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  1. Perhaps Signorile should try his advice on himself and see how things work out, before he starts giving advice to others.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — November 1, 2012 @ 12:21 pm - November 1, 2012

  2. I am publicly charging this a**hole with a hate crime. He needs to be charged with intent to commit murder and brought to justice.

    If the GayLibLeft and the feminazis were oh-so-”offended” at Rush’s comment regarding Sandra Fluke (who, IMHO, has had more hands up her dress than the Muppets), then they should be doubly outraged at this comment.

    One would hope so, in an all-things-being-equal society.

    Regards,
    Peter H.

    Comment by Peter Hughes — November 1, 2012 @ 12:22 pm - November 1, 2012

  3. Where can I get me some of that *liberal tolerance* ?

    Comment by Alan — November 1, 2012 @ 12:23 pm - November 1, 2012

  4. I saw Signorile in person back in the 90s, on his tour for his first big book. Even then – even with me being a gay lefty then, who liked a lot of what he said – he struck me as kind of a douche.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — November 1, 2012 @ 12:25 pm - November 1, 2012

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  6. Notice how the “oppressed” always tend to be more tyranical than their oppresors once they get power? Huge blind spot. Huge.

    Comment by Fen — November 1, 2012 @ 12:32 pm - November 1, 2012

  7. So I suppose the “It Gets Better” campaign is not supported by the likes of Mr. Signorile? At least Ibetter not hear of his endorsement of it because that would be highly hypocritical seeing his actual CONDUCT – no? People like Mr. Signorile are why I despise people who use “gay” as a noun.

    Comment by gatorgab — November 1, 2012 @ 12:34 pm - November 1, 2012

  8. @ Peter: “then they should be doubly outraged”

    Fen’s Law: The Left doesn’t really believe what they lecture the rest of us about.

    Hence, no outrage.

    Comment by Fen — November 1, 2012 @ 12:34 pm - November 1, 2012

  9. What a prick. There is no limit to lefty douchebaggery.

    Comment by SoCalRobert — November 1, 2012 @ 12:36 pm - November 1, 2012

  10. You guys commenting here might not have ever heard the slogan “No enemies to the left.” This behavior by Signorile is fine, even laudable if it’s for the cause.

    Comment by Steve Skubinna — November 1, 2012 @ 12:50 pm - November 1, 2012

  11. Amazingly, Signorile thinks “Obama supports gay marriage” (2:00).

    I know that Obama said He supports it, a few months back, but more recently He said that He intends to do nothing for it. Does Signorile know?

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — November 1, 2012 @ 1:02 pm - November 1, 2012

  12. Opie & Anthony were suspended for far less than this and they work for the same company.

    Comment by JT — November 1, 2012 @ 1:13 pm - November 1, 2012

  13. Any guesses what the outrage would be if this was Rush telling a gay liberal that he should commit suicide or be prohibited from voting?

    The left is filled with hypocrisy.

    Comment by Just Me — November 1, 2012 @ 1:16 pm - November 1, 2012

  14. There is a lesbian couple who live in my neighborhood who have a Romney/Ryan sign in their yard. They’re a very caring couple, who helped me a lot a couple years ago when my wife became ill.

    Klavan called it when he said the left’s main argument is “Because, shut up!”

    Comment by Astro — November 1, 2012 @ 1:20 pm - November 1, 2012

  15. Signorile has always tried to oppress us and force us to affiliate with lesbians and trannies and libs. I have a real job and a real life, and I’m NOT that screwed up mentally, so I’ve never been into playing the artificial nigger pity party. He wants us to sport the pink triangle 24/7 and be disgusting stereotypes. I’m not going to do it. I’d rather kill myself THAN vote for Obama, thank you!

    Comment by P D MacGuire — November 1, 2012 @ 1:26 pm - November 1, 2012

  16. Gay-on-Gay bullying. Nice. I guess Signorile isn’t old enough yet to be worried about Obamacare putting him to sleep when his healthcare is no longer cost-effective. Idiot.

    Comment by Laura — November 1, 2012 @ 1:27 pm - November 1, 2012

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  18. Does that mean the Gay Romney supporter is now out of the club?

    Comment by Carol — November 1, 2012 @ 1:51 pm - November 1, 2012

  19. The way to get this out there and possible viral is to retitle the above video like this: “Rush Limbaugh tells gay voter to kill himself – (or did he?…)” That will get the traffic to that video above.

    Comment by jack — November 1, 2012 @ 2:03 pm - November 1, 2012

  20. We all have the right to be who we are and not judged by others. That is wrong. You have no right to tell someone to commit suicide. Judge someone else by how you want to be judged.

    Comment by Coleen — November 1, 2012 @ 2:03 pm - November 1, 2012

  21. Obama seems to have a lot of really childish, self righteous, careless, hostile, little assholes supporting him. He seems to be their type of candidate.

    Oh well. That’s just one more reason to vote against the fool and all of the morons who try to intimidate people into supporting him or at least not supporting his opponent.

    Comment by palaeomerus — November 1, 2012 @ 2:05 pm - November 1, 2012

  22. I don´t know why we waste our energy discussing these incidents. The hate from the left is ingrained in their very being, and is intense from the gay left. Exposing it will not bring any ´mea culpa´from any of them. We should ignore them and go merrily on our way doing what we have to do to elect conservatives. I´m troubled by the turn of events. First there is Sandy and Governor Christe gushing all over Obama when a mere thank you for your concern and help would have been sufficient. It sounded like an endorsement, even though he said he doesn´t give a damn about the election. Now the jobs report which, unless its been manipulated, seems to favor Obama. If these things get him a second term, all I can say is he leads a charmed life.

    Comment by Roberto — November 1, 2012 @ 2:09 pm - November 1, 2012

  23. Well, he could have said it better, but what he was actually saying was that a gay person who votes for someone like Romney who wants to repeal DADT and reinstate and strengthen DOMA might as well vote for someone who wants him dead.

    I don’t expect Gay Patriot or it’s regulars to appreciate that kind of nuance at all, tho. Too subtle for them.

    Comment by TimPundit — November 1, 2012 @ 2:13 pm - November 1, 2012

  24. Ha-ha. See, the thing is, this caller, just like the host of this fine blog, aren’t really gay. It’s just like Clarence Thomas isn’t really black, Phyllis Schlafly really isn’t a woman and Marco Rubio really isn’t hispanic. Only southpaws need apply when identity politics has an opening.

    Comment by Jeffersonian — November 1, 2012 @ 2:20 pm - November 1, 2012

  25. As I recall Signorile made his bones by outing gay Republicans. Now we know why he never felt the need to out any gay Democrats. He hated GOP then and wanted to hurt those gays in the GOP. Nothing has changed. He’s still the vicious little guttersnipe he always was.

    Comment by Esau's Message — November 1, 2012 @ 2:32 pm - November 1, 2012

  26. This is total discrimination!!! Get a lawyer and sue this idiot!

    Comment by Pauline — November 1, 2012 @ 2:40 pm - November 1, 2012

  27. Tim- Way to condone bullying.

    Comment by Bruce (GayPatriot) — November 1, 2012 @ 2:45 pm - November 1, 2012

  28. [...] me… this is just like how blacks can call each other n*gger. F*ck you, you stupid dumb libs. Gay Left-Wing Radio Host Advises Gay Romney Supporter to Commit Suicide, Says He Should Not Be Allow… __________________ "If babies could vote libs would be pro life." [...]

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  29. Shorter Tim: It’s OK when a leftist does it.

    Comment by V the K — November 1, 2012 @ 2:52 pm - November 1, 2012

  30. Well, he could have said it better, but what he was actually saying was that a gay person who votes for someone like Romney who wants to repeal DADT and reinstate and strengthen DOMA might as well vote for someone who wants him dead.

    I don’t expect Gay Patriot or it’s regulars to appreciate that kind of nuance at all, tho. Too subtle for them.

    Comment by TimPundit — November 1, 2012 @ 2:13 pm – November 1, 2012

    Wrong.

    If DOMA equaled death to gays, you wouldn’t be commenting, you’d be dead.

    If DADT equaled death to gays, you wouldn’t be commenting, you’d be dead.

    You and your fellow bigots, including Signorile, screamed and sh*t yourself that if Bush was elected, there would be death camps for gays and that there would be mass killings of gays. You even said you were going to leave the country.

    Of course you didn’t. And of course there were no death camps. But you didn’t state that you were incorrect. You didn’t try to explain why you even believed such a thing. You didn’t lay out or re-evaluate your logic for believing these things.

    And now here you are again screaming that Republicans=death.

    Signorile is a liar. You are a liar. Both of you are malicious and desperate liars who will say and do anything to get what you want, including demanding that people be denied the right to vote and that they should kill themselves because they don’t do what you want.

    And this explains so much. You need “employment protections” because your behavior is appalling. You think that you should be able to maliciously slander your coworkers at will and openly demand that they kill themselves and still draw down a paycheck because of your sexual needs.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — November 1, 2012 @ 2:55 pm - November 1, 2012

  31. Oh so he was “actually” saying what he didn’t say. Got it, Tim. Such nuance! Funny how often lefties have to explain what one of their own was “actually” saying. Kinda like the “you didn’t build that” comment from Obama…What he “actually” meant was…you didn’t build that.

    Comment by FDavis — November 1, 2012 @ 2:57 pm - November 1, 2012

  32. This just infuriates me. The right are always the ones accused of being so intolerant of everything. It’s projection. They always blame us for things they themselves are guilty of. I’m just enraged about this. As I commented one other time. The people always begging others for tolerance are always the most INTOLERANT of differing opinions!!!

    Comment by Carol — November 1, 2012 @ 2:59 pm - November 1, 2012

  33. [...] Gay Left-Wing Radio Host Advises Gay Romney Supporter to Commit Suicide, Says He Should Not Be Allow… [...]

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  34. The election is just really not about social issues. It is about the fiscal death spiral this country is falling into. And I believe that is why we can simply agree to disagree on social issues. These matters can be fought over when we are no longer in such a unbelievable fiscal mess. We haven’t had a budget for over three years with deficits over a trillion annually! I don’t care about anyones private life as long as we can be respectful of each other, your life is none of my business and none of our lives should be the government’s business either. I have now and have had for years neighbors that I know are gay and we get along just fine. Certainly, hubby and I would be there for them if we are needed in case of illness or other difficulties but I still don’t think their personal lifestyle is any of my affair. And since they have an empty chair in front of their home, I think they agree with me that we need a change in DC.

    The viciousness of the left against any of “their voters” who stray from the liberal plantation is legendary. Any Gays, AA, women, union members or other groups who refuse to drink the Koolaid are always viciously attacked, absolutely nothing new. But the suggestion that the caller should take poison was especially vile.

    Comment by TexasMom2012 — November 1, 2012 @ 3:01 pm - November 1, 2012

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  36. [...] our friends at Gay Patriot, we get yet another example of the “more tolerant” set, who cannot stand to see someone [...]

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  37. [...] our friends at Gay Patriot, we get yet another example of the “more tolerant” set, who cannot stand to see someone [...]

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  38. Such tolerance.

    Comment by Passing By — November 1, 2012 @ 3:32 pm - November 1, 2012

  39. Tim: What Signorile “was actually saying”, was that he wanted his caller to be disallowed from voting, and/or to kill himself.

    You can’t sugarcoat this. So try to deal with it a little more honestly. You may be fooling yourself here – but not anyone else.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — November 1, 2012 @ 3:33 pm - November 1, 2012

  40. Michelangelo Signorile is a typical Leftist Borg drone.

    Comment by Sebastian Shaw — November 1, 2012 @ 3:34 pm - November 1, 2012

  41. So, have many days was it that Obama, all of a sudden, did a 360 on his gay marriage opinion? He was against for all of his life sans a few months.

    And, umm, yeah, we vote for the guy who “does it for the votes.”

    Wow, just wow.

    So, someone who is actually smarter than the radio host should kill themselves for pointing out the facts.

    Low information radio host. Intolerant, hate spewing piece of trash.

    Comment by what an intolerant, ignoramus — November 1, 2012 @ 3:35 pm - November 1, 2012

  42. The democrats are the most racist and intolerant folks that I’ve ever seen. I’ve been thrown out of their houses just for not agreeing with them when they brought up politics.

    Comment by Forrest — November 1, 2012 @ 3:36 pm - November 1, 2012

  43. The poor caller is also a bit of a ‘tard, it appears.

    Comment by JonInVa — November 1, 2012 @ 3:42 pm - November 1, 2012

  44. [...] our friends at Gay Patriot, we get yet another example of the “more tolerant” set, who cannot stand to see someone [...]

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  45. The election is just really not about social issues. It is about the fiscal death spiral this country is falling into.

    100% agree.

    Honestly whenever I watch interviews and people are asked why they are voting for Obama and the first things out of their mouths are lady part issues or gay issues my first thought is “are you even paying attention to what is going on right now?” My next thought is to wonder if they hold jobs and have bills to pay. Anyone who has a mortgage and has to pay bills right now feels the pinch of this economy.

    I can actually respect people who say they are voting for Obama because they still think he would be better for the economy-I might disagree, but I really don’t get people whose top reasons for choosing a candidate involves social issues in this election cycle.

    Comment by Just Me — November 1, 2012 @ 3:58 pm - November 1, 2012

  46. @23 TimPundit

    Listened to the audio. You’re lying, unfortunately.

    There was no such nuance here. The host encouraged the caller to go kill himself. Period.

    Comment by Hawkins1701 — November 1, 2012 @ 4:16 pm - November 1, 2012

  47. @Hawkins1701

    Expanded Tim: HE doesn’t NEED to listen to the the actual audio. The Narrative says that MS couldn’t have said anything low, vile, and hateful, because he’s a lefty. But Tim wouldn’t expect you to understand this like a fellow lefty could, because your brain is different — inferior. It isn’t fully developed to understand such nuance. In fact, you’re not really fully human. Maybe 3/5. But definitely subhuman.

    So killing you wouldn’t actually be murder — it would be more like smashing a bug. A bug that kills the planet with its hate. So actually all these bugs SHOULD be eradicated, in self-defense.

    So, it’s a leftist’s duty to kill all Republicans. That’s what Tim meant to say.

    Comment by Bender — November 1, 2012 @ 4:40 pm - November 1, 2012

  48. [...] the blogger Gay Patriot, we learn about some hate speech from Sirius XM "Out Q 108" radio host and gay-left [...]

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  49. Back in 2003 Michael Savage, an AM station talk show host, was fired by MSNBC for his anti-gay comments. Imus pretty much ruined his career after his comments about black people. And, Rush Limbaugh is ALWAYS being scrutinized and held under a microscope for what he says. Ann Coulter has been getting backlash for her “retard” comments. As long as we keep pandering to all the namby-pamby overly sensitive whiners this is how it will be. I don’t know about the rest of you, but I grew up with the saying “Sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me”. What happened to that?

    Comment by Ian — November 1, 2012 @ 5:40 pm - November 1, 2012

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  51. You vote for people who give you things? Yes that explains the selfish left.

    Comment by Leah — November 1, 2012 @ 6:02 pm - November 1, 2012

  52. …but I grew up with the saying “Sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me”. What happened to that?

    The FRANKURT SCHOOL and “Critical Theory.” THAT’S what happened to that. Google is your new best friend.

    Comment by Bastiat Fan — November 1, 2012 @ 6:11 pm - November 1, 2012

  53. Pretty short ethical hop from encouraging your enemies to commit suicide, to murdering them once you’ve decided their death is desirable. I’m just saying…

    Comment by @PurpAv — November 1, 2012 @ 6:26 pm - November 1, 2012

  54. i personally think you should just go & kill yourself,you friggin useless pile of human waste.do i hate you ? no i do not,but i just think that you are a waste of air that someone with at least half a brain could be useing.

    Comment by scott — November 1, 2012 @ 6:54 pm - November 1, 2012

  55. WOW, for just a moment there, I thought I was listening to right-wing talk radio.

    Comment by Denver Joe — November 1, 2012 @ 6:57 pm - November 1, 2012

  56. Gay marriage is a farce and nothing more than a means to an end for the gay activist. Civil unions could be had in ALL 50 states right now. But that’s not what they want, they want to enforce their values on Christians. If what you seek is equality, why not take equality under the name of Civil Unions?

    This radio host is an idiot, and I wish he would let me talk to him on his show … he’s scared.

    Comment by Aubrey — November 1, 2012 @ 6:59 pm - November 1, 2012

  57. i personally think you should just go & kill yourself,you friggin useless pile of human waste.do i hate you ? no i do not,but i just think that you are a waste of air that someone with at least half a brain could be useing.

    Comment by scott — November 1, 2012 @ 6:54 pm – November 1, 2012

    This is why liberals cannot ever be trusted with power.

    Ever.

    Anyone with whom they disagree they want dead. All that ever changes is the rationalization for murdering them. Too old, too young, “unwanted”, wrong political ideology, serving in the armed forces, it’s all the same; you are not on their favored list or have the wrong skin color, so they consider you a waste.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — November 1, 2012 @ 7:13 pm - November 1, 2012

  58. We are always lectured at by activists that gay teen suicide is the most horrible social problem in the world and that gay teenagers are so delicate that the slightest hint of disapproval from a conservative will lead to thousands of them spontaneously offing themselves.

    Given that, how is it Mike Signorile and TimPundit can even joke about telling a young gay person to kill himself? Doesn’t that put their “joke” roughly on par with jokes about the Holocaust?

    Comment by V the K — November 1, 2012 @ 7:16 pm - November 1, 2012

  59. I’m convinced that “liberal tolerance” means they tolerate it (instead of condemning it) when liberals are absolutely obnoxious and insulting so they can keep on getting their votes.

    Comment by Mandy — November 1, 2012 @ 7:19 pm - November 1, 2012

  60. Scott is the reason why the Pro-Choice crowd continues to exist.

    And yes, I went there. Deal with it.

    Regards,
    Peter H.

    Comment by Peter Hughes — November 1, 2012 @ 7:23 pm - November 1, 2012

  61. This is disturbing on so many levels. This lack of tolerance is astonishing – truly astonishing.

    Not for nothing, Obama isn’t all that for the LGBT community ANYWAY. He just told MTV that he does NOT support a Federal mandate for same sex marriage, but a state by state one (and he only said that because the deep pocket gay donors weren’t giving him money). Why people buy this BS is just beyond me, but they fail to look beyond the superficiality of his words…

    Comment by Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy — November 1, 2012 @ 7:53 pm - November 1, 2012

  62. Completely unacceptable behavior. Signorile should resign or be fired.

    Comment by XS — November 1, 2012 @ 8:28 pm - November 1, 2012

  63. If this guy lives in Utah, shouldn’t he be dead already? I mean, surely, in Utah, they already have some sort of extermination program for homosexuals.

    The poor caller is also a bit of a ‘tard, it appears.

    What, because he has trouble speaking? Good lord.

    Comment by Rattlesnake — November 1, 2012 @ 8:37 pm - November 1, 2012

  64. I think there is a problem with saying the opposite political party are all jerks. I think we can all see that jerkiness is not limited to any particular political group. There are jerks who say ridiculous hateful things on both sides. Clearly, Signorile is a left wing jerk who said a terrible thing to a gay person who supports Romney.

    As a lefty myself, I did read this on a lefty blog which condemned Signorile but I will also admit that I haven’t seen widespread outrage (yet) over his comments which do deserve condemnation.

    This is a tough time for the country and acting like half the country is our enemy is not helpful. I’m hopeful that one way or another we will try to find some common way to solve our problems otherwise I’m worried about what will happen to our country.

    Peace.

    Comment by Dan — November 1, 2012 @ 8:52 pm - November 1, 2012

  65. Wow. Are you guys not able to actually listen? Do you have to grasp at straws? I have no approval for the radio-guy and the way he was handling things, but he clearly said that voting for romney is *like* taking poison for a gay man. leave it to the rabid right to not even be able to hear the difference. I read through the comments, and it just goes to show that you can’t even stop to think and listen before the vile crap starts coming out of your mouths (fingers?). I was ready to slam the bastard if he was really telling someone to go kill themselves, but then I actually listened first. Guess that’s the difference between the rabid right and the rest of the world.

    Can’t come up with something real? Twist it around so you can hate anyway.

    Comment by jt — November 1, 2012 @ 8:58 pm - November 1, 2012

  66. I loved this comment on YouTube.

    “Gay person telling another gay person he is an idiot. I do not see the story here.

    I guess it shouldn’t “Get Better” for a select number of gays.

    Comment by Sonicfrog — November 1, 2012 @ 9:16 pm - November 1, 2012

  67. So typical. Granted, this radio host is just a hateful thug. I have a question for gay Obama supporters:

    So if the president will flip flop on his gay marriage position depending on what is politically expedient, if he’ll throw Hillary under the bus for Benghazi, if he’ll watch an ambassador die and do nothing to stop it, if his secretary of state will laugh about killing an unarmed man who is begging for mercy, if he’ll pass NDAA giving him the power to detain any US citizen without trial, then what would he do to the gay community if they aren’t needed for votes anymore? What if his positions are constantly evolving?

    Comment by AZ Mo in NYC — November 1, 2012 @ 9:44 pm - November 1, 2012

  68. As a gay lefty myself let me say how vile and disgusting that video is. Signorile should be ashamed of himself, if he’s capable of that. I’m a liberal Obama supporter, but I know ‘gay’ doesn’t mean ‘default democrat’. Don’t get me wrong, I can certainly appreciate the cognitive dissonance of a gay man voting for a candidate who embraces a constitutional ban on gay equality, but telling anyone to commit suicide is clearly over the top and unacceptable rhetoric. Hate is hate, and Michelangelo Signorile does NOT speak for me or any other flaming northeast liberals I know. Until tonight I’d never even heard of him.

    Comment by Brian Temple — November 1, 2012 @ 10:02 pm - November 1, 2012

  69. If you listened to the entire context, it was a metaphor!! Save your judging until you hear the whole program.

    Comment by Paul — November 1, 2012 @ 10:08 pm - November 1, 2012

  70. hi there, first time to this site. i am on the liberal end of the spectrum, and pretty much dislike Limbaugh, etc. i would just like to say this re the repulsive comments of Mr. Signorile: if you find that there is insufficient liberal outrage at his statements, it might be because no one knows who the hell he is. please kindly accept my personal revulsion at this jerk, but to my mind, he does not speak for liberals.

    thanks,

    Robert

    Comment by Robert Young — November 1, 2012 @ 10:39 pm - November 1, 2012

  71. The title is misleading and apparently most of the people here interpreted Signorile’s comments in a less nuanced way. Signorile did not in fact tell the caller to commit suicide. The illustration wasn’t even literal. He argued that voting for Romney would be a step backward for gay rights. The illustration was that this would be a painful and slow regression and, perhaps for a bit a drama, said it would be preferable to drink arsenic for a quick and less painful decline. As for the statement that the caller shouldn’t be allowed to vote–this was not a generalised comment on his validity as an American citizen to exercise this right. He prefaced this remark by accusing the caller of being ill-informed and yet making a decision (voting) based on that faulty information. A true democracy requires that the voter be well-informed to make a decision that impacts the self and others. Signorile is accusing the caller of being ignorant and employing that ignorance to create harm.

    Comment by JDM — November 1, 2012 @ 10:58 pm - November 1, 2012

  72. Signorile has been a pathetic provocateur and fraud for decades and is in no way representative of liberals or gays. Left wing, yes. And he should be fired for these particularly reprehensible comments. But gays who vote for Romney are sellouts who think they understand economics but are really just unsophisticated contrarians — or worse.

    Comment by nice strategy — November 1, 2012 @ 11:06 pm - November 1, 2012

  73. I’m gay, would never vote for Romney and I don’t know if I’ve ever been so disgusted with a comment from a person in my life. Signorile needs to apologize, stat. Unconscionable.

    You’all might consider how your reaction to paint all liberals with the same brush as this Signorile idiot isn’t really that different that how you perceive your treatment is from the evil liberals you all mention here.

    Comment by Cindy — November 1, 2012 @ 11:07 pm - November 1, 2012

  74. I’m not gay, nor conservative, nor far-left. I’m just an objective person who makes decisions based on facts and data. People here ask what would happen if Rush had said something like this? You’re right, it would be everywhere and reported day and night. But that’s to be expected given Rush’s profile. This guy here…his words were just as horrendous, and as a Democrat I sincerely wish he were taken off the air for saying such things. But to expect this to get the same treatment aas if Rush had said it is unrealistic. I’ve never even heard of the guy, and don’t’ listen to Sirius. If I were to meet him I think I’d be tempted to beat him down for what he said. But all in all, the right has clearly made it a point that there is no love for gays in their world. Time and time again. If that isn’t a perspective that makes you pause and think, then I feel for all of you wanting to belong to a group that has said, time and time again, very heinous things regarding being gay.

    Comment by Derek — November 1, 2012 @ 11:17 pm - November 1, 2012

  75. Wow, disgusting and unbelievable. I can’t believe this man is still on the air.

    Comment by Joan — November 2, 2012 @ 1:18 am - November 2, 2012

  76. With talk like this it doesn’t get “much better”, it gets much worse

    Comment by mark — November 2, 2012 @ 2:03 am - November 2, 2012

  77. And remember, folks…IT GETS BETTER!!!

    Comment by Mel Maguire — November 2, 2012 @ 3:06 am - November 2, 2012

  78. A true democracy requires that the voter be well-informed to make a decision that impacts the self and others.

    If this is the case, it should be a Romney win in a landslide.

    Comment by Just Me — November 2, 2012 @ 6:54 am - November 2, 2012

  79. To all the names I’ve not seen before, Hi!

    I am amused reading the defenders of this slimeball. Well amused in the ‘general contempt for humanity’ kind of amusement.

    I think the general spin from his defenders is that he wants to drag the caller, ‘kicking and screaming into the future’. But I’ll wait for our resident fascist to confirm that.

    Comment by The_Livewire — November 2, 2012 @ 8:16 am - November 2, 2012

  80. Signorile effectively throws TimPundit, jt and JDM under the bus:

    MSignorile Re: the gay Romney supporter who called the show, I botched up, and I apologize. bit.ly/TyOVmU

    One may question Signorile’s sincerity (or extent of apology), but let’s leave that aside. For now, the point is that even Signorile has more intellectual honesty about this matter than TimPundit, jt or JDM (comments 23, 65, 72).

    Brian T at #69 – Thank you!

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — November 2, 2012 @ 10:22 am - November 2, 2012

  81. So how many of you lefties throwing out the “he was taken out of context” defense defended Rush Limbaugh when he ridiculed Sandra Fluke’s demand for $3,000 worth of contraception?

    Comment by V the K — November 2, 2012 @ 10:38 am - November 2, 2012

  82. @Cindy — I am a lesbian and life-long liberal, and I heartily agree with you on both points. Though I would never vote for Mitt Romney due to a multitude of reasons, my partner of fifteen years is a lifelong Republican, and I long for the day when lgbtq people will have a REAL choice of who to vote for based on issues besides the fact that we’ve been used as scapegoat, boogey-man whipping boys by one of the two major parties for thirty-some-odd years now and continue to be so used. So, though I disagree with lgbtq Republicans, I very much respect them and am disgusted by the way members of our community treat our own brothers and sisters with different priorities and political world-views than our own.

    However, I find it especially depressing that comments sections on BOTH sides and on all issues are overflowing with virtually the same tribalistic nastiness. You can literally play MadLibs with it — just switch out a few key words and a long column of hateful rightist jerks turns into a long column of hateful leftist jerks. And it’s everywhere.

    THAT is really scary to me.

    Comment by shelly — November 2, 2012 @ 10:50 am - November 2, 2012

  83. I always love when the gay lefties come to visit. It always ends up being one giant set of jokes.

    The setup:

    You’all might consider how your reaction to paint all liberals with the same brush as this Signorile idiot isn’t really that different that how you perceive your treatment is from the evil liberals you all mention here.

    Comment by Cindy — November 1, 2012 @ 11:07 pm – November 1, 2012

    Aaaaaaand….the punchlines.

    Both before:

    But gays who vote for Romney are sellouts who think they understand economics but are really just unsophisticated contrarians — or worse.

    Comment by nice strategy — November 1, 2012 @ 11:06 pm – November 1, 2012

    And after.

    But all in all, the right has clearly made it a point that there is no love for gays in their world. Time and time again. If that isn’t a perspective that makes you pause and think, then I feel for all of you wanting to belong to a group that has said, time and time again, very heinous things regarding being gay.

    Comment by Derek — November 1, 2012 @ 11:17 pm – November 1, 2012

    What this demonstrates is that liberals really are vicious and amoral liars who hypocritically demand of others values that they won’t practice themselves and to which they won’t hold other liberals.

    This is really what liberalism is all about. Liberals exploit the good intention of others to seize power, which they then use to benefit their cronies and punish those who disagree with them.

    Furthermore, their words here tie back to what I pointed out above: they can always, ALWAYS equivocate for why the behavior of a liberal is justified, which in this case is so outlandish that one has to laugh.

    First, “Anything Bad Said About A Liberal Is Automatically A Lie, And Even If It Isn’t, It’s Your Fault Anyway”.

    Wow. Are you guys not able to actually listen? Do you have to grasp at straws?

    Comment by jt — November 1, 2012 @ 8:58 pm – November 1, 2012

    The title is misleading and apparently most of the people here interpreted Signorile’s comments in a less nuanced way.

    Comment by JDM — November 1, 2012 @ 10:58 pm – November 1, 2012

    Second, “Even If It Was Bad, The Target Deserved It Because I Say So”.

    Don’t get me wrong, I can certainly appreciate the cognitive dissonance of a gay man voting for a candidate who embraces a constitutional ban on gay equality

    Comment by Brian Temple — November 1, 2012 @ 10:02 pm – November 1, 2012

    Or, my favorite, “Even Though This Guy Has a National Radio Show, Is Being Congratulated For Being On the Out 100 Top Leaders of the Gay Community, And Is an Editor At-Large on The Huffington Post, He Represents No One and Nobody And No One Has Ever Heard of Him, So It’s OK For Him To Tell Other People To Kill Themselves”.

    I’ve never even heard of the guy, and don’t’ listen to Sirius.

    Comment by Derek — November 1, 2012 @ 11:17 pm – November 1, 2012

    Until tonight I’d never even heard of him.

    Comment by Brian Temple — November 1, 2012 @ 10:02 pm – November 1, 2012

    would just like to say this re the repulsive comments of Mr. Signorile: if you find that there is insufficient liberal outrage at his statements, it might be because no one knows who the hell he is. please kindly accept my personal revulsion at this jerk, but to my mind, he does not speak for liberals.

    Comment by Robert Young — November 1, 2012 @ 10:39 pm – November 1, 2012

    Signorile has been a pathetic provocateur and fraud for decades and is in no way representative of liberals or gays.

    Comment by nice strategy — November 1, 2012 @ 11:06 pm – November 1, 2012

    Of course, this is all bull; when a pastor at a tiny church in the backwoods of North Carolina makes a statement, these people all simultaneously crap their pants about how this represents the whole of the Republican Party, Christians, conservatives, etc. and applaud Mike “Die, Romney, Die” Signorile for pointing it out.

    All of these people who I just quoted? You’re all malicious liars and hypocrites who are trying to save your own butts. When you can actually state that what Signorile did was wrong WITHOUT blaming Republicans or making excuses for him, THEN you will be acting according to principles rather than towards malicious self-interest.

    But you will not and are not going to do that, because a) that would make you traitors and b) you don’t really agree that telling Republicans to kill themselves is wrong.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — November 2, 2012 @ 11:53 am - November 2, 2012

  84. [...] left-wing talk radio host and apparent douchebag, Michelangelo Signorile, told a gay Romney supporter yesterday that he should “kill himself” and that he “shouldn’t be allowed [...]

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  85. When you can actually state that what Signorile did was wrong WITHOUT blaming Republicans or making excuses for him, THEN you will be acting according to principles rather than towards malicious self-interest.

    That’s a fair critique of our leftie commentors.

    As regards Brian T’s little slam at gay Republicans, I discounted it (or took it as a pro forma thing to satisfy his fellow liberals), because of his “but” clause that immediately follows it. So, I took his comment as good-hearted on the whole.

    But Derek’s “but” clauses all worked in the opposite direction, serving to make excuses for the Left and show his *lack* of objectivity. Being objective is a lot like being good-looking: If you have to explicitly tell people that you are, then you almost certainly aren’t.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — November 2, 2012 @ 12:48 pm - November 2, 2012

  86. As regards Brian T’s little slam at gay Republicans, I discounted it (or took it as a pro forma thing to satisfy his fellow liberals), because of his “but” clause that immediately follows it.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — November 2, 2012 @ 12:48 pm – November 2, 2012

    Nicely put, ILC; in short, Brian admits that his liberal friends will not accept him blaming someone for their actions unless he also blames Republicans.

    That beautifully illustrates the mindset of the liberal left, the LGBT community, and the Obama Party. They are never to blame for anything. If they are to blame for something, it’s just as much the Republicans’ fault as theirs, so it cancels everything out.

    The other way in which liberals do this maliciously is the “false moderate” game. It was funny to watch “Dan” in comment #64 and “shelly” in comment #83 try the “both sides are evil” argument, simply because you know that neither of them is posting anything like that on the other side.

    Why? For the same reason that Brian T has to blame Republicans for Signorile’s actions; if they did, their friends on the “tolerant left” would tell them to go kill themselves.

    The answer is for all of these lefties to actually put their money where their mouth is and comment on Signorile’s site and the other lefty sites that are praising him about how disgusting they find his behavior.

    And they won’t do it. Instead, they come over here and blame Republicans and conservatives for what Signorile said. Just as with Christians, it doesn’t matter what you say; you get blamed because they can’t blame the people who would actually cut their heads off.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — November 2, 2012 @ 12:59 pm - November 2, 2012

  87. I’m so glad I don’t hate myself and others the way you do, its a shame that you can’t recognize the truth and be polite about what you believe. I’m praying for you because you really need help.

    Comment by Bren — November 2, 2012 @ 1:08 pm - November 2, 2012

  88. I know. This was pretty funny, from the Dan(64) comment:

    This is a tough time for the country and acting like half the country is our enemy is not helpful. I’m hopeful that one way or another we will try to find some common way to solve our problems…

    LOL. If he really feels that way, then he should start by protesting the incredibly-divisive Barack Obama. But he almost certainly won’t. If he is like his fellow lefties, then “the common way to solve our problems” that he has in mind is: Lefties win. Conservatives give up, die, go away, etc.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — November 2, 2012 @ 1:21 pm - November 2, 2012

  89. For example… If he is like his fellow lefties, then I predict he would be 100% unwilling to contemplate any budget deficit solution that does not involve massive tax increases. “Common way to solve our problems” would mean: Lefties win big, on taxes.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — November 2, 2012 @ 1:34 pm - November 2, 2012

  90. @NorthDallasThirty 87 — You don’t know anything about me or the others you mention. I DO voice the same sentiment on left-leaning sites (typically Towleroad) as I just did here, and yes, I get some flack for it though I have yet to be told anything as vile as that I should go die. No, I haven’t yet even looked at Signorile’s site. I first saw this story on Andrew Sullivan’s blog then I googled the story and this was the first and only site I clicked about it, and reading these particular posts felt compelled to reply as I did. Didn’t realize that even in *agreeing* with the majority of commenters here I’d be attacked for not having posted at enough it the right places to suit you! But it just goes to underscore my larger point about the hateful nastiness that’s ubiquitous among partisan commenters, yes, on BOTH sides.

    Comment by Shelly — November 2, 2012 @ 1:57 pm - November 2, 2012

  91. Dan, #64

    I think there is a problem with saying the opposite political party are all jerks. I think we can all see that jerkiness is not limited to any particular political group. There are jerks who say ridiculous hateful things on both sides.

    I don’t think anyone is claiming otherwise.

    jt, #65

    Can’t come up with something real? Twist it around so you can hate anyway.

    That is a great description of the left (in general).

    Brian Temple, #69

    I can certainly appreciate the cognitive dissonance of a gay man voting for a candidate who embraces a constitutional ban on gay equality

    On the other hand, I can appreceiate the cognitive dissonance of an individual voting for a candidate who obviously has contempt for individual rights (i.e. Obama). Romney isn’t perfect in that regard, but he is sure as hell better than Obama.

    JDM, #72

    The title is misleading and apparently most of the people here interpreted Signorile’s comments in a less nuanced way.

    Oh yes, “nuance.” If some lefty says something disgusting, it is only because people are too dumb to realize that it isn’t disgusting. Apparently a number of lefties (and Signorile himself) don’t see the “nuance” in his statement either. And regardless of whether or not he told the caller to kill himself, his statements were still disgusting.

    Bren, #88

    I’m so glad I don’t hate myself and others the way you do

    I’m glad I have enough self-respect to recognize that I am an individual first and not just some part of some amorphous “gay community.” All you gay leftists who insist that gay conservatives are “self-hating” or are “traitors” et cetera are just pathetic.

    As for the lefties who claim to have respect for gay conservatives (particularly Shelly) (and assuming they are sincere), thank you. It is refreshing to see that disagreement doesn’t have to equal contempt, and I am certainly willing to offer the other side the benefit of the doubt and treat them with respect if they will do the same for me. It seems to be more typical that the left always generalizes about the right, which is what I think NDT does in his comments (i.e. he uses the left’s own standards against them). Sometimes it is justified, but not always. Using those standards against people who don’t use them isn’t justified, in my opinion (although it is sometimes difficult to tell when people are being sincere or when they are just posturing).

    Comment by Rattlesnake — November 2, 2012 @ 2:28 pm - November 2, 2012

  92. @Rattlesnake — If I weren’t sincere in my respect for gay conservatives I guarantee my partner and I never woulda stuck it out for fifteen years so far, especially during this latest election season! : -) Agreeing to disagree unfortunately seems to be a dying art in this country.

    Comment by shelly — November 2, 2012 @ 2:36 pm - November 2, 2012

  93. NorthDallasThirty 87 — You don’t know anything about me or the others you mention.

    Actually, I know quite a bit.

    For example, you lauded Cindy for her statement of this:

    You’all might consider how your reaction to paint all liberals with the same brush as this Signorile idiot isn’t really that different that how you perceive your treatment is from the evil liberals you all mention here.

    Comment by Cindy — November 1, 2012 @ 11:07 pm – November 1, 2012

    but said nothing about these two statements:

    But gays who vote for Romney are sellouts who think they understand economics but are really just unsophisticated contrarians — or worse.

    Comment by nice strategy — November 1, 2012 @ 11:06 pm – November 1, 2012

    But all in all, the right has clearly made it a point that there is no love for gays in their world. Time and time again. If that isn’t a perspective that makes you pause and think, then I feel for all of you wanting to belong to a group that has said, time and time again, very heinous things regarding being gay.

    Comment by Derek — November 1, 2012 @ 11:17 pm – November 1, 2012

    both of which are liberals acting in direct contradiction of Cindy’s idea that we should not paint with a broad brush.

    So what this boils down to is, as ILC aptly put it,
    “Lefties win. Conservatives give up, die, go away, etc.”

    Ironically, this double standard is why you have as the august representatives of gay liberalism people like Mike Signorile and Dan Savage; you’ve encouraged their outrageousness and equivocated for them every step of the way, and now, like Dr. Frankenstein, the monster you created is running amuck.

    And your excuse is that the townspeople should share the blame for your creating it.

    Meanwhile, as for Towleroad, I’m quite familiar with your history there, including your attempt to claim that Mitt Romney is mentally ill, as well as your endorsing and supporting the rantings of Little Kiwi, who is famous around here for posting this gem:

    keep up the charade to make your families happy, boys.

    although, truth be told, do you know what you could do to please your fathers more than anything else? hang yourselves. tonight.

    you know it’s true. you little wimps offing yourselves would be the gift your dads would appreciate most of all

    Comment by Little_Kiwi — March 3, 2012 @ 12:14 am – March 3, 2012

    So your coming over here and ranting about how mean conservatives are while elsewhere you praise people who tell conservatives to kill themselves only makes you look like a complete and total hypocrite.

    But again, that’s typical. Whenever liberals call for civility, what they want is for conservatives to shut up.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — November 2, 2012 @ 2:44 pm - November 2, 2012

  94. I think (or hope) that it’s a given everyone understands that within large groups of people such as our two major political parties, there are a majority of good people and some bad, expressed with good and bad behavior. Thus, the important distinction isn’t whether such behavior exists but to what degree relative to their respective associations. In this sense and in my experience, the Democratic Party and liberals generally are far and away more objectionable.

    Comment by Ignatius — November 2, 2012 @ 2:45 pm - November 2, 2012

  95. I think (or hope) that it’s a given everyone understands that within large groups of people such as our two major political parties, there are a majority of good people and some bad, expressed with good and bad behavior. Thus, the important distinction isn’t whether such behavior exists but to what degree relative to their respective associations. In this sense and in my experience, the Democratic Party and liberals generally are far and away more objectionable.

    Comment by Ignatius — November 2, 2012 @ 2:45 pm – November 2, 2012

    You would think that, Ignatius.

    But as has been made clear in this post by our influx of lefties, one bad Republican means that all Republicans are bad, and one bad liberal only means that this particular liberal at that point in time was provoked by all those evil Republicans into doing something bad, and thus isn’t fully responsible in any way for his behavior.

    Again, the old adage: conservatives think liberals are misguided, liberals think conservatives are evil.

    This is why Dan Savage and Mike Signorile, both of whom have called for Republicans to either be killed or to kill themselves, plus Joe Jervis and John Aravosis, both of whom insist that Republicans are all Nazis and murderers who want to put all gays in death camps, are the leaders and representatives of the LGBT community. They express the values of the community, and their values are that you either do as they say or you are an evil monster who doesn’t deserve to live and should be killed for the good of society.

    We have to realize this. As ILC generously put it above, people like Shelly and Brian T may have enough of a shred of decency and moral fiber left to realize that what their leaders like Savage and Signorile are doing is wrong, but they are unable and unwilling to confront them. So, like enablers everywhere, they blame other people for “forcing” the abusers to be abusive and demand that those people give in and tolerate the abuse.

    The Obama Party and liberalism enable this. The Obama Party insists that nothing that ever happens to you is your fault, and that it’s always someone else’s job to pay your bills, buy you food, give you checks, and so forth, because of “racism” or “homophobia” or “privilege”, or whatever fool thing they can dream up. It’s all about spinning excuses for them to take at gunpoint from you who choose to work and give to those who don’t have to because they vote for Obama.

    That’s the reality. I refuse to hate liberals because that’s not worth my time to do, but I have no illusions about what they want or their methods. They operate at a childish level in which reality is nothing but a Silly Putty-construct that can be molded, defined, and ruled into whatever shape is needed to get them exactly what they want when they want it — and if someone dares to interfere, they threaten and carry out violence.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — November 2, 2012 @ 2:58 pm - November 2, 2012

  96. [...] and commit suicide because he dared to vote for a Republican.Via our friends at Gay Patriot, we get yet another example of the “more tolerant” set, who cannot stand to see someone [...]

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  97. why are gay republicans suddenly so silent about the entirely-bogus “gay liberal attack!” on Kyle Wood, Wisconsin GOP suckup?

    Comment by Pineapple — November 2, 2012 @ 3:36 pm - November 2, 2012

  98. Curious – you’re all so silent about the outright anti-gay prejudice and bigotry of the GOP.

    And Signorile’s point is simple – since you’re allowing anti-gay hatred to continue unchecked, because none of you have the balls to stand up to it, especially from the anti-gay bigots in your own family.

    Gay Liberals stand up to be counted and work toward ending prejudice and bigotry. You cowards sit there complaining about liberals in order to move the heat off of yourselves and onto “those liberal gays”

    Stop blaming liberals for the fact that your own families are ashamed to call you “Son”

    “oh, look! look what that liberal said!” – whatever you need to do to distract from the reality that your own party thinks you’re a bunch of wimps.

    Comment by VeeToThaK — November 2, 2012 @ 3:42 pm - November 2, 2012

  99. VeeTo-

    We have specific audio of Signorile’s bigotry and bullying.

    You throw out misguided generalities and prejudices.

    I’m not surprised.

    Comment by Bruce Carroll - @GayPatriot — November 2, 2012 @ 4:00 pm - November 2, 2012

  100. Pineapple-

    You must be a new reader as of this hour. Because we covered the entire Kyle Wood story, including the hoax, quite thoroughly here.

    So good bye, troll.

    Comment by Bruce Carroll - @GayPatriot — November 2, 2012 @ 4:01 pm - November 2, 2012

  101. VeeToThak sounds an awful lot like Li’l Kiwi, doesn’t he?

    Comment by V the K — November 2, 2012 @ 4:10 pm - November 2, 2012

  102. why are gay republicans suddenly so silent about the entirely-bogus “gay liberal attack!” on Kyle Wood, Wisconsin GOP suckup?

    Comment by Pineapple — November 2, 2012 @ 3:36 pm – November 2, 2012

    You mean like here, here, and here?

    Now, let’s see YOU cough up where you condemned the fake hate crimes that you and your fellow liberal bigots have been pushing.

    Or you can just run away and demonstrate once again how liberals like yourself are nothing more than inferior amoral bigots who demand of others standards that they cannot follow.

    Do you think your homosexuality is what makes you so ignorant and unable to do research before opening your mouth? Is that the excuse you’ve used to explain why you can’t do a simple Google search, or even a search of this blog?

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — November 2, 2012 @ 4:11 pm - November 2, 2012

  103. @Rattlesnake — the post you cite at Towleroad was not posted by me. “Shelly” is a common name. As to my not arguing with Derek and nice strategy, I saw a single post I felt worth seconding and hadn’t anticipated being expected to address everybody else in the entire thread with a “yay” or “nay”. Really didn’t anticipate having my post in *agreement* with most of the posters here and in *support* of gay conservatives in general pulled apart for failing to live up to some preconceived standard you have.

    Re: Little Kiwi — he can be as big an ass as Ratbastard and his various sock-puppets. They all from time to time make good points, but they’re so abusive to anybody that disagrees with them and so utterly predictable in their biases and unwillingness to even consider positions different than their own that they’re not worth arguing with. Only so many times you can bang your head against a brick wall before you start looking just as crazy as they do. But this is my first and only time at this site, so I have no idea of his history here nor of anybody else’s.

    As for not standing up to Savage and Signorile, I am not a frequent contributor to any of these conversations and as I said, this was the one and only site I went to after reading about this from Andrew Sullivan, and only because it happened to appear near the top of the Google results and the URL sounded interesting. I’m not a frequent commenter anywhere on the internet and typically only follow a few sites, but I have criticized both Savage and Signorile in the past over other issues. I think they’re both self-serving asses.

    You bemoan that Republicans are supposedly seen as a monolithic “evil” group by liberals, and yet your entire argument paints with a brush just as broad against liberals, and it seems to me most of your criticisms of liberals are common to die-hard partisans on both sides. Most of what passes for “politics” nowadays is nothing but tribalism, pure and simple, hence the viciousness.

    You many not “hate liberals,” but you’re

    Comment by shelly — November 2, 2012 @ 4:12 pm - November 2, 2012

  104. Yup, V the K, he does.

    And that’s because he is Little Kiwi, who is attempting to lie and trash GayPatriot over on Towleroad.

    Oddly enough, “Shelly” has not seen fit to call him out for it. Perhaps she is too frightened.

    It’s always amusing to watch people like “Shelly” and “Dan” be exposed as malicious liars and hypocrites who whine about “civility” while refusing to hold Obama liberals like their friend Little Kiwi responsible for his statements.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — November 2, 2012 @ 4:17 pm - November 2, 2012

  105. @shelly

    ND30 prefers the same shotgun that we often get sprayed with from the left. His citing of Little Fruit is an example of the quality of troll I see on this site. I myself prefer the sniper rifle to the shotgun, though I do see a purpose to a tactical nuke too :-)

    Glad you and your partner are able to get along. Unforunately, it has been my real life experience that the libs I talk to are more opposed to me being conservative than the cons I talk to are about my family, or personal preferences.

    Comment by The_Livewire — November 2, 2012 @ 4:23 pm - November 2, 2012

  106. I haven’t been to Towleroad today. I really don’t spend that much time in comments sections precisely because of people like you and them.

    @The_Livewire — I’m sorry to hear that. I think at this point in time both parties are leveraging tribalism and anxiety so a depressingly high percentage of people on both sides see the world and each other in black/white, good/evil, ally/enemy terms. I think living on the rural south and having lots of friends “on the other side of the fence” — Republicans, conservative Christians, etc. — and frequently finding myself defending friends on both sides against one another gives a certain perspective.

    Comment by Shelly — November 2, 2012 @ 4:48 pm - November 2, 2012

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  108. NDT, I think Shelly seems like a nice person (excusing that she directed a comment that was obviously meant for you towards me, but that was obviously just a mistake); a rare self-described liberal who also seems to be decent (particularly towards gay conservatives). I have no idea if what she is saying is true (and there is obviously no way to verify it, like most other things people say on the internet, and I see no reason not to give her the benefit of the doubt at this point. Obviously “Derek” and some other people are just posturing, but it doesn’t seem like Shelly is). Anyway, as much as the trolls deserve what you say to them, I don’t think people like Shelly do and it makes it very difficult to have civil discussions with people who have different points of view (something that would be nice to do once in a while) when you treat them like trolls. Shelly isn’t the one making sweeping generalizations about conservatives.

    Of course, it would be nice if Shelly explicitly condemns what Little Kiwi (and the other vile commenters herein) said, and she has a good opportunity here, even though it is implicit in her comments that she doesn’t approve of them.

    As for “VeeToThak,” that certainly sounds like Little Kiwi, only less deranged. I’m not sure why some leftists (apparently the “sheeple” variety who repeat the narrative and not the elites who control it) are so delusional and/or stupid that they actually believe what they are saying (assuming they do). It is simply beyond comprehension.

    Comment by Rattlesnake — November 2, 2012 @ 5:26 pm - November 2, 2012

  109. The “meanest” thing I’ve heard a conservative say this election cycle is “I hope Rachel Maddow cries herself to sleep November 6.”

    Pretty weak tea compared to, “People who intend to vote for Romney should commit suicide,” or Dan Savage wanting all Republicans to die.

    Comment by V the K — November 2, 2012 @ 5:28 pm - November 2, 2012

  110. NDT, I think Shelly seems like a nice person (excusing that she directed a comment that was obviously meant for you towards me, but that was obviously just a mistake); a rare self-described liberal who also seems to be decent (particularly towards gay conservatives). I have no idea if what she is saying is true (and there is obviously no way to verify it, like most other things people say on the internet, and I see no reason not to give her the benefit of the doubt at this point.

    Fair enough, Rattlesnake.

    Shelly, I apologize for popping off and offending you. Thank you for coming here in a spirit of true civility and conversation.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — November 2, 2012 @ 5:32 pm - November 2, 2012

  111. http://www.signorile.com/2012/11/i-botched-up-and-i-apologize.html

    Comment by yoga — November 2, 2012 @ 9:09 pm - November 2, 2012

  112. Thank you, Rattlesnake and NDT. Yes, I entirely disagree with Little Kiwi, just as I do with Signorile. I think basic human decency, compassion, empathy and reason need to come *way* before politics. I think we are all the sum total of all the places and situations we have been through in life and we see the world through our own limitations, but unfortunately we tend to believe our perspective is complete and objective and assume that everyone understands and perceives things the same way we do. And the more anxious and suspicious we are, the more likely we are to view those who disagree on points that matter to us as threats and assume their aims must be perverse or mean-spirited, or that they’re insane, brainwashed, stupid, etc., else they’d agree with us. Get a bunch of people on either side if a dispute clashing with one another and suspicion turns to aggression and negative cycles start forming that further reinforce the belief that the “others” are just a bunch of nasty, hateful barbarians.

    At least, that’s my theory at the moment. So I just try and stay as calm and detached as I can, but I don’t think any good can come from any of this vicious sectarianism. Respectful disagreement and debate are healthy and necessary. Hateful hyperbole and bigotry only escalate conflict and make problems more intractable.

    Comment by Shelly — November 2, 2012 @ 9:37 pm - November 2, 2012

  113. ILoveCapitalism, Rattlesnake and North Dallas: I listened to the original excerpt again. There is a pair of statements utilizing the suicide illustration. He first says “You voted for him [Romney] and it would have been much easier to go to the store…” I don’t know how anyone can fail to interpret this statement as analogy. The second is stronger: “Go to the drugstore. There are plenty of things you can get…’Cuz that would be the better way than the convoluted, twisted way you’re doing it…You’re stabbing yourself in the back…[drawing the analogy back to a Romney vote by this gay caller]. Indeed, the second statement is very strong and emotional, but it doesn’t step outside of the analogy. Here, as in my original post, I was simply pointing out what Signorile actually said, whether that be good, bad or indifferent. I wasn’t defending or chastising anything.

    Signorile’s apology accurately describes what he was doing:

    “After the caller said he voted for Romney, I said he should just get some arsenic, make a potion, and take it, which would be more painless. Not because I thought he should kill himself—I do not think gay Romney supporters should kill themselves—but because voting for someone who is committed to undermining your rights is a self-destructive behavior.”

    I wasn’t defending Signorile on any of his comments. What I was pointing out was that GayPatriot and Andrew Sullivan who linked to his post, simply stated that Signorile told a caller to go off himself.

    Regarding the “not allowed to vote” comment, Signorile is obviously frustrated with this caller who, in Signorile’s view, is expressly acting against his self-interest. Was Signorile a nice man at this point? Well, no. Unpacking his statement, one would probably conclude that the underlying belief is that people can make poor decisions with their freedoms. Again, I was merely unpacking what Signorile’s statements were and the ideas that may be behind them.

    My attempt found itself in a weird little category called “Anything bad said about a liberal is a lie.” I don’t know how my post found itself in this corner of the universe when I wasn’t making any qualitative statements about Signorile’s comments–be they bad, good or indifferent.

    Query: How does Signorile’s apology make me intellectually dishonest? I stated what Signorile was saying. Signorile agrees. It’s obviously an analogy. Your dislike of Signorile’s comments doesn’t make me intellectually dishonest for merely recording them.

    But Rattlesnake, you have me stumped. By nuance, I meant the intellectual rigour required to realize that he was making an analogy, not some dastardly code word to let someone off the hook. It may have been passionate and you may disagree with the underlying premise. You think that this premise is “disgusting” since you put aside the analogy entirely (“whether or not he told him to go kill himself…) And, well, that’s your opinion of what he said.

    What’s simultaneously fascinating and annoying is that my post landed me into membership of a tribe called “the lefties.” It’s HOW I got here. It would be equally stupid if what I said landed me in the Conservative camp (the “righties”??) I wasn’t aware I was participating in a fraternity rush! What was it that made me pass? Was it because I didn’t slit Signorile’s throat and therefore I can’t possibly be a Capulet? Is this what passes as research in your view, Rattlesnake?

    Sorry folks, when it comes to American politics, I f___ing hate football. Liberal and Conservative? Useless terms in pseudo-intellectual American reality but really useful ones to find out what body paint the stranger in front of you is wearing so you don’t accidentally harpoon him.

    NOTA BENE: I did not factually assert that I am a contemporary of either the Montague or Capulet families nor did I state to which I belonged. Nor did I imply that I have found a way to simultaneously keep my corporeal existence sustained for several centuries while I found a portal out of the pages of a play by William Shakespeare.

    Comment by JDM — November 3, 2012 @ 11:43 pm - November 3, 2012

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