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Different, Not Wrong

Posted by V the K at 8:49 am - January 5, 2018.
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The Prophet and President of the Mormon Church passed away earlier this week. The New York Times’s obit focused on what was important to the people who write and read the New York Times.

Facing vociferous demands (from anti-Christian leftists and non-Mormons – ed.)  to recognize same-sex marriage, and weathering demonstrations at church headquarters by (a tiny number of attention-seeking) Mormon women pleading for the right to be ordained as priests, Mr. Monson did not bend. Teachings holding homosexuality to be immoral, bans on sexual intercourse outside male-female marriages, and an all-male priesthood would remain unaltered.

The left has no understanding of religion, and no use for it unless it advances a left-wing social agenda.

If all your entire life centers on a political agenda focused on trendy political issues, it will not be — contrary to the propaganda — a very rich and meaningful life. It is much more likely to leave you empty and miserable. People are indoctrinated to believe that supporting the right causes, that fighting for political change is the only thing that matters in life. Nothing could be further from the truth. Deception is the essence of politics, truth is the essence of religion.

By the way, an American Roman Catholic Cardinal says homosexuality is an abnormal condition and there’s nothing wrong with saying so. He’s right… homosexuality is a departure from the biological norm. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. In the words of one of my favorite songs, 너와 나 우린 달랐을 뿐 잘못되지 않았어우린 달랐을 뿐 잘못되지  (“You and I are different, but not wrong.”)

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  1. Monson: Teachings holding homosexuality to be immoral, bans on sexual intercourse outside male-female marriages, and an all-male priesthood would remain unaltered.

    V: … truth is the essence of religion.

    OK

    Comment by rusty — January 5, 2018 @ 9:18 am - January 5, 2018

  2. Personally, mind you, I wouldn’t say that homosexuality is a departure. Something that has obviously existed since the dawn of man is essentially a normal condition, albeit a minority position. But then as someone on the right I would say that everyone has the right to have their own take on any matter.

    By any account, the Mormon prophet was a kind and generous man who presided over an agenda of bringing Mormon history full circle. As far as building and rebuilding the Nauvoo Illinois Temple. As well as others around the world. Nauvoo being the place of Exodus originally that the Mormons began their Trek out west. He also presided over a doctrinal change dictating patience and tolerance toward those who are gay. Without compromising their Doctrine. Of course, none of this is common knowledge now because the gay agenda did try to take a bigger bite and ended up facing the inevitable boundaries.

    I remain convinced that the left is incapable of understanding anything on the right, let alone the Mormons.

    Comment by Hanover — January 5, 2018 @ 9:29 am - January 5, 2018

  3. Did you ever wonder if God made homosexuals to test our ability to withhold judgement or condemnation? Seems to me that HE made everything for a reason and we just don’t know why.

    Comment by Robin — January 5, 2018 @ 10:39 am - January 5, 2018

  4. Yesterday, J. R. Dunn wrote at American Thinker about the “Left” and where they stand:

    It [Leftism] is, after all, the last surviving remnant of what historian John Lukacs called the “social-nationalist” ideologies, which include fascism, Nazism, Communism, and state Shinto. Leftism is a survival of the politically diseased 20th century, remaining only due to social inertia and rabid indoctrination through education and the media.

    It may finally be coming to the end of its string. It’s a fact easily drawn from recent history that these ideologies can maintain themselves only through brutal and unrelenting coercion. Both fascism and communism ruled only through the pistol and barbed wire. Liberalism, thanks to the rule of law and the checks and balances that constitute our political system, could not resort to these resources except in limited cases that immediately provoked mass revulsion. So, unlike its brother ideologies, liberalism failed to maintain its rule over the long haul. Even though it persuaded millions – perhaps even the majority of this country’s citizenry – a large minority refused to accept it. With ideologies, anything less than total acceptance is complete failure, followed by inevitable collapse.

    Forget the label of “Conservative.” We to the right of the “Progressives” are the same classical liberals who were the founders in 1789. We are republicans who respect the constitution and the rule of law and staying focused on limiting the government to what it can best do, while we take care of each other on the local level through charity and acts of kindness.

    The Activist Left or Progressive or just capital letter Left is hell bent on dragging social issues into the government blender and reorganizing society according to government dictates. Their role models are legion: fascism, communism, Nazism, and and other form of totalitarian Utopianism.

    I agree with Dunn. The Left loathes anyone who does not share their “enlightened” view. For many on the Left, that equates to a war on stupidity, selfish greed, insensitivity and “cultish” bigotry. Actually, “Deplorables” is a pitch perfect term for those on the Left to hiss through their teeth as they seethe.

    Eventually, the Leftists will have to reach the point where they can “deal” with the Deplorables or the Leftists will lose their cause. That is where Dunn says we are now.

    If I were going to carry out the Leftist agenda, I would make certain that the Department of Justice and the FBI were on the same page with Leftism. Then I would make certain that the judges were also Leftists. I would diminish the Constitution by judging it as a document of “negative rights” and I would resurrect St. Franklin of Roosevelt’s Four Freedoms.

    In the future days, which we seek to make secure, we look forward to a world founded upon four essential human freedoms.

    The first is freedom of speech and expression—everywhere in the world.

    The second is freedom of every person to worship God in his own way—everywhere in the world.

    The third is freedom from want—which, translated into world terms, means economic understandings which will secure to every nation a healthy peacetime life for its inhabitants—everywhere in the world.

    The fourth is freedom from fear—which, translated into world terms, means a world-wide reduction of armaments to such a point and in such a thorough fashion that no nation will be in a position to commit an act of physical aggression against any neighbor—anywhere in the world.

    That is no vision of a distant millennium. It is a definite basis for a kind of world attainable in our own time and generation. That kind of world is the very antithesis of the so-called new order of tyranny which the dictators seek to create with the crash of a bomb.

    — Franklin D. Roosevelt, excerpted from the State of the Union Address to the Congress, January 6, 1941

    Think back to the Obama years and his velvet glove, revolutionary agenda. He needed a crooked Hillary to protect his inheritance and keep the revolution in the Deep State functioning.

    All of the “social-nationalist” ideologies end in world domination. Some call it globalism.

    Ask any Leftist what his end game is and if you shut up and listen, you will hear the biggest puking of non-sequiturs and psychobabble imaginable. The are so focused on what they deplore that they have no vision of their tomorrow.

    Most Leftists, however, are lazy, dyspeptic grifters who are playing the system and are largely interested in what is in it for themselves. And they want immediate results and gratification. None of this posterity crap for them.

    Trump’s populism, nationalism, traditionalism and sense of building accomplishments are anathema to the Leftists. The Trump way does not totally rely upon the nanny state and is therefore evil.

    The NYT views on the Mormon world remind me of Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Reichbishop Ludwig Müller and the Reichskirchenausschuss, RKA.

    Leftists are geared to redesign religion to suit their needs or shun objectors into oblivion through the “Stephen Colbert Method” of disdain and ridicule.

    Comment by Heliotrope — January 5, 2018 @ 10:39 am - January 5, 2018

  5. @3

    Seems to me that HE made everything for a reason and we just don’t know why.

    I’m glad to see I’m not alone to make the same assessment.

    Comment by Cyril — January 5, 2018 @ 12:01 pm - January 5, 2018

  6. @4

    Leftists are geared to redesign religion to suit their needs or shun objectors into oblivion through the “Stephen Colbert Method” of disdain and ridicule.

    Yup. That sounds about right, imo, for anyone with two eyes, two ears, and two working neurons.

    Ever since the French revolution, the left hasn’t ceased to pursue their quest of making themselves God.

    The truth is, the ungrateful, resentful, insecure little children* in adult bodies they are, have been hell bent on waging war against human nature and the natural order in general.

    They cannot accept that we (and they) are limited, flawed creatures, and yet gifted with that divine sparkle in us which allow to choose how to conduct ourselves — either right or wrong — on an individual basis and taking full responsibility for our actions, no matter what we may claim otherwise.

    They cannot accept this grace of both freedom AND responsibility we were granted — but again, on an individual basis only, or first and foremost.

    The growing individual, he or she who leaves childhood for adulthood — and remains faithful and thankful for his or her heritage of a natural society fighting chaos by order, reason, and introspection of its past.

    The left is simply stuck in a state of being alien to all of that.

    Seemingly, by choice out of irrational, resentful hubris they’ve somehow let grow out of proportion at some point in their own individual life stories — but that’s just my speculation.

    God knows.

    Comment by Cyril — January 5, 2018 @ 12:25 pm - January 5, 2018

  7. * liitle children in adult bodies

    “Little children” : to put it politely.

    Comment by Cyril — January 5, 2018 @ 12:26 pm - January 5, 2018

  8. I just want to thank V the K for this post and the article about the priest. It’s not a popular way to see homosexuality, even among gay Christians, but it’s how I try to live with my homosexuality, while not Catholic, and while occasionally giving in to my weaker side. And having this feeling about it all does not make me be in denial or suppressive of my true self. If anything, it makes me more aware and more proud when I can overcome and live my best, happiest life. Being gay does not mean that I have to be sexually active to be happy or fulfilled.

    Thank you, Heliotrope for yet another articulate and thoughtful analysis.

    Thank you Cyril, for articulating some of my thoughts and affirming them.

    Thank you Robin, for saying what I have always thought, but not found the words to say.

    Thank you Hanover, for being you.

    Rusty, take your snottiness, sarcasm, and condescension and choke on it.

    Comment by TADFORD — January 5, 2018 @ 2:28 pm - January 5, 2018

  9. @8 you’re much welcome, my pleasure again, actually, to see, to be comforted that I haven’t isolated myself on my own metaphysical island; only seeking for truth, if not for being 100% certain of improving myself (yet trying), at least doing my best not to worsen myself.

    To continue on Heliotrope’s comment,

    Most Leftists, however, are lazy, dyspeptic grifters who are playing the system and are largely interested in what is in it for themselves. And they want immediate results and gratification. None of this posterity crap for them.

    Blaise Pascal who wrote, “man is only a reed, but he is thinking reed; the universe does not need to arm itself to crush him; a drop of water will suffice; but the universe knows nothing of it — while man does (paraphrase) therefore, striving to think well : that is the essence of morality”,

    would be proud of Jordan B. Peterson who recently said (sorry, just paraphrasing again)

    “Adolescence / teenage is when the compulsion to change the world springs up, and it’s a messianic compulsion of our human nature, as we get aware of the necessity of suffering in life to find for ourselves the meaning we want to give it (our own life) — but this compulsion has been harnessed, tampered with — [my addendum: thank the left for that] –, to make them believe that to remove plights in our societies, we must demand the right to forcefully change other people — and nothing could be farther from the truth; do you want to make the world better? Start working on yourself.”

    That’s all there is to it.

    Normal people know and accept their bounds; read: limits. Hence, where they are to supposed to start pushing those, for the better.

    One doesn’t need to be a believer — but true, it is easier, or should I say, with more incentives, for the Christian who wants to save himself, running away from the risk of defying God — knowing he his a sinner and working as best as possible on self until the end.

    So, believer or not — normal people know where to start.

    And, there is the left — as Heliotrope pointed out — with legions of models to do the exact opposite.

    No wonder why one of their flavors even wishes for the human race to become extinct altogether, seemingly so bitter that they will never get to make man (read: other people) acceptable enough to their taste.

    Comment by Cyril — January 5, 2018 @ 3:30 pm - January 5, 2018

  10. Cdl Burke

    In a 2013 interview, Burke said that same-sex marriage “…is a work of deceit, a lie about the most fundamental aspect of our human nature, our human sexuality, which, after life itself, defines us. There is only one place these types of lies come from, namely Satan. It is a diabolical situation which is aimed at destroying individuals, families, and eventually our nation.”[78]

    In an interview in October 2014, Burke referred to gay relationships as “profoundly disordered and harmful”, also suggesting that parents should not allow their children to have contact with sexually active gay people and should discourage them from attending family gatherings such as celebrations at Christmas. He has described homosexuality as an “ailment” which is not genetic but largely depended on a person’s environment. In an interview with LifeSiteNews that the situations of gay couples and divorced and remarried Catholics are analogous to the situation of “the person who murders someone and yet is kind to other people,” in that good acts do not mitigate the “sinfulness” of other acts. David Gibson, writing in the National Catholic Reporter, suggested Burke’s comparison is out of step with the more pastoral approach of Pope Francis.

    Wiki

    Comment by rusty — January 5, 2018 @ 5:53 pm - January 5, 2018

  11. @10

    I have no idea who that Burke is, other than not being Edmund Burke who lived 2 centuries earlier seemingly.

    Now, on this,

    In an interview in October 2014, Burke referred to gay relationships as “profoundly disordered and harmful”, also suggesting that parents should not allow their children to have contact with sexually active gay people and should discourage them from attending family gatherings such as celebrations at Christmas.

    Well, he is entitled to his opinions as anybody else — and suggesting parents to do this or that is … whatever … but not deranged: parents own their children’s raising.

    Are they irresponsible and abusive? They, alone, be fully responsible for the short, mid, or long term consequence, including once those kids develop into adults.

    Are they irresponsible and too laxist? The same.

    Are they responsible and caring by their own standards inherited from many generations prior that allowed their bloodlines to prosper? Then, why interfere?

    Now, does that Burke suggest to throw homosexuals off of rooftops to a certain death? Or to use the force of the law and state to plunder them more specifically because of that trait?

    Well. Where, when, and how have we seen this unfold before?

    One could have asked R. J. Rummel.

    Comment by Cyril — January 5, 2018 @ 6:24 pm - January 5, 2018

  12. From the link. . .

    Catholic Cardinal Raymond Leo Burke, the former archbishop of St. Louis who now serves on the Vatican’s highest court, said the “homosexual condition” is an “abnormal condition,” and that there is no reason for the Catholic Church to “ask forgiveness for teaching the truth about sex and sexuality.”

    The link in the post Cyril

    Comment by rusty — January 5, 2018 @ 6:29 pm - January 5, 2018

  13. @12

    Well, I am not a theologist and I have no particular opinion on that sort of statement, because I don’t really care.

    I do care more — or rather, I pay more attention loaded with a great deal of morbid curiosity, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa — to what is now an almost completely corrupt Catholic church, with at her rotten fish head a Pope that a tiny little remnant of catholics such as myself regard as a tasteless farce who observably has an ever up-to-date copy of the U.N. blueprint on His Excellence bedtable … instead of a bible.

    Granted, not that we are surprised, for the tiniest bit, though, as it was the prophecy just as it unfolds.

    ‘hope this clarifies.

    Comment by Cyril — January 5, 2018 @ 6:52 pm - January 5, 2018

  14. Rusty is a master at finding poison ivy and delivering it here as some sort of proof that all woody plants with green leaves are noxious.

    For Rusty, correlation is causation if it fits his narrative.

    Apparently, “Catholic Cardinal Raymond Leo Burke, the former archbishop of St. Louis who now serves on the Vatican’s highest court” is the mouthpiece for God.

    Rusty, you really should have been around in Indiana in the 1920’s. You could have been in the KKK and marched on the Catholics. Damn Catholics. Minnie Munchers. What good have they ever done? Wipe them out.

    Comment by Heliotrope — January 5, 2018 @ 10:20 pm - January 5, 2018

  15. Anyway, this is fresh and hopefully relevant enough to the post — a real treat for me, too,

    “I’m not privileged, I’m just cultivating.”

    https://youtu.be/kteHW6t4G0g

    #AntiCheGuevaraTShirtTime 🙂

    Comment by Cyril — January 5, 2018 @ 10:28 pm - January 5, 2018

  16. I have no idea who that Burke is, other than not being Edmund Burke who lived 2 centuries earlier seemingly.

    Raymond Cardinal Burke is Prefect Emeritus of the Apostolic Signatura, and formerly Archbishop of St. Louis (and prior to that, Bishop of La Crosse [WI]). He’s the leading voice of orthodoxy in the official realm of the Roman Catholic Church and the most prominent canon lawyer outside academia. He has issued, along with three other members of the Roman curia, a dubia (ie, challenge) to an apostolic exhortation by Pope Francis, as well as being openly critical of his change in personal appointments by the current pontiff. [For non-Catholics, this is essentially like complaining about your boss to the rest of the company and trashing him within earshot at the annual Christmas party.]

    He does these eyebrow-raising things because he sees himself as a voice in the wilderness, crying out against the wayward tilt of the world towards immorality, modernity, and secular progressivism. Therefore, he’s more than happy to give interviews to sympathetic media who will either promote his viewpoint and/or not challenge his assertions. (Often these are non-American and non-European press outlets.)

    In a nutshell, he’a a scold; albeit by many accounts, a compassionate one.

    As such, he’s not the person I would refer to for an expert opinion on the contemporary Roman Catholic view of alternative variations on human sexuality, any more than I would consult Jeff Sessions for a contemporary expert opinion of marijuana. That does not make his viewpoint wrong (theologically or otherwise), but for him–as for many on the right and definitely on the left–nuance is for those who, to quote one of Jack Nicholson’s more famous characters, “can’t handle the truth”. Contrast that to Pope Francis’ once-stated view on homosexuality, paraphrased: Who am I to judge?

    The current pope’s view on what we in primarily the USA refer to as “social issues” is that humankind should strive to do better and ask for God’s forgiveness and mercy when we fail and to move on and not dwell on the failures. Cardinal Burke’s point of view is, quite literally, “We can’t talk about them enough!”

    Nonetheless, the article containing the interview linked in the original post is an abstract of an abstract and so is missing the nuances of the original interview. Looking at the abstract of the original interview from the Filipino publication gives a bit more depth about Cardinal Burke’s views, including a glowing testimonial from a former parishioner in the Diocese of La Crosse who, as a gay man, renounced his faith personally to then-Bishop Burke because of the latter’s pronouncements about homosexuality, and several years later rejoined the church in a modern-day example of the Parable Of The Prodigal Son.

    That should not be confused with a live-and-let-live attitude on the part of His Eminence, as clerics who share his viewpoints tend to feel that talking in a manner which is not explicitly disparaging about homosexuality is otherwise “promoting” it. Still, the portrayal of him by most LGBTQXYZ blogs and news sites as an anti-gay homophobe lacks the aforementioned nuance as to his real opinion as it relates to the condition as well as to the persons affected by the condition.

    Comment by RSG — January 6, 2018 @ 8:30 am - January 6, 2018

  17. It’s good to see Cyril back in the Saddle Again.

    Comment by Hanover — January 6, 2018 @ 9:15 am - January 6, 2018

  18. @17 Thanks! After many adventures I won’t delve into, I managed to flee from California.

    What a relief already 🙂

    Comment by Cyril — January 6, 2018 @ 3:30 pm - January 6, 2018

  19. Protestant churches that don’t ordain women are declining. Fact.

    Comment by Paul — January 6, 2018 @ 3:39 pm - January 6, 2018

  20. Jocko Podcast 98

    11/2016

    “Breaking Your Wretched Loop”

    ISIS crimes against christian and suni women, …

    Who becomes evil? Why? How?

    https://youtu.be/23dArPpXgCM

    Comment by Cyril — January 6, 2018 @ 7:12 pm - January 6, 2018

  21. Of course they are, Paul.

    But Jesus also told us that religion wasn’t a popularity contest, and that there would always be people like you who were more concerned with advancing their own agenda than they were religious beliefs.

    So ask us if we care. We know you hate religion in the first place.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — January 6, 2018 @ 10:05 pm - January 6, 2018

  22. Btw, this is how multiculturalism is celebrated on new year’s eve these days — they have become playful with the police, included :

    https://youtu.be/96Dm4JMu2y8

    French Female Police Officer Llynched In Horrifying Attack In Paris Suburb

    https://warnewsupdates.blogspot.com/2018/01/french-female-police-officer-llynched.html?m=1

    The thug gang did the filming for their own posterity, of course.

    Comment by Cyril — January 7, 2018 @ 2:20 am - January 7, 2018

  23. I wonder if Christianity is too subtle for the “cultured” morons of today. North Dallas Thirty notes @ #21:

    But Jesus also told us that religion wasn’t a popularity contest, and that there would always be people (….) who were more concerned with advancing their own agenda than they were religious beliefs.

    Clearly Hollyweird, much of popular music, the mainstream news gaggle, the popular press, video games, school curriculum and our political “leaders” have little, if any, moral message embedded in their thoughts and actions.

    Like it or not, moral authority does not come from a gluten-free diet or an oak tree or waving eagle feathers at the clouds or sitting around in a salon sipping peaty Islay scotch at $110 a bottle.

    Oswald Spengler wrote:

    ‘There are blossoming and ageing cultures, peoples, languages, truths, gods and landscapes, just as there are young and old oak trees, pines, flowers, boughs, and petals–but there is no ageing mankind.’

    The problem with the “death” of religion in a culture is that the authority for morality dies with it.

    Mormonism is more than a religion. It is also, like Judaism, a very strong culture. That is what separates it from the Methodists and the insipid universalists.

    Many Americans will forcefully argue that Thanksgiving is not religion based. Secular humanism demands that response. Now, Christmas is rapidly morphing into a winter solstice festivus which adores the power of the credit card.

    Christianity is based on the peace and comfort it brings to your human soul to be kind, helpful and forgiving. That is not particularly high octane cultural stuff.

    Eventually, I suppose, a culture spins out of control and the shapers of the cultural edge are temporary idols worshipped for their immediacy and tits and feathers. As Shakespeare said it: “Fair is foul and foul is fair.” We become absorbed in “much ado about nothing.”

    Without an authority for morality, eventually conscience becomes unnecessary. As Ogden Nash put it: “There is only one way to achieve happiness on this terrestrial ball, and that is to have either a clear conscience, or none at all.”

    Nash nails it. Those who seek to destroy religion are doing so as an act of releasing themselves to proceed without conscience.

    Now, if you want to hear a pig squeal, tell him he is operating in an amoral way and without conscience. So, maybe an ember of The Creator still burns within them.

    Comment by Heliotrope — January 7, 2018 @ 11:49 am - January 7, 2018

  24. This post and thread are examples of why I like this site. Kind of the equivalent of the musical theme and variations (so long as we stay away from ad hominem remarks, which we’ve mostly done this time).

    Robin (#3): well said. I wish I’d written it.

    TADFORD (#8): excellent first paragraph.

    Cyril ($18): glad you escaped. I have friends in that benighted state, and I worry about them.

    Paul (#19): I think the record shows that those who have gone all social justice warrior oriented (Episcopal Church of America, I am looking at you, with affectionate mourning for what you were and unhappiness at what you’ve become) are losing more members.

    Thanks to the founders and admins of GP for GP, and thanks to the commenters on here.

    Best wishes for a good 2018 to all.

    Comment by TheQuietMan — January 7, 2018 @ 12:36 pm - January 7, 2018

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