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  1. For sure, Bammy won under humiliating circumstances. As a failure known to have accomplished virtually nothing, He lost a large amount of support/votes, from His first election.

    But that also makes it worse for the GOP and Romney: why didn’t their base turn out?

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — November 7, 2012 @ 5:35 pm - November 7, 2012

  2. I was talking to the fellow conservative teachers I work with today and I’ll tell you what I told them: I think the only way the GOP will win in the future is to embrace more of the libertarian philosophy (less gov’t involvement in ALL matters). This would mean stating in the platform that they would not seek any changes to current abortion laws (something I’m personally against for moral AND economic reasons), support same-sex marriage or some equivalent of it, and a few other things that are traditionally “Democratic party” planks. In all the time I’ve been around young people and worked with them, I have found that the vast majority of them are NOT Democrats, they are libertarians.

    On a different note, I almost think the best thing that could have happened last night was that the GOP lost control of the House. That’s a two-edged sword though. Losing it would have meant that the Democrats had no one to blame in 4 years when the economy and nation are bust (which they WILL do in 2014 and 2016 – blame the “do-nothing GOP House”). But it also would mean there would be no one there to stop Obama from his crazy antics. My biggest fear is the possible loss of the conservative majority on the SCOTUS. *That* actually frightens me more than Obama winning the election.

    Sorry for the lengthy post.

    Comment by Eric — November 7, 2012 @ 5:37 pm - November 7, 2012

  3. Maybe a lot of people have just given up on the political process. In some ways, it is a rational decision.

    Comment by V the K — November 7, 2012 @ 5:37 pm - November 7, 2012

  4. Yes, but V, now we have the government intruding into all aspects of our lives. Will people just accept that — or will we see an increasingly emboldened Tea Party.

    Do wonder if Romney had embraced a more Reaganesque/Tea Party message at convention, he would have attracted more support.

    Comment by B. Daniel Blatt — November 7, 2012 @ 5:40 pm - November 7, 2012

  5. I, personally, had my doubts if Romney was up to the challenges we’re facing. (Now, people who are in utter denial about our country’s fiscal, economic, and security issues voted for Obama, obviously, so leave them out of this equation.) I was willing to give Romney a shot, after all, his whole business history is turning around troubled organizations. But I had doubts that he could handle the magnitude of our problems.

    Maybe a lot of people shared my doubts.

    Also, remember how Sarah Palin was snubbed at the convention? Wonder if that sent a message to the Tea Party that they just weren’t wanted.

    Comment by V the K — November 7, 2012 @ 6:06 pm - November 7, 2012

  6. Eric, I couldn’t agree more. There is some good advice for the Republicans from a conservative at National Review about this:

    “[L]ay off the social issues. Let me be blunt: Conservatives have lost that war, and last night’s defeats are just the beginning. As with Griswold and Roe, the times they are a’changing when it comes to sex. Furthermore: It doesn’t matter. True, the eternal verities remain, well, eternal verities, but quoting random passages from the Old Testament to justify contemporary American mores is just nuts; better for the dwindling Christian majority to embrace the message of the New Testament and let God’s love wash over all His children. Salvation is neither a board game nor a checklist. So do what the Democrats do: accept changing circumstances and then co-opt them.”

    Conservative Christians largely embraced a Mormon this election cycle, regardless of the fact that according to their theological beliefs Romney is an outright heretic – which for all of my life they were never reluctant to say that Mormonism is not Christian and its adherents are bound for hell. If they can do that they can do likewise with gays and others they believe are equally on the way to Perdition. I could care less whether someone’s personal religious beliefs hold that I or anyone else are going to roast for all eternity, I don’t share them but respect their right to have them under the First Amendment. Yet aping the Left and trotting out Big Brother to force your religious views on me and society at large? Forget it. Like they themselves would and any other American would do when they believe their civil rights are at stake, they’d reject those advocating such a move and would fight like heck to stop them.

    Comment by JohnAGJ — November 7, 2012 @ 6:22 pm - November 7, 2012

  7. Ah, I love how the CINOs play this game.

    First JohnAGJ quotes this:

    So do what the Democrats do: accept changing circumstances and then co-opt them.

    Then JohnAGJ states this:

    Yet aping the Left and trotting out Big Brother to force your religious views on me and society at large? Forget it.

    Comment by JohnAGJ — November 7, 2012 @ 6:22 pm – November 7, 2012

    Funny, JohnAGJ, they seem to have been singularly successful at forcing you and your fellows to accept their religious belief of abortion as a holy sacrament that needs to be forced on churches and taxpayer-funded, to the point that you’re running away and whining about how Republicans should never talk about abortion ever again.

    This is what makes these “we need to dump the social issues” crowd so hilarious; they whine about “forcing your views on others” simultaneously with admiring the Obama Party for doing exactly that.

    Why? It’s simple. The leftists whose butts you are trying to kiss might not like you any more if you pointed out to them that they use rape as a justification for their own refusal to act responsibly or tell their existing sons and daughters that they’d better behave because Mommy believes in leaving children to starve to death if she needs a better outfit or something.

    The Republicans don’t have an abortion problem. They have a problem with recognizing that Obama supporters are lying sociopaths who will say and do anything to win. You deal with lying sociopaths by confronting their lies directly and calling them lying sociopaths.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — November 7, 2012 @ 6:51 pm - November 7, 2012

  8. I think there are some social issues still worth supporting.

    I think it is important that religious organizations not be forced to support and provide services they are religiously opposed to. The Catholic church should not have to provide birth control, morning after pills, and sterilization procedures because a student who opted to attend one of their schools wants free birth control.

    I think there are some social issues worth standing up for, although I do think it is time that the GOP recognize that Roe v Wade is forever going to part of our culture.

    But just telling the GOP to ditch the social cons, will pretty much guarantee the GOP won’t win any elections because the social cons will stay home. It is time for the social cons to accept some realities when it comes to issues, but social conservatives aren’t the reason the GOP lost. The social cons turned out and voted for Romney. What the GOP needs to do is create and advocate libertarian positions that appeal to the social cons.

    Social cons feel threatened-they think the liberals are out to destroy their culture and the things they hold dear (forcing the Catholic Church to provide BC is a good example). Social cons are now at a point in our culture where they are the minority and unlike every other minority who has somebody in government to fight for them, the social cons are being told to sit down, shut up and vote for us anyway. THey may sit down, and then they will stay home, and the GOP will be even worse off.

    Comment by Just Me — November 7, 2012 @ 8:18 pm - November 7, 2012

  9. What happened to 8 million voters? Some of them are undoubtedly dead we old people do tend to do that. Some like my wife are fed up with the system.

    Comment by Catseye — November 7, 2012 @ 8:32 pm - November 7, 2012

  10. “You deal with lying sociopaths by confronting their lies directly and calling them lying sociopaths.”

    If anyone has reason to be careful what he wishes for, it’s North Dallas Thirty.

    Comment by Mike R. — November 7, 2012 @ 9:19 pm - November 7, 2012

  11. If anyone has reason to be careful what he wishes for, it’s North Dallas Thirty.

    Comment by Mike R. — November 7, 2012 @ 9:19 pm – November 7, 2012

    No worries, Mike R; you’ve already been exposed here as one.

    After all, you screamed and wet yourself that it was OK for Obama to lie as much as he wanted, that lying was OK when Obama did it, etc.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — November 7, 2012 @ 9:40 pm - November 7, 2012

  12. This is what makes these “we need to dump the social issues” crowd so hilarious; they whine about “forcing your views on others” simultaneously with admiring the Obama Party for doing exactly that.

    Agreed. I don’t like fascism in any form, but I would take the “right’s” fascism over the left’s (and even then, the right, even the current GOP, is significantly less fascist than the Democrats). I am always glad when conservatives don’t talk about social issues (aside from abortion, which I think is an important issue), but, even when it does, the right is far more libertarian than the universally fascist left.

    I think it is important that religious organizations not be forced to support and provide services they are religiously opposed to. The Catholic church should not have to provide birth control, morning after pills, and sterilization procedures because a student who opted to attend one of their schools wants free birth control.

    I would argue that that is more of a fundamental freedom issue than a social issue (and some people argue that churches are tax exempt, so their free speech can be limited, but that funnily isn’t the case for the SEIU).

    Comment by Rattlesnake — November 8, 2012 @ 12:26 am - November 8, 2012

  13. Rattlesnake-I would agree that it is a fundamental freedom issue, however some would view it as simply a social issue, because they don’t see the freedom being infringed on in this situation. Their ox isn’t being gored, therefore they fail to see the problem.

    Comment by Just Me — November 8, 2012 @ 7:53 am - November 8, 2012

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