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PDT Shows His Authoritarian Streak

Posted by V the K at 8:37 am - March 1, 2018.
Filed under: Gun Control

So, during one of his series of televised discussions on gun control, PDT said this:

“Take the guns first, go through due process second.”

PDT is wrong. (See, we can criticize Trump when he’s wrong. Unlike the Democrats and the god-king Obama who swears that none of his many, many scandals embarrassed him. Unlike the Democrats and Bill Clinton, who got to #MeToo all the women he wanted in return for keeping abortion legal.) Due process is essential. Before the Government strips you of a civil right, it better be able to demonstrate a damned good reason and give you a chance to argue that their reason is horse-sh-t. And it isn’t that hard to get a judge to issue a warrant or a restraining order, as the FISA courts (99.9% of surveillance requests approved) demonstrate. There is no reason to treat law-abiding gun owners like they were college men accused of rape by bitter crazy ex-girlfriends.

PDT is just playing to the ignorant hysteria about guns the media have whipped up. Hysteria and overreaction lead to bad policy choices. Ask any Japanese-American who lived on the west coast in 1942; or anyone whose been groped by a high-school dropout working for the TSA; or these two guys.

Speaking of contempt for due process, Senator Susan Collins has revived the even-more-terrible idea of putting the No-Fly List onto the NICS database so that no one on the No-Fly list can buy a gun. A refresher: The No-Fly list is:

1. A Government list of people who are barred from flying for reasons the Government will not divulge; the criteria are secret and arbitrary.
2. Once on the list, there is no recourse. You can try and get your name removed at considerable legal expense, but it’s very difficult because the Government will argue it can’t tell you its reasons for putting you on the list because of ‘National Security.’
3. If you have the same name as someone on the list, you may also be on the list for that reason alone.

BTW, none of this new proposed legislation will work unless law enforcement actually uses it. The violent headcase in Parkland could have been arrested and detained on numerous occasions and charged with offenses (domestic violence; terroristic threats) that would have flagged him in the NICS database. But local law enforcement and the FBI didn’t bother.

Logically, the demonstrated failure of law enforcement at its most basic functions clearly indicates the need for civilians to have the means of their own defense.

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17 Comments

  1. Obviously the president hasn’t thought this one through. Expect a reset.

    Comment by Hanover — March 1, 2018 @ 9:06 am - March 1, 2018

  2. Many on the Right Web have commented on this and either threatened to immediately withdraw their support for POTUS 45 or at the very least have said “WTF!”. More reasoned heads have adopted a wait-and-see approach, similar to feeling a strange lump somewhere on the body and screaming “OMG, I’ve got cancer,..I’m going to die!”

    Personally, I’m waiting to see Scott Adams chime in on the meeting yesterday with his analysis from a persuasion theory perspective. It seems to me to fall into line with the pacing-and-leading approach. At any rate, it was fun to see DiFi’s O-Face in the White House meeting—you just know she had to change her Depends after it was over.

    Comment by RSG — March 1, 2018 @ 10:36 am - March 1, 2018

  3. Im taking wait and see. Remember the panic over the DACA meeting? Didn’t work out so well for the Democrats after all.

    Remember they think he’s some dumb idiot. Even though Scott Adams has explained ad naseum what he is doing the Resistance refuses to believe it and falls for it every time.

    Comment by CH — March 1, 2018 @ 11:51 am - March 1, 2018

  4. Yeah. Not worried.

    Comment by Lobogris — March 1, 2018 @ 1:26 pm - March 1, 2018

  5. In a way I’m glad it made conservatives butt hurt.

    Comment by ANON — March 1, 2018 @ 1:49 pm - March 1, 2018

  6. given that people in the doj and fbi like Mueller, comey, strock. mc cabe and others have and are engaging in a coup de etat against a duly elected president there has never been a more important time in our history for the American people to have the right to bear arms.

    Comment by salg — March 1, 2018 @ 4:41 pm - March 1, 2018

  7. I am not in panic mode. Not yet, anyway. A lot of proposals got tossed around, and not all of them will stick.

    In most states, BTW, a person who is a threat to himself or others can already be involuntarily held for psychiatric evaluation for up to 72 hours. And, in Florida, family members can get a restraining order just by signing an affidavit saying that they fear the person. The local law enforcement may then seize any weapons owned by the subject. Although, it is hard to see what good that will do if the person is not arrested or confined. He can still go to a hardware store and buy an ax.

    Anyone who needs to be disarmed probably needs to be confined, either in a jail or in a secure mental hospital.

    When the No-Fly List was first implemented, the Left denounced it. Editorials in The Atlantic and New York Times complained that it was arbitrary, and that it had no objective criteria. The ACLU complained about the lack of due process, and they pointed out that innocent people remained on the list even after being investigated and exonerated.

    Then Obama got elected. And then, after the San Bernardino massacre, the administration proposed “No fly=no buy.” The media did an about-face. The same media outlets began editorializing about how “even suspected terrorists on the No-Fly List can buy guns.”

    The Obama Administration; or, How the Left Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the List.

    BTW, neither of the killers in San Bernardino was ever on the No Fly List, or any anti-terrorist watch list. Not surprising, since Barry ordered the FBI and DHS not to spy on Muslims.

    Re: all the red flags that were ignored in Florida, it now appears that the school district and the sheriff colluded to avoid arresting and prosecuting juvenile criminals, to artificially reduce the crime statistics. There was also some pressure from Obama’s DOJ to do so, since a disproportionate percentage of criminals were POC.

    And Sheriff Israel may have taken lessons from Hillary Clinton about ordering rescuers to stand down while innocent victims are under attack.

    Comment by Tom — March 1, 2018 @ 4:44 pm - March 1, 2018

  8. I’m in the wait and see camp.

    There is a need for a way to disarm obvious crazy people. In theory, there’d be due process (as soon as practical), proper oversight, and accountability.

    In the real world, though, its hard to forget the weaponization of government agencies, the aforementioned “no fly list” and FISA rubber-stamping operation, and other government abuses.

    And to ice this cake, there’s the epic incompetence of the government at all levels handling the Florida massacre. It’s hard for me to see how adding more red-tape and process to the burdens of the citizenry will do any good when the government appears incapable of managing that which it is currently charged with.

    The Boston bombers were fingered by the Russian intelligence agencies – to no purpose.

    The underwear bomber was fingered by British intelligence acting on a tip from the guy’s father – to no purpose.

    The jerk that murdered 26 people at a Texas church had been court-martialed for domestic violence and, by law, should have been on the “no gun” list – again, government dropped the ball.

    And so on. I’d bet a dollar that no one in any of these cases was fired for their oversight. The government loophole is mammoth compared to the so-called gun show loophole.

    Comment by KCRob — March 1, 2018 @ 6:57 pm - March 1, 2018

  9. Logically, the demonstrated failure of law enforcement at its most basic functions clearly indicates the need for civilians to have the means of their own defense.

    May I correct?

    I’d rephrase it as,

    “Logically, the demonstrated failure of law enforcement at its most basic functions clearly indicates the need for civilians to DEFUND THESE USELESS, FACELESS, PARASITIC, BUREAUCRATIC CRETINS leeching off our tax payer money.”

    Comment by Cyril — March 1, 2018 @ 7:01 pm - March 1, 2018

  10. Trump’s Noo Yawk roots are showing. You can take Trump out of Noo Yawk, but you can’t take the Noo Yawk out of the Trump.

    Comment by Paul — March 1, 2018 @ 7:17 pm - March 1, 2018

  11. Btw, we have a winner! His name is…

    Adam Schiff

    https://youtu.be/unebRMHSzUw

    😀

    Comment by Cyril — March 1, 2018 @ 8:36 pm - March 1, 2018

  12. I’m in the wait-and-see camp as well. Like others have said, he did something similar with tax reform and DACA. I have a feeling that in a week or so, he’s going to offer to move forward on this *IF* the Democrats give up something in return, say national reciprocity or a decrease on restrictions.

    Comment by Clifford — March 1, 2018 @ 9:38 pm - March 1, 2018

  13. The POTUS is a negotiator of the wheeler-dealer sort, he bargains predator-prey. It’s not a thoughtful intellectual debate of high-minded principles. It’s throw-things-out-there, and see which baits make the prey twitch.

    I wait, …and watch.

    Comment by Ted B. (Charging Rhino) — March 2, 2018 @ 3:19 am - March 2, 2018

  14. Trump is not a gun guy obviously but his attacking the NRA may come back to bite him in the butt. Where does he think most of his voters came from? Maybe he’s playing some brilliant strategy or maybe we’re just so wound up in hope that we’re willing to believe that. Anything that makes Diane Frankenstein that happy can’t be good for America.

    Comment by Rex — March 2, 2018 @ 11:28 am - March 2, 2018

  15. Trump may not be a “gun guy”, but he does have a NY-CCW permit. And his sons go big-game hunting, even though politically Trump tries to keep a little distance between himself and them on this issue.

    Comment by Ted B. (Charging Rhino) — March 2, 2018 @ 2:41 pm - March 2, 2018

  16. Here is a G.W. Bushism: “over-undersestimate.”

    The media is triggered to automatically over underestimate anything Trump says which upsets their emotional safe-place.

    Trump’s remarks about “due process” were in the context of nabbing the weapons of a person being examined by the state for mental concerns. Trump was carelessly saying that the the weapons should be impounded as part of the examination and that the understandings of “due process” should be amended to permit the impoundment.

    That being said, I have no faith in the purity, integrity and altruistic tendencies of the state when it is practicing the art of omnipotence.

    The morass that is the transgenderism swamp has taught us that liberals have Silly Putty for brains and that their ethics and morality are also Silly Putty to be stretched and molded according to the distraction of the moment in the days of their liberal ives.

    This seemingly off-topic aside is meant to illustrate the paucity of liberal principles. As we all know, people with guns don’t kill people: guns kill people. Guns hop off the shelves and fire indiscriminately.

    In liberal-land, correlation is causation if the liberal says so. Otherwise, there is no connection, if the liberal finds it convenient to say the opposite.

    In the public schools, we sorted out kids with skills deficiencies and/or performance deficits and put them in “special education.” As time passed, the liberals decided this was “discriminatory” and that “special ed.” kids needed to be “mainstreamed.” Classroom teachers became responsible for an “independent education plan” for each and every student in the classroom which would speak to unique instructional needs of each student. And blah, blah, blah.

    It will be the liberals who will attack and tear apart this entire mental heath approach to gun violence. They want NO GUNS and nothing less. There is no sincerity on the left concerning mental illness. Probably, because liberalism is a mental disease.

    Comment by Heliotrope — March 2, 2018 @ 6:27 pm - March 2, 2018

  17. TRUMP is simply rattling leftists cages & letting them take off their masks. This is just like his “backpedaling” on DACA ended up with DACA being a separate issue on its own with protests outside democrat offices for not doing enough.

    Comment by Steve — March 3, 2018 @ 5:19 pm - March 3, 2018

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