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  1. I can imagine a worse future.

    Comment by DaVinciSmetana — April 28, 2011 @ 2:31 pm - April 28, 2011

  2. So it doesn’t matter that the above is the future where Obama wants to take us, and would if he could?

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — April 28, 2011 @ 3:36 pm - April 28, 2011

  3. This is the future Levi wishes to drag us kicking and screaming into.

    Comment by V the K — April 28, 2011 @ 3:37 pm - April 28, 2011

  4. Kinda like reading 1984 when I was a kid. But then none of that stuff EVER really would have happened, right?

    Comment by EZVZ — April 28, 2011 @ 4:41 pm - April 28, 2011

  5. Strangely relevant to our coming future of stagflation is this economist’s view of the Obama-Bernanke ‘recovery’:

    What jumps out from the chart [ed: click the above link, to see it] is the fact that the economy’s level of output has been about 10% below its long-term “potential” output for more than two years. This is the biggest growth shortfall since the Depression, and it has persisted for more than two years despite unprecedented levels of fiscal and monetary stimulus.

    Die-hard Keynesians are still unwilling to accept that stimulus has failed, and some like Paul Krugman still argue that the problem was that the stimulus wasn’t big enough. But as I predicted in a post in January 2009, the fiscal stimulus package championed by Obama and the Democrats would prove to be a significant drag on growth, and I think the evidence now supports my prediction.

    You can’t create growth out of thin air, or by transferring money from one person to another by government fiat. When government commandeers a big chunk of the economy’s resources, as it did beginning two years ago, those resources end up being spent in a much less efficient fashion than if they had been left in the private sector. The result is slower growth. We’re in a recovery, but it’s a very slow recovery because government is smothering the economy.

    Morever, with trillion-dollar deficits staring us in the face for as far as the eye can see, market participants, workers, and business owners can’t help but fear an eventual and substantial rise in future tax burdens. Just the possibility that future tax burdens could rise meaningfully is enough to reduce the discounted, after-tax, present value of future cash flows, and to discourage, on the margin, new investments.

    Monetary policy is also culpable. By adopting an unprecedented quantitative easing program, and promising repeatedly to keep short-term rates very low for an extended period, the Fed has introduced a significant amount of monetary uncertainty into the financial markets and the economy. Inflation expectations are rising and the dollar has fallen to all-time lows, as capital decides that the U.S. economy is not a very attractive place to be. Treasury yields are still very low despite our massive budget deficit, because an excess of spending is depressing the economy and depressing the expected returns on alternative investments.

    So the lesson from this tepid recovery is that the more government tries to “stimulate” the economy, the worse things will be…

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — April 28, 2011 @ 4:49 pm - April 28, 2011

  6. So the lesson from this tepid recovery is that the more government tries to “stimulate” the economy, the worse things will be…

    Gosh, you mean vastly expanding government spending in order to pay more bureaucrats at the EPA, the SEC, the DoJ, the NLRB, and hundred other bureaucracies to harass and obstruct business development is not a viable path to economic recovery?

    Who would have thought that?

    Comment by V the K — April 28, 2011 @ 5:26 pm - April 28, 2011

  7. Who says we’ll have to wait until 2022?

    Here’s a bar singer in the UK *arrested* for singing Kung Fu Fighting:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1380971/Simon-Ledger-arrested-racism-performing-Kung-Fu-Fighting.html

    Or the stand-up comic hauled before a Canadian “Human Rights Tribunal” for being mean to lesbian hecklers. Mark Steyn opens a flamethrower on that (caution: bad words):

    http://www.steynonline.com/content/view/3987/26/

    Or the pastor prevented in Michiganistan from protesting at a mosque because (as a juror on the case admitted) of potential Muslim violence.

    Room 101?

    Comment by SoCalRobert — April 28, 2011 @ 5:52 pm - April 28, 2011

  8. excellent, excellent! That is what we are heading towards!

    Comment by Leslie — April 28, 2011 @ 6:40 pm - April 28, 2011

  9. Meh, I don’t believe that liberals will allow the airlines to continue to exist.

    Comment by TGC — April 28, 2011 @ 10:09 pm - April 28, 2011

  10. I think mom’s $6,000 a year, non-increasing “Medicare” voucher would run out long before any fears of rationing set in. Not that it would really matter, since no insurance company would cover a 65 year old breast cancer survivor with diabetes anyway.

    And fear-mongering about terrorism? Who ever heard of conservatives doing anything like that??? It would have been nice if any of these staunch privacy advocates had spoken up during the Bush Administration (though, I must give appropriate props to Governor (at the time Congressman) Otter in ID for doing so).

    The rest of this is of course just conservative persecutiion fantasy. Obesity prevention programs, for example: if you’d like to know why health care costs are exploding, it’s in large part due to the huge rise in diabetes. Of course, since the First Lady has made this an issue, it has to be opposed.

    Comment by Mike — April 28, 2011 @ 11:02 pm - April 28, 2011

  11. When you people re-enter reality, get back to me. Orwell knew what Stalinism was in cold reality– you’re a bunch of whining idiots with no grasp of the difference between actual history and fact, and your delusional drivel.

    Dan, shame on you for posting this crap.

    Comment by Ken Thomas — April 28, 2011 @ 11:04 pm - April 28, 2011

  12. The road to Stalinism (i.e., totalitarian socialism) is paved with Obama’s intentions.

    And Obama’s Orwellian pronouncements, straw men and euphemisms (for example when he says that letting people keep more of their own money is “tax code spending”, or when he says that corporate welfare subsidies for his party’s cronies are “investment” in “green technology”) act as those little sparkly flecks that you can see in our road to eventual Stalinism, on a hot day.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — April 28, 2011 @ 11:38 pm - April 28, 2011

  13. I think mom’s $6,000 a year, non-increasing “Medicare” voucher would run out long before any fears of rationing set in. Not that it would really matter, since no insurance company would cover a 65 year old breast cancer survivor with diabetes anyway.

    And why would she need it, if her child cared about her and wanted to help take care of her?

    Or is Mikey more interested in dumping Mommy onto other taxpayers so Mikey doesn’t have to spend any money?

    Funny how the same liberals who claim they “care” about the elderly and the poor are the first to threaten to dump said elderly and poor in the street if other people don’t pay the bills for them.

    Why won’t liberals like Mikey pay their own bills and take care of their own family members? Are they lazy, irresponsible, or all of the above?

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — April 29, 2011 @ 12:17 am - April 29, 2011

  14. Sounds like NDT is advocating rationing to me. Please, advocate that people pay cash for their relatives health care and we’ll see how well that goes over. As for me, nope, I won’t be paying either of my parents’ health care, but you’re right, the taxpayers will be footing the bill: through the VA system. Is that socialism NDT?

    Comment by Mike — April 29, 2011 @ 12:38 am - April 29, 2011

  15. Obesity prevention programs, for example: if you’d like to know why health care costs are exploding, it’s in large part due to the huge rise in diabetes.

    Which is hilarious, because those most likely to be obese are already on the government’s “obesity prevention program”.

    It really shows you how stupid and uninformed Obama Party puppets like Mikey are, given that they scream about the poor starving to death when the obesity rate among the poor vastly outstrips the obesity rate among the wealthier.

    And it becomes even more tragic when you consider that the “cure” Mikey and his ilk push are government obesity programs — when the government obesity programs that are already running are clearly making people even fatter.

    Meanwhile, Michelle Obama’s finger-wagging about obesity is just another example of her hypocrisy.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — April 29, 2011 @ 12:39 am - April 29, 2011

  16. Sounds like NDT is advocating rationing to me. Please, advocate that people pay cash for their relatives health care and we’ll see how well that goes over.

    Notice how terrified Mikey thinks everyone is about paying their own bills.

    That’s because, as a welfare boy, Mikey doesn’t pay taxes. He doesn’t understand the concept that most people would be more than happy to have the CHOICE to keep the money currently taken out of their paychecks and make their own health care decisions.

    And of course Mikey thinks this is “rationing”. Mikey thinks having to pay his own bills of any sort is “rationing”; that’s why he demands that government pay everything for him.

    Confirmed by this statement:

    As for me, nope, I won’t be paying either of my parents’ health care, but you’re right, the taxpayers will be footing the bill: through the VA system.

    Again, Mikey confirms he doesn’t pay taxes. Wonder if Mikey’s ever thought about the fact that he could pay for his own health care if the government wasn’t taking so much of his money away?

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — April 29, 2011 @ 12:44 am - April 29, 2011

  17. Orwell knew what Stalinism was in cold reality– you’re a bunch of whining idiots with no grasp of the difference between actual history and fact, and your delusional drivel.

    Actually, what we know is that Stalinism is the logical outgrowth of the leftist socialism which Obama espouses, in which corporations and private property are arbitrarily redistributed in the name of the “public good”, an untouchable and unaccountable ruling elite is summarily exempted from any rules, and political dissent or unpopular thought is punishable by imprisonment.

    We also know that it took a mere fourteen years or so for the Russian Revolution to produce Stalin — right about in the timeline for the hypothetical 2022 situation.

    Meanwhile, given your Obama Party’s wholehearted endorsement and demands for support of one of the world’s most notorious Stalinist states, do you even know what Stalinism is in “cold reality”?

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — April 29, 2011 @ 12:57 am - April 29, 2011

  18. haha, you’re so off base, it is cracking me up. Nope, got a great health care plan through the private company I work for, thanks for your concern. As for the VA, I’ll take your cowardly silence as a tacit admission that you’d include it in those programs you describe as “socialism”? Again, I invite you: take your message of no Medicare, no Social Security, no VA etc etc to the American people and see what happens.

    As for Mrs. Obama, I think Mike Huckabee said it best: “I still think her approach is the right one. I do not think that she is out there advocating that the government take over our dinner plates. In fact, she has not. She has been criticized unfairly by a lot of my fellow conservatives. I think it is out of a reflex rather than out of a thoughtful expression, and that is one of the things that bug me most about the political environment of the day.”

    Comment by Mike — April 29, 2011 @ 12:59 am - April 29, 2011

  19. Again, I invite you: take your message of no Medicare, no Social Security, no VA etc etc to the American people and see what happens.

    Let’s see: “No Medicare taxes, no Social Security taxes, no VA taxes, just 20% more in your paycheck every week to spend as you see fit.”

    How do you think that message would go over, Mikey?

    Isn’t it interesting how you adamantly oppose allowing people to earn and keep more of their money and spend it as they see fit? Do you think other Americans are as helpless and incapable as you are and need the government to do all their thinking for them? Do you think other Americans are as uncaring and irresponsible as you are and dump their aged parents onto other people?

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — April 29, 2011 @ 1:08 am - April 29, 2011

  20. Do we have to ask how it would go over? We have an example: Bush’s social security savings account idea. The GOP had full control of the government when that was proposed. Why wasn’t it enacted? But don’t worry–I’m fully supportive of your idea of the GOP coming out squarely against the VA.

    Comment by Mike — April 29, 2011 @ 1:13 am - April 29, 2011

  21. As for the VA, I’ll take your cowardly silence as a tacit admission that you’d include it in those programs you describe as “socialism”?

    Actually, I’m just using it as another example of hypocrisy, given that you and your fellow Barack Obama Party members fully support and endorse killing and maiming US soldiers.

    For you to whine about their health care is hilarious when you put “diversity” ahead of their health in the first place.

    For people like yourself who elevate, endorse, and promote those who were actually building bombs to maim and kill hundreds of soldiers to invoke the VA is the height of hypocrisy.

    In short, isn’t it amazing how liberals like yourself, who are the first to support those who attack, kill, and maim our soldiers, try to use them as human shields to support your parasitic leftist existence?

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — April 29, 2011 @ 1:17 am - April 29, 2011

  22. Do we have to ask how it would go over? We have an example: Bush’s social security savings account idea.

    Indeed we do.

    But fortunately, several years later, people have realized that Barack Obama and the Barack Obama Party lied, and that the Barack Obama Party has no intention of paying out the benefits that it promised. They now have the choice between having control over and keeping their own money, or handing it over to the Obama Party with its proven record of wasteful spending and reneging on promises.

    People have realized, Mikey, that you and your fellow Obama Party members simply lie constantly. Not even the media is covering up your lies any more because they’re just so blatant and obvious.

    The problem is, Mikey, that you’re trying to lie to senior citizens, who have worked their entire lives and still have an ethic. They realize that bills have to be paid. They realize that welfare addicts like yourself don’t believe in paying your own bills. And they also realize that the Obama Party is lying to them and treating them like moronic idiots who need the government to do their thinking for them.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — April 29, 2011 @ 1:22 am - April 29, 2011

  23. Oh, and here’s the latest: Mikey and his Barack Obama Party are screaming that we need to take money away from Medicare, the VA, and Social Security to cough up billions for a Stalinist regime that is threatening us and our staunchest allies with nuclear holocaust.

    Yes, that ought to get the senior citizen vote.

    You think that works, Mikey? How about this: “Mikey and his Barack Obama Party support those who want to nuke our soldiers and friends and says we should give them billions of dollars”.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — April 29, 2011 @ 1:25 am - April 29, 2011

  24. “They realize that bills have to be paid. They realize that welfare addicts like yourself don’t believe in paying your own bills.” Ah, well they should be dropping out of Medicare en masse to buy their own private insurance shouldn’t they? Medicare is not a mandatory program. One may certainly pay cash for any medical procedure desired. Anyway, good luck with running on doing away with the VA! I can only hope the GOP will take your advice and run with that one.

    Comment by Mike — April 29, 2011 @ 1:30 am - April 29, 2011

  25. I’ll leave you with this:

    “Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid.”–Dwight D. Eisenhower.

    I don’t need to comment on your intelligence, President Eisenhower said it better than I ever could.

    Comment by Mike — April 29, 2011 @ 1:38 am - April 29, 2011

  26. Medicare is not a mandatory program.

    You truly don’t collect a paycheck, do you, Mikey?

    You see, if you did, you would know that employees are required to pay into Medicare. That is NOT optional.

    You have compelled these people to pay into Medicare their entire working lives, collecting huge sums of money from their paycheck on penalty of going to jail if they don’t pay — and now you’re reneging on the benefits.

    This truly shows your welfare brat mentality. Those people earned those benefits. They were promised them. They paid for them. And now you and your worthless Barack Obama want to cut those benefits so you can hand out freebies to your fellow welfare addicts — and you insist that those people who paid for those benefits that you are screwing over are hypocrites for objecting to what you’re doing.

    You truly are nothing but a parasite, Mikey. You try to use senior citizens, then bash them when they refuse to cooperate. You try to use the military, then support and endorse those who want to kill them. You try to use “the poor”, then make it clear you wouldn’t spend a penny of your own money to keep them off the streets.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — April 29, 2011 @ 1:43 am - April 29, 2011

  27. LOL, too bad, Mikey.

    You truly think Eisenhower, a military man, would have supported those like you and your modern Obama Party who seek to murder the troops?

    You think Eisenhower, who was a staunch anti-Communist, would have supported you taking billions of dollars to give to a Stalinist state like North Korea?

    You think Eisenhower, who was one of the staunchest advocates of a balanced budget, would support your Obama Party’s multi-TRILLION dollar perpetual deficits?

    Or are you just trying to demonstrate how ignorant you are of actual history and public policy, just like your Barack Obama?

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — April 29, 2011 @ 1:48 am - April 29, 2011

  28. Medicare is a mandatory tax, but participation in Medicare is not mandatory. And no, those seniors have not paid for their care entirely, as the average Medicare benefit is about $100,000 more than the amount the individual has paid into the system. So, if, as you suggest, those seniors you mention wish to rebel against the system, why aren’t they paying out of pocket for their care over what they’ve already paid in?

    One can just imagine the sneer that Eisenhower has on his face as he called several “Texas oil millionaires” stupid. Why do you think he singled them out for particular criticism? Sounds a little socialist to me. Maybe he was getting too much of those communist veteran’s benefits.

    Comment by Mike — April 29, 2011 @ 2:13 am - April 29, 2011

  29. Medicare is a mandatory tax, but participation in Medicare is not mandatory.

    Oh, so you lied when you said Medicare wasn’t mandatory. Go figure. Typical liberal, rants about a government program when he doesn’t even understand how it works. Try educating yourself first, will you?

    And no, those seniors have not paid for their care entirely, as the average Medicare benefit is about $100,000 more than the amount the individual has paid into the system.

    And thus you liberals lied again when you stated that Medicare was sustainable, that it wasn’t running a deficit, and that it was taking in enough to cover benefits.

    Don’t worry, Mikey. No one here thinks you’re intelligent. We’re just enjoying watching as you desperately flip through your talking points like a good parrot. You have obviously never done any research or actually taken the time to educate yourself; you just repeat what you’re ordered to repeat, which is clearly the upper limit of your mental capacity.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — April 29, 2011 @ 3:06 am - April 29, 2011

  30. bet someone read Fallen Angels
    http://www.webscription.net/10.1125/Baen/067172052X/067172052X.htm?blurb
    (the whole e-book is free…go on…just like a junky, the first hit is free (~_^))

    Comment by JP — April 29, 2011 @ 3:36 am - April 29, 2011

  31. Not that it would really matter, since no insurance company would cover a 65 year old breast cancer survivor with diabetes anyway.

    Well my mom’s 66, had a mastectomy in 92, was diagnoesd with diabetes in 2005 and was able to get UHC. She got fed up with Medicare denying everything, so she got insurance with a private company that has been actually paying for stuff like insurance is supposed to.

    What else you got?

    Obesity prevention programs, for example: if you’d like to know why health care costs are exploding, it’s in large part due to the huge rise in diabetes. Of course, since the First Lady has made this an issue, it has to be opposed.

    It has to be opposed because statist liberals have decided to use a measure which declares fit people as “obese” so they can declare a problem and try to convince people that the only solution is to hand over more freedom to the government. Not to mention the statists have a compliant media replete with stock footage which only shows fat people. This media runs “news stories” at least once a month on how fat everybody is.

    Let’s see:

    I don’t need to comment on your intelligence, President Eisenhower said it better than I ever could.

    If you weren’t such a dumbass, you’d read the entire letter and acknowledge the fact that it’s a idnictment of big government.

    Comment by TGC — April 29, 2011 @ 3:47 am - April 29, 2011

  32. #24: “Anyway, good luck with running on doing away with the VA! I can only hope the GOP will take your advice and run with that one.”

    REMINDER: Only the Obama Administration has proposed dumping the costs of treating soldiers’ service-related wounds onto private insurers in order to create a “revenue stream” to pay for freebie healthcare benefits the Democrats want to hand out to free-loaders and illegal aliens who have not, in fact, risked their lives in military service to this country.

    http://articles.cnn.com/2009-03-10/politics/veterans.health.insurance_1_disabled-american-veterans-veterans-of-foreign-wars-service-related-injuries?_s=PM:POLITICS

    Typical: Mike is mocking the GOP for a bad idea it has NOT proposed but that the Democrats actually HAVE proposed.

    Comment by Sean A — April 29, 2011 @ 5:16 am - April 29, 2011

  33. I guess Mikey’s folks are really going to be screwed when Medicare goes belly up because it’s a fundamentally unsustainable program; he sure as hell isn’t going to help them.

    Comment by V the K — April 29, 2011 @ 5:41 am - April 29, 2011

  34. And you just know the American Anti-Obesity Act will include massive subsidies for Turtle Island Foods Inc. (makers of Tofurky).

    Comment by TGC — April 29, 2011 @ 10:44 am - April 29, 2011

  35. #24: “Ah, well they should be dropping out of Medicare en masse to buy their own private insurance shouldn’t they? Medicare is not a mandatory program. One may certainly pay cash for any medical procedure desired.”

    You gotta love that silly, convenient argument that fools like Mike are peddling as if it’s some devastating trump card. Essentially, we are supposed to accept that any criticism or opposition to statist government programs is per se irrelevant and devoid of any credibility unless it comes from an individual that, although eligible, has unequivocally renounced and/or waived all benefits flowing from such programs even where the benefits were financed by mandatory confiscations of that individual’s earned wages over a course of decades (or were promised in exchange for military service for years and during which the individual’s life was on the line). In other words, the only legitimate, relevant arguments opposing a government program can come from individuals who agree to be financially cornholed by it.

    Of course it’s a pathetic, stupid argument and profoundly dishonest because liberals won’t abide by it anyway. Who hasn’t heard the constant bitching from liberals about how members of Congress who oppose Obamacare should agree to waive the premium, lifetime “socialist” healthcare benefits their job entitles them to? 15+ new GOP members of Congress HAVE waived those benefits but their opinions are no more relevant to leftists like Mike than they were before.

    What a dunce.

    Comment by Sean A — April 29, 2011 @ 11:03 am - April 29, 2011

  36. This is where the inanity and stupidity of individuals like Mikey, in my opinion, becomes destructive.

    I really don’t like these sort of examples like Dan posted. But I like even less the outright lies that Mikey and his friends like Ken Thomas are posting. It would be good to have discusssions about the value of these sort of examples, but that’s hard to do when you have to be constantly tossing grenades to deal with teh stupid of the Obama Party that Mikey and Ken Thomas represent.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — April 29, 2011 @ 11:29 am - April 29, 2011

  37. Sean,

    And the same people do not call the President out on Maximizing his deductions. If he really thought that he should pay more, he could.

    He beleives we should pay more.

    Comment by The_Livewire — April 29, 2011 @ 1:45 pm - April 29, 2011

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