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  1. You’re absolutely correct that Pres. Obama is, at least tacitly, encouraging this kind of divisive speech. However I don’t think either side is doing enough (or anything) to *dis*courage this. How did we get to the point that anybody on the other side of the aisle is ‘stupid’, or ‘doesn’t love their country’, or (my favorite) ‘as bad as Hitler’.

    I’m so disgusted with it that I rarely, if ever, read comments on any of the blogs/news articles/etc. I just can’t stomach, on either side, the disgusting speech I’m reading.

    BTW, I’ve only been reading your blog a few days, but so far I really like what I see. You appear to present news/arguments/etc from a rational point of view, without spouting off the extremes that are present on so many sites. Kudos!

    Comment by Dale — November 6, 2012 @ 11:50 am - November 6, 2012

  2. “I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend.” Thomas Jefferson

    Comment by rusty — November 6, 2012 @ 12:04 pm - November 6, 2012

  3. Great comment, rusty! Thanks for sharing. I agree wholeheartedly.

    Comment by B. Daniel Blatt — November 6, 2012 @ 12:05 pm - November 6, 2012

  4. You’re most welcome BDB

    Comment by rusty — November 6, 2012 @ 12:19 pm - November 6, 2012

  5. So I guess the Republicans must have all gotten together at some point and decided that someone saying ‘voting is the best revenge’ is a horrible thing that only horrible people would say, and they kept this a secret until just a few days ago. Forgive me, but I fail to understand why someone saying ‘voting is the best revenge’ is anything that any normal person should care about at all. If you think that the President is doing a terrible job and is ruining the country, than voting is the best revenge. You know as well as I do that there are millions of Republicans voting right now who are motivated by their distaste for Obama and liberals and government. It’s common for people to feel powerless and disenfranchised when the wealthy and powerful get away with bullshit, and voting is quite literally the only thing you can do about it. It’s how you get your revenge.

    That stuff that triggers the waterworks with you people is insane. And since you’re going to complain about divisiveness until the end of time, let me point out that Chris Christie, on his own, started showering Obama with praise after the hurricane. Let me also point out that this campaign featured a very long rant by Mitt Romney completely dismissing everyone in the country that doesn’t pay income taxes. It seems to me that if your big issue is unity and divisiveness, these are two illuminating events that you should start with. Instead, you’re pouting about how the President used a common turn of phrase because it implies that Republican policies were destructive. Let me be clear – Republican policies were destructive, and everyone should be voting against them at least partly for revenge.

    Comment by Levi — November 6, 2012 @ 12:20 pm - November 6, 2012

  6. If you had an employee who had been working for you for four years, screwed up everything he was supposed to do, couldn’t get along with other employees, and showed no sign that he was going to get any better… you’d fire him, right?

    Comment by V the K — November 6, 2012 @ 12:27 pm - November 6, 2012

  7. I don’t think we’re more divided then ever. What I see this year is conservative leaning people as angry about everything as liberal-leaning people were during the Bush years. I think we just have more visibility of that anger.

    The internet is a great resource for being able to find out as much information as possible about our candidates. But the blogosphere and social media – and the ease by which each are employed – have lowered the barriers to entry for the discourse and encouraged the angry to spout off whether they are informed or not. It is exacerbating the problem. Things people wouldn’t say in a conversation with friends they know would disagree, they now vomit all over Facebook, Twitter, and blogs. They spread rumors, half-truths, outright lies, and non-issues because it’s easy. And the volume of the anger just goes up.

    Comment by Neptune — November 6, 2012 @ 12:31 pm - November 6, 2012

  8. I can barely go near my facebook feed. As a personal rule I don’t do politics on my facebook feed (although I did make an exception for the wonderful endorsement of Romney in a Nevada newspaper). I wish my liberal friends had the same rule.

    Yesterday I checked my facebook and every single thing on my feed was a political cartoon, statement etc by a very liberal friend. I didn’t have a post from a different person until you get to the button at the bottom to load more posts.

    I seriously worry about some of these liberals if Obama loses. I confess I will be very sad and very concerned for my country if Obama wins, but I have no plans to slash my wrists, move to (well not really sure where a conservative moves to if they hate election results), or anything.

    I do fully plan to write my congress members and demand they hold Obama accountable for what happened in Benghazi.

    Comment by Just Me — November 6, 2012 @ 12:52 pm - November 6, 2012

  9. @Just Me

    I have a classmate who is adamant that Bush was behind 9/11, but when I ask him if he’s going to touch on a real government cover up (F&F, BenGhazi) his reply is that he doesn’t believe it because only Fox news reports it. (ignoring that, as usual, he’s wrong.)

    Comment by The_Livewire — November 6, 2012 @ 1:09 pm - November 6, 2012

  10. The marketplace provides some levity:

    http://www.adweek.com/adfreak/unhappy-after-election-jetblue-will-help-you-leave-country-144199

    Comment by Vince Smetana — November 6, 2012 @ 1:24 pm - November 6, 2012

  11. I heard about the JetBlue program on a local broadcast. I assume they’ll be serving beer to cry into.

    Comment by Ignatius — November 6, 2012 @ 1:38 pm - November 6, 2012

  12. If you think that the President is doing a terrible job and is ruining the country, than voting is the best revenge.

    But, since Mitt Romney isn’t the President yet, Obama screaming it makes no sense at all.

    And this was particularly entertaining:

    It’s common for people to feel powerless and disenfranchised when the wealthy and powerful get away with bullshit, and voting is quite literally the only thing you can do about it. It’s how you get your revenge.

    Which is funny, Levi, because if “the rich and powerful (are) get(ting) away with bullshit”, it’s been under OBAMA control of the government for four years.

    Which means Obama failed. You failed. Your “progressive” movement in that case is a failure, nothing but lies.

    The reason Obama is calling for “revenge” is very simple: again, Sultan Knish outlined it beautifully.

    There is not a single Obama voter anywhere in the land who believes that another four years of him will make this country better. Not a single one from coast to coast. No, what they believe is that he will make the country a worse place for those people that they hate. That he will have four more years to sink their ideas deeper in the earth, regardless of how many families go hungry and how many fathers kill themselves because they can no longer take care of their families. What they believe is that Obama will grant their group more special privileges and the rest of the country can go to hell.

    That’s all there is to it. Levi and his ilk aren’t voting for Obama out of any sense that Obama will do better; they’re voting for Obama because he fits their fascist desires that religious beliefs be punished, that anyone who has more than they do be punished, and that they can sit on the couch all day in their free apartment, gabbing on their Obamaphone, stuffing their faces with Cheetos purchased with unlimited food stamps, and get checks of the same amount as those who work in the name of “fairness”.

    Levi is a looter and a moocher. He doesn’t care about the United States. He doesn’t care about the economy. He doesn’t care about our social situation. All he cares about is that the government is giving him a check and punishing the people he doesn’t like.

    That is why Obama calls on Levi to vote out of “revenge”. For Levi, a vote for Obama is the same as shooting Christians or openly robbing the rich at gunpoint. Levi is justifying all of this in his disordered mind by insisting that Christians and the rich “stole” from him and he’s just getting his revenge.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — November 6, 2012 @ 2:02 pm - November 6, 2012

  13. Reading venomous comments on blogs, message boards, and in e-mail lists is more than enough. Thank God I don’t do Facebook on top of that.

    Comment by RSG — November 6, 2012 @ 2:07 pm - November 6, 2012

  14. Just a thought: Maybe stuff like this is the reason there’s so much “division” in the country:

    http://twitchy.com/2012/11/06/death-threats-against-mitt-romney-explode-in-final-hours-of-campaign/

    Comment by V the K — November 6, 2012 @ 2:09 pm - November 6, 2012

  15. Hey Levi-remember Corzine-the guy who bilked tons of investors of their money? It wasn’t the Bush administration that gave him a pass to go start a hedge fund-that would be your buddy Obama and his buddy Holder.

    his reply is that he doesn’t believe it because only Fox news reports it.

    But I bet he consumes everything MSNBC covers.

    Fox is the only News organization on the Benghazi story because they are currently the only news organization with integrity. I will also toss a few nods in Jake Tapper’s direction. He tries, but the WH press corp as a whole is the WH propaganda machine.

    Comment by Just Me — November 6, 2012 @ 2:14 pm - November 6, 2012

  16. Other friends have called him a “vulture capitalist” or repeated slurs about his faith.

    It’s weird how these people would think that hating a guy who has created thousands of jobs and whose religion is family-oriented, and supporting a guy who has screwed America’s kids by racking up more debt than any president in history, makes them cool.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — November 6, 2012 @ 2:46 pm - November 6, 2012

  17. One of the things that has really made me believe that Romney will come out on top is that basically every Obama supporter I’m friends with on FB almost never says anything about Obama but rather just attacks Romney non-stop.

    Comment by chad — November 6, 2012 @ 2:54 pm - November 6, 2012

  18. Hey Levi-remember Corzine-the guy who bilked tons of investors of their money? It wasn’t the Bush administration that gave him a pass to go start a hedge fund-that would be your buddy Obama and his buddy Holder.

    There’s not much Obama can point to on the issue of the financial industry. He has sucked. However, the conservatives’ big, brilliant idea, electing a guy that helped build our immoral, corrupt, and destructive financial industry, is not exactly a desirable alternative.

    Corzine, of course, would probably receive millions of dollars in tax cuts from a Romney administration. You can’t really invoke crooked accountants as a criticism of the current President when your economic plan hinges (consists solely of?) on giving those crooked accountants massive tax cuts.

    The financial industry has its fingernails deep into both parties, you guys nominated their poster boy for Christ’s sake, so don’t come at me like the Democrats are the only real problem.

    Comment by Levi — November 6, 2012 @ 3:17 pm - November 6, 2012

  19. There’s not much Obama can point to on the issue of the financial industry. He has sucked.

    And since he has done EXACTLY what liberals ordered, which was to demonize the banks and give money to liberal cronies in the form of “stimulus”, that means that your ideology sucks.

    Corzine, of course, would probably receive millions of dollars in tax cuts from a Romney administration. You can’t really invoke crooked accountants as a criticism of the current President when your economic plan hinges (consists solely of?) on giving those crooked accountants massive tax cuts.

    Comment by Levi — November 6, 2012 @ 3:17 pm – November 6, 2012

    But unfortunately, Levi, what we know is that “progressives” like you and your Barack Obama allowed him to steal BILLIONS of dollars in client funds, channel it into Obama’s re-election campaign, and then get off without fear of any prosecution — and in fact, with the Obama Party and “progressives” defending him as a good “progressive”.

    So your theoretical attempt to scream what Romney allegedly WOULD do only serves to highlight what you and your fellow “progressives” DID.

    And you can’t hold Obama or yourself accountable. You allow people to steal for “progressive” causes, Levi. That is a FACT.

    What a malicious and sick little liar you are. You are mentally incapable of holding Obama accountable for anything. You openly endorse theft.

    This shows why “progressives” are morally and mentally inferior to conservatives.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — November 6, 2012 @ 3:32 pm - November 6, 2012

  20. The job of tax law is to apply to people evenly. The job of criminal law is to single people (criminals) out and strip them of rights, by something called “due process”. Corzine likely committed fraud, and other criminal violations. He should be prosecuted. Tax reform for law-abiding people should NOT be held up, in the name of Jon corzine, and/or because Levi happens to envy, hate and fear the productive and law-abiding.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — November 6, 2012 @ 4:41 pm - November 6, 2012

  21. Los Angeles County is divided? Or the country?

    I have no problem calling the other side, or their views, stupid, if that is what they are. And sometimes they are so stupid it is beyond comprehension. The right has its share of stupidity as well, but not nearly to the degree on the left.

    well not really sure where a conservative moves to if they hate election results

    I suggest Liechtenstein.

    Comment by Rattlesnake — November 6, 2012 @ 4:47 pm - November 6, 2012

  22. Levi’s comrade-sociopaths curse out their mothers for betraying Glorious Leader:

    http://twitchy.com/2012/11/06/obama-supporters-curse-out-their-mothers-for-voting-for-romney/

    Comment by V the K — November 6, 2012 @ 6:11 pm - November 6, 2012

  23. Levi are really arguing that it was okay for Obama to let Corzine get away with theft, because Romney might do the same?

    Do you realize how dumb your argument sounds?

    Comment by Just Me — November 6, 2012 @ 6:27 pm - November 6, 2012

  24. Do you realize how dumb your argument sounds?

    No dumber than his usual quality of argument. (“The first stimulus failed, so let’s spend twice as much on a second stimulus!”)

    Comment by V the K — November 6, 2012 @ 6:48 pm - November 6, 2012

  25. Levi are really arguing that it was okay for Obama to let Corzine get away with theft, because Romney might do the same?

    Do you realize how dumb your argument sounds?

    That isn’t my argument. I didn’t say that Obama did anything correct in my response to you, and specifically said that I thought he sucked when it comes to how he handled the financial industry.

    Comment by Levi — November 6, 2012 @ 8:36 pm - November 6, 2012

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