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  1. A fairy torment forever?

    Comment by ThatGayConservative — September 13, 2010 @ 9:45 am - September 13, 2010

  2. After the Ball

    In 2003 Alan Sears and Craig Osten, president and vice-president of the Alliance Defense Fund, an American conservative Christian non-profit organization, offered another characterization:

    It is an agenda that they basically set in the late 1980s, in a book called After the Ball,[17] where they laid out a six-point plan for how they could transform the beliefs of ordinary Americans with regard to homosexual behavior — in a decade-long time frame…. They admit it privately, but they will not say that publicly. In their private publications, homosexual activists make it very clear that there is an agenda. The six-point agenda that they laid out in 1989 was explicit:

    1. Talk about gays and gayness as loudly and as often as possible(…)
    2. Portray gays as victims, not as aggressive challengers(…)
    3. Give homosexual protectors a just cause(…)
    4. Make gays look good(…)
    5. Make the victimizers look bad(…)
    6. Get funds from corporate America(…)[1]

    After the Ball[17] is a book published in 1989 by Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen. It argues that after the gay liberation phase of the 1970s and 1980s, gay rights groups should adopt more professional public relations techniques to convey their message. It was published by Doubleday and was generally available.

    According to a Christian Broadcasting Network article by Paul Strand, Sears and Osten argue that After the Ball follows from “a 1988 summit of gay leaders in Warrenton, Virginia, who came together to agree on the agenda” and that

    “the two men (Kirk and Madsen) proposed using tactics on ‘straight’ America that are remarkably similar to the brainwashing methods of Mao Tse-Tung’s Communist Chinese — mixed with Madison Avenue’s most persuasive selling techniques.”[18]

    The article goes on to claim that films such as Brokeback Mountain are part of this “well-planned propaganda campaign”.

    (From Wikipedia article, Homosexual Agenda)

    Comment by Ashpenaz — September 13, 2010 @ 10:17 am - September 13, 2010

  3. A more accurate (to say the least) view of Islam can be found by viewing the documentary, A Mosque in Morgantown:

    http://www.themosqueinmorgantown.com/film/

    Or, you can simply talk to Muslims in your community about these 3 points. Then, you can let them ask if gays are deceitful, lying predators who are trying to recruit their children. What a fun conversation that will be! Hate and misinformation on both sides!

    Comment by Ashpenaz — September 13, 2010 @ 10:27 am - September 13, 2010

  4. Yeah, about the deceitfulness and intolerance of Muslims.

    Nearly ten years ago, I was the guest of the Pontifical Institute for Arabic and Islamic Studies (PISAI) of Rome. PISAI is dedicated to interfaith dialogue between Christians and Muslims. But as the director at the time said to me, “There is no real dialogue, since Muslims never reciprocate the goodwill gestures made by the Christians. The result is we sit down together, and the Christians say what a wonderful religion Islam is, and the Muslims say what a wonderful religion Islam is.” (Imam) Rauf was invited to give a sermon in a church and did so, but he never reciprocated by inviting a Christian to give a sermon in a mosque. This, for Rauf and his ilk, would be unthinkable.

    Comment by V the K — September 13, 2010 @ 1:56 pm - September 13, 2010

  5. “There is no real dialogue between gays and those who might criticize the gay community, since gays never reciprocate the goodwill gestures made by their critics. The result is we sit down together, and critics feel forced to say how wonderful being gay is, and the gays say how wonderful being gay is.”

    I wonder if GOProud will have to face any similar accusations based on gay stereotypes like the egregious Muslim stereotypes in this video?

    Comment by Ashpenaz — September 13, 2010 @ 2:54 pm - September 13, 2010

  6. Well, it’s about time we started talking about this stuff. I would highly recommend to anyone who wishes to know more about the centuries old war that Islam has been fighting against the West to watch the movie “Fitna.” It is readily available in parts on youtube.

    And, please, no rhetoric about “moderate” Islam. There is no such thing. The regular Muslim folk who don’t believe in jihad or taquiya usually don’t even attend a Mosque on a regular basis since they know it to be more about politics and domination of the West than it is about religion.

    Comment by Felix — September 13, 2010 @ 4:59 pm - September 13, 2010

  7. Dear Ashpenaz, there is nothing one rationally could criticize about homosexuality so there factually can not and need not to be a true dialog between gays and their critics. Concerning Islam and homosexuality, I think it’s safe to say that islamization starting from the shadows is the greatest single threat to human rights development in secular Western societies. Something we need to look very close into.

    Comment by FreiherrMannerheim — September 13, 2010 @ 5:52 pm - September 13, 2010

  8. Your typical idiot progressive thanks making some sort of weak analogy between two things is a substitute for cogent analysis.

    Comment by V the K — September 13, 2010 @ 6:21 pm - September 13, 2010

  9. This video helped open my mind a little bit about the Quran and Islam. I have been reading about the extreme threat caused by socio-political Islam from web blogs like Atlas Shrugs and ACT for America lately and I’m glad I did. When I understand enough I could join human rights activists like Pamela Geller and Brigitte Gabriel of those web blogs.

    As an independent individual who doesn’t know much about the Quran – although a good Muslim friend of mines gave me a pocket-book Quran several years ago (collecting dust on my bookshelf) – I am beginning to gradually understand that the Quran may never see reformation (expunging violent Jihad texts) by the Muslim community. The Quran is what it is since the day of there prophet Mohammed. Islamic jihadists have existed since the Christian Crusades.

    I learned that the Christian Crusade wasn’t a terrible mistake like the Catholic Spanish Inquisition. But the Spanish Inquisition pales in comparison to the Arabic Jihadism. Historically, the Christian Crusaders are like our American and Israeli soldiers today; fighting against the Islamist oppressors.

    @Ashpenaz and anyone who reads this,

    I ask a simple world history question: Why does true homophobia exist in our world?

    I believe that ISLAM is the reason why true homophobia exists in our world today. Simply disagreeing with homosexuality isn’t enough for Islam; Islam goes beyond that by subjecting gays and lesbians to torture and murder, while the radical Jihadists smile and laugh cruelly as an effeminate gay man (for example) is being crushed by a cement wall and hanged to a final death.

    Hate criminals, white supremacists, neo-Nazis, Leftists and Communists here in America LOVE there radical Jihadist counterparts BECAUSE all of them…cruelly laugh and smile privately as Jews, Christians, women, and gays are murdered by the Islamic Jihadists. Islam is a metaphorical symbol of worldly hatred and violence which other religions just can not compare to.

    I am an American, and I feel anxiety knowing that the threat of Islam will come after me in my own country. Islam will take several forms – a young Muslim hate criminal with a weapon in hand, an Imam screaming “kill the gays!” inside a local mosque, an Islamic death threat on the gay community, etc. OH! It can happen. It has already happened in the San Francisco Bay Area, where I live. Islamists and white supremacists, together, take over LIBERAL areas first like California and New York, then they will spread like melted chicken dung.

    Comment by Totakikay — September 13, 2010 @ 7:05 pm - September 13, 2010

  10. This article is also very helpful.
    http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101.html

    Comment by The Other Peter H — September 13, 2010 @ 9:35 pm - September 13, 2010

  11. I agree there is no such thing as moderate Islam when you look at the teachings at the core. I would also propose that we look for “reformed” Islam that does emphasizes the early, peaceful sections of the Quran and teaches Islam as a personal religious experience like other religions. But I bet we can’t find many examples if at all…

    Comment by The Other Peter H — September 13, 2010 @ 9:39 pm - September 13, 2010

  12. There is a fascinating article on the Foreign Policy magazine website this week which profiles (very briefly) about 8 mosques across the country. Although moderate/modernist Islam does it exist, it’s very clear from reading the profiles that such a version is very much threatened.

    Comment by Neptune — September 14, 2010 @ 10:28 am - September 14, 2010

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