t hurt anyone else, have at it. I think its a tad odd though.

    So, I make “fake” statements? Hmm. How would you know big boy? And, I note the way that you talk about “the end of the world.” OK, I think we are likely headed for a recession. What do you think, North Dallas Thirty? Is a recession a likely outcome in a couple of years in your opinion?

    I have noticed that you are doing your level best to NOT have an opinion on the tax changes. Yep–you don’t like them either–that is pretty clear. It must really chap your butt that you find yourself in agreement with liberals. It is OK. If you need to seriously distort what I say in order to make your own views palatable yourself than so be it–“at least they aren’t as deranged as librul views, which are just plain crazy, I can live with the fact that Republicans have squandered an historic opportunity to do something useful on taxes, but…”

    If it is any consolation, I find this sort of rhetoric unhelpful as well for rational discussion, but they are painting this tax bill as horribly as possible for political purposes. After all, they are taking a leaf out of the political book that Dems and Repubs trade off with each other in a regular fashion. Remember the ACA “death panels”? I think that libruls are taking delight in sticking its to Republicans for this mess with their own variant of that particular play. Why this irritates you so much is unclear to me. You are a sophisticated man; you know this is the way politics gets played. Why the angst when both sides do it so easily?

    And remember, North Dallas Thirty–you are not catching me in lies when you conflate me with what others say. Use my words if you like, but it is an ignorant thing to look at an individual and “smear” him or her with the words of others that may not fit.

    Comment by Cas — December 24, 2017 @ 1:35 am - December 24, 2017

  29. Cas Claws has no response for what I commented @ #19:

    As to….. “being a giveaway to the wealthy that will do little to help the country at large”……”increasing income inequality”…..”endangering the longevity of the welfare net”…..”adding 1.4 trillion + to the lovely much larger deficits”…..you will just have to babble your talking points until actual facts substantiate your prognostications.

    And no response is the only recourse, because the Cas Claws talking points are based on a bill Cas Claws has not read and an economic future of doom and gloom which is merely talking points hyperbole.

    So, now Cas Claws predicts a recession somewhere down the road. Get it? Somewhere, somehow, Cas Claws has heard that the Trump tax plan would end all recessions and bring perfect economic “equality” and stop the rise in the oceans, mosquitoes from biting and banish acne and turn farts to the scent of roses and the morning dew.

    Cas Claws can take a burned out lightbulb and turn it into the holocaust and the collision of solar systems and how mere socialism would save specie extinction over night. Hard to argue with that, you know. You would be better off in a homeless camp planning for taking over Wall Street.

    Poor dear Cas Claws. Selling a dream to non-believers is so brave and so “rational.” And it is particularly tough when the dream is shattering all around you and people like The Donald are mocking you.

    Merry Christmas. Jesus is the reason for the season and He brought a message to the world which stirred unimaginable forces to act upon His simple themes of morality, virtue, and love. Socialism believes that the Government managed community is virtuous and morality and love are ephemeral. It is, after all, all about the love for money and how the money is distributed. Try to find Jesus in that. You can’t. Jesus is “s-o-o-o-o yesterday” in the world of the clockwork measurements of socialism. Cas Claws is a true-believer in that dystopian horse shit and, therefore, doomed.

    Comment by Heliotrope — December 24, 2017 @ 9:07 am - December 24, 2017

  30. And once again, the screaming child Piss Cas tries to get the last word, ending up smearing its own poo into its hair in the process.

    Anyway–I read your reply. I looked in vain for anything that looked like an argument related to what I had written.

    Of course, Piss Cas.

    That’s for two reasons — one, you are spectacularly dense and unable to recognize logic and rationality, and two, you’re a malicious and malignant liar who wouldn’t acknowledge it anyway.

    You’ve already admitted you’re only here to troll and incite and antagonize, Piss Cas. And the more I bait you, the more you take the bait and demonstrate your utter lack of good faith and your total obsession with malice.

    Moreover, at this point, you are so enraged and so desperate, you don’t even recognize how stupid you’re making yourself look.

    Case in point:

    I have noticed that you are doing your level best to NOT have an opinion on the tax changes. Yep–you don’t like them either–that is pretty clear. It must really chap your butt that you find yourself in agreement with liberals. It is OK. If you need to seriously distort what I say in order to make your own views palatable yourself than so be it–“at least they aren’t as deranged as librul views, which are just plain crazy, I can live with the fact that Republicans have squandered an historic opportunity to do something useful on taxes, but…”

    Of course, this is after you just shrieked:

    So, I make “fake” statements? Hmm. How would you know big boy?

    So there we have Piss Cas accusing other people of putting words in its mouth…….just before it goes and puts words in other peoples’ mouths, insisting that it knows what they’re thinking and demanding that they prove it’s wrong.

    Just as Heliotrope stated, to which Piss Cas cannot respond:

    Typically, Cas Claws wants to get down in the weeds of the talking points and do the old rope-a-dope about proving a negative and “if this, then that” routine.

    Which is because, as Heliotrope also pointed out:

    And no response is the only recourse, because the Cas Claws talking points are based on a bill Cas Claws has not read and an economic future of doom and gloom which is merely talking points hyperbole.

    We also must add to that the zealot component. Piss Cas, as has been demonstrated, is severely emotionally and intellectually stunted. Piss Cas has never been exposed to anything in whatever laughable “education” it has had that would in any way contradict leftist principles. Piss Cas has never actually read, reviewed or been exposed in any way to anything that would contradict or question its leftist doctrine unless it was to mock it and proclaim it automatically wrong.

    To be as poetic as Heliotrope, Piss Cas’s understanding is equivalent to Nazis claiming they were experts in Judaism because they had burned lots of synagogues.

    Hence, Heliotrope again is right. Piss Cas sees itself as the noble white person sent to “civilize” us savages, the plantation owner meant to teach us how to behave and bow correctly to white massa Piss Cas. And, like those examples from history, Piss Cas is fully imbued with a false sense of its own superiority, a deluded belief in its own understanding, and an overarching contempt and hatred that turns its benevolence into abuse and cruelty when said savages become obstreperous.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — December 24, 2017 @ 12:11 pm - December 24, 2017

  31. Hi North Dallas Thirty,
    Happy Xmas by the way! 🙂

    And the argument? Hmmm–You are a bad person Cas. Again–that is it? As I said–you and others cannot defend the tax changes those you support passed–in your name. Thus:

    You are clearly too embarrassed to do the work. I would be as well and I wouldn’t want to defend this monstrosity either–it flies in the face of consensus economic analysis, conservative principles, AND conservative intellectual argument made over the last twenty years concerning what “tax reform” should look like.

    I feel for you and admire you, North Dallas Thirty. Your approach is uncompromising–like a Mako shark. I was serious about that–you are a true predator. A long time ago, you stumbled onto a mode of discourse that you found worked against people you disagreed with. It served several purposes that you liked. First, it requires less energy to do what you do than to actually deeply engage people you disagree with. You probably found them unreceptive to your views and decided it was a waste of your time to engage them, except on a superficial level. Maybe they areally hurt your feelings as a younger man. Second, insulting people and using illogical argument techniques puts them off intellectually, making it harder for them to respond rationally to you and also makes it easier for you and others to dismiss them and their points when they “retaliate” in kind. That just feeds you and makes your points for you. Third, you get off on doing it because you think it makes you feel stronger. It is fun! You have always been a consistent presence on this website from the first moment that I stumbled into you and wondered what I had got myself in for! 🙂

    The downside is that there is no long term intellectual growth for you in this and you are likely pretty bored. Its a creeping one-dimensionality–in the old days we would have the insults but we would also argue and trade relevant statistics–you would get me to recognize I got something wrong in the statistics–good times. Now, I don’t even see that in the comments you offer, even against other libruls. But you have the camaraderie of those who agree with you and I guess that is enough for you. As far as I can tell, you see yourself as a good friend and you willingly put yourself in harms way to protect those who aren’t as good at dodging liberal intellectual traps. But you aren’t putting those advanced degrees you proudly (yet obscuringly) speak of to do any work.

    Once again, Merry Xmas. May you have many blessings this coming year.

    Hi Heliotrope,
    Since you wished me a Merry Xmas–the same right back at you. I hope that life is good for you and yours in the coming year

    Comment by Cas — December 24, 2017 @ 4:20 pm - December 24, 2017

  32. And the tantrum-throwing child Piss Cas sits there with its latest bits of word vomit down the front of its shirt, purple with rage and trembling fists clenched.

    While we all continue to laugh.

    You say you want to argue statistics? Then as Heliotrope wittily and contemptuously pointed out to you, come with statistics, instead of warmed-over Democrat talking points, outright lies, and fevered assumptions that you just made up and demand we “refute”.

    But of course, you can’t and you won’t. That is because both you and your alter-ego CrayCray have learned through repeated humiliating experiences that you simply don’t have the intellectual firepower to actually argue intelligently when someone can actually evaluate your sources, your math, and other fixed elements. If someone actually calls you on your talking points and presents a logical and reasoned counter, you have nothing.

    And hence you word-vomit. You can’t win through intellect, so you try to maliciously manipulate the fact that conservatives, UNLIKE liberals, are intellectually curious, more than versed on many topics in liberal thought, and, as Socrates put it, well aware that true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.

    Hence, your diatribe — a witch’s brew of aspersions about my beliefs, Soviet-esque armchair psychoanalysis about my mental state, maudlin pretense about how you care about us, and wild attempts to dredge up fevered hallucinations of interactions past. All of which are designed with only one purpose in mind — to demoralize, to attack, to beat down and to exploit all the positive attributes of conservatives, via a constant shrieking demand that others and I prove negatives about what you claim we feel, think and have.

    But, thanks to years of experience with you, I and the others here know full well that you are a malicious and malignant liar, by your own admittance only here to troll.

    Furthermore, your statements make your true intentions obvious — dripping with contempt and hatred for us, and your constant accusations that we are stupid, that we are cowards, that we are embarrassed, that we are racists, that we are murderers, that we are Nazis — making reality clear.

    You hate us. You have nothing but contempt for us, and you will not stop until we are subjugated or dead.

    Hence we treat you as what you are. A sociopath, an abuser, someone to whom other people are just things to use for their own self-aggrandizement.

    Normally in real life people avoid people like you — and here, most have decided that that’s the wisest tack. But I am more than happy to punch back at you, perhaps in the vague hope that somewhere in the recesses of your twisted psyche you may discover some small spark of self-awareness and actual empathy.

    Or perhaps I simply like doing it. 🙂

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — December 24, 2017 @ 6:21 pm - December 24, 2017

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