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  1. To think that JohnFKerry is running to the Left of HowieScreaminDean’s positions is utterly frightening. Shivers should be felt up and down the body politic. I bet this time he keeps the wife Shrew indoors.

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — August 31, 2006 @ 7:29 am - August 31, 2006

  2. GOP Secretary of State Ken Blackwell, for his dual role in 2004 as President Bush’s honorary Ohio campaign co-chairman and the state’s top election official.

    Nevertheless, regardless of whether any wrongdoing happened or not, it was inappropriate for Blackwell to do both jobs, if only for appearances sake. Its something we would criticize if it happened in say, Iraq or Iran or the Soviet Union.

    And now opponents can forever use it against him, and the GOP, to place a seed of doubt in the mind of the voter about his trustworthiness.

    He put being of service to the the GOP above the inherent responsibility of his office to ALL the people of his state, regardless of which political party they belong to, or none at all.

    It was a stupid and self-serving thing for Blackwell to do, and brings to mind Gov. Pete “I will not seek the Presidential nomination if you elect me for a 2nd term” Wilson. It shows poor decision-making abilities. The GOP should run a better candidate here.

    Comment by Patrick (Gryph) — August 31, 2006 @ 7:37 am - August 31, 2006

  3. What do y’all make of the fact that prominent Democrats can throw all the red meat (or, considering they’re Democrats, tofu and bean sprouts) they want to their nutjobs and nobody even bats an eye? I mean, what Kerry said would be basically be equivalent to Bob Dole in 1998 accusing Bill Clinton of running drugs out of Mena.

    Comment by V the K — August 31, 2006 @ 8:24 am - August 31, 2006

  4. Patrick, maybe one day you’ll think beyond the headlines, think & learn, and gain something that’s generally missing from your comments: it’s called informed perspective.

    Your characterization of the “apparent” conflict in Blackwell’s roles as an honorary co-chair of the victorious Bush-Cheney 2004 Ohio Campaign with his elected position as Ohio SoS fails even the sniff test. It’s not why Blackwell is behind –heck, even the self-interested radicals on the Left in Ohio don’t contend such nonsense.

    The reason Blackwell is behind is: 1) he’s still mending within his Party from the tough Primary battle; 2) he’s black and independent voters in Ohio tend to be resistant to a black candidate; 3) Gov Taft’s problems are dragging down the ticket; 4) Blackwell’s not being aggressive on spending/message and that benefits Strickland who has been skating unaccosted on thin ice since first announcing; and 5) Democrat leaders like JohnFKerry are willing to DO ANYTHING, SAY ANYTHING, BE ANYTHING in order to win the governor’s mansion.

    Frankly, the Democrats want the mansion far more than the GOP wants to keep it at this point. And until the progressive GOP can push racists and bigots out of the electoral component of Ohio, Blackwell can never win.

    Of course, you personally know how hard it is to reverse years of training to be a religious bigot –I know you’ve battled that evil and lost; imagine how hard it is for a black candidate to do that within the context of a political campaign?

    Blackwell isn’t losing because he served as SoS and an honorary chair of the victorious Bush Cheney 2004 Ohio Campaign, Patrick… he’s losing for the reasons I noted above.

    And he’s mostly losing because Democrats like JohnFKerry will DO ANYTHING, SAY ANYTHING, BE ANYTHING in order to win the governor’s mansion.

    You go on believing whatever you want to feed and satisify that BushHatred thing burning in your ponderous gut; because you’ve well proven that truth and reality rarely impact your views.

    VdaK –the MSM has always given the Democrats lots of room to pander to their radical base without a critical check.

    Remember TeddyK hammered incumbent Democrat Prez Carter about staying in the Rose Garden while American hostages were held by the very terrorists Carter helped put in power in Iran? TeddyK whipped up the same sort of base that now exists in the Democrat Party –and the MSM never faulted him. He was ruthless on the campaign trail.

    Why should they criticize JohnFKerry for throwing red meat to the fringe? If you don’t use red meat, it spoils. Better served to the fringe, than kept in the fridge. Red Meat; it does a body politic good.

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — August 31, 2006 @ 10:05 am - August 31, 2006

  5. Oh, look, someone’s making pr0n for the leftist nutroot apes. Bush Assassinated in TV Movie

    I would hate to be “the boyfriend” when that airs. Or, the beagle.

    Comment by V the K — August 31, 2006 @ 10:35 am - August 31, 2006

  6. “Progressive GOP”…my sides are split open from your attempt at humor…good one.

    You are getting lazy B(GP), stop simply copying and pasting your emails from the GOP HQ.
    “Kerry’s history of destroying America?”
    Even though you pooh-pooh it, he was in Vietnam, and fought the enemy in the service of our country…
    Then he criticized the war and the tactics used.
    That is not destroying, it’s a different viewpoint on the way to go forward….sometimes he uses his past experiences to emphasize his view points that is NOT destroying…
    Jeez…
    Further, as George Will states, it is KERRY’s plan to fight terrorism that has proved to be the most successful.
    You can disagree with his assessment of the election, but it does not mean he is destroying America…
    I suggest you attempt to stop your consistent regurgitation of GOP talking points and find your own voice. You might be suprised what comes out.

    Comment by keogh — August 31, 2006 @ 11:20 am - August 31, 2006

  7. keogh-of-the-lower-case-clan, “progressive” as in the GOP in Ohio –GOP voters in the Primary, too– endorsed a black for Governor. The Party’s leadership is upfront and in support of Blackwell, too. No attempt at humor here, you witless feck. Like the Michigan GOP, the Ohio GOP was the first in their state to nominate a black to be governor.

    Unlike the national Democrat Party, where good, faithful and loyal servants like Joe Lieberman are served up as RedMeat for the hungry MoveOn dogs growling at the gates… the Party continues to stand behind Blackwell and supports his candidacy. He earned the nomination and “playing fair” in politics remains the sole province of the GOP.

    Kerry was and continues to be a turncoat; I’d say traitor ala Jane Fonda. But in the worlds of the GayLeft and radical Democrats, being a turncoat is probably what most attracts him to you, keogh-of-the-lower-case. That and his penchant for lying and deception with a smile.

    If you need some help splitting a real gut, keogh, there are a few weight challenged GayLefties here who can give you some dieting tips.

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — August 31, 2006 @ 11:33 am - August 31, 2006

  8. #2 – “[Blackwell being a campaign figure and also certifying the vote count] is something we would criticize if it happened in say, Iraq or Iran or the Soviet Union.”

    Hell no, Gryph. Not if either Blackwell or the victor were a Democrat. I doubt you would criticize it for one second.

    #3 – Of course, V. It’s all double standards.

    Comment by Calarato — August 31, 2006 @ 12:14 pm - August 31, 2006

  9. “witless feck”….Jeez….

    By your and GP’s definition of traitor the following people are traitors for trying to DESTROY America:
    “I had doubts about the bombing campaign from the beginning . . I didn’t think we had done enough in the diplomatic area.”
    –Senator Trent Lott (R-MS)
    “You can support the troops but not the president.”
    –Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)
    I think it’s also important for the president to lay out a timetable as to how long (U.S. troops) will be involved and when they will be withdrawn.”
    –Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)

    Care to change your definition?

    Comment by keogh — August 31, 2006 @ 12:24 pm - August 31, 2006

  10. #7: “you witless feck”

    Tsk, tsk, tsk! I knew you conservatives would revert to your old ways of flinging insults. But what else do you have? How’s Blackwell doing in Ohio? Oh that’s right, he’s behind by double digits in the latest poll. And De Vos, that other GOP homohater next door in Michigan is slipping further behind Gov. Granholm. And GOP darling Loserman unveils an ad showing a sunset – presumably representing his career! His idiot campaign manager claims it’s a sunrise but is immediately shown to lying when the original video is proven to be of a sunset over the ocean at Santa Barbara, CA.

    Here in Arizona, the Dems have a great chance to grab Kolbe’s seat and maybe even send blowhard J.D. Hayworth back to sports broadcasting. No wonder you guys are sounding so shrill. LOL!

    Comment by Ian — August 31, 2006 @ 12:59 pm - August 31, 2006

  11. I’m truly blessed today I see. Both Caralato AND V the K attack me in response to something I never said and that they are making up out their own deranged musings.

    For example, from V the K comes:

    Your characterization of the “apparent” conflict in Blackwell’s roles as an honorary co-chair of the victorious Bush-Cheney 2004 Ohio Campaign with his elected position as Ohio SoS fails even the sniff test. It’s not why Blackwell is behind –heck, even the self-interested radicals on the Left in Ohio don’t contend such nonsense.

    Never did I say anything about Blackwell being behind in the polls because of his double-role as both as elections chief and head of Bush’s reelection bid in 2004. In fact, I didn’t even know he was behind until you said it. All I did was give the opinion that he was being a self-serving idiot.

    So as far as passing the “Sniff Test”, I think you had better try it on yourself first. Because dude, you have a serious case of BO.

    And then from that master of misdirection, Caralato, we have this gem:

    #2 – “[Blackwell being a campaign figure and also certifying the vote count] is something we would criticize if it happened in say, Iraq or Iran or the Soviet Union.”

    Hell no, Gryph. Not if either Blackwell or the victor were a Democrat. I doubt you would criticize it for one second.

    #3 – Of course, V. It’s all double standards.

    Note that although he is giving the appearance of responding to what I said, he is really just using this as way to attack my character and imply that I would be a dishonest hypocrite on the issue if we were talking about a Democrat. In fact, he is also may be implying that I am a Democrat, which is false.

    So there is no real substance with his post, just the usual misleading personal attack that is the hallmark of pretty much anything he has ever written here.

    Neither one of these two jokers actually address the issue that I brought up. Which is whether or not it was inappropriate, wrong, stupid, or even just foolish for Blackwell to do what he did.

    So in response to these two “gentleman”, I think I’m entitled fairly to a well-deserved exclamation of “Up Yours you Dorks!”

    Adieu.

    Comment by Patrick (Gryph) — August 31, 2006 @ 1:41 pm - August 31, 2006

  12. You can disagree with his assessment of the election, but it does not mean he is destroying America…

    You should realize, Keogh, that John Kerry is accusing Blackwell of election fraud because Blackwell required Ohio precincts to do two things: verify the addresses and identities of voters.

    Why?

    – Because voters are only supposed to vote in the precincts in which they reside

    – Because only citizens of the United States who are registered to vote (which requires you being able to provide proof of citizenship) are, by law, allowed to do so

    Kerry’s claim of “election fraud” comes from the fact that Blackwell’s actions resulted in fewer non-citizens, unregistered voters, and voters with questionable identities or out-of-precinct addresses voting.

    Now, if you would just be honest and say that you support unrestricted voting, meaning that anyone should be allowed to vote anywhere they want without proof of identification, registration, citizenship, or address, as John Kerry does, we might get somewhere.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — August 31, 2006 @ 1:51 pm - August 31, 2006

  13. And again to you, Gryph, we are waiting for proof that either you or Kerry are criticizing Democratic officials for enforcing laws governing voter registration, requirements for valid addresses, and other such voting safeguards by which you accuse Blackwell of “intimidating and suppressing voters”.

    Kerry, given his belief that anyone should be allowed to vote without restrictions, no questions asked, inadvertently reveals his problem — the Democratic vote is reduced when non-citizens, fraudulent voters, and fraudulent registrations are removed.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — August 31, 2006 @ 1:53 pm - August 31, 2006

  14. Let the record show that I refrained quite consciously from attempting any claim that Gryph was a registered Democrat.

    But that Gryph’s comments here all cut in the direction of support for Democrats, is something all honest longtime readers know.

    Let the record also show that, in fact, I quoted Gryph accurately and directly addressed/answered the issue he brought up. To wit: I rejected his claim that Blackwell’s actions were wrong.

    Once again, Gryph talks the mirror in his attempts to impugn others.

    Does Gryph think we all can’t simply read the thread? LOL :-)

    Comment by Calarato — August 31, 2006 @ 2:05 pm - August 31, 2006

  15. Goodness, how could I have forgotten that gift to Dems, Sen Felix Allen (R-Macaca) who’s not only a homohater but a racist bigot as well. http://tinyurl.com/jy9kq I know he was a darling of many who post here but he may not even be re-elected to the Senate let alone have a chance at the White House.

    Comment by Ian — August 31, 2006 @ 2:31 pm - August 31, 2006

  16. #14 – I tried being civil to him in one of the Katrina threads. Alas, it obviously did no good.

    And my #3 was not directed at Gryph at all, by the way.

    Comment by V the K — August 31, 2006 @ 3:03 pm - August 31, 2006

  17. Hey IanRaj, don’t hog all of the limelight, it’s time for some RajIan.

    Comment by BoBo — August 31, 2006 @ 3:04 pm - August 31, 2006

  18. Kerry lived in Slytherin when he was in school. Na-na-na-na-nooo-noooo.

    Comment by sean — August 31, 2006 @ 3:30 pm - August 31, 2006

  19. #16 – And Gryph took #3 as a big attack on him anyway? Yeah, you’re right, he did.

    He is a strange one.

    Comment by Calarato — August 31, 2006 @ 3:30 pm - August 31, 2006

  20. Wait, I get it now.

    V, that quote he attributed to you came from Matt in #4. So he attacked you over someone else’s comment.

    Comment by Calarato — August 31, 2006 @ 3:33 pm - August 31, 2006

  21. And remember, folks, IanRaj’s condemnations of “racism” are coming from someone who fully endorses and supports candidates and individuals’ tactics, such as outlined here, which include showing one’s opponent in blackface, calling a black candidate “Sambo”, and claiming that black children who succeed academically are “acting white” and should be taunted.

    As I said before…..he wouldn’t recognize racism if it bit him.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — August 31, 2006 @ 3:40 pm - August 31, 2006

  22. Ian (#15) – you are proving yet again that you do not think for yourself, but instead spout the latest talking points you are reading at Kos, etc.

    I’d like you to show me where anyone on this blog has ever posted anything to suggest George Allen is anyone’s “darling.” That is an outright lie.

    Just because you say something as though it is a fact, does not make it so and I will call you on it.

    Please apologize for your accusation immediately, Ian.

    Comment by Bruce (GayPatriot) — August 31, 2006 @ 3:53 pm - August 31, 2006

  23. NDT,
    I am really laughing now.
    You provide a link to your own comment as a cite.
    As if to prove the point you have nothing to new to say, you provide a link to yourself, which in turn provides more links to yourself…
    Hilarious. -

    Comment by keogh — August 31, 2006 @ 4:11 pm - August 31, 2006

  24. Bruce,
    You assert fact all the time, you say “Kerry is Destroying America” which is clearly hate mongering crap.
    I am not defending Ian, as he is more capable then me.
    But since you are starting the apology wagon, I am hoping you apologize to every veteran for your hate filled partisan title.

    Comment by keogh — August 31, 2006 @ 4:12 pm - August 31, 2006

  25. You provide a link to your own comment as a cite.

    Because that is where I archived it.

    I see no reason in wasting time retyping something I already wrote.

    But I understand your point; you simply are trying to avoid answering for why you and IanRaj support the examples of racism that were clearly outlined for you here, for starters.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — August 31, 2006 @ 5:08 pm - August 31, 2006

  26. Caralato says:

    Wait, I get it now.

    V, that quote he attributed to you came from Matt in #4. So he attacked you over someone else’s comment.

    Yup, I certainly did. Tis difficult to keep all the nuts in this bowl “straight”.

    Caralato says:

    Let the record also show that, in fact, I quoted Gryph accurately and directly addressed/answered the issue he brought up. To wit: I rejected his claim that Blackwell’s actions were wrong.

    Once again, Gryph talks the mirror in his attempts to impugn others.

    Does Gryph think we all can’t simply read the thread? LOL

    The “record” shows quite clearly that you did nothing of the sort. Instead you have simply piled another attack on top of your previous one. Declaring that the moon is made of green cheese doesn’t make it so Caralato. Not even if the pronouncement is made by you.

    NDT says:

    And again to you, Gryph, we are waiting for proof that either you or Kerry are criticizing Democratic officials for enforcing laws governing voter registration, requirements for valid addresses, and other such voting safeguards by which you accuse Blackwell of “intimidating and suppressing voters”.

    Liar, liar, pants on fire NDT.
    Exactly when and where did I accuse Blackwell of ““intimidating and suppressing voters”. Care to point that out? I didn’t even say that I agreed with Kerry in the first place.

    Really NDT, its not like there is any shortage of things that we disagree on. Why did you have to make something up?

    Are you taking a play from Caralato’s little book on “How to be a Drama Queen?” Go read something else NDT.

    Comment by Patrick (Gryph) — August 31, 2006 @ 5:58 pm - August 31, 2006

  27. #26 – A further step into surrealism. Again, anyone can read this thread’s contents for themselves.

    Guys – How many more rational responses to Gryph do you think it will take to send him into outright screeching of names, profanities, or other insults?

    Whoops, my bad! He’s (1) already been there today. In fact, he’s (2) gone there several times this week. One could almost say that it seems like (3) all he’s done lately. Except, that would be misleadingly incomplete, because it’s such a large percentage of (4) what he’s done in the past as well.

    So much for the (5) “class” that Gryph believes he is known for.

    ROTFLMAO :-)

    Gryph, it only took minutes to whip those up examples in the search facility – you’re such a Johnny one-note. Like I said, 4 were from just this week.

    With that – you’ve officially bored me now. Bye for this thread!!

    Comment by Calarato — August 31, 2006 @ 6:58 pm - August 31, 2006

  28. Exactly when and where did I accuse Blackwell of ““intimidating and suppressing voters”. Care to point that out? I didn’t even say that I agreed with Kerry in the first place.

    Of course not. You only bashed Blackwell, like Kerry did, for your entire #2 post.

    What you’re trying to do, Gryph, is to plant seeds of suspicion in the voters’ minds, but not make it blatantly obvious. I simply am calling you out on the fact that, since you bash Blackwell like Kerry, that you agree with Kerry.

    Feel free to say that you don’t agree with Kerry, that Kerry’s accusations have no basis in fact, and — this is the kicker — that the “suspicion in voters’ minds” is in fact based only on Kerry’s accusations and is not a rational assessment of the situation or the facts involved.

    Your logic somehow hinges on the belief that Kerry would not be accusing Blackwell falsely if Blackwell had not been Bush’s honorary co-campaign chair. The fact that Kerry is accusing Blackwell falsely is actually proof that Kerry would accuse Blackwell regardless of the facts of the situation; thus, you are blaming Blackwell for not doing something to accomodate Kerry’s irrational and partisan behavior.

    In short, were you in SF right now, you’d be claiming that it’s the fault of the victims who were run down, not the psychopathic driver, because they didn’t anticipate that there could be a psycho on the street and alter their routes accordingly.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — August 31, 2006 @ 8:12 pm - August 31, 2006

  29. #20: “V, that quote he attributed to you came from Matt in #4. So he attacked you over someone else’s comment.”

    Well, it’s understandable since those two, v-the-k/matt, are pretty much indistinguishable. Maybe they just use the same talking points.

    Comment by Ian — August 31, 2006 @ 9:18 pm - August 31, 2006

  30. #22 “I’d like you to show me where anyone on this blog has ever posted anything to suggest George Allen is anyone’s “darling.””

    NDT, Bobo and Peter Hughes leapt to Allen’s defense. Here are some examples:

    http://gaypatriot.net/?comments_popup=1581#comment-93757 Peter Hughes: “this incident will probably be forgotten by next month because IT DOESN’T MEAN ANYTHING.”

    http://gaypatriot.net/?comments_popup=1581#comment-93762 Bobo calls criticism of Allen “a big load of Bullescheiss.”

    Defense of Allen by NDT using attacks on Dems: http://gaypatriot.net/?comments_popup=1581#comment-94008
    http://gaypatriot.net/?comments_popup=1581#comment-93577
    http://gaypatriot.net/?comments_popup=1581#comment-93740

    Not once that I could find did NDT or Peter Hughes express condemnation of Allen for his remarks. Nor did they object when I stated that they would no doubt support him for President were he to be the GOP nominee. As far as I can tell, not one commenter/poster – and I like others, use the terms interchangeably – has come out and stated categorically that Allen’s vile racist attack on the young man not to mention his racist background is incompatible with Allen being President. That strongly suggests to any fair-minded person that their support for Allen is unshakeable. How much more of a “darling” candidate could he be? Perhaps I have misunderstood the sentiment here; if so, please enlighten me.

    Comment by Ian — August 31, 2006 @ 10:08 pm - August 31, 2006

  31. John Kerry won my state of Pennsylvania by 144, 000 votes in the ’04 election. When I voted early that Tuesday morning the lines were extremely long. I’ve never waited so long to vote. Most all the people in line were white and non gay. The Governor and Auditor General of Pennsylvania were Democrats. Who do I see about a recount?

    Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — August 31, 2006 @ 10:35 pm - August 31, 2006

  32. IanRaj – Nice try but in the comment that you cite I was responding to the RajIan (or was it IanRaj) assertion that Clinton left Bush an undimished military and so could claim credit for the sucesses of our armed forces. That is truly Bullescheiss indeed.

    You also ignore my comment in the same thread “OK, let me be clear. Allen said something mean and stupid and has apologised for it. I am (not) that much of a fan of his.” Kind of destroys your bogus argument in #30.

    You also declined my challenge to denounce the racist KKK leader/recruiter Robert Byrd (D) WV. Not so good for your credibility Mr. Kettle Black. Using you rationale, that strongly suggests to any fair-minded person that you must be a secret Ayran Klan lover. Of course I could be wrong but it’s always better to make unsupported accusations than to deal in facts, isn’t it?

    My suggestion is to get your really, really close buddy Raj in to change the subject pronto.

    Comment by BoBo — September 1, 2006 @ 12:37 am - September 1, 2006

  33. #32: “You also ignore my comment in the same thread “OK, let me be clear. Allen said something mean and stupid and has apologised for it. I am (not) that much of a fan of his.” Kind of destroys your bogus argument in #30.”

    Oh right, now you casually stick a “not” in the sentence to completely change what you previously said. Well, in fact, you’ll notice that I did NOT include you among those who had not “[condemned] Allen for his remarks.” In any event, neither you nor anyone else “has come out and stated categorically that Allen’s vile racist attack on the young man not to mention his racist background is incompatible with Allen being President.”

    As for Byrd, I HAVE condemned him: he shouldn’t be in the Senate and I wouldn’t vote for him for dog catcher let alone any higher elected office. But you guys give Allen a pass: you refuse to call his vile racist insult what it is, instead, you merely tut-tut it as being “mean” and “stupid.”

    Comment by Ian — September 1, 2006 @ 1:37 am - September 1, 2006

  34. NDT accuses:

    What you’re trying to do, Gryph, is to plant seeds of suspicion in the voters’ minds, but not make it blatantly obvious. I simply am calling you out on the fact that, since you bash Blackwell like Kerry, that you agree with Kerry.

    Well NDT, I’m sure that there are Democrats who have done the same thing as Blackwell, and its just as self-serving and stupid when they do it too. I don’t have to “plant seeds of doubt” because this kind hubris always does.

    Unless of course, you are such a partisan-driven robot that your drive to win overrides and blinds any sense of morality or even just plain common sense.

    At the moment, the two people who come to mind that apparently fit that description are you NDT, …. and John Kerry.

    Oddly enough, Caralato does not; His movtives I suspect are more personal.

    Comment by Patrick (Gryph) — September 1, 2006 @ 10:00 am - September 1, 2006

  35. re: Matt’s comment in #4:

    And until the progressive GOP can push racists and bigots out of the electoral component of Ohio, Blackwell can never win.

    This is laughable. Blackwell is the bigot. He believes homosexuality is a choice and one can pray away the gayness. His disgusting comparison between gays and barnyard animals, pedophiles and thieves is reprehensible. That’s why he shouldn’t be elected.

    Naturally, though, he’ll conquer the 25 point deficit in the polls; afterall, he’s in cahoots with diebold. They stole the ’04 election in OH and they’ll do it again.

    Comment by rightiswrong — September 1, 2006 @ 10:02 am - September 1, 2006

  36. #33 I stuck the (not) in there because of my typo in the original post. I think that it’s pretty obvious from the context that it was supposed to be there.

    Regarding you other point, one mans vile racist remark is anothers stupid but forgivable mistake. I think that is a case of hypersensitivity. IMHO Allen ( and I’ve met him) is not that appealing on policy grounds, not a silly comment.

    Killing a woman while drunk didn’t disqualify Kennedy.
    “Welcome to Hymietown didn’t disquality Jackson
    Tawana Brawley hasn’t disqualified Sharpton
    Falsely accusing American soldiers of wholesale torture and genocide hasn’t disqualified Kerry
    The search for ManBearPig hasn’t disqualified Gore

    So why does using a word that nobody really knows the definition of disqualify you?

    Comment by BoBo — September 1, 2006 @ 12:12 pm - September 1, 2006

  37. Ian (#30) — None of the examples you cited (all from commenters, none from Dan and I — interestingly) fall far short of your characterization of anyone on this blog calling George Allen a “darling.”

    Now for my personal comment that I’ve been holding back on. I absolutely do not like Sen. Allen though I voted for him as a former Virginia resident. He is at the BOTTOM of my list of 2008 GOP potential nominees.

    The reason I have personally not commented on his racial slur is because it is the news you see everywhere else and for the umpteenth time, we try to take different angles here.

    The other reason is I think the news coverage of Allen’s slur is as stupid as his comments. The hypocrisy of the media coverage of Allen and the silence and tolerance by the media of repeated hate-mongering comments from liberals (Byrd, Jackson, Sharpton, etc., etc., etc.) is mind-boggling.

    Comment by Bruce (GayPatriot) — September 1, 2006 @ 12:26 pm - September 1, 2006

  38. Well, in fact, you’ll notice that I did NOT include you among those who had not “[condemned] Allen for his remarks.”

    But you tried to spin the following first:

    NDT, Bobo and Peter Hughes leapt to Allen’s defense. Here are some examples:

    You keep wanting to spin it both ways, IanRaj, and you keep tripping over the facts.

    And you continue to dodge the proof of the racism practiced by your fellow Democrats, including the blackface pictures produced and endorsed by your favorite Senate wannabe — mainly because you can’t run away from the facts.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — September 1, 2006 @ 12:30 pm - September 1, 2006

  39. How interesting.

    Here you refer to the Democratic Party under its proper name, but a few hours later you pulled the classic GOP rhetorical “trick” (it’s not really a trick, more like a tic) of calling it the “Democrat Party.”

    Make up your mind already!

    Comment by vaara — September 1, 2006 @ 12:35 pm - September 1, 2006

  40. Well NDT, I’m sure that there are Democrats who have done the same thing as Blackwell, and its just as self-serving and stupid when they do it too.

    You’re avoiding the main point, Gryph.

    Feel free to say that you don’t agree with Kerry, that Kerry’s accusations have no basis in fact, and — this is the kicker — that the “suspicion in voters’ minds” is in fact based only on Kerry’s accusations and is not a rational assessment of the situation or the facts involved.

    I don’t think that being an election official and an honorary co-chair of someone’s campaign is necessarily grounds for automatic suspicion, regardless of the party. But what I was hoping you’d do is to admit directly what Kerry was doing.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — September 1, 2006 @ 1:44 pm - September 1, 2006

  41. And, NDT:

    “Well NDT, I’m sure that there are Democrats who have done the same thing as Blackwell, and its just as self-serving and stupid when they do it too.”

    How convenient for Gryph to pop up NOW (this thread) and claim to feel that way.

    Has he criticized, or even named, Democrats who’ve acted that way – up to this point? I.e., before my calling him on it here? I doubt it.

    Gryph’s big attempted posture on this blog is that he’s non-partisan or centrist or whatever. And he may well be a registered Independent, like me. But honest, longtime readers know that his participation on this blog somehow always cuts in favor of the Democrats. I mean, when he isn’t just putting down the hosts or other commentors.

    Now let the screeching names, profanities, etc. commence! ;-)

    Comment by Calarato — September 1, 2006 @ 2:02 pm - September 1, 2006

  42. P.S. For general information: My own posture is that I used to love the Democrats, but, they’ve sure gone off a cliff since, oh, 2003. And because that’s true, it is of course, no mere posture.

    2004 is the only time I’ve ever voted a Republican ticket. And, rightly or wrongly, I voted Lieberman in the primary and preferred him at the time over Bush, whom I have criticized publicly many times.

    Comment by Calarato — September 1, 2006 @ 2:10 pm - September 1, 2006

  43. The hypocrisy of the media coverage of Allen and the silence and tolerance by the media of repeated hate-mongering comments from liberals (Byrd, Jackson, Sharpton, etc., etc., etc.) is mind-boggling.

    Don’t forget Hillary, “Mohanids Gandhi was some guy who ran a gas station,” and Joe “Proud that Delaware was a Slave State” Biden.

    Comment by V the K — September 1, 2006 @ 3:02 pm - September 1, 2006

  44. Its obvious to us all that Allen is awful, most of the intellectually honest of you have admitted it. The reason he is awful is his pattern of racist attitudes.
    It is ridiculous, as VK does, to take one or two sentences out of context show that someone is racist.
    However, when there is a person with a pattern like Allen, we all can agree:
    He is one.
    I am glad we have cleared that up.

    Comment by keogh — September 1, 2006 @ 3:32 pm - September 1, 2006

  45. My comment was on the act of being both a campaign chair and elections official, which I think is wrong, and also simply politically and PR-wise a stupid move.

    NDT says:

    I don’t think that being an election official and an honorary co-chair of someone’s campaign is necessarily grounds for automatic suspicion, regardless of the party. But what I was hoping you’d do is to admit directly what Kerry was doing.

    Why? I don’t give a damn about what Kerry was doing. So he was attempting to smear another political candidate. Gee-golly-willickers Batman. Like thats never, ever, been done before. Sheesh. Its expected. Frankly, any outrage and surprise that at this point I could possibility produce would be stale and manufactured. Of course he smeared his opponent. He’s a politician. Whats so difficult to grasp about this concept? You don’t actually think the GOP hesitates in any way to do their best to return the favor to the Democrats do you? Considering all the nasty comments that come across about Democrats constantly on this blog, I don’t see how you can possibly be outraged that Democrats have proven themselves to be just as nasty. And if the position’s were reversed, Blackwell is just as willing to try and smear Kerry. Isn’t that the goal? It simply doesn’t matter. This is the game that both Parties play. I’m sick and tired of being told I have to be “outraged” at this or that thing that either anyone in either Party is doing or saying. I’m not interested in being so cynically manipulated any more. Real life doesn’t have to be like living in the middle of a Bill O’Reilly rage-a-thon. So wake up and smell the reality.

    Caralato’s usual pus-filled invective:

    Gryph’s big attempted posture on this blog is that he’s non-partisan or centrist or whatever. And he may well be a registered Independent, like me. But honest, longtime readers know that his participation on this blog somehow always cuts in favor of the Democrats. I mean, when he isn’t just putting down the hosts or other commentors.

    And of course, St. Caralato of the Blogsnever insults other commenter’s or blog owners. . Oh boy, yet MORE manufactured outrage. With a little self-righteous Church Lady dance thrown in for good measure. I think you’d better pay a little more attention to your own posture Caralato, it doesn’t show a very flattering figure.

    Oh, and what happened to: “With that – you’ve officially bored me now. Bye for this thread!! “. You know, that big dramatic Mae West flourish you were attempting as you swept out of the blog room?

    Comment by Patrick (Gryph) — September 1, 2006 @ 7:34 pm - September 1, 2006

  46. So he was attempting to smear another political candidate.

    And there you go, Gryph.

    There is no evidence to indicate that Blackwell manipulated the vote; nor should there automatically be suspicion on him because he was Secretary of State of Ohio and an honorary co-chair of the Bush campaign.

    Kerry lied and continues to lie in an attempt to smear Blackwell politically.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — September 2, 2006 @ 12:02 pm - September 2, 2006

  47. Democrats live in such a fantasy-world of arrogance and denial that it is inconceivable to them that they could ever lose an election unless there was cheating.

    Comment by V the K — September 2, 2006 @ 12:43 pm - September 2, 2006

  48. You know guys, something funny about the Democrats’ claim is that even if another 115,000 votes of the Ohio electorate could have gone their way – which we know is quite impossible (it’s a solid two percent of the electorate, in an already very high-turnout election) – they still would have lost the American popular vote by several million votes.

    I know: We live in an Electoral College system. But in 2000, one of the MadLibDems’ big arguments for Gore’s destructive, petty recounts was “He’s entitled because he won the popular vote” – right?

    Newsflash, libs: Gore only won the nationwide popular vote in 2000 by 500,000 of so. Bush won it in 2004 by three million. Six times the margin!

    Comment by Calarato — September 2, 2006 @ 1:54 pm - September 2, 2006

  49. Patrick, three simple words of advice: “Check your meds”.

    You fell off the wagon of reasoned debate so long along ago I doubt you remember what it felt like to even ride in the wagon –let alone have your “contribution” to the debate taken in serious consideration.

    Petulant Patrick. Pure petulance. You’ve eclipsed the raj/Ian/blah sockpuppets.

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — September 5, 2006 @ 8:20 am - September 5, 2006

  50. Bruce,
    I was hoping to read an apology from you for the title of this post.
    Its hate filled, idiotic and an obvious attempt to deride a man who has fought for this country.
    I thought that type of vitriol crap is beneath you.
    But I guess I shouldn’t hope that you would actually have an original political thought…

    Comment by keogh — September 5, 2006 @ 10:31 am - September 5, 2006

  51. Its hate filled, idiotic and an obvious attempt to deride a man who has fought for this country.

    LOL….Benedict Arnold also “fought for this country”, but casually turned around and tried to betray it when a) he didn’t get the promotions he wanted and b) when he didn’t get the public adulation he wanted.

    In revenge, he offered the enemy the key strongpoint on the Hudson River — which, had they succeeded in taking it, would have effectively split the colonies in two and quite possibly broken the back of the Revolution.

    In a similar fashion, we see Kerry’s practice.

    Kerry didn’t care that the Vietnamese Communists were planning to murder, torture, and “re-educate” millions of people when he bargained with them in an attempt to increase his political standing in the US.

    Kerry didn’t care that his lies in front of Congress would lead to more undeserved hate and chants of “baby killer” against his fellow Vietnam vets — because his doing so would get him the support of antiwar and anti-military Democrats like Jane Fonda.

    Kerry has demonstrated throughout his political history that John Kerry comes first and that he will sacrifice any group if he thinks it will advance him politically — including the portion of the American public that doesn’t believe in appeasing terrorists and blaming the United States for terrorist attacks against it.

    In short, Kerry will give away West Point to Osama bin Laden if it will help him get elected.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — September 5, 2006 @ 11:56 am - September 5, 2006

  52. “In short, Kerry will give away West Point to Osama bin Laden if it will help him get elected.”
    That along with your comparison to Kerry and Arnold is laughably ridiculous
    You are so blinded by ideology that you have poisoned yourself with your own venom and have become irrelevant.
    But it shows what rightists do when someone who has seen war tells the truth and suggests new tactics…you SLANDER him/her

    Comment by keogh — September 5, 2006 @ 12:32 pm - September 5, 2006

  53. But it shows what rightists do when someone who has seen war tells the truth and suggests new tactics…you SLANDER him/her

    But you see, Keogh, Kerry repeatedly demonstrated that he did NOT tell the truth.

    He admitted that he had lied about several details of his missions in Vietnam, including his “Christmas in Cambodia” claim.

    He admitted that he had lied to Congress and deliberately exaggerated events in Vietnam to make the situation look worse.

    He slandered numerous Republican AND Democratic veterans by his support of Democratic leftists like Jane Fonda, who said that these people were “baby killers” and deserved to be tortured.

    Furthermore, Keogh, the reason you are dodging and spinning rather than confronting the fact that the Vietnamese Communists who Kerry “engaged” ended up killing, murdering, and torturing millions of people is because it undermines your own argument — that appeasing genocidal and hate-filled terror groups will lead to peace.

    What it leads to is the US turning its back while people are systematically eradicated based on their skin color, religious beliefs, or national origin — but I suppose with groups that you and Kerry find undesirable, like the Vietnamese or Jews, that isn’t a problem.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — September 5, 2006 @ 1:44 pm - September 5, 2006

  54. Good comments NDT, except that saying Kerry “admitted” his own lies may be too strong a word.

    Kerry has backed away from his “Christmas in Cambodia” story, true. But to my knowledge, he has never “admitted” it was an outright fabrication – as, of course, it was. (For details, here is one place to start from: http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/002203.php)

    Likewise, Kerry may have backed away from his sensational and false 1971 Congressional testimony that launched the “Vietnam baby killer” myth and Kerry’s own fame. But, to my knowledge, he has never apologized for it, i.e., never “admitted” his falsehoods.

    Finally – keogh would do well to recall the meaning of the word “slander”. It isn’t a slander, if it’s true. Truth is an absolute defense against charges of slander. Any point the right wing makes about Kerry that happens to be true, is, by definition, no slander.

    Comment by Calarato — September 5, 2006 @ 2:03 pm - September 5, 2006

  55. The problem with rightists is that if you allege something enough it becoems true.
    Not whether or not it actually is fact.
    When the facts are not clear, you rightists assert that you are the holders of the truth.
    And you assert your ideas as truth again and again and again until you foolishly actually believe in your own version of the truth.
    Fact:
    Did Kerry pull that republican out of the water under enemy fire?
    Yes he did.
    So he is a war veteran and the person who he pulled out of the water has called him a HERO.
    Is suggesting different tactics “continuing to destroy” America?
    No it is not, and he shouldn’t be slandered by the likes of Bruce and NDT.
    That’s the point.
    Calarato, it maybe good for you to distance yourself from Slanderers such as NDT.
    They lead you down the path of intellectual ridiculousism.
    But it maybe to late for you.

    Comment by keogh — September 5, 2006 @ 2:41 pm - September 5, 2006

  56. LOL….again, Keogh, Benedict Arnold won several battles for the American cause during the Revolution and could quite rightly be called a hero for his valor under fire.

    But given his actions, that heroism really means very little, doesn’t it?

    Perhaps Kerry can explain why he pulled that person out of the water — and then went on to lie and slander them before the US Congress to enhance his political career.

    Perhaps Kerry can explain why he claimed that the welfare of the Vietnamese people was his concern in lying about the war — especially when he did everything in his power to facilitate their being handed over to murderous thugs who killed and tortured millions of them.

    The true war hero type is someone like John McCain — who not only showed bravery under fire, but can also stand next to someone like Kerry who supported torturing and brutally imprisoning McCain because he was a “baby killer” without decking him.

    Kerry is like Benedict Arnold — to enhance his own prestige and power, he would willingly hand the US over to terrorists and their supporters. Kerry’s “new tactics” involve systematically blinding our intelligence services, withdrawing our armed forces to places they can’t act, gutting our defense capabilities, and giving genocidal maniacs like Hizbollah the “open season” that they want on Jews without fear of reprisal.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — September 5, 2006 @ 2:57 pm - September 5, 2006

  57. “Kerry is like Benedict Arnold — to enhance his own prestige and power, he would willingly hand the US over to terrorists and their supporters.”

    Another laughably ridiculous Slander by NDT.
    You have become a parody or yourself.

    Comment by keogh — September 5, 2006 @ 3:08 pm - September 5, 2006

  58. NDXXX, I hadn’t contemplated the comparison of Kerry to Gen Benedict Arnold –but it works on a number of levels as you point out.

    Just because keogh-of-the-lower-case-clan doesn’t tolerate the truth, doesn’t make it any less credible a comparison. I’ve been toying with a similar comparsion: Gore and Aaron Burr –both egotists supreme who have snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — September 6, 2006 @ 2:08 pm - September 6, 2006

  59. I always thought John Murtha was a good comparison to Benedict Arnold, but Kerry actually is the better comparison.

    It’s interesting that the Greatest Democrat War Hero is a guy who spent four months in Vietnam and got purple hearts for, basically, cuts and scratches that didn’t even require hospitalization.

    Comment by V the K — September 6, 2006 @ 3:18 pm - September 6, 2006

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