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  1. Wish Republicans gave a damn. They will certainly gain seats in November, and will equally certainly do absolutely nothing about unemployment or the unemployed. We have truly wrecked this economy, starting with the Bush years.

    Comment by Little Boots — August 21, 2010 @ 5:26 pm - August 21, 2010

  2. So you guys tag team? That works, I guess.

    Comment by Little Boots — August 21, 2010 @ 5:41 pm - August 21, 2010

  3. LB, it doesn’t sound like you have much understanding of what policies would actually cure unemployment. Amazon has a book for you: http://www.amazon.com/How-Economy-Grows-Why-Crashes/dp/047052670X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1282427744&sr=1-1

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — August 21, 2010 @ 5:56 pm - August 21, 2010

  4. Thank you for the recommendation, person in love with an economic system. What do Republicans want to do about our ridiculous unemployment rates, specifically, come January, assuming they capture either house of Congress? And can you point to any Republican saying publicly what their plan is?

    Comment by Little Boots — August 21, 2010 @ 5:58 pm - August 21, 2010

  5. LB, it still doesn’t sound like you have much understanding of what policies would actually cure unemployment. Amazon still has a book for you: http://www.amazon.com/How-Economy-Grows-Why-Crashes/dp/047052670X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1282427744&sr=1-1

    Read it first, then we’ll talk.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — August 21, 2010 @ 6:01 pm - August 21, 2010

  6. And it still doesn’t sound like you or any Republican has an actual, practical plan for turning this economy around. If not, again I ask you, what is that plan?

    Comment by Little Boots — August 21, 2010 @ 6:03 pm - August 21, 2010

  7. LB, you’ve erred in thinking that I’m a Republican.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — August 21, 2010 @ 6:05 pm - August 21, 2010

  8. And as it happens: I have an extremely practical plan for turning this economy around. But until you acquire some elementary understanding of economics, you wouldn’t understand my answer. Later :-)

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — August 21, 2010 @ 6:06 pm - August 21, 2010

  9. I apologize for linking you with that gang of thieves. So, what would you do, now, if you were asked to turn this crappy economy around? (And if you say tax cuts for billionaires, I will kick you in the shins, metaphorically of course.)

    Comment by Little Boots — August 21, 2010 @ 6:07 pm - August 21, 2010

  10. Really? You’re doing the “my plan is too brilliant for you to possibly understand” bit? Fascinating.

    Comment by Little Boots — August 21, 2010 @ 6:09 pm - August 21, 2010

  11. lb I’ve included a link to Rep Paul Ryans site that details his roadmap for solving not just our economic ills but health care, S Security and others.
    Our improving economy is tied to tax reform and market health care reform as Rep Ryan points out.
    This liberal clap trap, that no one else has plans to deal with serious issues except socialists spending more of the productive class income is boloney.
    http://www.roadmap.republicans.budget.house.gov/Plan/

    Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — August 21, 2010 @ 7:00 pm - August 21, 2010

  12. What do Republicans want to do about our ridiculous unemployment rates, specifically, come January, assuming they capture either house of Congress? And can you point to any Republican saying publicly what their plan is?

    They have a very simple plan, and every Republican candidate is talking about it.

    Step 1. Stop the “progressive” agenda that is preventing the economy from recovering. If you knew the first thing about the “economic system” which until Karl Marx coined the phrase “capitalism” so that he could demonize it, was known simply as “freedom”, you would know that the economy is not recovering because the people who create all the wealth which “progressives” then steal, businesses, entrepreneurs, and citizens in the private sector, are terrified of what Democrats will do next. Everyone is afraid to invest, afraid to hire, afraid to take risks because no one knows what industry the Fascist “progressives” will seize next, what massive new taxes Fascist “progressives” are going to impose to pay for all the massive new government they have grown, what massive new regulations Fascist “progressives” are going to impose to control private enterprise.

    The first and most important step in triage is to stop the bleeding and remove what is causing the bleeding. The Fascist president and Fascist “progressive” Democrats are what is causing the bleeding.

    Comment by American Elephant — August 21, 2010 @ 7:01 pm - August 21, 2010

  13. The map of the liberal Imam Obama economic virus is fascinating and horrifying.

    Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — August 21, 2010 @ 7:05 pm - August 21, 2010

  14. And George W. Bush did all of that crap. Why aren’t we in paradise? We had 8, actually we’ve had nearly 30 years, of feed-the-rich economics. It’s produced precisely Jack Squat. New plan needed. Sorry to make you think but if you have an ounce of patriotism, as your nym implies, you’re just going to have to do something besides spout Republican talking points.

    Comment by Little Boots — August 21, 2010 @ 7:05 pm - August 21, 2010

  15. Have you seen this?
    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2010/08/21/open-thread-george-w-bush-greets-troops-dfw#comments

    While Imam Obama is on vacation, our former President Bush, does what he does better than anyone…
    shows the troops, he loves em!!And he genuinely looks like he loves being amongst them! God Bless you Mr President.

    Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — August 21, 2010 @ 7:08 pm - August 21, 2010

  16. hey boots the great USof A didn’t get to be the greatest nation in the history of the world by being an Obama socialist nanny state. Grow up and get a job.

    Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — August 21, 2010 @ 7:10 pm - August 21, 2010

  17. A fact for the liberals…..the highest unemployment rates in the US currently are in the most liberal most Democrat cities and states.Just a fact, deal with it.

    Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — August 21, 2010 @ 7:11 pm - August 21, 2010

  18. Actually, nitwit, it got to be a great power on the back of tariffs, not blundering into stupid adventures abroad, and actually giving a crap about manufactures. But hey, if you want to live in your Limbaugh fantasy, carry on. Just please don’t vote or any way try to influence this once great country. Thanks in advance.

    Comment by Little Boots — August 21, 2010 @ 7:14 pm - August 21, 2010

  19. Honestly, maybe we all need to climb down, starting with me. Say we’re starting fresh, without all the bitterness of the past few decades, and we all want to help this country recover from this crappy economy. What do we do?

    I say serious tariffs. You?

    Comment by Little Boots — August 21, 2010 @ 7:35 pm - August 21, 2010

  20. Actually, nitwit, it got to be a great power on the back of tariffs

    Not a student of history, are you, Little Boots?

    Now tell us, how does handouts and welfare checks like your Obama Party and you demand help the economy? Why do you live under the delusion that paying people like you to sit at home and do nothing all day is good for the economy? Don’t you realize that American goods are uncompetitive on the world market because the need to support lazy freeloaders like yourself adds immense amounts of cost to manufacturing them?

    If you want to help this country, get off welfare and get a job. Start adding to the economy instead of subtracting.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — August 21, 2010 @ 7:53 pm - August 21, 2010

  21. NDT, if you seriously think that the reason for outsourcing and the “uncompetitive” wages we offer is “freeloaders” you are hopeless. Seriously, you live in a fantasy world where everyone is just praying for the scraps from your table, don’t you. And I do have a job, and it’s actually pretty good, and this is not about me. Many people are trying to get a job, any job, and that’s the problem. Do you have any ideas for that, or are you really the caricature of conservatism that just can’t be bothered to give a damn.

    Comment by Little Boots — August 21, 2010 @ 7:57 pm - August 21, 2010

  22. Too busy pumping oil into the Gulf, NDT, or do you have an answer?

    Comment by Little Boots — August 21, 2010 @ 8:06 pm - August 21, 2010

  23. ahh see leftists eventually let you know what they think and how they stand. LB…..”this once great country”…..
    Like Michelle Obama, who finally became proud of her country only 2 years ago. Liberal Dems hate America. I think that’s sad.

    Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — August 21, 2010 @ 8:45 pm - August 21, 2010

  24. Little Boots:

    We have thrown an enormous amount of stimulus and TARP money at the problem, but we have no recovery and a great deal of educated concern that we may slide backward as opposed to holding even or improving.

    You want to know what Republicans would do as if anything you hear would make a lick of difference in your deep seated bias toward the “progressive” fundamental transformation of the free market.

    Here is something for you to explain to me: The huge and growing more pervasive government has spent untold amounts of our children’s money on targeted programs as the means of stimulating the economy. Where is the evidence that it has actually worked? Why is it anathema to “progressives” to cut government and let the people choose how spend more of their money by lowering their tax burden? How is it that our welfare recipients are in the upper 15% on the world income index, but they can not possibly survive with less of other people’s money?

    Before anyone here sets himself up as a target for your fun and games, why don’t you take the high road and convince us that state socialism is the one true way out of this mess.

    Comment by heliotrope — August 21, 2010 @ 8:48 pm - August 21, 2010

  25. As a business owner, some facts….
    I employ 200-250 people.
    This summer when our ranks usually swell to 250, we did not hire. We remained at 200 workers. Why….as the owner you have to look ahead to how government is going to punish business owners. Higher taxes, higher healthcare costs, higher fees, more paperwork more regulation, more inspections. all lead to less cash flow. As the owner your options are limited. The quickest way to control costs is CUT LABOR. Business after business has taken this same approach since the DAY it bacame apparent Obama, the liberal socialist was going to be elected. Not election night but about 30-45 days BEFORE election night. Look up the unemployment numbers and see when the layoffs and firings began.
    Democrats want to attack business and corporations, fine, fix the unemployment problem yourselves. Thousands of independent small business people have decided to sit back and watch.

    Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — August 21, 2010 @ 8:51 pm - August 21, 2010

  26. NDT, if you seriously think that the reason for outsourcing and the “uncompetitive” wages we offer is “freeloaders” you are hopeless.

    Missing a bit of knowledge, aren’t you, Little Boots?

    But this is no surprise. You whine about the need for “jobs” when your entire economic plan rests on punishing and attacking those who spend the money that produces them.

    Do I have a plan for producing jobs? Yes. Eliminate ObamaCare, which penalizes companies for hiring additional individuals. Reduce the corporate tax rate, which encourages corporations to expand and pumps more wealth back into the economy. Enforce immigration regulations, which makes more jobs available for legal citizens. Make it clear that the government will honor contracts and will require people to pay the debts they have incurred.

    In short, put some stability back and get rid of the wealth redistributors who want to punish those who work and reward those who don’t.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — August 21, 2010 @ 8:54 pm - August 21, 2010

  27. Gene does the collapse of demand enter into your calculations at all, or is it all about the dread government? What is wrong with you? Do you seriously expect us to believe that in a near depression you’d be hiring workers to sell to nonexistent customers if only Obama hadn’t upset you? Seriously?

    Comment by Little Boots — August 21, 2010 @ 8:55 pm - August 21, 2010

  28. Bush did all that and more, NDT, why did the end of his presidency suck so relentlessly when it came to economics? Why, exactly? And do you have anything to offer besides, give me more money and eveything will be fine?

    Comment by Little Boots — August 21, 2010 @ 8:57 pm - August 21, 2010

  29. Also, do you own a company? Do you outsource? Do you think that costs jobs?

    Comment by Little Boots — August 21, 2010 @ 8:58 pm - August 21, 2010

  30. Sorry, I should specify, do you think outsourcing costs American jobs, not jobs in India and China? Do you care?

    Comment by Little Boots — August 21, 2010 @ 8:59 pm - August 21, 2010

  31. And George W. Bush did all of that crap. Why aren’t we in paradise?

    We were, albeit not by liberal standards, until the liberals took over Congress. We had an unemployment rate of about 5%, about four years of added jobs, record treasury revenues etc. Then the libs came to town spending like mad (drunken sailors spend their own money). The bill for their “Free Homes For All” program came due.

    The last budget Bush was responsible for had a deficit of $162 billion. The libs had a deficit of $165 billion for July alone. Does that sound like we’re on the right track?

    Until Hoover and FDR, “eeeeevil big business” handled economic depressions and recessions on their own. When government got involved, they managed to stretch the Great Depression out to 20 years as opposed to a year or so.

    I noticed you added the caveat “practical plan” because you know damn well that Republicans have been offering solutions, just not the ones you like. It’s coming to pass that Keynesianism is a failure, but it’s adherents don’t want to give up the power and the ability to stop spending OPM. Fact of the matter is that you need “the rich” (ie. anybody with a job) spending more of the money THEY earned rather than the feds spending the money on unneeded buses, bullet trains and tunnels for turtles.

    BTW, it’s coming to pass that the feds (USCG) caused the oil leak, not BP. And thanks to the liberals and the State run drive-by media for killing the Gulf Coast economy. You did more damage to business, jobs, tourism, property values etc. than BP could have EVER done, if they were so inclined. Who’s gonna clean up the even bigger mess of liberal bullshit spread all over the GOM? That’s what’s REALLY choking and poisoning us.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — August 21, 2010 @ 9:00 pm - August 21, 2010

  32. Do you seriously expect us to believe that in a near depression you’d be hiring workers to sell to nonexistent customers if only Obama hadn’t upset you?

    Why would there be nonexistent customers?

    Oh, right, because you tax the people who buy things out of existence, which means they have no money to spend and which shrinks the economy.

    You punish the banks by insisting that those who buy things they cannot afford can ignore the bill, which means they have less to lend to people who buy sensibly.

    And because you have stated, as Obama did, that he will confiscate wealth and take things away from people because they make too much money?

    Seriously, Little Boots. Do welfare liberals like you think we’re going to put effort into working to make payments to you?

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — August 21, 2010 @ 9:01 pm - August 21, 2010

  33. If the president and the majority party in Congress were ideologically Marxist, hostile to business, and in the back pocket of the labor unions, it would be rather easy to reverse these trends.

    1. 0% Corporate tax on manufacturing.
    2. 0% Capital Gains
    3. National Right-to-Work legislation.
    4. No employer health-insurance mandate.
    5. Streamlined approval for new factories, power plants, and refineries.

    But only a party that was committed to the free market would even consider adopting even a degree of those policies.

    Comment by V the K — August 21, 2010 @ 9:06 pm - August 21, 2010

  34. Correction, meant to say, “If the president and the majority party in Congress were NOT ideological Marxists, hostile to business…”

    Comment by V the K — August 21, 2010 @ 9:07 pm - August 21, 2010

  35. Sorry, I should specify, do you think outsourcing costs American jobs, not jobs in India and China? Do you care?

    Of course, but when you’re hell bent on punishing companies because they’re eeeeevil, they’re gonna keep doing it.

    As to your “collapse of demand“, if the government would GTF out of the way, that would do a lot for consumer confidence. Adding trillions of debt and threatening anybody who dares think about spending won’t do us a damn bit of good. Not to mention Chairman Obama stealing capital from the private sector is no help either.

    Oh and stopping kick backs for trade unions (read: mobs) would be step in the right direction.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — August 21, 2010 @ 9:07 pm - August 21, 2010

  36. So that’s it, really. We were in paradise, only we didn’t know it. And if it weren’t for taxation, customers would be flocking to every business even as I type. Seriously, does anyone on this blog have the faintest idea what the hell is going on around them? And if you do, do you have any idea what to do about it? TGC, what the hell are these Republican ideas I’m ignoring? Other than electing a con artist who quit her job as governor because it was boring and she was going to get indicted, what are these great ideas?

    Comment by Little Boots — August 21, 2010 @ 9:09 pm - August 21, 2010

  37. Bush did all that and more, NDT, why did the end of his presidency suck so relentlessly when it came to economics? Why, exactly?

    What, exactly, do you mean by “suck so relentlessly”?

    The unemployment rate was a fraction of what it is now.

    GDP had been growing strongly for years.

    The Federal budget deficit was declining at a rapid rate.

    Tax revenues were at an all-time high, and why?

    The continued strong growth in revenues reflects the record profits corporations have been recording in recent years and low levels of unemployment, which means more Americans are working and paying taxes.

    Now we have an annual deficit triple the size, nearly double the unemployment, anemic GDP growth almost verging on contraction, and the Obama Party is going around talking about how strong and wonderful the economy is and how good Obama is on “economics”.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — August 21, 2010 @ 9:10 pm - August 21, 2010

  38. I’ve been out of school for a while, but isn’t “Caligula” the Latin for “Little Boots?”

    Best wishes,
    -MFS

    Comment by MFS — August 21, 2010 @ 9:12 pm - August 21, 2010

  39. Seriously, does anyone on this blog have the faintest idea what the hell is going on around them?

    Little Boots, liberal leftists like yourself always amuse us.

    Tell us, do you pay taxes? At all? If so, certainly you must be aware of the fact that, around April 15 every year, you’re going to have to write a check to the Federal government, right?

    Now, let’s say I tell you that, next year, I’m going to increase the size of the check you’re going to have to write.

    Are you going to keep spending at the same rate? Or are you going to cut back on your spending, knowing you’re going to have to write that bigger check?

    What about your neighbors? Do you think they’re going to keep spending at the same rate, or are they going to cut back so that they can write that bigger check?

    If you cut back on your spending, does that mean the store where you buy your goods and services is going to have the same amount coming in? If your neighbors are also cutting back on their spending, do you think that means the store will have less coming in? If the store has less coming in, do you think they’ll be able to afford to pay as many people, especially when the store owner knows the check she has to write to pay the taxes for her business is going to get larger, too?

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — August 21, 2010 @ 9:15 pm - August 21, 2010

  40. Do you know Exxon Mobil pays 0 taxes, VtotheK? Do you think it makes the slightest difference? Do you think they’ll hire one additional worker this year because of it? Please get real. Seriously, get real, everyone. I’m not convinced you’re truly stupid people, but I have not heard any idea that sounds remotely like it will make one corporation hire one American. It’s all wishful thinking and fox news bs. Imagine you live in a country where corporations are not benevolent and actually do things because of the bottom line, things like hiring, and then give me one practical idea that will reverse this miserable unemployment rate you all pretend, when there’s a Democrat in the White House, to care about. If not, then STFU, get out of our way, and let us fix this thing you wrecked, mkay?

    Comment by Little Boots — August 21, 2010 @ 9:15 pm - August 21, 2010

  41. Actually, NDT, I have this weird thing called withholding. Yes, I pay taxes, but I don’t actually have to write a check to the Federal Government on April 15th. It doesn’t really work like that, but thanks for dropping in from 1928. Now do you have the faintest idea what to do about this crappy economy, or are you going to give me more fantasies about how the scary black man upset business so much that they won’t double their hiring like they planned.

    Comment by Little Boots — August 21, 2010 @ 9:18 pm - August 21, 2010

  42. Yes, Caligula is latin for Little Boots. Learn it, love it, get past it. So any ideas about this crappy economy? Anything? Bueller?

    Comment by Little Boots — August 21, 2010 @ 9:19 pm - August 21, 2010

  43. let us fix this thing you wrecked, mkay?

    This is a statement of fact. Prove it.

    Comment by heliotrope — August 21, 2010 @ 9:21 pm - August 21, 2010

  44. Actually, NDT, I have this weird thing called withholding. Yes, I pay taxes, but I don’t actually have to write a check to the Federal Government on April 15th.

    Perfect.

    So now I tell you that every week, I am going to be taking more out of your paycheck to pay your tax bill.

    Are you going to keep spending at the same rate? Or are you going to cut back on your spending, knowing that you aren’t making as much per paycheck?

    What about your neighbors? Do you think they’re going to keep spending at the same rate, or are they going to cut back because they aren’t making as much?

    If you cut back on your spending, does that mean the store where you buy your goods and services is going to have the same amount coming in? If your neighbors are also cutting back on their spending, do you think that means the store will have less coming in? If the store has less coming in, do you think they’ll be able to afford to pay as many people, especially when the store owner knows the amounts that are coming out of her weekly payments are going to be larger, too?

    You can be humiliated on this one from several different directions, Little Boots, because it underscores the fundamental ignorance of basic economics that leftists like yourself possess.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — August 21, 2010 @ 9:25 pm - August 21, 2010

  45. I think the Obamacrats are using some meth-head version of Underwear Gnome Economics.

    1. Raise taxes and load up business with costly Government Regulations and Mandates.
    2. ???
    3. Prosperity for all.

    Comment by V the K — August 21, 2010 @ 9:26 pm - August 21, 2010

  46. Capitalists are all for increasing employment, as long as

    there’s no minimum wage
    there’s no child labor laws
    they don’t need to pay benefits
    they don’t have to pay overtime
    they don’t have to undergo government regulation or inspection
    they don’t have to pay retirement
    they don’t have to have family leave, sick leave, pregnancy leave, or bereavement leave
    they don’t have to have scheduled breaks or vacations
    there’s no unions

    As long as they don’t have to do any of that, then they’ll create all the jobs you want! Unemployment will be zero! Just like Lang’s Metropolis!

    Comment by Ashpenaz — August 21, 2010 @ 9:26 pm - August 21, 2010

  47. NDT, like the vast majority of people, maybe not you, cause you’re rich, or so you say, I actually got a tax cut under Obama.

    Heliotrope, we were losing 750,000 jobs a month when your guy, the guy with the massive tax cuts and alll the war-war, left office. That is an epic fail. Do you get that? Do you think it’s a good thing to lose hundreds of thousands of jobs every month. I have to ask because Republicans do not seem to give a damn lately. That has been stopped, and we’re actually gaining jobs now. Not nearly enough, but at least gaining some. But if you agree that it’s not enough, what do we do? DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OTHER THAN THE CRAP THAT BUSH TRIED?

    Comment by Little Boots — August 21, 2010 @ 9:30 pm - August 21, 2010

  48. Do you know Exxon Mobil pays 0 taxes, VtotheK?

    Nope.

    Meanwhile, Little Boots, how about the 36% of Americans who pay absolutely nothing in Federal income tax?

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — August 21, 2010 @ 9:32 pm - August 21, 2010

  49. How about them, NDT, why aren’t they flocking to Gene’s, whatever the hell Gene does? Why does a lack of taxes not automatically translate into … profit!!!

    Comment by Little Boots — August 21, 2010 @ 9:34 pm - August 21, 2010

  50. Could it be the whole, lowering taxes is always the answer, crap just doesn’t work? Could that be it?

    Comment by Little Boots — August 21, 2010 @ 9:35 pm - August 21, 2010

  51. NDT, like the vast majority of people, maybe not you, cause you’re rich, or so you say, I actually got a tax cut under Obama.

    Sorry; it’s not a tax cut if you have to repay it.

    You see, Little Boots, a tax cut is an actual cut in the tax rate, not a bit of accounting gimmickry that takes less out of your paycheck every week only to increase the amount you owe at the end of the year.

    And that’s where your economic ignorance becomes even more hilarious. Your tax “cut”, while it may have reduced your weekly withholding, increased the amount of indebtedness you owed at the end of the year. You simply shifted money without changing the actual amount.

    That’s why Obama’s “stimulus” tax “cut” was such an abject failure. It didn’t cut taxes. It simply shifted the burden to a different point in the year and prolonged the recession.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — August 21, 2010 @ 9:38 pm - August 21, 2010

  52. Even by your logic, NDT, if I feel like I got a tax cut, then I’ll spend. But even if my economic ignorance tells me that, and I’m wrong, is your solution to put more money in the pockets of the poor and middle class? Cause, eeeveeel socialist that I am, I’d go for that. The one thing that doesn’t seem to work, or hasn’t in recent history, is an obsession with shoving more money into the hands of the rich, cause we tried that with Bush’s tax cuts and the result was catastrophe, though maybe not from your perspective.

    Comment by Little Boots — August 21, 2010 @ 9:43 pm - August 21, 2010

  53. How about them, NDT, why aren’t they flocking to Gene’s, whatever the hell Gene does? Why does a lack of taxes not automatically translate into … profit!!!

    Where is your proof that Gene’s business is not profitable?

    That has been stopped, and we’re actually gaining jobs now.

    Oh really?

    Total nonfarm payroll employment declined by 131,000 in July, and the unem-
    ployment rate was unchanged at 9.5 percent, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statis-
    tics reported today. Federal government employment fell, as 143,000 temporary
    workers hired for the decennial census completed their work. Private-sector
    payroll employment edged up by 71,000.

    So let’s see, we lost 131,000, we gained 71,000, but we had a net gain, according to Little Boots.

    No wonder you are on welfare. You simply don’t have even the most basic mathematical acumen.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — August 21, 2010 @ 9:44 pm - August 21, 2010

  54. The one thing that doesn’t seem to work, or hasn’t in recent history, is an obsession with shoving more money into the hands of the rich, cause we tried that with Bush’s tax cuts and the result was catastrophe, though maybe not from your perspective.

    And again, your economic and basic ignorance is simply staggering.

    According to new research from Moody’s Analytics, the top 5% of Americans by income account for 37% of all consumer outlays. Outlays include consumer spending, interest payments on installment debt and transfer payments.

    By contrast, the bottom 80% by income account for 39.5% of all consumer outlays.

    Furthermore, Little Boots, your problem is simply jealousy and envy; you believe that every single rich person out there did not earn their money. That’s probably due to the fact that your Obama Party is overwhelmingly a lazy millionaires’ and criminals club, as we see from your Charles Rangel, your Maxine Waters, your John Kerry, your Kennedys, your Nancy Pelosi, and so forth. It’s also due to your own belief that the world owes you wealth regardless of how educated or hardworking you are.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — August 21, 2010 @ 9:51 pm - August 21, 2010

  55. Maybe Caligula was referring to Government jobs when he said employment was increasing. While the private sector has shed millions of jobs, Federal and State governments have increased their payrolls by hundreds of thousands; a good number of whom are the kind of bureaucrats whose job it is to prevent the private sector from growing and hiring. The budget for the EPA, for example, has more than doubled under Obama.

    Comment by V the K — August 21, 2010 @ 9:53 pm - August 21, 2010

  56. NDT, you are a silly man. I know your employees, who hate you, and your family, who hate you more, won’t tell you, but I feel you should know.

    I have no idea if Gene’s business is profitable. I know he won’t hire anyone, so I assume all those lucky duckies who aren’t paying federal taxes aren’t flocking to his door as Ayn Rand and all good Republicans would predict. Not sure why.

    And yes, if the unemployment rate is unchanged, that is a step up from the last sad days of the Bush Administration, god beloved and tax cutted as it was. It failed to deliver the promised paradise and I would like to know why. Don’t you?

    And yet we are faced with a seemingly intractable problem of unemployment. What to do, what to do. Any ideas, from your vast storehouse of economic knowledge and business savvy? Anything at all that hasn’t been tried and failed within the past ten years?

    Comment by Little Boots — August 21, 2010 @ 9:54 pm - August 21, 2010

  57. The top 5% only need so much, only want so much. They have bought, are buying everything they could possibly desire. Giving them more money will not increase their purchases. It’s like giving more food to a glutton or more wars to a neocon. At some point, even the heartiest appetite is satisfied, and the surplus is saved.

    Comment by Little Boots — August 21, 2010 @ 9:58 pm - August 21, 2010

  58. The Republican National Committee’s $5.5 million in July receipts includes a $900,000 insurance payment, helping boost anemic fundraising by the national party.

    Federal campaign reports show that Democratic Party committees maintained a cash on hand advantage over their Republican counterparts as they entered the final three months before the election.

    The Republican Party’s insurance payment was from Illinois National Insurance, a subsidiary of insurance giant American International Group. A party official said the money was for an insurance claim but said there was a confidentiality provision in the agreement. The official was not authorized to discuss the claim publicly and spoke on the condition of anonymity.

    The official said the payment was not related to AIG’s financial troubles, which required a massive federal bailout.

    Even with the claim, the RNC’s receipts were less than half the $11.6 million raised by the Democrats. The Democratic Party reported $10.8 million in the bank and $3.5 million in debts; Republicans showed $5.3 million in the banks and $2.2 million in debts.

    The RNC is by far the GOP committee struggling the most, creating anxiety among Republican operatives and increasing pressure on outside groups to help make up the financial gap.

    The National Republican Congressional Committee raised $8.5 million to help House candidates, surpassing the $6.2 million raised by its Democratic counterpart. But the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee showed $35.8 million in the bank compared to $22 million for the NRCC.

    The two parties’ senatorial committees were closer to parity. The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee raised $4.4 million and had $22.4 million in the bank. The National Republican Senatorial Committee raised nearly $4.2 million and had $21.2 million in the bank.

    YOU GUYS are GONNA LOSE SO BIG in November! BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

    Comment by steve — August 21, 2010 @ 9:59 pm - August 21, 2010

  59. The top 5% only need so much, only want so much. They have bought, are buying everything they could possibly desire.

    Facts continue to elude Little Boots, who merely lives in liberal delusion.

    And yes, if the unemployment rate is unchanged, that is a step up from the last sad days of the Bush Administration, god beloved and tax cutted as it was.

    And again, the delusions of Little Boots, who babbles about how Obama’s 9.5% unemployment rate, which is much, much higher than the unemployment rate was or ever managed under Bush, is a “step up”.

    And here’s yet another one:

    I have no idea if Gene’s business is profitable. I know he won’t hire anyone, so I assume all those lucky duckies who aren’t paying federal taxes aren’t flocking to his door as Ayn Rand and all good Republicans would predict. Not sure why.

    Hiring numbers are not in any way an accurate predictor of whether or not a business is profitable. Indeed, excessive hiring is a common cause of UNPROFITABLE business activity.

    This continues to demonstrate that Little Boots has no mathematical acumen, no business experience, and an utter and complete lack of even the most basic economic knowledge.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — August 21, 2010 @ 10:04 pm - August 21, 2010

  60. So, NDT, is excessive unhiring, i.e., unemployment a problem at all, or should we as a society just revel in it, content in the knowledge that the rich are getting richer from it? If so, what exactly is your complaint with Obama, given the current high unemployment rate?

    Comment by Little Boots — August 21, 2010 @ 10:08 pm - August 21, 2010

  61. YOU GUYS are GONNA LOSE SO BIG in November! BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

    Mhm, that’s what Martha Coakley said too, steve.

    Seems to me you predicted victory in that one too, right? How is it that you failed, steve? How did you and your Obama lose so big?

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — August 21, 2010 @ 10:12 pm - August 21, 2010

  62. So, NDT, is excessive unhiring, i.e., unemployment a problem at all, or should we as a society just revel in it, content in the knowledge that the rich are getting richer from it?

    That’s quite an interesting analysis, Little Boots.

    During the Bush administration, according to you, “the rich got richer” — and unemployment was at half the level we see now.

    Now, in the Obama administration and as a result of Obama Party economic policies, you’re getting your wish of the rich getting poorer — and we have nearly double the unemployment rate.

    If you could think past your leftist ideologies, you might make the connection there that every economist does — that, in an economy driven by consumer spending, making consumers, especially the largest spenders, poorer is a route to a depressed economy and higher unemployment.

    But you can’t.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — August 21, 2010 @ 10:18 pm - August 21, 2010

  63. I actually think you may be right, Dallas. And no Republican elected or re-elected in November will have the slightest idea how or interest in solving the unemployment problem. It’s how we roll, as a county.

    Comment by Little Boots — August 21, 2010 @ 10:18 pm - August 21, 2010

  64. NDT, were you in a coma in 2008, cause that awesome Bush economy kinda fell apart then.

    Comment by Little Boots — August 21, 2010 @ 10:19 pm - August 21, 2010

  65. NDT, have you ever, in your life, supported anybody who out and out supported gay rights, or is it all this weird tangential, well they support an expanding economy (as I’m sure we have, given all those Bush tax cuts, so things must be great right about now) so that’s the moral equivalent of gay rights, or what, what exactly is the connection you see between the slavish devotion to the interests of rich people and the advancement of gay rights.

    I wasn’t aware that being for a strong economy, limited government, and the like was incompatible with “gay rights”.

    But then again, perhaps it is. “Gay rights” involves giving preferential treatment to people based on their sexual orientation, rather than their character, values, and contribution to society. Societies based on artificial government enforcement of equalitarianism rather than rewarding people for their hard work, i.e. the Soviet Union, or by creating preferential minority status, i.e. Zimbabwe, are pretty much contrary to the creation of wealth, the increase of productivity, and the generation of innovation and entrepreneurial success.

    So is this all a yes to gay marriage or not? Honestly not sure. How about DADT? Should gays be allowed to serve openly while protecting their country, or not?

    Comment by Little Boots — August 21, 2010 @ 10:28 pm - August 21, 2010

  66. Actually Ash, it was capitalists that created benefits to attract the best employees. Until Obamacare, there was no law forcing employers to give their employees health insurance coverage, for example, employers created medical benefits, not government.

    Paid vacations? capitalists created those, not government. dental benefits? capitalists, pensions and retirement accounts? capitalists. etc, etc, etc

    And yes, it was command and control fascists who forced a minimum wage on employees AND employers, and recently raised it, and as a result, the group with the HIGHEST unemployment are the young, inexperienced people who would have jobs if fascists had not demanded the private sector pay them more than they, having no skills and no experience, are worth.

    And it was command and control fascists and their brown shirts in the unions who demanded that government not allow people to work more than 40 hours if they wanted to. That prohibited people from allowing their teenagers from working and gaining valuable experience even if they wanted to. And as a result, kids no longer get summer jobs working farms, we import illegal immigrants to do it. And corporations as a result ship low-wage, low skill jobs overseas where low skilled workers are willing to take jobs without demanding they be paid the same as much higher skilled workers.

    In other words, it is those fascist “progressive” policies that are the very cause of “outsourcing” that Little JackBoots decries.

    Government command and control of the private sector is the major component of Fascism/”progressivism”.

    Comment by American Elephant — August 21, 2010 @ 11:00 pm - August 21, 2010

  67. The top 5% only need so much, only want so much

    It is the freedom of people to have as much as they want that is what makes the economy GROW in the first place. It is your fascist, dictatorial tendency to steal from other people what YOU think s “too much” that kills the economy every single time.

    Comment by American Elephant — August 21, 2010 @ 11:06 pm - August 21, 2010

  68. Caligula needs to be reminded that those damned rich are the reasons why his HDTV isn’t $5,000 anymore or that he can get a BluRay player for less than $100.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — August 22, 2010 @ 3:27 am - August 22, 2010

  69. Caligula needs to be reminded that those damned rich are the reasons why his HDTV isn’t $5,000 anymore or that he can get a BluRay player for less than $100.

    Yet, the cost for health care and higher education… both heavily regulated and subsidized by the Government… continue to skyrocket.

    Do progressives utterly lack the capability for pattern recognition?

    YOU GUYS are GONNA LOSE SO BIG in November! BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

    Yeah, because Americans are totally going to rally around the Democrat platform of enormous deficits, tax increases, union bailouts, and more spending.

    Comment by V the K — August 22, 2010 @ 10:07 am - August 22, 2010

  70. I find the name kind of fits. I mean wasn’t Caligula the insane one who made his horse a senator?

    Apparently this Caligula’s horse taught him economics.

    NDT keeps leading him to facts, but you can’t make him think.

    Comment by The_Livewire — August 22, 2010 @ 10:10 am - August 22, 2010

  71. LOLZ: Harry Reid wants credit for the years of prosperity that came to an abrupt screeching halt when he became majority leader

    Comment by V the K — August 22, 2010 @ 10:25 am - August 22, 2010

  72. Nevada’s real unemployment rate, by the way, is 21%. And considering that President Momjeans has made a habit of bashing Las Vegas and demonizing companies that hold conferences there…. the Democrats have not not exactly been supportive.

    Comment by V the K — August 22, 2010 @ 10:38 am - August 22, 2010

  73. TGC, what the hell are these Republican ideas I’m ignoring?

    See above, dumbass.

    Other than electing a con artist who quit her job as governor because it was boring and she was going to get indicted,

    Indicted for what? Every f*cking attempt the liberals made to attack her went over like a wet fart. Other than wasting Alaskan’s time and money, just what the f*ck were the liberals accomplishing?

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — August 22, 2010 @ 10:59 am - August 22, 2010

  74. Indicted for what?

    Well, they were pretty close to nailing her for the abominable crime of wearing a snowmobile jacket to a snowmobile race.

    (Yes, that was a genuine “ethics complaint” filed against her by a Democrat Party activist, and it was every bit as frivolous as the other 26 complaints. But she had to spend thousands defending against each one. I don’t blame her for resigning.)

    Puts the whole Charlie Rangel/Maxine Waters thing into perspective, doesn’t it?

    Comment by V the K — August 22, 2010 @ 11:07 am - August 22, 2010

  75. “Capitalists that created benefits to attract the best employees.”

    (spit-take) WHAAAaaaat?

    A capitalist dialogue on paid vacations:

    SCROOGE: I – I suppose you’ll want the entire day to-morrow?

    BOB CRATCHIT: If it’s quite convenient, sir.

    SCROOGE: It’s not convenient — and it’s not fair, either. But I suppose I
    can’t do anything about it. Heh. If – if I was to stop half-a-crown of your
    wages, you’d think yourself very ill-used, I’ll be bound?

    BOB CRATCHIT: Well, sir, I–

    SCROOGE: Yeah, but you don’t think me ill-used, when I pay a day’s wages for
    no work.

    BOB CRATCHIT: It’s only once a year, sir.

    SCROOGE: Once a year! Once a year, indeed. A fine excuse for picking a man’s
    pocket every twenty-fifth of December! But I suppose there’s no good talking.
    You must have the whole day. Well, see that you’re here all the earlier the
    next morning. You understand?

    BOB CRATCHIT: Oh, I will, sir.

    Comment by Ashpenaz — August 22, 2010 @ 12:41 pm - August 22, 2010

  76. So Ashpenaz is claiming that “A Christmas Carol” is an actual, factual documentary.

    Thus, according to Ashpenaz, then, the Ghosts of Christmas Past, Present, and Future are real.

    Delusional. Utterly delusional.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — August 22, 2010 @ 12:54 pm - August 22, 2010

  77. Little Boots — There is no need to pop up here and insult my commenters and their families.

    YOU ARE BANNED.

    Comment by Bruce (GayPatriot) — August 22, 2010 @ 1:04 pm - August 22, 2010

  78. But I was having fun, Bruce. Now we’re stuck with the old, abused chumps.

    pooh.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — August 22, 2010 @ 1:24 pm - August 22, 2010

  79. NDT, ILC, et. al.: Enjoy your eggs!

    Comment by Ashpenaz — August 22, 2010 @ 1:50 pm - August 22, 2010

  80. Bruce, don’t ban boots…..we need more liberal socialists in here so we know what we are up against.

    [GP Ed. Note - Sorry, we have enough rude liberals that say the same thing... he was not adding to the conversation up and above his petty insults.]

    And btw my business is profitable, no thanks to any liberals.
    This is the first year in the last 20 that my company hasn’t hired at least 50 extra employees in the summer time. We have retrenched because we don’t know how damaging current and future liberal Democrat legislation is going to be. The smart move right now for any business, is to hold on, hope for the best and not do anything risky. Sorry boots, that’s real life.
    Obama and the Dems hate, hate business. We are all evil according to them. Any business that takes advantage of their customers and their workers, won’t be in business long. The marketplace and the customers will stay away from bad business people like them. Obama is still blaming bankers for not lending more freely to buisinesses…but he won’t say the truth, there really aren’t many businesses lined up to take on more debt, more risk in this envirnment.

    Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — August 22, 2010 @ 1:59 pm - August 22, 2010

  81. While boots, ash and steve continue to stew about the state of the Obama economy…..Imam Obama went golfing again…..
    sorry guys
    you voted for him….
    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100822/D9HOHUUO0.html

    Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — August 22, 2010 @ 2:01 pm - August 22, 2010

  82. It got hot in here quickly, didn’t it.

    Depsite the liberal claptrap, Little Boots had some good questions.

    First off, GWB did not cause the economic mess… it’s been in the making for years (probably since the 60s). To try categorizing the blame among Dems and Reps is to miss the point. The battle is down to the productive classes and the ruling classes.

    The productive classes are mostly people who actually produce goods and services that other people are willing to buy and that provide tangible benefits. The ruling classes, in addition to the gubmint sector, include the mega-rich who acquired their money through manipulation of the markets. Among these people, there is no traditional patriotism: the idea that enlightened self-interest included consideration for one’s country and fellow citizens. No, these are trans-national elites who appear to have little loyalty to the country that provided their opportunity.

    Not to sound like a commie but when you look at the amount of money paid to Wall Street banksters, it’s reasonable to ask how they made that money gambling with (and losing) other peoples’ money. And they’re still making it, funneling money from the Fed back to Treasury while skimming fees. Big businesses are sitting on trillions (no doubt, in some part, due to the uncertainty). But a lot of them are profitable while continuing cutbacks and layoffs. If you’re a super-rich CEO or hedge-fund type and the money is rolling is, why would you take on more expense (employees)?

    We brought this on ourselves… we gave gubmint too much power and, unsurprisingly, the gubmint took care of itself first. See today’s San Diego Union-Tribune for the latest in the saga of SD city-worker pensions and the decisions made, with full knowledge of the fiscal damage. Now the city wants a sales-tax increase to feed the pension monster.

    We elected leaders to take care of problems that we, ourselves, should have addressed. These social problems include a lot of things we’d rather not talk about (or are terrified to talk about – nation of cowards that Eric Holder says we are). The result, again unsurprisingly, are politicians and community organizers with blank checks, greed disguised as altruism, and a desire to stay in their cushy jobs. We don’t want to look at dirty factories or icky refineries so we push them off-shore… then we wonder where the manufacturing base went. Ditto for fantastical union demands.

    Just like our so-called representatives, we were profligate. Instead of saving and spending prudently, we embarked on an orgy of conspicuous consumption… the clichéd, middle-aged (but still thinks he’s in high-school) baby-boomer with a driveway full of Harleys and Jet Skis down the street being a good example.

    The government kept interest rates too low, making traditional savings unprofitable, driving a stock market bubble as people looked for returns better than zero, and fueling a pace of consumption that was never sustainable. We want cheap products – and we get them – without seeing the faces of, say, unemployed textile workers in the southeast who can’t compete with people who live in tin shacks and make pennies per day. We want cheap computer hardware and software – as long as we don’t have to think about unemployed engineers and scientists who, in their 50s and 60s, are unwanted – facing retirements in destitution. (Did you see the story the other day about how people are now draining 401k funds trying to stay afloat? Is this not appalling? Is this not scary?)

    Now the bill is due.

    I see too few Republicans politicians (and fewer on the Democrat side) that appear to grasp the seriousness of the situation. To them, it’s all about partisan advantage. I hope the GOP takes both houses on Congress by decisive margins… it may be our last chance. Given the track record the last time the GOP held Congress, I remain pessimistic.

    Sorry for the length.

    Comment by SoCalRobert — August 22, 2010 @ 3:34 pm - August 22, 2010

  83. So Cal I agree with much of what you said.
    My bottom line though is at present Atlas is shrugging,
    the productive class is tired of being blamed while we pay 90% of all federal taxes. A thank you card now and then from the welfare class would be appreciated, but short of that, please quit ripping on the productive class.
    My hope is the one thing Republicans have learned from 06 and 08 and that is not to spend like liberals. Independents are flocking to Republicans solely because of the debt and deficiet.

    Comment by Gene in Pennsylvania — August 22, 2010 @ 4:05 pm - August 22, 2010

  84. I didn’t see boots making any brilliant suggestions to fix the liberal TU economy. I was hoping that eventually he would.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — August 22, 2010 @ 4:05 pm - August 22, 2010

  85. After finding the corruption in the health insurance industry, the coal industry, Toyota, BP, and now eggs, you still want to say “Free market capitalism can regulate itself without government interference.” As I eat my omelet this morning, I am glad for government regulation. But feel free to eat uninspected eggs or eggs which the corporation promised to inspect for themselves–and send us all the videotape of what happens. .

    Comment by Ashpenaz — August 22, 2010 @ 4:36 pm - August 22, 2010

  86. As I indicated some 77 comments ago, LB can’t understand. Ash clearly can’t either. The number of false claims between them is probably beyond 77. Whether their stupidity and ignorance are inborn or willful, I will not presume to say.

    Good comments from the rest of you! :-)

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — August 22, 2010 @ 4:52 pm - August 22, 2010

  87. In case anyone hasn’t seen it, here is a good article on The Basic Laws of Human Stupidity: http://www.searchlores.org/realicra/basiclawsofhumanstupidity.htm

    Earlier, I asked LB to take a certain action to smarten himself up, before I would deal with him. As justification, I hereby invoke the Fourth Law.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — August 22, 2010 @ 5:12 pm - August 22, 2010

  88. After finding the corruption in the health insurance industry, the coal industry, Toyota

    Yes, how DID that Toyota thing come out?

    Oops.

    But of course, when the pathetic Ashpenaz steps on the gas pedal instead of the brake, obviously it’s not his fault. “Catholic social doctrine” says that people are never responsible for their own situation and that the government should step in to protect them like the helpless and stupid infants they are.

    As I eat my omelet this morning, I am glad for government regulation.

    Why?

    Salmonella bacteria are destroyed by heat, so unless you’re so stupid and incompetent as to be unable to cook eggs properly, it wouldn’t matter whether there were bacteria present or not.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — August 22, 2010 @ 7:53 pm - August 22, 2010

  89. NDT: It would not really surprise me, if it did turn out that Ash were too stupid and incompetent to cook eggs properly.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — August 22, 2010 @ 8:04 pm - August 22, 2010

  90. Little Boots — There is no need to pop up here and insult my commenters and their families.

    YOU ARE BANNED.

    Coward. This is nothing to do with insults, I’ve said worse than he did and I still get to post here. This is because he resembles my teenage self, having the energy necessary to actually take on the filibuster style ramblings you get here (though such energy comes at the cost of not sourcing comments as thoroughly as I do, a necessary tradeoff but one which I do think makes for weaker overall arguments).

    If you’ve become so pathetic that you can’t stand such an opponent, then do the decent thing and retire from this blog. Alternatively, you can live with the fact that such an immature opponent managed to force your hand. Either is fine really.

    Comment by Serenity — August 22, 2010 @ 9:07 pm - August 22, 2010

  91. s I eat my omelet this morning, I am glad for government regulation. But feel free to eat uninspected eggs

    ASS, you run the risk of Salmonella even with inspected eggs or anything that comes from a chicken. You can make an omelet with the recalled eggs and be fine. It’s when you have that vulgarity called “sunny side up” where you might have trouble. If you aren’t aware of that, perhaps you DO need a nanny to look after you, but the rest of us don’t. This is more government fascism and fear mongering.

    I’ve said worse than he did and I still get to post here.

    Maybe because you’re amusing to us. Caligula was a broken record. He asked, we answered, he dismissed and asked again. He didn’t know anything beyond the standard liberal bullshit points. You don’t either, but you’re able to spin it differently.

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — August 23, 2010 @ 1:14 am - August 23, 2010

  92. Someone should probably point out to the libs that this video Bruce posted STARTS where Republicans transferred power to Democrats in January 2007, with a growing economy and 4.6 unemployment (aka FULL employment)

    …it isn’t until a YEAR AFTER Democrats took control, and until after a year of Democrat policies, Democrat budgets, and Democrat promises of more carnage to come that the recession even started, and unemployment began to grow.

    …it wasnt until A YEAR AND A HALF after Democrats took control of congress (JULY 2008…and it was clear that Democrats were probably going to win the presidency as well by this point) that unemployment climbed above 5% for the first time, and everything has gotten worse from there.

    FAR from Republicans or Bush causing the recession, the biggest contributing factor to the recession and financial crisis was Democrats getting elected and promising massive tax hikes, massive new regulation, massive new seizures of private industry, and the reason the economy hasnt gotten any better is because the people who caused the recession are still in office making everything worse!

    Comment by American Elephant — August 23, 2010 @ 1:35 am - August 23, 2010

  93. Serenity noodles about Little Boots at #90 and ends up telling Bruce he is a wimp and should retire from the field of combat.

    Whew! Little Boots comes in and sprays full force fire hose diarrhea primed with false cause and all that stimulated the inner Serenity.

    Furthermore, Serenity prefers the give it, shove it, shout it to any form of give and take and reasoned response. Making a case is to engage “in the filibuster style ramblings you get here.”

    Shall we all play according to Serenity’s rules or shall we just continue to keep on not standing in awe of Serenity, Little Boots and the whole squad of smarter than thou nincompoops?

    Comment by heliotrope — August 23, 2010 @ 9:16 am - August 23, 2010

  94. the coal industry

    And how are the miners doing under the Chi-Comm run mines? They never have collapses, do they?

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — August 23, 2010 @ 10:56 am - August 23, 2010

  95. Here’s a link to an article about rescissions:
    Such things as:

    Arbitrarily dropped coverage for tens of thousands of enrollees with the stroke of a pen — just to save money.
    Dropped entire categories of care — such as dental care or home health care — because it decided these services were too costly?
    Arbitrarily reduced the fees it paid to doctors and hospitals, pushing many out of its network, and leaving its enrollees with serious access to care problems?

    Oh, wait. This is Medicaid doing this. Once again, facts get in the way of Ash’s rant.

    Comment by The_Livewire — August 23, 2010 @ 11:22 am - August 23, 2010

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