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  1. Much to my chagrin, Daniel, my adopted state of Illinois seems to be the lone holdout.

    Mayor Emmanuel, despite fast-tracking a law permitting practice shooting ranges, seems to be stubbornly refusing to see that the handwriting on the wall isn’t just some graffiti, but a federal law.

    Thankfully, rank-and-file Chicago Police Department officers are supporting a conceal-carry law.

    As my favorite Chicago cop blogger states on his website:

    When seconds count, the police are only minutes away. Protect yourself and your family.

    Comment by Eric Olsen — July 11, 2011 @ 1:07 pm - July 11, 2011

  2. Don’t believe that all but 1 state has a right to carry.

    Look at California. It is not a must or shall issue state. It is still at the discretion of some bureacrate like the Sheriff. There are 0 permits right now in LA for non-security related persons.

    Comment by Mike — July 11, 2011 @ 2:08 pm - July 11, 2011

  3. No need to limit the bill’s positive benefit to Gays. It benefits minorities, Jews, poor, disabled, seniors, just about everyone except criminals.

    Check out this report from GeorgiaCarry.Org which uses FBI Uniform Crime Report data to prove that more people carrying guns reduces crime:

    http://www.georgiacarry.com/research/GCO_-_Guns_Good_Bans_Bad.pdf

    Comment by MikeSilver — July 11, 2011 @ 2:19 pm - July 11, 2011

  4. Hooray for Wisconsin. California will never pass shall issue concealed carry, as long as the Democrats control the state.

    Comment by kjatexas — July 11, 2011 @ 2:26 pm - July 11, 2011

  5. It’s kind of sad that we have to have special legislation to practice our 2nd Amendment rights. The founders said nothing of the right to keep and bare arms only when the states pass must-issue laws. Personally I look forward to the day when we can all open carry. Because only then will the thugs know exactly who not to screw with.

    And finally, please forgive me, but when I read “If anti-gay thugs knows that gay people could be packing”, I chuckled.

    Comment by joe camel — July 11, 2011 @ 2:37 pm - July 11, 2011

  6. OK, I’d like to see a bumper sticker: I’m gay, I’m a patriot, and I’m packing heat, honey.

    Comment by Ashley — July 11, 2011 @ 2:57 pm - July 11, 2011

  7. In New York City self defence is not sufficient reason to be permitted to carry a fire-arm. Stun guns are illegal and even mace must be registered and purchased in regulated stores. Only the elite of the elite can carry. Some of the towns and counties outside of New York City are more permissive, but there is still a lot of bureaucracy to penetrate.

    Comment by Az Mo in NYC — July 11, 2011 @ 3:13 pm - July 11, 2011

  8. Is it my understanding that all concealed gun rights are “gay” rights laws? How paranoid delusional of you. How long are going homosexual/bisexual gaybashing on the heterosexual community? Straight men do not waste their time physically abusing depressed and suicidal individuals. What could we possibly do to a child that has grown up in a dysfunctional homosexual/bisexual dyad aka borderline caretaker that a single, sadomasochistic lesbian mother has already done to her children?

    Comment by rjliger — July 11, 2011 @ 3:19 pm - July 11, 2011

  9. Is it my understanding that all concealed gun rights are “gay” rights laws?

    No, and if you’d paid attention to what we post here, you wouldn’t feel the need to express such nonsense so casually.

    How paranoid delusional of you.

    Wow. The hatred is strong in this one.

    How long are going homosexual/bisexual gaybashing on the heterosexual community? Straight men do not waste their time physically abusing depressed and suicidal individuals. What could we possibly do to a child that has grown up in a dysfunctional homosexual/bisexual dyad aka borderline caretaker that a single, sadomasochistic lesbian mother has already done to her children?

    I take that back…”hatred” isn’t the word for it. Ignorant, overwrought emotionalism also comes to mind.

    Thanks for stopping by, though. Tell your friends! Well, maybe not…:-)

    Comment by Eric Olsen — July 11, 2011 @ 3:37 pm - July 11, 2011

  10. I am not gay. I’m an evangelical Christian and fairly conservative. And, you know, I’m GLAD that gays have the right to protect themselves. EVERYONE has the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Whether or not I agree with you does not change the fact that you are entitled to the right to protect yourself.

    I sometimes wonder – would there have been less lynchings in the South if blacks had been able to arm themselves? (People often don’t realize that many Southern states forbade blacks from doing so.) Would Kristalnacht have happened if the Nazis had not disarmed the Jews prior to that? Would the Khmer Rouge have been able to kill 20% of their population if they hadn’t first disarmed them?

    I am not afraid of my law-abiding neighbors having weapons, even though I personally have made the choice not to own a gun. But they have the right to own weapons, and I am glad they do.

    BTW, as a Christian – I can tell you that God loves gay people too. Christ did not just die for straight people.

    Comment by Shefali — July 11, 2011 @ 4:28 pm - July 11, 2011

  11. First, I love when Dan posts these stories.

    Second, Ashley — I’d buy that bumper sticker.

    Third, Eric – go git ‘em! :)

    Comment by Bruce (GayPatriot) — July 11, 2011 @ 4:49 pm - July 11, 2011

  12. Here in NJ there’s no civilian concealed carry either…just law enforcement and licensed security guards while-on-duty and in-uniform.

    And you can’t keep a pistol for self-defense at your business or in your car, just within your home as long as it’s not loaded with hollow-points. Best defense here in a 20″-22″ shotgun with buckshot. Even slugs are questionable.

    Comment by Ted B. (Charging Rhino) — July 11, 2011 @ 4:49 pm - July 11, 2011

  13. BTW, as a Christian – I can tell you that God loves gay people too. Christ did not just die for straight people.

    Thanks for your wonderful example of tolerance, and welcome!!!!!!! Nice to know that what some of our detractors say is exactly as idiotic as we’ve always suspected. :-)

    Just make sure you don’t run for public office, lest you be targeted as some hate-filled, fascistic polluter of young children!

    Comment by Eric Olsen — July 11, 2011 @ 4:57 pm - July 11, 2011

  14. Regarding states that permit concealed carry, only Illinois simply forbids such. HOWEVER, the following states are “may issue” states, which, depending upon the state, may well mean that obtaining a CCL in such a state may be extremely difficult:

    The following states are “May Issue” states:

    AL, CA, CT, DE, MA, MD, NY, NJ, and, I think, RI.

    Comment by Henry Bowman — July 11, 2011 @ 5:04 pm - July 11, 2011

  15. @Shefali,

    Yes, Christ did not only die for straight people. He even died for narrow-minded “evangelicals” who would use their so-called “love” of Christ to justify disapproval & discrimination against gay people. From your statement “….Whether or not I agree with you does not change the fact that you are entitled to the right to protect yourself.” It is inherently clear that you believe being gay is a sin that I must “repent” and somehow turn myself straight or be celibate to be “saved.”

    I like your Christ, but I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.

    Comment by James — July 11, 2011 @ 5:32 pm - July 11, 2011

  16. This is NOT a gay rights bill. If your classification for a “gay rights bill” is legislation that improves lives for everyone (including gay people), then it is possible to phrase almost any piece of legislation to make it sound like a “gay rights bill.”

    Using your yardstick, banning same-sex marriage is a “gay rights bill” because it supports the beliefs of religious conservatives in this “Christian nation” who are more likely to have children (some of whom are gay). Additionally, banning same-sex marriage is helpful to gay people who want to remain in the closet, or gays who want to receive “reparative therapy” at ex-gay clinics run by people such as Marcus Bachmann. Therefore, banning same-sex marriage is actually a “gay rights bill!” Who knew?

    Comment by James — July 11, 2011 @ 5:42 pm - July 11, 2011

  17. . It is inherently clear that you believe being gay is a sin that I must “repent” and somehow turn myself straight or be celibate to be “saved.”

    I like your Christ, but I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.

    Well then, just about everything in your post makes the case that you are not only ignorant as to any matters of faith that you find offensive on the surface, but that you’re not the least bit hesitant to pass judgement upon anyone you even suspect of disagreeing with you.

    Congratulations on your ignorance and intolerance, James.

    Comment by Eric Olsen — July 11, 2011 @ 5:48 pm - July 11, 2011

  18. Now this is the post I was waiting to see… :)

    Comment by JohnAGJ — July 11, 2011 @ 5:52 pm - July 11, 2011

  19. Additionally, banning same-sex marriage is helpful to gay people who want to remain in the closet, or gays who want to receive “reparative therapy” at ex-gay clinics run by people such as Marcus Bachmann. Therefore, banning same-sex marriage is actually a “gay rights bill!” Who knew?

    Here’s the deal, chuckles…

    You;re perfectly welcome to make a complete ass out of yourself, but if you ever hope to (or even give a damn about) being regarded as someone with some modicum of credibility around here, then perhaps you might be willing to back up the ridiculous accusations you make with, I dunno, some facts? Otherwise, you’ll find yourself shit-canned to the same ash heap of lies the rest of your hate-filled colleagues are doomed to find themselves.

    But I’m hoping you think you’re smarter than me. Seriously. I’ve had plenty of sleep tonight, and nothing makes me happier than watching a leftist talk himself into oblivion. C’mon, James. Bring it on, sweetheart.

    Comment by Eric Olsen — July 11, 2011 @ 5:54 pm - July 11, 2011

  20. This is my kind of gay rights. The problem with advancing rights that target a specific group of people is that they are inherently discriminatory.

    #16: “This is NOT a gay rights bill. If your classification for a ‘gay rights bill’ is legislation that improves lives for everyone (including gay people)”

    Legislation that improves lives for everyone improves lives for gay people. It could be called any kind of right, including a gay right.

    “then it is possible to phrase almost any piece of legislation to make it sound like a ‘gay rights bill.’”

    How so? This bill improves the lives of gay people, so it can be considered a gay rights bill. That is not the case for all bills.

    Comment by Naamloos — July 11, 2011 @ 5:59 pm - July 11, 2011

  21. James at #16, please look up the meaning of “all” and “free” before suggesting that the standard I set in the concluding ¶ of my post (before the “FROM THE COMMENTS” addendum) would apply to a law benefiting just evangelical Christians and their theological allies.

    Comment by B. Daniel Blatt — July 11, 2011 @ 6:05 pm - July 11, 2011

  22. I’ll just sit back and eat the pop corn on this.

    Comment by The_Livewire — July 11, 2011 @ 6:26 pm - July 11, 2011

  23. I’ve suspected for sometime that “gay” people want to be “apart and above” the rest of the population of this country. I’m of the opinion that “hate crimes” legislation is a good indicator I may be right in my suspicion. Now that this legislation, which as other posters point out is good for all Americans, is being sold by “gay” people as “gay” legislation should I be more suspicious of the “gay” community?

    Comment by Richard Bell — July 11, 2011 @ 7:18 pm - July 11, 2011

  24. @Eric Olson,

    I’m actually very tolerant of evangelicals, but I don’t “accept” them. Why is it okay if evangelical Christians say they “disagree with the gay lifestyle”, but if I say that I strongly disagree with evangelicals’ beliefs………..then that’s not acceptable?

    Many (if not most) conservative Christians view homosexuality as a sin that’s comparable to lying, cheating, adultery, pedophilia, alcoholism, etc. They believe it is their duty to help remove you from being gay, in the same way that someone might help a recovering alcoholic. They believe they are saving you from “hell”. At the very least, they “will pray for you.”

    What would happen if you told them this verbatim, “I have nothing against you personally, but I disagree with your ‘Christian’ lifestyle of using religion to justify discrimination against gays, and I believe you will be punished in hell.” Have you ever said this to them? I have, and I have witnessed their “compassionate, Christian ways” disappear and their REAL attitude & real nature come out of the closet.

    As for Marcus Bachmann’s ex-gay clinic, I find it interesting that none of the conservative media has anything to say about it. “Truth won out” used the same tactics as the conservative sting of ACORN, to expose that Marcus Bachmann (Michele Bachmann’s husband) DOES use reparative therapy, even though he has denied it recently. Furthermore, they use “reparative therapy” without informed consent (a violation of medical & Christian psychological ethics) and they also do it on the taxpayer dime (the Bachmann clinic has received $161,000 in taxpayer funds).

    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/michele-bachmann-exclusive-pray-gay-candidates-clinic/story?id=14048691

    http://www.truthwinsout.org/pressreleases/2011/07/17544/

    http://www.frumforum.com/ethical-questions-raised-at-mr-bachmanns-clinic

    I can only imagine the outcry and furor on this blog, had it been the spouse of a Democratic political candidate, who was espousing & practicing reparative (ex-gay) therapy.

    Comment by James — July 11, 2011 @ 9:51 pm - July 11, 2011

  25. [...] that a pistol in your pocket, or…the most excellent “Gay Patriot” web site reports the Wisconsin gay community is pretty pleased that Gov. Scott Walker got to sign a concealed carry [...]

    Pingback by Gays For Guns | Carroll County GOP — July 11, 2011 @ 11:45 pm - July 11, 2011

  26. Really, James? You want to point to the work of a bigot like Besen? REALLY?

    Look out, Levi! You have competition for Dumbass of the Year.

    Comment by TGC — July 11, 2011 @ 11:46 pm - July 11, 2011

  27. I think, James, that the conservative media is far more aware of the fact that Truth Wins Out is a group of antireligious bigots who in fact support and demand discrimination against people based on their religious beliefs.

    Let me provide you with some quotes of the organization’s position from their Director of Social Media and primary spokesperson, Evan Hurst.

    Actually, Bob, most “reasonable” people, if we’re using the word with a respect for its root word, “reason,” agree that there is no evidence for God’s existence, and thus no rational REASON to believe that any god or gods have determined ANYTHING, much less morality.
    Comment by Evan Hurst — May 27, 2010 @ 7:13 pm

    Hahahahaha, um. Dude. Seriously? No one in the history of the universe has ever been able to prove that the idea of “gods,” which have always been used to control populations, ever existed. It’s a ridiculous idea, created by uneducated nomads from thousands of years ago.
    GROW UP>
    Comment by Evan Hurst — May 29, 2010 @ 4:13 am

    They all rank “10″ because they’re all retarded and none of them can be proven by any human who’s ever lived.
    God, your questions are really stupid.
    Comment by Evan Hurst — May 29, 2010 @ 4:29 am

    Bob. That means your god is a weak minded little bitch who changes his mind and is definitely NOT eternal or omnipotent. He’s merely a reflection of humanity’s most disgusting instincts.
    Grow the hell up.
    Comment by Evan Hurst — May 31, 2010 @ 4:20 am

    Of COURSE, their idea of god is as a serial rapist. Fundamentalist religious people ARE essentially battered wives. They just act it out on a grander scale without such visible bruises. The really screwed up thing is that their abuser is an imaginary friend.
    But it’s a rapist just the same.
    Comment by Evan Hurst — May 31, 2010 @ 4:22 am

    Ben, everything you said was spot on. Bob’s idea of “god” is a moral reprobate, and a child at that. I wouldn’t worship a sniveling ass like that if you paid me.
    Comment by Evan Hurst — May 31, 2010 @ 4:25 am

    They have made it quite clear that being gay or lesbian is incompatible with any sort of religious belief, and that they will do anything to harm and attack people with religious beliefs. This puts them squarely in opposition to the First Amendment and laws preventing discrimination against people based on their religious beliefs, but it seems to be mainstream with the intolerance you practice and which is common in the gay and lesbian community.

    Let me also provide you with an example of the sort of behavior and attacks on people like Dan Blatt that the Truth Wins Out organization officially supports and endorses.

    There are other things we could go into, such as Truth Wins Out’s support and endorsement of the Wonkette attack on Trig Palin, the fact that Truth Wins Out demands higher taxes on others while claiming tax-exempt status to avoid paying taxes themselves, and the fact that Truth Wins Out clearly flouts the requirements that tax-exempt organizations not engage in partisan political advocacy.

    In short, you picked a real winner, James — roughly akin to touting a Stormfront “expose” on a minority-operated business. The only difference is that they would be fairer, and they aren’t cheating the taxpayers by claiming to be a non-partisan nonprofit.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — July 12, 2011 @ 1:43 am - July 12, 2011

  28. And this was entertaining.

    Furthermore, they use “reparative therapy” without informed consent (a violation of medical & Christian psychological ethics) and they also do it on the taxpayer dime (the Bachmann clinic has received $161,000 in taxpayer funds).

    Which is entertaining, James, since gay and lesbian liberals like yourself and Truth Wins Out are supportive of and endorse organizations like ACORN and Planned Parenthood that actually break laws, including supporting prostitution rings and coverups of statutory rapes, for far more in taxpayer dollars — and without ever once calling them unethical.

    Furthermore, let’s see; Truth Wins Out’s person went into the clinic and specifically and repeatedly ASKED to have these things performed on him. It is very difficult to argue that an adult past the age of consent is not allowed to consent — especially when gay and lesbian organizations like Truth Wins Out defend Planned Parenthood and other organizations that offer to perform abortions on children below the age of consent without providing them any of the information that is required BY LAW or obtaining the actual parental consent that is required BY LAW.

    Hence the point. You are deliberately trying to gin up issues for partisan political gain. Your acknowledgement that Truth Wins Out is doing exactly that for partisan political gain is an excellent indicator that Truth Wins Out is violating the requirements for tax-exempt status and is in fact itself acting “unethically”.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — July 12, 2011 @ 1:51 am - July 12, 2011

  29. If people are unhappy being gay, and they don’t want to be gay, why should they not have the right to seek therapy to change themselves? It is certainly less harmful than the irreversible genital and chemical mutilation that people go through in order to have their “gender” reassigned to something they think they will be happier with.

    Comment by V the K — July 12, 2011 @ 7:52 am - July 12, 2011

  30. BTW, why is it so many orders of magnitude worse for Michele Bachmann’s husband to have run a clinic that offered reparative therapy than it was for Barack Obama to sit in a church for twenty years led by a racist, anti-semitic, America-hating minister?

    Comment by V the K — July 12, 2011 @ 8:05 am - July 12, 2011

  31. James,

    Can you enlighten me a bit on what “hate the sin, but love the sinner means?” Right now, it strikes me that you want the “sin” part upgraded to business as usual. If so, that conveniently carries the “sinner” part with it. Right?

    Therefore, if I am reading you correctly, you have a problem with Christianity in general. Perhaps you favor something along the lines of voting on what constitutes sins and making religion just another form of politics.

    So far, I see in your words a strong support for moral relevancy. I would even suggest that if you were not gay, you would not care about the “sin” in large part because you do not have religious faith.

    So, why should anyone of religious faith give either a hoot or a holler for what you think?

    Comment by Heliotrope — July 12, 2011 @ 9:43 am - July 12, 2011

  32. I would also point out as I have for Levi, Richard Rush, and our other vociferous antireligious folks this interesting point.

    If a Republican said that their intention was to do “God’s will”, that God speaks to them, and using Christian iconography in their campaign literature, Truth Wins Out, James, Levi, and Richard Rush would be screaming about trying to institute a “theocracy”, comparing them to Iranian leaders, and saying that they were unfit for public office because they were crazy, superstitious, and ignorant — as they already have done on numerous occasions.

    If a Republican’s spouse publicly stood up and talked about being surrounded by spirits and thanking people for performing rituals to keep them “clean”, Truth Wins Out, James, Levi, and Richard Rush would be calling them crazy, superstitious, and ignorant and insisting that this proved their spouse was unfit for public office — as they are trying to do with the Bachmanns and others.

    But when it’s Barack and Michelle Obama, Truth Wins Out, James, Levi, and Richard Rush support them unquestioningly, do whatever they say, and insist that anyone who criticizes them is wrong and bigoted.

    That’s why it is rather clear that this is not a principled opposition by Truth Wins Out, James, Levi, and Richard Rush, but rather a political and antireligious jihad based solely on antireligious bigotry and hatred and a desire to publicly justify discrimination against people based on their religious faith.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — July 12, 2011 @ 11:27 am - July 12, 2011

  33. BTW, why is it so many orders of magnitude worse for Michele Bachmann’s husband to have run a clinic that offered reparative therapy than it was for Barack Obama to sit in a church for twenty years led by a racist, anti-semitic, America-hating minister?

    The other interesting thing: Barack Obama bragged that his children were baptized and educated by this racist, anti-Semitic, America-hating minister.

    For all the shrieking that James, Levi, Truth Wins Out, and Richard Rush do about “brainwashing”, it’s amazing that they support and endorse Obama and Reverend Jeremiah Wright, given that by their standards, Obama was clearly brainwashing his children to be racist, Jew-hating, anti-American bigots.

    Wonder why no Obama gays will comment on that? Perhaps it’s because Wright plays to their hatred of Jews, their self-induced white guilt, and their hatred and contempt for their fellow Americans — and thus, they don’t see any problem with children being “indoctrinated” with that?

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — July 12, 2011 @ 11:31 am - July 12, 2011

  34. And yet the Christophobes demand taxes on churches which means government can and will get involved in a churches’ business. Seems to me that would eliminate their beloved separation of church and state. You can’t be for it and against it at the same time.

    Comment by TGC — July 12, 2011 @ 3:48 pm - July 12, 2011

  35. V the K @ #29

    Good point!

    Comment by Naamloos — July 12, 2011 @ 6:55 pm - July 12, 2011

  36. Ex-gay ministries are nothing but a tool of the religious right to “prove” that homosexuality is a sinful LIFESTYLE, not a sexuality, and can be prayed away. Men and women who are struggling with their sexuality should be offered legitimate help, not snake oil that has been proven to be psychologically damaging.

    Yes, V the K, transgendered people exist. Scandalous, I know! :0

    Don’t see how this is a “gay rights” bill. Hate Crimes legislation, ENDA, ending DADT, marriage equality all focus on GAY issues. This gun bill effects some gays, but has nothing at all to do with helping to end discrimination because they’re gay or add legal protections and rights that were unfairly denied to them because of their sexuality.

    Comment by Leonard — July 13, 2011 @ 11:33 pm - July 13, 2011

  37. Ex-gay ministries are nothing but a tool of the religious right to “prove” that homosexuality is a sinful LIFESTYLE, not a sexuality, and can be prayed away. Men and women who are struggling with their sexuality should be offered legitimate help, not snake oil that has been proven to be psychologically damaging.

    Yes, V the K, transgendered people exist. Scandalous, I know! :0

    Don’t see how this is a “gay rights” bill. Hate Crimes legislation, ENDA, ending DADT, marriage equality all focus on GAY issues. This gun bill effects some gays, but has nothing at all to do with helping to end discrimination because they’re gay or add legal protections and rights that were unfairly denied to them because of their sexuality.

    Comment by Leonard — July 13, 2011 @ 11:34 pm - July 13, 2011

  38. Ex-gay ministries are nothing but a tool of the religious right to “prove” that homosexuality is a sinful LIFESTYLE, not a sexuality, and can be prayed away.

    So? Who cares?

    There are plenty of examples of individuals – community heroes Jim McGreevey and “Bishop” Gene Robinson come immediately to mind – who seemingly had no trouble marrying and carrying on with members of the opposite sex.

    But the problem is that the core value of the gay and lesbian community is dodging responsibility for one’s actions and refusing to accept any consequences of their behavior. Hence the “genetic” excuse; it’s really nothing more than being unwilling to be responsible for one’s choices.

    For someone who spends as much time as you screaming about other people not passing judgment on your choices, you sure are willing to pass judgment on theirs. How about practicing what you preach and being tolerant? Or was that just your way of trying to shut up all criticism of what you do?

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — July 14, 2011 @ 12:29 am - July 14, 2011

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