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  1. If Obama reluctantly coming to support gay marriage (but still doing nothing about it) is “historic”, then history was equally made before, when Dick Cheney took similar positions.

    Lesbians didn’t scream and cry back then. I wonder why not? Perhaps the real subtext here is that Democrats would normally expect their black (or mixed, in Obama’s case) and/or male officials to be homphobic.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — May 10, 2012 @ 7:11 pm - May 10, 2012

  2. (continued) Hence, their great joy and surprise, when finally one isn’t.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — May 10, 2012 @ 7:20 pm - May 10, 2012

  3. LGBT civil rights attorneys

    Really? That’s a thing?

    ILoveCapitalism, if that were true, they would also be joyous and surprised when a supposedly right-wing fascist (i.e. Dick Cheney) supports gay marriage.

    I think the real reason many of them didn’t celebrate Dick Cheney’s position is that a right-wing fascist like Dick Cheney supporting gay marriage disrupts the narrative. Or they just hate him, regardless of what he says.

    Comment by Rattlesnake — May 10, 2012 @ 7:26 pm - May 10, 2012

  4. I guess those lesbians are “obviously mildly retarded.”

    Comment by Rattlesnake — May 10, 2012 @ 7:30 pm - May 10, 2012

  5. Yes. . .Ellen is fabulous

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSWBFFXnksc

    Comment by rusty — May 10, 2012 @ 7:48 pm - May 10, 2012

  6. i celebrated dick cheney’s comments on freedom in marriage (and still do!). it’s a shame others let their partisan blinders get the best of them.

    similarly, i am elated by barack obama’s statements. and again, it’s a shame that many people here aren’t celebrating his position. aren’t there other things he can be criticized on genuinely, substantively?

    this urge to find faults, shortcomings, and deceptiveness, at every turn, in your political/ideological opponents, is what is preventing a gay movement that is truly or largely beholden to neither party…

    Comment by daftpunkydavid — May 10, 2012 @ 7:54 pm - May 10, 2012

  7. Love Ellen. Thanks for that Rusty.

    Comment by Cinesnatch — May 10, 2012 @ 7:54 pm - May 10, 2012

  8. “History? History? All we get is a man making a statement… Guess that’s the way it is when your schoolgirl crush blows you a kiss.”

    This is needlessly insulting and willfully blind. Yes, we have a sitting president making a statement. What have you got? A candidate who cautiously says same-sex couples should have some rights but not others, without specifying what others. Ooo — such courage!

    It’s easy to see that Obama could have said and done much more. But what he has said and done? That’s historic — unprecedented in American history. To pretend otherwise is (to use a favorite social conservative term) perverse.

    Comment by rt — May 10, 2012 @ 9:57 pm - May 10, 2012

  9. Or to put it another way: Dan, if you can identify another sitting president who endorsed same-sex marriage in an election year — wait, scratch that — who endorsed in ANY year they were in office, then I’ll accept your rejection of this as historic.

    Otherwise, you’re not just on thin ice; you’re drowning in frozen water, gasping for air.

    Comment by rt — May 10, 2012 @ 10:04 pm - May 10, 2012

  10. This is no more courageous or less political than Bush endorsing the FMA in 2004.

    Comment by V the K — May 10, 2012 @ 10:05 pm - May 10, 2012

  11. Proposing entitlement reform in an election year… something critically important and extremely critical… that would be politically courageous. Announcing that you agree with the majority of your political base and big money donors… not so much.

    This is like when Hollywood gives itself awards for its “courage” in making pro-abortion or anti-war movies… as if any Hollywood liberal is going to have her career set back by being openly pro-abortion or anti-war.

    Comment by V the K — May 10, 2012 @ 10:10 pm - May 10, 2012

  12. The gay left doesn’t seem to notice they are being played like a fiddle. Even when I point it out to some of them, they don’t care.

    Comment by Jimmy — May 10, 2012 @ 10:10 pm - May 10, 2012

  13. Some of you seem to view gays as a homogeneous voting bloc who vote based upon nothing but issues related to homosexuality.

    I’ll repeat part of a comment I made in another thread:

    Obama has been an incompetent and corrupt president, the worst in that regard since at least Jimmy Carter and possibly since before him.

    Let’s see, there is Solyndra and the other venture socialist “investments,” Fast & Furious, failed foreign policy, failed domestic policy (i.e. the economy), and his divisiveness. That is only to name a few things. Anything he did wrong in his announcement of support for gay marriage is not even close to being as bad as any of those other things.

    As others have said, this is just a “shiny toy” or a distraction from those other things; another in a long line of “shiny toys.” That is another reason why this announcement was politically expedient at this point.

    Obama’s announcement is entirely irrelevant, especially considering he hasn’t actually done anything (even when he had the opportunity before 2010). Again, it is a distraction and a way to get money for his campaign.

    Comment by Rattlesnake — May 10, 2012 @ 10:16 pm - May 10, 2012

  14. Obama-gasms are quite noisy, messy and embarrassing for all who witness them. I have witnessed several in the last couple of days. Yuck!

    Nearly six months remain until the election? I may have to go into hibernation until it’s over. I must be getting old, because I don’t have the patience for this sort of long-running theater of the absurd anymore.

    Comment by Lori Heine — May 10, 2012 @ 10:33 pm - May 10, 2012

  15. Yeah, you be back Lori!

    Comment by rusty — May 10, 2012 @ 10:55 pm - May 10, 2012

  16. Liberals are impressed by words and symbols. (“Hope and Change” for example). Whereas conservatives are impressed by actions and results. It’s one of the defining differences between our two philosophies.

    Comment by V the K — May 10, 2012 @ 11:04 pm - May 10, 2012

  17. That’s the problem with one or two issue voters. If you’re gay, only look at “gay issues”. Don’t think about imperative concerns like budget deficits, tax reform, the sluggish economy. Yes, gay marriage is tantamount for homosexual Americans. How shallow can you be? This is comparable to hispanics that look primarily at immigration, or blacks who deem civil rights and welfare the only concern of theirs.

    Comment by davinci — May 10, 2012 @ 11:25 pm - May 10, 2012

  18. Yes, Obama is all talk, no action.
    Let’s look at the republicans. Today, they introduced a clause in the defense bill that will prohibit members of the armed forces to marry and continue serving our country.
    This is a concrete example of conviction. This is what gay patriots are talking about. Not that silly symbolic gestures of the president acknowledging us, gays.
    I don’t get you people! And I have a Masters.

    Comment by George insane — May 11, 2012 @ 12:19 am - May 11, 2012

  19. And I have a Masters.

    Big f***ing deal.

    Comment by Rattlesnake — May 11, 2012 @ 12:51 am - May 11, 2012

  20. As Mitt would say,
    Atta girls,
    Here is another reason to vote the Kenian out of office

    ————————

    The Democrats’ top leader in Congress said Thursday that the party’s platform will soon include a plank calling for the legalization of gay marriage.

    “The president’s in favor of it — I’m sure it will be [included],” said Reid.

    Comment by George insane — May 11, 2012 @ 1:06 am - May 11, 2012

  21. “This is like when Hollywood gives itself awards for its “courage” in making pro-abortion or anti-war movies”

    Please cite examples. I haven’t seen a pro-abortion film lately.

    Comment by Cinesnatch — May 11, 2012 @ 1:55 am - May 11, 2012

  22. Welcome back Lori.

    Comment by Cinesnatch — May 11, 2012 @ 1:57 am - May 11, 2012

  23. Big f***ing deal.

    I could be wrong here, but I read George’s Masters comment as being self-deprecating.

    Comment by Cinesnatch — May 11, 2012 @ 1:58 am - May 11, 2012

  24. The gay left doesn’t seem to notice they are being played like a fiddle. Even when I point it out to some of them, they don’t care.

    As worshippers of the State, they need its Leader to validate their lives. They feel orgasmic joy (weeping and crying) when He does.

    Weird.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — May 11, 2012 @ 2:18 am - May 11, 2012

  25. (aargh typo, meant ” -screaming- and crying” per Dan’s cite)

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — May 11, 2012 @ 2:48 am - May 11, 2012

  26. Vince,
    While not a film, google abortion and Grey’s Anatomy some time.

    Comment by The Livewire — May 11, 2012 @ 8:01 am - May 11, 2012

  27. Heh heh heh. I love our commenters!

    Comment by Bruce (GayPatriot) — May 11, 2012 @ 8:12 am - May 11, 2012

  28. Cinesnatch, you are correct. Thank you for explaining.

    Comment by George insane — May 11, 2012 @ 9:59 am - May 11, 2012

  29. Any body else found it rather ironic that Obama is doing the exact same thing George Bush did in 2004? Running on same-sex marriage to get money and votes and distract us from what we should be focusing on.

    Comment by MV — May 11, 2012 @ 10:09 am - May 11, 2012

  30. @MV,

    While I don’t feel the 2004 elections were about SSM, I do agree it’s funny to see Obama pandering. It’s sad that people are falling for it.

    Comment by The Livewire — May 11, 2012 @ 10:27 am - May 11, 2012

  31. “12.The gay left doesn’t seem to notice they are being played like a fiddle.”

    The thing is they want the endorsement. It means validation. Its another person who declared they want it. It’s sort of a religious experience.

    In politics, its a minor victory. It’s like we know Bush is a Christian, but he didn’t do anything about abortion. Then Bush is gone and replaced with Obama. Obama will be replaced by Romney and things remain where they were.

    Comment by anon23532 — May 11, 2012 @ 10:45 am - May 11, 2012

  32. VP Cheney gave a much more impressive statement. He said Gay marriage is a right, each state will decide if they want to give this right or not.
    Obama just came out with the usual liberal feel good talk – I feel, that gays should be allowed to marry – make sure it’s all about him – me,me,me. But that is enough for the left and they go apeshit, meanwhile I haven’t seen any change in the law regarding gay spouses of federal employees.

    Comment by Leah — May 11, 2012 @ 11:30 am - May 11, 2012

  33. Let’s look at the republicans. Today, they introduced a clause in the defense bill that will prohibit members of the armed forces to marry and continue serving our country.

    Comment by George insane — May 11, 2012 @ 12:19 am – May 11, 2012

    Wrong

    The House Armed Services Committee voted Wednesday to protect service members, especially chaplains, from persecution for opposing the presence of gays in the military.

    Rep. Todd Akin, R-Mo., said the amendment to the 2013 defense authorization bill protects religious freedom of military chaplains and the conscience and moral principals of service members who are opposed to homosexuality but feel pressured since the 2011 repeal of the military’s gay ban to hide their beliefs out of fear of recrimination.

    It passed by a 36-25 vote…..

    On a 37-24 vote, the committee also passed a second amendment prohibiting same-sex marriages or a “marriage-like ceremony” that involves a same-sex couples from being held at any military installation or on any property owned, rented or under the control of the Defense Department.

    So you just flat-out lied, George.

    But again, that’s no surprise. You’re just a talking-points repeater saying the things Barack Obama tells you to say. You can’t think beyond what Barack Obama orders you to think, nor can you actually do your own research.

    Obama is a liar. And you are a fool for repeating his lies. But that’s all we’re going to get from you and your fellow Ministry of Propaganda, Lavender Division hacks for the next six months — lots of lies, and then when you get cornered, more screaming of “Sieg Heil! Seig Heil! Obama uber alles!”

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — May 11, 2012 @ 11:32 am - May 11, 2012

  34. TLW >

    Grey’s Anatomy is not a “movie.”

    Google that.

    Comment by Cinesnatch — May 11, 2012 @ 11:32 am - May 11, 2012

  35. Someone on here reminds me of someone you’d find in the Hitler-Jugend, based on the way s/he communicates. Yet, my understanding is if you met that someone, s/he wouldn’t fit anywhere near that description.

    Comment by Cinesnatch — May 11, 2012 @ 11:40 am - May 11, 2012

  36. Better yet TLW, google “Grey’s Anatomy” and “ratings” and educate yourself that the once extremely popular show only has half the audience it used to. And then google “relevancy.”

    Comment by Cinesnatch — May 11, 2012 @ 11:44 am - May 11, 2012

  37. I think VTK meant to say …
    This is like when Hollywood gives itself awards for its “courage” in making pro-abortion … movies …

    … like “Juno” …

    … oh wait … whoops …

    …Diablo Cody won an OSCAR (i.e. Hollywood rewarding itself for its “courage”) for a movie where a girl KEEPS HER BABY.

    And made a sh!t-ton of money

    Google that.

    Comment by Cinesnatch — May 11, 2012 @ 12:17 pm - May 11, 2012

  38. I don’t get how mentioning you have a masters degree can be self-deprecating.

    Comment by Rattlesnake — May 11, 2012 @ 12:34 pm - May 11, 2012

  39. Someone on here reminds me of someone you’d find in the Hitler-Jugend, based on the way s/he communicates. Yet, my understanding is if you met that someone, s/he wouldn’t fit anywhere near that description.

    Comment by Cinesnatch — May 11, 2012 @ 11:40 am – May 11, 2012

    Actually, Cinesnatch, the Hitler Jugend were more known for threatening peoples’ families and attempting to blackmail elected officials.

    Just like you do.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — May 11, 2012 @ 12:34 pm - May 11, 2012

  40. “I don’t get you people! And I have a Masters.”

    The way I read the comment was: I have gone to school for all this time and should be intelligent enough to understand what is going on here and I don’t. WTF. This isn’t rocket science. Give me my money back.

    Or, something like that.

    Comment by Cinesnatch — May 11, 2012 @ 12:43 pm - May 11, 2012

  41. That’s funny. I’ve never threatened anyone’s family or blackmailed an elected official. But, then, I don’t make sh!t up about people either. And to understand the mind of someone who does would require a wealth of knowledge and experience I’d imagine a Master’s couldn’t provide.

    Comment by Cinesnatch — May 11, 2012 @ 12:47 pm - May 11, 2012

  42. That’s funny. I’ve never threatened anyone’s family or blackmailed an elected official.

    Comment by Cinesnatch — May 11, 2012 @ 12:47 pm – May 11, 2012

    Wrong. Very wrong.

    Of course, I can see why you wouldn’t want that out there publicly, Cinesnatch; it’s quite a betrayal of trust on your part, and it shows how you exploit other people to your own ends.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — May 11, 2012 @ 12:51 pm - May 11, 2012

  43. ND30 >> You should start a pretzel business or become a contortionist.

    Comment by Cinesnatch — May 11, 2012 @ 12:53 pm - May 11, 2012

  44. See Vince, see Vince fail reading.

    Fail Vince, Fail.

    Comment by The Livewire — May 11, 2012 @ 12:53 pm - May 11, 2012

  45. The fact that I missed “while not a film” is all you got, TLW?

    LOL.

    *Hush, Levi, I hear an adult from the Peanuts cartoon talking*

    Comment by Cinesnatch — May 11, 2012 @ 12:55 pm - May 11, 2012

  46. And don’t miss the latest: Barack Obama and the Obama Party are now paying investigators to dig up dirt on the people on Obama’s enemies lists.

    Wonder if HRC, Stonewall, GLAAD, and others want to discuss this company and these investigators?

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — May 11, 2012 @ 12:57 pm - May 11, 2012

  47. I mean no disrespect to anyone, but I feel something like pity or sadness towards the two gushing lesbians mentioned at the top of the article.

    Are people’s lives so doggedly serious and enmeshed with mainstream acceptance that an announcement from a career politician who has waffled on the issue since as far back as 1996 brings tears to their eyes?

    Comment by niall — May 11, 2012 @ 1:13 pm - May 11, 2012

  48. Liberals are impressed by words and symbols.

    They also have an unseemly fondness for uniforms, steel boots and brass knuckles.

    Comment by Bastiat Fan — May 11, 2012 @ 1:19 pm - May 11, 2012

  49. Rattlesnake @19: What George Insane is indulging in, and he should know this being an educated genius with a Masters, is a logical fallacy called the “argument from authority.” It’s a favorite among our progressive betters.

    Comment by Bastiat Fan — May 11, 2012 @ 1:21 pm - May 11, 2012

  50. My apologies. I should have followed the George Insane thread further down. He was not doing the “argument from authority,” and does appear to have been engaging in self-deprecating humor.

    Comment by Bastiat Fan — May 11, 2012 @ 1:25 pm - May 11, 2012

  51. I am glad that every one is happy about Obama’s statement, even tho he is on record as far back as 1996 waffling on the issue.

    Here is how Romney should respond: “I support (or don’t support) the right for gays to marry each other, but I agree with Obama it is state issue.”

    Situation diffused. Ball back into Obama’s court.

    What does he do? He starts pandering to the far right.

    I have no confidence in Romney’s ability to navigate campaign waters without emerging looking like a petty and befuddle fool. There is so much to throw back at Obama.

    Comment by niall — May 11, 2012 @ 1:30 pm - May 11, 2012

  52. Niall >> You should be a strategist on the campaign.

    Comment by Cinesnatch — May 11, 2012 @ 1:35 pm - May 11, 2012

  53. NDT #42: Went to your second link, threw in my two cents.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — May 11, 2012 @ 2:00 pm - May 11, 2012

  54. *sigh*

    I’d like to apologize to my fellow posters. I got sucked into making the thread about Vince like he loves. I should have realized his inability to read would be a halmark.

    I now return you to your regularly scheduled discussion.

    Comment by The Livewire — May 11, 2012 @ 2:02 pm - May 11, 2012

  55. If anyone thinks this announcement is genuine is brain dead. If this is not a cynical ploy to cover for his rampant incompentency, I don’t know what is. Shame on the LBGT community for falling this first class fool!!

    Comment by Scherie — May 11, 2012 @ 2:02 pm - May 11, 2012

  56. TLW, Actually, it’s about VTK’s assertion that Hollywood rewards itself for making pro-abortion movies like it’s a rampant, current occurrence. But, you turned it into something else that regarded a TV show that has half the audience it used to, that got nominated for one Emmy last year for best special guest star, rather than combat the pro-life example of Juno that made hundreds of millions of dollars and won an Oscar for Best Original Screenplay four years ago.

    *Hush, Levi, I hear an adult from the Peanuts cartoon talking*

    Comment by Cinesnatch — May 11, 2012 @ 2:17 pm - May 11, 2012

  57. Cinesnstch: We are getting closer to the day when sexual orientation is not that much of a campaign issue. Not quite there yet. It will happen.

    Comment by niall — May 11, 2012 @ 2:33 pm - May 11, 2012

  58. I don’t get you people! And I have a Masters.

    It’s bragging in a backhanded way. Furthermore, I could claim to have a masters degree here, but that wouldn’t necessarily mean I have one. There was really no point to that remark, other than to say “I have a masters! Look how smart I am! You people are stupid, because you don’t make sense to a smart person like myself!” It has no basis in anything, unless Mr. Insane can somehow prove he actually has a Masters degree.

    Furthermore, North Dallas Thirty refuted Mr. Insane’s comment in comment #33, so his whole comment is moot anyway (as is the basis for his “reasoning”).

    Comment by Rattlesnake — May 11, 2012 @ 5:36 pm - May 11, 2012

  59. I guess snatch has never heard of ‘The Cider House Rules.’ (7 noms 2 oscars) for an avowed pro-abort propaganda Film.

    Comment by V the K — May 11, 2012 @ 6:34 pm - May 11, 2012

  60. Came from the same industry Juno did, which made more money. Guess you never heard of that one, yourself.

    Comment by Cinesnatch — May 11, 2012 @ 6:57 pm - May 11, 2012

  61. Rattlesnake, you’ve taken somebody’s words that apparently are open to interpretation and assert your take on them as fact. Anyone can do that on the internet, as well. It certainly doesn’t render one’s opinion factual. Like I said, I interpreted those words to mean a certain thing without claiming whether or not it was his intent. But, in the case you have free access to his brain, I’ll defer to you.

    Comment by Cinesnatch — May 11, 2012 @ 7:06 pm - May 11, 2012

  62. Cinesnatch, the conclusion I drew is the only one that makes sense to me. Your explanation didn’t satisfy me. Yes, my comment is my opinion and I apologize for stating it as an assertion. Obviously, I have no way of knowing what Mr. Insane’s intent was. My conclusion is drawn entirely from what he said.

    Comment by Rattlesnake — May 11, 2012 @ 7:42 pm - May 11, 2012

  63. *Hush, Levi, I hear an adult from the Peanuts cartoon talking*

    I don’t know what’s funnier. That Vince can’t come up with an original thought, or that he admits he doesn’t understand what adults are saying.

    Comment by The_Livewire — May 11, 2012 @ 8:39 pm - May 11, 2012

  64. TLW, Obviously, you have never seen and/understood the Peanuts.

    And, I have plenty of original thoughts. But, your favorite tagline was in need of a little tweaking.

    To borrow another commonly used ILC phrase, FIFY.

    Comment by Cinesnatch — May 11, 2012 @ 8:51 pm - May 11, 2012

  65. What’s this fixation with me? Really.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — May 11, 2012 @ 9:48 pm - May 11, 2012

  66. Not a fixation. Just giving credit to where (credit’s due) I learned it from.

    Looks like you taught me a handful of phrases. Thanks ILC!

    ;)

    Comment by Cinesnatch — May 11, 2012 @ 10:03 pm - May 11, 2012

  67. But did you learn to use them at the right moment? I.e., when you are right? Harder to say.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — May 11, 2012 @ 11:19 pm - May 11, 2012

  68. Yes, I believe my recent uses of FIFY and “suck it” have been used correctly.

    Comment by Cinesnatch — May 12, 2012 @ 12:29 am - May 12, 2012

  69. As I said: Harder to say.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — May 12, 2012 @ 10:17 am - May 12, 2012

  70. (Since you claim me as your authority/example here, yes you submit yourself to MY judgment as to whether and when you’re doing it right.)

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — May 12, 2012 @ 10:19 am - May 12, 2012

  71. There was all of one scene in ‘Juno’ that addressed abortion. ‘Cider House’ was 2 hours, 6 minutes of wall-to-wall pro-abortion propaganda, and all the comment at the Oscars was how ‘courageous’ the makers of the film were for making a film that agreed with what everyone in Hollywood agree with.

    Oh, and look… Hollywood is celebrating its support of killing babies for convenience … again!

    Comment by V the K — May 12, 2012 @ 10:40 am - May 12, 2012

  72. It’s pointless V,

    Vince has admitted he cannot understand adults.

    Comment by The_Livewire — May 12, 2012 @ 10:49 am - May 12, 2012

  73. In, “Greenberg … the abortion is downplayed in the movie … Hollywood has chosen to play it safe and keep abortion invisible … In recent films and TV shows about unplanned pregnancy, the heroine almost invariably decides to have the baby. In a much-debated episode of the racy HBO series, Sex and the City, a pregnant Miranda … decided against abortion at the very last minute—the same second thoughts have occurred on … Dawson’s Creek … Beverly Hills, 90210. In … Knocked Up, an ambitious career woman with a demanding job gets pregnant as a result of a drunken one-night stand. Amazingly, she never considers an abortion … abortion has disappeared from American movies over the last two decades …It’s encouraging that in cautious times, a few filmmakers are again willing to confront this highly charged theme and take the flak that comes their way.”

    The article you linked to says it all.

    I saw the movie when it came out … in the Spring of 2010. It made peanuts at the box-office. And, it wasn’t very good. In fact, it was a chore to sit through. And I don’t remember the abortion storyline, which maybe because I was too busy tuning on Ben Stiller’s self-absorbed character. The only saving grace is that it introduced us to actress Greta Gerwig. Watch for her. She’s going to be huge.

    Juno, et al, are representations of the trend that has happened in films and TV–shying away from women electing for abortion.

    Comment by Cinesnatch — May 12, 2012 @ 12:46 pm - May 12, 2012

  74. tuning out not on.

    Comment by Cinesnatch — May 12, 2012 @ 12:47 pm - May 12, 2012

  75. Vince has admitted he cannot understand adults.

    Indeed. He seems to live in a delusional world where Hollywood makes nothing but patriotic, family-friendly, pro-life films. ‘Lions for Lambs,’ ‘Redacted,’ ‘Valley of Elah,’ ‘W,’ ‘Frost/Nixon,’ ‘Kinsey,’ ‘Syriana,’ ‘Stop-Loss…” None of these movies ever happened.

    ‘Juno,’ FWIW, was an independent film produced outside the Hollywood system.

    Comment by V the K — May 12, 2012 @ 1:31 pm - May 12, 2012

  76. It’s sort of interesting that Hollywood hasn’t made a hagiographic biopic about Margaret Sanger, but maybe it’s not as easy to gloss over her racist views and support for eugenics as it was to gloss over Che Guevara’s psychopathic mass-murderer, when Hollywood made that fawning biopic ‘The Motorcycle Diaries.’

    In the real world, Hollywood has been proudly pro-abortion ever since Bea Arthur’s ‘Maude’ got hers back in the 70′s.

    Comment by V the K — May 12, 2012 @ 1:37 pm - May 12, 2012

  77. BTW, check out John Irving’s smug, self-congratulatory acceptance speech for the Oscar he won for ‘Cider House Rules.’

    I want to thank the Academy for this honor to a film on the abortion subject and Miramax for having the courage to make this movie in the first place. But especially my wife Janet, my children, Colin, Everett and Brendan — thank you, Brendan, for coming all this way. My best friend, David Colicchio*. The producer, Richard Gladstein. The director, Lasse Hallström, with whom I would work again in a second. And everyone at Planned Parenthood and the National Abortion Rights League.

    Like I said, only on the left is courage defined in terms of agreeing with what everyone around you is saying.

    Comment by V the K — May 12, 2012 @ 1:44 pm - May 12, 2012

  78. VTK, Thanks for completely ignoring the fact that The Cider House Rules would not and could not be made today, while throwing in everything into the conversation but the kitchen sink.

    Comment by Cinesnatch — May 12, 2012 @ 2:02 pm - May 12, 2012

  79. HBO developing hourlong drama based on the abortion practice of late term abortionist George Tiller.

    Comment by V the K — May 12, 2012 @ 3:14 pm - May 12, 2012

  80. The article is from October, it’s now May and it’s not in pre-production yet. Nice.

    And, I believe the subject was movies.

    Let’s steer back to where the conversation was …

    “This is like when Hollywood gives itself awards for its “courage” in making pro-abortion … movies …?

    “Please cite examples. I haven’t seen a pro-abortion film lately.”

    You cited an example, VTK: The Cider House Rules, a movie that was produced fourteen years ago, like it’s somehow now relevant, while ignoring the fact that Hollywood hasn’t awarded itself for making a pro-abortion movie since. Quite the contrary, we’re living in a time where such things have become somewhat taboo again.

    You won’t be satisfied unless the FRC manages to lift a multi-million dollar production of the Norma McCorvey 2012 off the ground. And, if it did, you’d find some technicality to wipe the egg off your face.

    By the way, VTK, you b!tch and moan about Hollywood’s lack of support for pro-life movies. Did you spend your money and support October Baby when it hits theaters in March? Didn’t think so.

    Comment by Cinesnatch — May 12, 2012 @ 3:36 pm - May 12, 2012

  81. As for movies that couldn’t be made in Hollywood, here’s some we’ll never see.

    - A movie about an honest businessman fighting to save his company and the jobs of his employees from overzealous EPA regulators.

    - A movie about a black civil rights activist who uses race-hustling and intimidation to shake down businesses and gain political power; all the while being fawned over by a liberal media establishment.

    - A patriotic docudrama about the heroic performance of US Marines in the battle of Fallujah,

    - A movie about an abortion clinic whose workers lie to authorities to protect the identities of rapists.

    Comment by V the K — May 12, 2012 @ 3:36 pm - May 12, 2012

  82. Again, let me steer us back to the conversation …

    You meant to say, “No, I haven’t seen October Baby, because I don’t put my money where my pie-hole is.”

    FIFY

    Comment by Cinesnatch — May 12, 2012 @ 4:09 pm - May 12, 2012

  83. My comment was that Hollywood (like Obama) congratulates itself for ‘courage’ for repeating the consensus opinions of its peers. A person capable of adult conversation would have understood that.

    Comment by V the K — May 12, 2012 @ 4:20 pm - May 12, 2012

  84. Was Hollywood congratulating itself with courage when it awarded Ben-Hur elevan Oscars?

    Comment by Cinesnatch — May 12, 2012 @ 4:49 pm - May 12, 2012

  85. Or, is that question not “adult” enough for you?

    Comment by Cinesnatch — May 12, 2012 @ 4:50 pm - May 12, 2012

  86. - A movie about an honest businessman fighting to save his company and the jobs of his employees from overzealous EPA regulators.

    It came out last year, to some very positive reviews about its look (gorgeous) and acting (lead performances considered outstanding, overcoming the wonky dialogue and subject matter) but… you guessed it… it was an indie production, and the Hollywood socialist establishment went all-out to knife it by spreading bad reviews, discouraging distribution, etc.

    Fortunately, Part 2 is being made as we speak.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — May 12, 2012 @ 5:14 pm - May 12, 2012

  87. and the Hollywood socialist establishment went all-out to knife it by spreading bad reviews, discouraging distribution, etc.

    Yeah … the HSE really put a knife into The Passion of the Christ, also, made for roughly the same budget ($20 – $30M).

    Are the positive reviews you’re speaking of ILC, the five people on Rotten Tomatoes? Which include the Rupert Murdoch lap-dog Kyle Smith?

    Comment by Cinesnatch — May 12, 2012 @ 5:35 pm - May 12, 2012

  88. Again, ILC, that movie you refer to was … like Juno… an independent production made outside the Hollywood system.

    However Hollywood reacted to Ben Hur 50+ years ago is irrelevant to the arrogance and self-congratulation that permeates contemporary Hollywood. The desperation in throwing up something so irrelevant reeks.

    Comment by V the K — May 13, 2012 @ 10:16 am - May 13, 2012

  89. Again, ILC, Hollywood wasn’t able to bury The Passion of the Christ. So, how did that happen again?

    Comment by Cinesnatch — May 13, 2012 @ 1:35 pm - May 13, 2012

  90. PotC was a movie about an honest businessman fighting to save his company and the jobs of his employees from overzealous EPA regulators? I never knew.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — May 13, 2012 @ 2:41 pm - May 13, 2012

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