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  1. Hmmm.

    For some reason, during my morning mindless websurfing, I ended up at that site. Strange people. On the one hand, they’re using a document presented at a Honolulu hospital to prove that Obama is not a U. S. citizen, and, on the very same site, they are questioning, correctly, if that document is even real (it’s clearly a forgery). Of course they are still using it to try and prove that Obama isn’t a U.S. citizen…. strange.

    Comment by Sonicfrog — July 15, 2009 @ 7:59 pm - July 15, 2009

  2. Sf: Yea, the wingnuts need to let the Obama citizenship thing go. Sounding like the dolts of Florida2000 (not to mention Ohio2004).

    Comment by ColoradoPatriot — July 15, 2009 @ 8:03 pm - July 15, 2009

  3. Obama surrendered? If only someone had warned us that he might do something along those lines…

    Comment by Phelps — July 15, 2009 @ 8:55 pm - July 15, 2009

  4. Why let the facts get in the way of yet another pathetic Obama-bashing orgy?

    The fact is that Major Cook is a reservist who volunteered to be deployed to Afghanistan. As the military spokesperson put it:

    “Cook submitted a formal written request to Human Resources Command-St. Louis on May 8, 2009 volunteering to serve one year in Afghanistan with Special Operations Command, U.S. Army Central Command, beginning July 15, 2009. The soldier’s orders were issued on June 9, Quon said.

    “A reserve soldier who volunteers for an active duty tour may ask for a revocation of orders up until the day he is scheduled to report for active duty,” Quon said.”

    In other words – Obama and the military had no choice but to revoke his deployment – it is his right to ask for revokation because he volunteered in the first place.

    Comment by Tano — July 15, 2009 @ 9:18 pm - July 15, 2009

  5. [...] Daily News (Right) calls it “Evil“; The Gay Patriot (Right) urges President Obama to make an example of Major Cook; My fellow Airman, Greyhawk of The Mudville Gazette (Right) smells a SCAM on behalf of Major Cook; [...]

    Pingback by Army Reserve Major Stefan Frederick Cook Successfully Weasels His Way Out Of Afghanistan Combat Orders By Challenging President Barack Hussein Obama’s Eligibility As His Commander-In-Chief | THE GUN TOTING LIBERAL™ — July 15, 2009 @ 9:38 pm - July 15, 2009

  6. Nick-

    How odd. This was the first story I found on my evening news’ scan of the Web — right before I launched GayPatriot! So I’m very pleased that you blogged on it.

    And I heartily agree. This is VERY stupid of Obama. We know there were many soldiers (perhaps under liberal influence) who refused to serve in Iraq and were yet forced to go and/or court-martialed.

    But the military under Obama as CIC allows this guy to refuse deployment?

    Wow. Just wow.

    Comment by Bruce (GayPatriot) — July 15, 2009 @ 9:42 pm - July 15, 2009

  7. I wonder if the next shoe to fall is that a soldier, currently in the Afghan theatre, demands to return home under the same argument; most strongly stated that if captured he/she would fall outside the Geneva Accords.

    This is a verrrrrrrrry dangerous precedent.

    Comment by Bruce (GayPatriot) — July 15, 2009 @ 9:45 pm - July 15, 2009

  8. Isn’t it a fair question to inquire about the citizenship? I find it curious that he’d spend a $1 million to fight in court rather than spending…what…$15(?) to provide a birth certificate.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — July 15, 2009 @ 9:46 pm - July 15, 2009

  9. he did provide a birth certificate.

    Comment by bob (aka boob) — July 15, 2009 @ 9:54 pm - July 15, 2009

  10. source bob?

    I’ve followed the ‘birth certificate’ with the ‘waiting for evidence’ bit. Problem being that if there is truth to it, it’s buried in all these claims. I know the lack of transparency has always disturbed me. And when you look at the (state funded) investigation of JtP, and the willingness to embrace the looniest conspiracy theories of the left on Gov Palin, the silence is deafening.

    Comment by The_Livewire — July 15, 2009 @ 10:04 pm - July 15, 2009

  11. I guess no one is paying to Tano’s comment? He beat me to it.

    Pay close attention, guys: The man volunteered. Then he un-volunteered. By law he may ask his orders be revoked, and his command must comply. It’s just that simple.

    But y’all are missing the bigger question: who set this stunt up? It’s a pathetically obvious (and pathetically lame) attempt to embarrass Obama. The man’s lawyer is either very stupid, or very dishonest when she claims “the military” is saying that Obama is illegitimate.

    And, TGC, Barry did provide a certificate. His mom is an American citizen. Ed Morrissey published (before he moved from Captains Quarters to Hot Air) a photocopy of the birth announcement in a local Hawaii paper. There’s no “there” there, mmmkay?

    Anyone who runs with this silly idea put themselves in the same category of Truthers and other idiots. Surely it’s easier to find legitimate points of criticism. It’s not as if that’s hard to do with this bunch.

    Comment by Casey — July 15, 2009 @ 10:12 pm - July 15, 2009

  12. The man volunteered. Then he un-volunteered.

    If he made a time commitment, how can he “un-volunteer” from it? He can serve what he promised, then simply not re-up. Nick?

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — July 15, 2009 @ 11:41 pm - July 15, 2009

  13. ILC asks “If he made a time commitment, how can he “un-volunteer” from it?”

    Casey walks slowly over to the nearest wall, and pounds his head into the wallboard. Hard. There’s lots of dents in that wall these days. :)

    ILC, I’ll try to take this reeeeel slow, so’s you can unnerstan’ this time, ok?

    First, scroll back up to comment #4. The one left by Tano. Now that you’ve found it (you have found it by now, right? or am I going too fast?), count down to the fourth graf. Read it. Just for emphasis, I’ll quote it again:

    “A reserve soldier who volunteers for an active duty tour may ask for a revocation of orders up until the day he is scheduled to report for active duty,” Quon said.”

    Which part of that single sentance are you too fracking dense to understand? And, yes, I’m being very sarcastic right now, mainly because your comprehension difficulties are just this side of unbelievable.

    Comment by Casey — July 16, 2009 @ 12:19 am - July 16, 2009

  14. It’s definitely a bizarre case.

    Joe Pags (who sometimes fills in for Glenn Beck but is mostly the local guy on WOAI’s drive-time show here in SA) took the story at face value & flipped out over the revocation of orders bit, claiming that the revocation of orders proves Obama has something to hide vis a vis the birth certificate question. He then launched into the tirade we’ve all heard before, claiming that the Certification of Live Birth isn’t a real birth certificate because it lacks information about the Dr’s name and the baby’s weight & the hospital name, etc.

    Beyond the simple fact that my (Texas) birth certificate doesn’t list these things and that my older two daughters’ (Virginia) birth certificates don’t have them either, the fact remains for me that the published Hawaii birth certificate with Obama’s name on it looks exactly like the birth certificate I was issued for my youngest daughter, who was born at Kapi’olani Medical Center in downtown Honolulu. Of course, I cannot find it, but I swear I am going to request a copy & then scan it and put it online to make the point.

    Comment by Sabra — July 16, 2009 @ 12:30 am - July 16, 2009

  15. Jesus H., Casey. Could you possibly be a bigger f**kin’ dick?

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — July 16, 2009 @ 4:59 am - July 16, 2009

  16. “A reserve soldier who volunteers for an active duty tour may ask for a revocation of orders up until the day he is scheduled to report for active duty,” Quon said.

    That should answer the question.

    Comment by Ignatius — July 16, 2009 @ 7:40 am - July 16, 2009

  17. “Can ask.” Not ‘Will get’

    My Akbar sense is saying “It’s a traaaaaap!” His TOD gets pulled “he’s not legitimate!” it doesn’t get pulled “See? he’s trying to kill a dissenter!”

    Comment by The Livewire — July 16, 2009 @ 9:58 am - July 16, 2009

  18. Question: If a hypothetical person just thought something smelled a little fishy about the birth certificate issue, but still thinks there’s probably nothing there… would such a person still be a nutjob?

    Comment by V the K — July 16, 2009 @ 10:54 am - July 16, 2009

  19. Casey, if I were to adopt your tone/attitude here, then I should have to call you stupid.

    As The_Livewire pointed out,

    “A reserve soldier who volunteers for an active duty tour may ask for a revocation of orders up until the day he is scheduled to report for active duty,” Quon said.

    *IS NOT* an answer to the question, unless your intent/meaning was that it answers the question in the negative. Because the operative words are “may” and “ask”. The latter of which, in particular, implies that it is the military’s decision (not the soldier’s), and thereby creates a reasonable question about whether, or the extent to which, the soldier is obligated to go if the military decides against him. My buddy who is an officer in the Army has had to go on duty postings before, that he didn’t want to. Again: Nick?

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — July 16, 2009 @ 11:27 am - July 16, 2009

  20. (P.S. and in reference to my buddy, I mean postings that he had originally sought, then changed his mind about later before leaving)

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — July 16, 2009 @ 11:29 am - July 16, 2009

  21. (and as for the ‘reserve soldier’ aspect, the basic point of a reserve soldier is to be there when the Army or the nation decides that it needs you)

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — July 16, 2009 @ 11:32 am - July 16, 2009

  22. (Long story short: I’ve asked a question and please deign to excuse me if I wait to get the answer from Nick or somebody with, you know, actual knowledge.)

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — July 16, 2009 @ 11:39 am - July 16, 2009

  23. CP,

    You’re the grunt here, IIRC, any insight on the un-volunteering aspect? (Though to use movies like ‘Stop-Loss’ as an example I’m sure it would never happen. [sarc])

    Comment by The Livewire — July 16, 2009 @ 11:40 am - July 16, 2009

  24. No, that hypothetical person would just have an overactive sense of smell. :-)

    Comment by Sonicfrog — July 16, 2009 @ 11:41 am - July 16, 2009

  25. It’s actually a lose / lose for the administration. As we see, he gets released, and this looks suspicious, as if Obama wanted to try to by the silence of the soldier be honoring the request to un-volunteer. The “Birthers” go atwitter. But what do you think would have happened had they refused his request? “Obama is sending him to war to silence him!!!!!”. And then think of what would happen if the soldier got killed. Boy, the conspiracies would be flying.

    Personally, I would have sent the snot out of spite, but thankfully for everyone, I’m not in charge.

    Comment by Sonicfrog — July 16, 2009 @ 11:51 am - July 16, 2009

  26. Ooops, should have been “…as if Obama wanted to try to buy the silence of the soldier..”.

    Comment by Sonicfrog — July 16, 2009 @ 11:52 am - July 16, 2009

  27. Sonicfrog,

    Is this a sign of the end times? You and I agreeing on something?

    Comment by The Livewire — July 16, 2009 @ 12:11 pm - July 16, 2009

  28. On which parts do we agree? I’ll have to be more careful next time!!!!! :-)

    Comment by Sonicfrog — July 16, 2009 @ 12:40 pm - July 16, 2009

  29. That it seems like a scenario set up for the administration to lose/lose.

    Comment by The Livewire — July 16, 2009 @ 1:12 pm - July 16, 2009

  30. I absolutely agree that this type of insubordination in the military should not be allowed to stand. I just wish Obama made stronger use of his authority as Commander in Chief that enlisted soldiers are required to respect.

    Comment by Scott Spiegel — July 16, 2009 @ 1:37 pm - July 16, 2009

  31. [...] To Obama: Don’t Be A Weak Commander! [...]

    Pingback by GayPatriot » The Embarrassing Case of Major Cook — July 16, 2009 @ 1:45 pm - July 16, 2009

  32. From today’s (July 16) thread:

    Cook then volunteered to deploy and then waited, apparently, until he was about to leave to once again raise Obama’s citizenship, this time as a reason for not wanting to go. Here, it seems, Cook seemed to be too clever by half, because as an Army Reservist, he’s allowed, once he’s volunteered to deploy, to back out. – CP

    Basically, a restatement of the Quon quote above.

    Comment by Ignatius — July 16, 2009 @ 2:23 pm - July 16, 2009

  33. No, the Quon quote had only said that he “may ask” to back out.

    Thank you *Nick*, for giving information on this.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — July 16, 2009 @ 2:30 pm - July 16, 2009

  34. If a hypothetical person just thought something smelled a little fishy about the birth certificate issue, but still thinks there’s probably nothing there… would such a person still be a nutjob?

    Evidently, if you don’t care enough about a subject to read up on it and you only get to read one blog a day, you’re a nutjob. I only read Hot Air when Pete points something out.

    But Casey and Capt. Ed have spake and it is so. IMHO though, as if anybody asked, it seems to me that we haven’t learned from Bill Beckett and Dan Rather or the “truth” as dictated by the liberal left for the past 8 years. It seems that what we have here are those willing to accept what liberals are telling them.

    You’ll forgive me if I don’t.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — July 16, 2009 @ 2:34 pm - July 16, 2009

  35. The thing about the birth certificate issue is: It’s over. Obama is President. Yes, a perfect world / media / electorate / SCOTUS would require him to produce full proof of his natural-born citizenship on demand, on the simple principle that citizens own the government and have the right to demand proof of the government’s (or the official’s or the candidate’s) constitutional legitimacy at any and all times. But, tragically, our world doesn’t work that way. The Constitution is violated all the time. I do not condone any violation of the Constitution; rather, I take the stand that we can’t flag every little violation at once and there are some pretty big (or more general) violations going that I would rather concentrate on.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — July 16, 2009 @ 2:46 pm - July 16, 2009

  36. (P.S. I do not mean to suggest that Obama isn’t a natural-born citizen. I figure he probably is, and that there is probably just something on his real birth certificate that he finds a little bit embarrassing for some reason. Still, citizens should be able to demand it, and would be able to in a 100% perfect world… which we don’t have, yadda yadda.)

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — July 16, 2009 @ 2:50 pm - July 16, 2009

  37. Quon and CP (and Casey and Tano) have answered the “un-volunteer” question more than adequately by any objective measurement.

    Comment by Ignatius — July 16, 2009 @ 2:52 pm - July 16, 2009

  38. And this whole birth certificate issue is an exercise in stupidity. I wish Obama wouldn’t be a weak commander on this non-issue.

    Comment by Ignatius — July 16, 2009 @ 2:55 pm - July 16, 2009

  39. Quon and CP (and Casey and Tano) have answered the “un-volunteer” question more than adequately by any objective measurement.

    Operative one of the four: CP (Nick).

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — July 16, 2009 @ 2:59 pm - July 16, 2009

  40. Here’s a question for which I don’t have an answer. How did the other Presidents prove their citizenship? Did all the others produce a “short form” cert? If they did, and that was good enough for them, then the case is closed. If, however, they produced a “long form”, then Obama should too.

    I suspect that most haven’t bothered to produce anything and US citizenship was assumed, for obvious reasons.

    This whole nonsense strikes me as being very similar to the “Florida Vote Count” conspiracy, which wants sooo very hard to de-legitimize the Bush Presidency in 2000 by counting votes for Gore that were not legally recognized, which ranges from Jews couldn’t have voted for Bush, to voters were unlawfully thrown off the voter roles via screw-up in the felony voter purges. And all those vote would have naturally gone for Gore.

    Comment by Sonicfrog — July 16, 2009 @ 4:40 pm - July 16, 2009

  41. Another aspect to this conspiracy; the crux of the issue is the “long form” certificate. Hawaii’s Sec. of Birth Certificates (I’m joking, there is no position, but now that I’ve given some bureaucrat the idea…) says they don’t release the long forms for no one no how. If the “Birthers” wanted to bolster their case, they could show that the state officials are lying in this regard. So far, they haven’t.

    Comment by Sonicfrog — July 16, 2009 @ 4:45 pm - July 16, 2009

  42. In the county I was born in, there aren’t ‘birth certificates’ per-se; all births at that time were recorded in a clerk’s ledger and the county after-the-fact issues a sealed certificate stating that a birth was recorded with just the legal-name and the date. There’s no other personal information on it; no where-born, no parents name, no finger or footprint even. There’s absolutely nothing that can tie the person to the ‘certificate’ on it. You would have to physically go to the Court House records room and pull out the ledger to see the additional biographical and legal information…and also physically go through the hospital’s medical files…then cross-reference them with my current medical records (and fingerprints?) in order to prove that I’m who I claim to be.

    While the question’s academically-interesting, can I claim a higher-standard for Obama than my own proof of native-born citizenship?

    Comment by Ted B. (Charging Rhino) — July 16, 2009 @ 5:31 pm - July 16, 2009

  43. How did the other Presidents prove their citizenship? Did all the others produce a “short form” cert? If they did, and that was good enough for them, then the case is closed. If, however, they produced a “long form”, then Obama should too.

    Citizens should be able to demand – and the candidate should be expected to either produce, or have good and honest excuses for not producing – a “long form” at any time. It doesn’t matter what standards have been in effect for previous Presidential races, because the whole point of moving forward in time is that standards evolve.

    Also and just FYI or FWIW, there is an important area where Obama didn’t come remotely close to meeting the standards of previous Presidential campaigns or the standards of his opponent (McCain): the production of medical records. The media gave Obama a big ‘pass’ on that.

    can I claim a higher-standard for Obama than my own proof of native-born citizenship?

    Ted, last time I checked, you weren’t President, nor running for it. So: Yes.

    Again, my own view in the end is that (1) Obama probably is a natural born citizen and (2) there are other issues we should all be concentrating on. I just don’t think Obama deserves a complete pass on all this. He really should have manned-up and produced the “long form”, on his medical records as well as his BC.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — July 16, 2009 @ 5:41 pm - July 16, 2009

  44. I figure he probably is, and that there is probably just something on his real birth certificate that he finds a little bit embarrassing for some reason.

    Seriously here, I’ve seen the birth certificate online. That’s what a Hawaii birth certificate looks like. There is no way that I know of to request a “long form” birth certificate (I happen to have Hawaii’s Department of Vital Statistics bookmarked, & I checked before typing that). I don’t get this kerfluffle. I really don’t.

    Comment by Sabra — July 16, 2009 @ 6:01 pm - July 16, 2009

  45. Sabra… he could… make some phone calls…..

    Actually, I agree with you.

    Citizens should be able to demand – and the candidate should be expected to either produce, or have good and honest excuses for not producing – a “long form” at any time. It doesn’t matter what standards have been in effect for previous Presidential races, because the whole point of moving forward in time is that standards evolve.

    But you’re not changing the standards; You’re not changing the rule, i.e. the standard for everyone from now on. You’re making an exception for one guy.

    One thing I find interesting about this subject is the reason the citizenship provision was created. If you look at the original intent of the citizenship provision of the eligibility requirements to be President, you’ll find the main reason behind it was to prevent an agent of another country, say Brittan, from becoming President and giving Brittan undue influence in the affairs of the newly created nation. So far, though he’s not done a great job so far as President (Understatement Of The Year award once again goes to me) I can’t see any policy leanings that are skewed to benefit Kenya. Heck, in his recent visit to Africa, he avoided the mother country like the plague.

    Comment by Sonicfrog — July 16, 2009 @ 8:41 pm - July 16, 2009

  46. You’re making an exception for one guy.

    Which, in fact, I am not doing.

    This is the part where it becomes impossible to discuss anything with you, sf, because you just make up whatever you want about what the other guy is up to. Have fun setting your straw men ablaze. ;-)

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — July 16, 2009 @ 9:54 pm - July 16, 2009

  47. I’ll address TGC’s question first: yes, I could if I felt the need. On the other hand, am I dick just because I don’t tolerate stupid questions to self-evident answers?

    ILoveCapitalism can dance around all day long with his logic-chopping (reminiscent of Slick Willy’s definition of what “is” is), but the bottom line is still the Blue Falcon in question was never, ever obliged to serve in Afghanistan. Whether he formally or officially asked to be relieved of the assignment for which he volunteered is irrelevant.

    All of this was part of a kabuki dance intended to set up an opportunity to again raise the stench about Barry Obama’s alleged irregularities with respect to his citizenship. Apparently ILC has gotten his nose out of joint because I refused to play along with his stupid game. He objects to my tone, but my tone results from his own self-assumed burden of not actually engaging his brain for, like, thirty seconds.

    And ILC can kiss my butt with his idiot crack about “somebody with, you know, actual knowledge.” If he got his head out of his self-important buttocks long enough to surf some of the more popular milblogs, he would have discovered that more than a few real, live soldiers know exactly what Blue Falcon is up to, and why this whole story is a ludicrous joke. I investigate, and learn, from those with “actual knowledge” and make a point to learn from them. In this case, it’s why I was up to speed while most conservatives were hopping up and down with glee at the chance to give Barry a black eye.

    And if ILC (again) took the time to follow some of the more popular milblogs on a regular basis, he would also have found out that the unit in Afghanistan has officially stated that they don’t want Blue Falcon over there. I’m sure ILC will find yet another excuse to whine that Ed Morrissey and I are picking on him, imply that we are somehow tools of “the liberals” because we are “willing to accept what liberals are telling them.” In other words, lacking a real counter-argument, ILC falls back on sophomoric tu quoque slander. ILoveCapitalism, if you’re dumb enough to call Ed Morrissey a dupe of the left, try checking the Weekly Standard some time. They hire credulous dupes all the time.

    Comment by Casey — July 17, 2009 @ 12:40 am - July 17, 2009

  48. yes, I could if I felt the need. On the other hand, am I dick just because I don’t tolerate stupid questions to self-evident answers?

    Obviously.

    Actually, you’re more along the lines of a complete asshole on the rag with the typical “I know more than you” arrogant attitude. There’s about a hundred ways you could have responded, but you chose to be a complete asshole instead.

    Some of us just don’t have the luxury of reading milblogs and what not all day long. I heard the story on Rusty Humphries the other night on the way back from WalMart. He was skeptical of the WND story and I agreed. The last that I read anything about his birth cert was a longwinded, hifalutin analysis of how it was a forgery. That and headlines I’ve seen where it was being challenged in court. That was the bulk of what I knew about it. As far as I was concerned, it was still an open and valid question.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — July 17, 2009 @ 1:33 am - July 17, 2009

  49. And ILC can kiss my butt

    Casey: It might make me just a *little* bit hot to be ranted about in the third person by someone apparently obsessed with me enough that he freaks if I even ask a question, then wait for an answer from someone with real knowledge (that was hardly a joke on my part) – and then further just makes sh*t up about “me” (supposedly) that I never suggested nor dreamed in this thread, even supplying faked/forged quotations of “me” – but not 0.1% hot enough to consider performing sexual acts on you. In fact, I probably never would. Sorry, but I must hereby decline your misplaced offer.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — July 17, 2009 @ 2:13 am - July 17, 2009

  50. P.S. Casey: You might retract your fangs just long enough to glance over the thread again and notice that the lion’s share (or majority) of the things that you are so concerned to accuse me of were actually said or thought or suggested by other commentors ;-)

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — July 17, 2009 @ 2:26 am - July 17, 2009

  51. (or on a couple points, possibly even by no one)

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — July 17, 2009 @ 2:36 am - July 17, 2009

  52. ILC, applying a different standard to one is not changing the standards for all. That’s making an exception to the rule.

    The bottom line is this. Does the short form, in all other cases, count as proof of citizenship? Yes it does. If you are from Hawaii, the short form is this form you would present when applying for a passport. And if you are not born in Hawaii, you’re say, born in Kenya, and are issued a short form, the short form will say you were born in Kenya.

    Here is the latest, most detailed, smackdown of the “Birther” nonsense.
    .
    Interestingly, Calif and Texas citizens must produce a long form to get a passport.

    BTW, how is this nonsense any different than the stupid “Trig Truther” BS?

    Comment by Sonicfrog — July 17, 2009 @ 11:38 am - July 17, 2009

  53. ILC, applying a different standard to one

    Which, in fact, I am not doing. (I am *not* applying a different standard to Obama than I had applied in 2008 to other Presidential candidates, or would apply to a new crop of candidates.)

    As I said, sf: This is the part where it becomes impossible to discuss anything with you, because you too busy inventing the other guy’s position to have a real discussion.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — July 17, 2009 @ 11:45 am - July 17, 2009

  54. how [are Obama BC questions] any different than the stupid “Trig Truther” BS?

    First, permit me to re-quote my position (my own earlier comments) on the Obama BC question, lest you – like Casey – try to “invent” my position out of whole cloth:

    The thing about the birth certificate issue is: It’s over. Obama is President….
    I figure [Obama] probably is [a natural-born citizen], and that there is probably just something on his real birth certificate that he finds a little bit embarrassing for some reason…
    Again, my own view in the end is that (1) Obama probably is a natural born citizen and (2) there are other issues we should all be concentrating on. I just don’t think Obama deserves a complete pass on all this. He really should have manned-up and produced the “long form”, on his *medical records* [emphasis added]…

    OK, now to answer your question: The last time I checked, Trig Palin was not a serious candidate for President of the United States. Hence, his birth status was not of constitutional import to the whole society.

    In fact – Isn’t Trig somebody’s Downs Syndrome baby, or something like that?

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — July 17, 2009 @ 11:52 am - July 17, 2009

  55. (typo, sorry, Down Syndrome)

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — July 17, 2009 @ 12:13 pm - July 17, 2009

  56. Again, my own view in the end is that (1) Obama probably is a natural born citizen and (2) there are other issues we should all be concentrating on. I just don’t think Obama deserves a complete pass on all this. He really should have manned-up and produced the “long form”, on his *medical records*

    I agree with the latter, but why should he have to show the “long form” if the “short form” is what is recognized by the US as the legal birth certificate from his state? Are you implying that the state government of Hawaii is involved in a conspiracy to cover up Obama’s true place of birth? And gee, if the “Triggers” could prove that Sarah is not his mom, then they could show she is a liar and weird and not fit to be VP (or President). So in a stupid crazy bat shit conspiracy driven world, the Trig thing is relevant to the election.

    Obama has proven he is a natural born citizen of the United States, and Palin has proven she is Trig’s mom. Unless of course you live in a world where the government controls airplanes via remote control, UFO’s steals cows (should have gone to McDonalds – less effort to get a burger), hides evidence of those UFO’s from the public, Bush knew there were no WMD’s in Iraq, and fire has never melted steel. In that case, it doesn’t matter how much evidence you produce, nothing would be good enough.

    Comment by Sonicfrog — July 17, 2009 @ 1:48 pm - July 17, 2009

  57. Are you implying that the state government of Hawaii is involved in a conspiracy to cover up Obama’s true place of birth?

    As I said, sf: This is the part where it becomes impossible to discuss anything with you, because you too busy inventing the other guy’s position.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — July 17, 2009 @ 1:54 pm - July 17, 2009

  58. (A trait shared by the conspiracy theorists you are otherwise right to decry, btw.)

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — July 17, 2009 @ 2:31 pm - July 17, 2009

  59. No, I’m inventing noting: Here are your exact words:

    Again, my own view in the end is that (1) Obama probably is a natural born citizen

    Note, you didn’t say Obama “is” a natural born citizen, you said “probably”, which suggests doubt that he is a citizen. I’m not suggesting that you are secretly a “Birther”, but you seem to have doubt about the validity of the “short form”, even though it is the recognized proof of citizenship for Hawaiians. And you state:

    He really should have manned-up and produced the “long form”

    My simple question is… why?

    If you decline to answer, I don’t mind. I’m just curious.

    Comment by Sonicfrog — July 17, 2009 @ 5:52 pm - July 17, 2009

  60. “Jesus H., Casey. Could you possibly be a bigger f**kin’ dick?”

    Right, because no “conservative” commenting on here has EVER been sarcastic, insulting or questioned another’s intelligence.

    Jesus H., TGC Could you possibly be a bigger f**kin’ hypocrite? Besides, what’s wrong with a big dick>

    Comment by a different Dave — July 17, 2009 @ 8:04 pm - July 17, 2009

  61. I’m not suggesting that you are secretly a “Birther”

    Yeah, and if I ask you “Have you stopped beating your wife”, I am in no way planting the suggestion that you beat your wife. Riiiiiiiiiight.

    (Obama really should have manned-up and produced the “long form” , on his medical records as well as his BC.) My simple question is… why?

    But I already gave reasons, sf. Three times! (#35. First sentence of #43. Additional reason in the second paragraph of #43, namely that McCain manned up and gave the long form of his medical records.) You didn’t care then, so I shouldn’t expect you to care now, if I were to re(-re-re-)state them.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — July 17, 2009 @ 8:57 pm - July 17, 2009

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