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  1. I am in total agreement with you… Democrats are Pro Power and WHATEVER THAT TAKES… KINDA like the dems are for the little guy!

    Comment by Megan — May 31, 2006 @ 10:28 pm - May 31, 2006

  2. Bruce, you and Dan really should read the article below. It’s verrrrry interesting. Then compare and contrast the experiences the Evangelicals are going through with the “Right” and those that gay and lesbian voters are going through with the “Left”. It’s left me with a great big ole heaping helping of “Hmmmmmmm…”. Maybe instead of working to influence either Party, we should be working to influence those Evangelicals that will listen to us. It might be a more effective strategy. And just a few percentage points shaved off here and there….

    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2006/0604.sullivan.html

    And for those phobic Andrew haters, note that this is an article by Amy Sullivan, not Andrew.

    Comment by Patrick (Gryph) — May 31, 2006 @ 11:19 pm - May 31, 2006

  3. Perhaps it’s the flip-flopping on the issue that’s most infuriating. IIRC Kerry did not flip-flop on the issue. His comments on the MO initiative were stupid but irrelevant since he didn’t live there. His agreement with the MA ban on SSM was predicated upon the granting of full rights of marriage without the name. That said, Kerry is history as is Howard Dean as far as the Presidency is concerned. Gay Dems are looking at new faces such as Feingold who are very supportive. Now remind me again which potential GOP candidates are strong on gay issues and specifically supportive of SSM. Buellar? Anyone?

    Comment by Ian S — May 31, 2006 @ 11:57 pm - May 31, 2006

  4. Think maybe the lib gays will finally figure out that “Democrats” just don’t give a damn about them?

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — June 1, 2006 @ 3:32 am - June 1, 2006

  5. TCG, the GayLeft won’t leave the Democrats –they think the Democrats “understand” them… the plight… the victimization by a mean-spirited majority… the personal anguish and guilt. The GayLeft has carried the water for those Democrats on non-gay issues like abortion rights, anti-corporatism, eco-radicalism and affirmative action.

    Any day now the Democrats will return the favors, reward the stalwart and support gay marriage and gay civil rights.

    Like in Georgia. Like at the DNC. Like in the Kerry-Edwards camp. Like with the many state DMA initiatives.

    Psych counselors call it co-dependancy and the GayLeft has it BAAAAD. The GayLeft is in need of serious therapy before those sick, twisted bonds can be broken. Will it happen?

    Like Bruce wrote: “No way, Jose.”

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — June 1, 2006 @ 9:36 am - June 1, 2006

  6. And, as Ian S points out above…. wait, wait, wait! Over here! Over here! We got a new pro-gay Democrat to crow about. He likes us. He gets us. He loves us. Forget the other guys… they’re history.

    Over here! Over here!

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — June 1, 2006 @ 9:40 am - June 1, 2006

  7. In the words of your hero, there you go again, trotting out perhaps the most tired arguments of gay conservatives–”Sure the Democrats have a pro-gay platform, but they don’t really mean it!”

    Tell ya what, let’s look at the vote totals on FMA next week and compare and contrast. I’ll bet the vast majority of your supposedly conservative Republicans will vote to override state regulation of marriage, consolidating federal power over the private lives of Americans. And the vast majority of Democrats won’t, because they realize how repugnant it is.

    Your glee at every instance where a Democrat fails to march in lockstep with HRC and NGLTF is laughable when your own ilk almost universally bows at the alters of the American Taliban.

    Comment by DCposter — June 1, 2006 @ 10:27 am - June 1, 2006

  8. D(N)Cposter, right… that’s a much better approach… take a hollow, politically DOA issue and point to easy votes as proof of the Democrats’ love and affection for gays. Right; you go girl.

    Like NDXXX and others have pointed out, you continue to fail to step up to the plate and call the anti-gay DNC liars out on the street and plant a few punches for the good of our community.

    Instead, you continue to carry the DNC vicitimhood buckets of water… of all those groups like pro-illegal aliens, abortion rights, affirmative action, big labor, anti-trade pacts and radical enviromentalists over at the DNC –hoping for the day that they’ll FINALLY attend to gay civil rights. Right.

    We’ve been waiting for a long, long time. At least you’re patient.

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — June 1, 2006 @ 11:46 am - June 1, 2006

  9. Michigan-Watt—If your goal is expanded protections for gays and lesbians, your choice is between a party that at a minimum pays lip service to those goals and has, in admittedly limited ways, attempted to advance them, and a party that singles you out as an exception to its stated support for expanding personal liberty. Between a party that applauds Barney Frank and one that protests Jim Kolbe. Between a party that tells the religious right it cannot demand the government’s imprimatur on discrimination and one whose official policy is to do just that. There simply is no argument here, other than for you and your ilk to come clean and admit you’d rather live life in the shadows and keep your predilictions a fun, naughty little secret.

    Comment by DCposter — June 1, 2006 @ 1:04 pm - June 1, 2006

  10. #9: Well put! You’ll notice that none of the cons posting here can answer the question I put to them on the next Presidential campaign, namely, “which potential GOP candidates are strong on gay issues and specifically supportive of SSM?” If their beloved GOP is so supportive of gays, it should be easy to name just one. But of course they won’t because they can’t.

    Comment by Ian S — June 1, 2006 @ 7:41 pm - June 1, 2006

  11. Well put! You’ll notice that none of the cons posting here can answer the question I put to them on the next Presidential campaign, namely, “which potential GOP candidates are strong on gay issues and specifically supportive of SSM?”

    All of them are.

    You see, Ian, what you and DCposter have demonstrated is that candidates who oppose gay marriage and support the FMA, state constitutional amendments, and Federal and state legislation like DOMA to strip gays of rights are “supportive” and “advancing gay rights” — with such examples as Dean, Kerry, Clinton, Tenenbaum, etc.

    Yours and DCposter’s responses are instructive; when faced with a clear and obvious example of Democratic Party homophobia and antigay actions, the only thing you can do is make wild accusations about how “Republicans are worse”.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — June 2, 2006 @ 12:55 am - June 2, 2006

  12. Tell ya what, let’s look at the vote totals on FMA next week and compare and contrast.

    You can bet your ass the libs will want a voice vote so nobody knows who voted how.

    Besides, why would you want to vote for somebody who swears their undying love and support for you than fucks you over, sans the Astroglide, as soon as it’s politically advantageous?

    Keep biting that pillow D(N)Cposter. Maybe the libs will leave a few bucks on your dresser. Of course it will be other people’s money….

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — June 2, 2006 @ 5:41 am - June 2, 2006

  13. Ian s and the D(N)C’s poster… that’s right guys. When confronted with the simple truth that your (the GayLeft) political allegiance keeps the gay rights agenda on the back burner in the summer kitchen of the Democrat Plantation, you try to switch and misdirect by saying… “Yeah, but those guys are worse”.

    The ploy might work with the 2rd graders on the playground, but it doesn’t pass the simplest of credibility tests… the record of the last 25 years.

    You may think that “Bush lied about WMDs” –but the far greater crime is that you continue to lie to yourself and our community about the true intent of national Democrats… namely, they will hold our community hostage for the ummmpteenth election or until we no longer consent to being raped.

    The GayLeft has failed us –over and over and over and over. And you guys can’t even stand up in the Party and say that without adverse consequence… like DNC Chair HowieScreamingDean firing gays, slashing gay budgets, ending 20+ yrs of marginal gay advocacy efforts.

    I understand how you can live with yourself… it’s just that the balance of the gay community won’t be letting you lead any longer.

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — June 2, 2006 @ 8:59 am - June 2, 2006

  14. If I want to remain in the political process in this country I really only have two choices–the Democrats and the Republicans. I say that with the understanding that neither party is interested in falling on its sword on my behalf. So if my primary political goals are to advance personal liberty so that I can live my private life unencumbered by a theocratic regime, I’d be nuts to vote for the GOP, yes? Sure they haven’t been able to do much damage so far, but it’s not for lack of trying. The Democrats aren’t perfect, but they aren’t attacking me as a political strategy either. So you keep licking Karl Rove’s boots and I’ll keep pressing supportive Democrats to put their words into action.

    Comment by DCposter — June 2, 2006 @ 9:24 am - June 2, 2006

  15. #14: You’re trying to use when logic arguing with Kool-Aid drinkers. How can you have a rational discussion with someone (#11) who claims that ALL the potential GOP Presidential candidates support same-sex marriage? His cute little twist about Dean, Kerry, Clinton, and Tannenbaum all supporting the FMA is, of course, demonstrably false. Folks like NDT are in such a state of denial of reality, I hope their friends and family keep sharp objects away from them.

    At times, the Kool-Aid induced fog may clear a bit. It’s probably what happened with GP’s awareness of going into what he describes as a “funk.” Probably that “funk” is merely a reaction to a brief glimpse of the reality of the corruption and homohatred that is part and parcel of the movement to which they have been slavishly devoted all these years. It’s bound to get worse as more of their icons fall in disgrace and the general population turns against them. We joke about heads exploding but the actual results will not be pretty at all.

    Comment by Ian S — June 2, 2006 @ 11:05 am - June 2, 2006

  16. I think I’m in love with DCposter and Ian S.

    I love how these folks bash Democrats as being liars on their feelings towards gays when they can make absolutely no argument for how their party is not only opposed to extending personal freedoms (which I kind of thought was the point), but proactively uses their sexuality as a tool to win elections by trying to criminalize your identity. I don’t see many Democrats doing that. Oh, but we know why you’re all Republicans…because saving a buck is more important than being free to fuck who you love (or just feel like fucking). Oh and that nasty government intrusion into your personal lives, when you seem complacent to allow intrusion into your bedrooms. Priorities are like assholes, everyone has them…most of them here just stink.

    Comment by Britton — June 2, 2006 @ 12:56 pm - June 2, 2006

  17. Ian S and D(N)Cposter… nice try. You get points for coming out on the dance floor and trying some new moves, but it still isn’t working for you.

    Dozens of blogs like GP are succeeding because they stay focused on telling the truth, providing a different voice in the gay community, and rallying conservative gays and sympathetic people to the cause.

    The GayLeft has had a monopoly as “THE VOICE” of all gays for so long, you guys actually believe your own spin.

    Pathetic. De-volutionary. You guys are your own worst enemy.

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — June 2, 2006 @ 1:29 pm - June 2, 2006

  18. #17: Still won’t tell us which of the potential GOP Presidential candidates support SSM? Well, at least you don’t lie about it.

    Comment by Ian S — June 2, 2006 @ 3:56 pm - June 2, 2006

  19. I love how these folks bash Democrats as being liars on their feelings towards gays when they can make absolutely no argument for how their party is not only opposed to extending personal freedoms (which I kind of thought was the point), but proactively uses their sexuality as a tool to win elections by trying to criminalize your identity.

    Tell me, Britton; why do you think John Kerry and Howard Dean publicly opposed gay marriage and supported state constitutional amendments and legislation to strip gays of rights?

    To win elections.

    But that’s OK with you; you even call it “pro-gay” and “gay-supportive”.

    Just like you do their opposition to extending personal freedoms.

    Kerry and Dean claimed to support gay rights, but proactively worked to strip them and attempted to exploit antigay sentiment to win elections.

    In short, you will excuse any action because Democrats do it.

    You will even support people like Ian S and DCposter who claim Inez Tenenbaum and other Democrats didn’t support the FMA, or that Clinton didn’t advertise DOMA as being a defense of American values, or that Kerry didn’t actively support and praise state constitutional amendments stripping gays of rights, or that Dean didn’t appear on The 700 Club loudly proclaiming how Democrats have the same values as Pat Robertson and his listeners, including opposition to gay equality.

    That speaks for itself.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — June 2, 2006 @ 4:20 pm - June 2, 2006

  20. While as a gay Democrat I am disgusted at my party’s lack of spine in supporting my rights, which has been going on for at least 8 years if not longer, I am not so delusional as to believe that a better option exists with the Republican party. Since I’m not solely concerned about myself and my pocketbook, I am still content to support the party that believes in the separation of Church and State, the right of women to make their own reproductive choices, the need to preserve our environment so that it at least lasts into the next generation, international diplomacy, and the importance of education for all children. Do I support a strong defense? Yes. Do I believe in fiscal responsibility? Absolutely. But not at the expense of my soul and the soul of my country. Dem Gays may be foolish to believe that their party wholeheartedly supports them, but as you folks often say, better to stick with the Devil you know.

    Comment by David — June 2, 2006 @ 4:36 pm - June 2, 2006

  21. #19: “people like Ian S and DCposter who claim Inez Tenenbaum and other Democrats didn’t support the FMA”

    What I actually claimed was that your “cute little twist about Dean, Kerry, Clinton, and Tannenbaum all supporting the FMA is, of course, demonstrably false.” Dean, Kerry and Clinton oppose the FMA. Tannenbaum lost and good riddance. Perhaps she can run as Republican.

    Comment by Ian S — June 2, 2006 @ 6:02 pm - June 2, 2006

  22. Let me add the parts you left out, David:

    Since I’m not solely concerned about myself and my pocketbook, I am still content to support the party that believes in the separation of Church and State

    (Except when the party head appears on The 700 Club and makes it clear that Democrats share Pat Robertson’s values)

    the right of women to make their own reproductive choices

    (except when it’s Tim Kaine, Bob Casey, Jr., or the other Democrats who oppose abortion)

    the need to preserve our environment so that it at least lasts into the next generation

    (which only applies to other people — we reserve the right to harangue them for owning SUVs, but then have it revealed that we own them ourselves)

    international diplomacy

    (as exemplified by Representative Jim McDermott, D-Baghdad)

    and the importance of education for all children.

    (except when it comes to accountability standards that track whether or not children are learning, but piss off the teachers’ unions)

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — June 2, 2006 @ 6:32 pm - June 2, 2006

  23. Lib types like those posted above make me ashamed to go to any Gay Pride rallies…they all turn out to be DNC fundraisers. Why should my money and time go to people who think I can’t fend for myself?

    Scribes, Pharisees and Hypocrites! That sums up the demoncRATS.

    Regards,
    Peter H.

    Comment by Peter Hughes — June 2, 2006 @ 8:50 pm - June 2, 2006

  24. #23: Spoken like a true Rethug!

    Comment by Ian S — June 2, 2006 @ 10:15 pm - June 2, 2006

  25. Poor NDT. In the world of his absolutist values, there is no difference between personal sentiment and legislative intent.

    Comment by NitPicking4Jesus — June 4, 2006 @ 4:25 pm - June 4, 2006

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