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  1. Is Jeb *really* the best the GOP can do for 2016?

    (Sigh) Congratulations, President Biden.

    Comment by V the K — November 28, 2012 @ 6:27 am - November 28, 2012

  2. Nope – know what you are saying – he was always a bit more conservative than his brother and father, but the Bush Brand is dead with conservatives. Someone like Rubio is the way to go. I see this as the Rove types putting up Bush up as a defense against specifically Rubio at this point. Conservatives will not support Jeb Bush.

    Comment by Mike D — November 28, 2012 @ 6:53 am - November 28, 2012

  3. I share your admiration for Jeb Bush, even if I’m not enthusiastic about him. There’s a different Florida Republican I’d like to see, but I think the inclination of conservatives to be constantly criticizing Jeb Bush (and for similar reasons Chris Christie) is mistaken. Jeb Bush’s governorship of FL is something Republicans can be proud of, and I actually think it’s a good thing to see a Republican with a more conservative record than his rhetoric. I think we as a party are too quick to judge our candidates by what they say rather than what they do.

    Comment by chad — November 28, 2012 @ 7:16 am - November 28, 2012

  4. With the gap between the impoverished and privileged in the U.S. widening, the solution lies in a regime of school and teacher evaluation, national standards and more “school choice” in alternatives such as charter schools, he said.

    Charter schools and vouchers are an excellent way to achieve better student results. However, he looks at national standards. I prefer public schools to be run at the state and local level. Let each state make that decision, and if the liberal states forego charter schools, etc, then parents can make the plunge and move to states that have these schools.

    Comment by davinci — November 28, 2012 @ 8:32 am - November 28, 2012

  5. One also hears that George P Bush is looking at running for statewide office in Texas.

    Le sigh.

    Comment by V the K — November 28, 2012 @ 8:38 am - November 28, 2012

  6. I think Jeb Bush is too afraid of being a conservative. The Republicans need an unapolagetic conservative that can own the narrative.

    Comment by Rattlesnake — November 28, 2012 @ 8:40 am - November 28, 2012

  7. A good Republican message will always be lost by the media in ‘translation’, so I’m not sure if the Bloomberg article represents Bush’s message fairly…. but….

    It *sounds* like he wants to federalize education even more than his brother (and the Democrats) already did. That’s not a good thing, and not what will restore this nation’s once-great social mobility. Much smaller government, sound money, an end to bailouts (at all levels), is what will do the latter. I continue to see a Bush *not* getting it.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — November 28, 2012 @ 9:12 am - November 28, 2012

  8. ILC, I think you just nailed what puts me off about the Bushes in general; they all seem to believe that Big Government is a Good Thing that can Make People’s Lives Better if only it is run by the right set of Ivy League, Blue Blood, Old Money Patricians.

    Comment by V the K — November 28, 2012 @ 9:15 am - November 28, 2012

  9. V, yes. I don’t think they’re bad men. I will argue to the day I die that George W. Bush, despite everything he did wrong in domestic policy, is a good and sincere man. But he still did a lot wrong, in domestic policy. Because all the Bushes believe in the salvific power of government. They’re just not completely insane about it, like Democrats/Obama.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — November 28, 2012 @ 9:26 am - November 28, 2012

  10. Jeb Bush, Chris Christi is all wrong for 2016; we need a strong Conservative candidate. But we cannot have 4 or 5 Conservatives to in the primary so we get Jeb Bush or Chris Christi like we did in 2012.

    Comment by Sebastian Shaw — November 28, 2012 @ 9:34 am - November 28, 2012

  11. In spite of any positive qualities Jeb Bush may have (and I agree he does have some), in the end, he’s a Bush. He’ll never be accepted by over 45% of the voting population.

    Comment by Dale — November 28, 2012 @ 10:07 am - November 28, 2012

  12. Jeb (what an awful name or nickname — why not simply call him ‘Cracker’?) and his nomination would confirm once and for all that a large and influential portion of the GOP wants the country to go to hell.

    Comment by Ignatius — November 28, 2012 @ 11:03 am - November 28, 2012

  13. There are plenty of good and decent people who have no business being in Government.

    Comment by V the K — November 28, 2012 @ 11:04 am - November 28, 2012

  14. I can´t think of an unapolagetic conservative who can win an election. Michelle Bachman won the Iowa straw poll but lost the Iowa primary. Rick Santorum, as an incumbent Senator was roundly defeated by Bob Casey. He still has to live that down. Has Herman Cain, cleared up the the alleged sexual harassment charge which caused him to drop out?

    Jeb has what Mitt doesn´t have, an ability to attract hispanics. Jeb is fluent in Spanish. If memory serves me correctly, Jeb is a graduate of the Universidad Autonimo de Guadelajara, where he met and married Paloma. Imagine a ticket of Jeb Bush with Marco Rubio for VP; or with Governor Susana Martinez, who could attract not only hispanics but close the gender gap. As governor, he improved the quality of educaton in Florida. What he did there would serve as a model that I believe he would make available to the states rather than implement it top down.

    As afriend said to his partner, ¨you´re not Mr. Universe, but you´re butch enough for me.¨ Jeb Bush might not be a Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity, but he is conservative enough for me.

    Comment by Roberto — November 28, 2012 @ 12:30 pm - November 28, 2012

  15. Jeb is fluent in Spanish. If memory serves me correctly, Jeb is a graduate of the Universidad Autonimo de Guadelajara, where he met and married Paloma. Imagine a ticket of Jeb Bush with Marco Rubio for VP

    And Mitt Romney gave away his inheritance to charity and performed many compassionate acts. Did it matter? No, the media buried them and portrayed him as Greedbags McCancer-Giver, Hater of Vaginas.

    Also, Rubio cannot run as Jeb’s VP. The Constitution stipulates that the Prez and VP cannot be from the same state.

    So, never mind that a solid majority of both the conservative base and the general electorate would rather gargle with Rosie O’Donnell’s bathwater than vote for another Bush presidency.

    If you want to create a no-white-guys ticket, try Rubio-Ayotte.

    Comment by V the K — November 28, 2012 @ 1:00 pm - November 28, 2012

  16. I can´t think of an unapolagetic conservative who can win an election

    I can’t think of an unapologetic GOP moderate, who can win an election. Remember: Romney lost. McCain lost. Bush 43 won but destroyed the Reagan brand, at great cost to both America and the GOP. Dole lost. Bush 41 lost (re-election).

    That doesn’t mean I love the social conservative candidates. I don’t, if their idea of ‘conservative’ is a controlling, paternalistic government (Huckabee).

    The GOP does best with a candidate who is unapologetically in favor of liberty, that is, smaller government (which is one and the same as liberty, in practice). Which the GOP hasn’t had, since Reagan. The GOP ‘establishment’ hearts Big Government. (Just not as insanely as the Democrats do, again.)

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — November 28, 2012 @ 1:42 pm - November 28, 2012

  17. ILC, there are Progressive republicans as well as Progressive Demonrats. The Bushes and Romney are progressives. It was along time goal for the Progressives to invade both parties.

    Comment by Paul — November 28, 2012 @ 2:30 pm - November 28, 2012

  18. Santorum, conservative? Hahahahahahahahahaha. He is just as a much of a big government guy as any other moderate. The last time a real conservative ran for president it was a landslide (in his favour). And the time before that.

    And, of course, conservatism isn’t the only thing that is needed. It would be easy for the media to portray Michele Bachmann as a polarizing lunatic, but they would have a more difficult time with Rubio or Ryan (among others) because they come off as calm and reasonable, but they also seem to be willing to defend their principles (Ryan was pretty quiet during the campaign, but I suspect it would be different if were on the top of the ticket). They aren’t ideally conservative, but I wouldn’t call them moderates.

    Comment by Rattlesnake — November 28, 2012 @ 2:33 pm - November 28, 2012

  19. You are overestimating the American voter. The last election was about tampons theft and grannies in binders homicide.

    The next one will be about parking tickets and freedom to fart with a new terminology for the ones against it (aka the new RAAAACIST). Count on it

    Until you find someone with balls to control the narrative and bitchslap the opponent, you can get the second coming of Jesus on the spot with holy Mary as VP and it won’t matter

    Comment by susan — November 28, 2012 @ 3:13 pm - November 28, 2012

  20. Susan is absolutely correct.

    This fiction of “electability” needs to stop. We are dealing with two things: an Obama Party and compliant media that will make ANY Republican out to be the second coming of Hitler, and jock-sniffers like concern-troll mike who admit that Obama is an awful President and then voted for him on personality.

    The two work together. The Obama Party and the media know they simply need smear the Republican, and Kardashian-level thinkers like concern-troll mike will ignore competence in favor of media portrayal.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — November 28, 2012 @ 4:00 pm - November 28, 2012

  21. If a candidate’s conservative credentials have to be explained and promoted, the candidate ain’t no conservative.

    Ronald Reagan smelled the rat as soon as he started speaking and had a principle based response that was delivered with good humor while exposing the deceit. Milton Freeman had the same gift.

    Don’t forget that the Demonizing-crats have had their own abundance of “Progressive” duds like Humphry, McGovern, McCarthy, Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, Kerry, etc.

    Also, the country had Nixon fatigue, Clinton fatigue and Bush fatigue. If Moochelle Obama runs in 2016, maybe she can win one for the Gypers and fend off Obama fatigue. But 2016 will likely find the Demonizing-crats having to push a chain up-hill by a country that is tired of more-of-the-same.

    If the Republicans run a candidate who is as wishy-washy as the rest of the typical line up it will be a typical toss-up charade where the best man didn’t even run.

    Comment by heliotrope — November 28, 2012 @ 4:06 pm - November 28, 2012

  22. If Jeb Bush has the balls that Romney didn’t have, if he’ll attack the liberal failures (schools, race relations, budget, defense, inflation, energy, illegal immigration weakening the country, etc.), if he’ll speak the truth, if he’ll actually commit to shrink the Fed and advance liberty, he’ll have my vote, but that’d be the case for no matter who ran. Regardless, we have 4 years to attack the liberal failures.

    Comment by Paul — November 28, 2012 @ 5:45 pm - November 28, 2012

  23. if he’ll speak the truth, if he’ll actually commit to shrink the Fed and advance liberty, he’ll have my vote, but that’d be the case for no matter who ran.

    Nicely put… and a big ‘if’. In summary, I agree with Mr. Blatt that Jeb has named a big part of the problem; but I don’t agree that Jeb knows anything about the real solution.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — November 28, 2012 @ 5:53 pm - November 28, 2012

  24. The Stupid Party’s problems go deeper than Jeb Bush.

    The Evil Party has a Value Proposition that’s very appealing to a lot of voters: “We’ll take money from the greedy rich and use it to buy you stuff.”

    Easy to understanding and viscerally appealing.

    Comment by V the K — November 28, 2012 @ 6:23 pm - November 28, 2012

  25. It’s not rational but if the election were between Hillary and Jeb – today, I’d vote for Hillary.

    Jeb’s Hispandering is a deal-breaker for me. We have millions of people out of work; a huge and growing underclass; crashing demand for lower-skill workers; stagnant wages; and a black population that for any number of reasons is failing to succeed. The entry-level job for teenagers – the very thing that gave most of us a good start on our careers – has all but disappeared.

    So Jeb and our GOP overlords wants to throw citizens under the bus and open the southern border? I say spinach.

    If this nation still demanded that immigrants assimilate; if we returned to teaching the basic good of our history; if we set immigration policy, as was done pre-1965, to serve our interests and not the interests of the cheap labor lobby and the Mexican government; if we eliminated affirmative action favoring immigrants over natives then I might feel differently.

    Comment by SoCalRobert — November 28, 2012 @ 7:56 pm - November 28, 2012

  26. Jeb Bush & the other establishment RINO GOP backed Governor Charlie Crist for Senate in 2010 until he was defeated by Marco Rubio. Jeb Bush also said he is not a Conservative anymore. His own words & deeds destroy him. He’s persona non-grata to me.

    Comment by Sebastian Shaw — November 28, 2012 @ 8:44 pm - November 28, 2012

  27. Oh, & establishment GOP, don’t tell me Jeb Bush or Chris Christie is “electable” as a primary thesis for my vote. How well did that work for Mitt Romney??? #FAIL

    Comment by Sebastian Shaw — November 28, 2012 @ 8:47 pm - November 28, 2012

  28. Jeb’s Hispandering is a deal-breaker for me

    I’m not too worried about it. First, the real issue there for me was always border security (as in terrorists, etc.), not “They’re taking away our jobs!” Second, believe me, once Obama is done with America, Latin immigrants will be fleeing the States because of its lack of opportunity, low living standards and high crime…the problem thus solving itself.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — November 28, 2012 @ 9:21 pm - November 28, 2012

  29. ILC – not only immigrants will be driven off by BHO’s policies. I wonder where one goes?

    The “taking away our jobs” issue is a big one… one that’s being ignored. As I mentioned, the demand for lower-skill labor is dropping like a stone. Increasing productivity eliminates far more jobs than are created (that’s the point).

    We all seem to forget a basic fact of life: the bell curve. Half the population, by definition, has an IQ under 100. A few points here are there aren’t a terribly big deal but that still leaves a lot of people who will never become engineers, programmers, biologists, etc. No amount of Jeb Bush educational reform will make someone with an IQ in the 80s into a Google R&D engineer.

    If we can’t find meaningful work that allows these people to support themselves – and benefit from the dignity that comes with supporting oneself – then we’ve got to accept increasing welfare loads and the accompanying pathologies that go with dependency OR figure out what to do with a lot of hungry, desperate, and pissed-off people.

    Comment by SoCalRobert — November 28, 2012 @ 9:44 pm - November 28, 2012

  30. Riffing on SoCalRobert and ILC… we’ve tried the liberal program of handing out college degrees in the idea that a better educated workforce would make up for the lack of manufacturing jobs. It hasn’t worked out. And we have millions of people who are both highly educated and unemployable. e.g. anyone who majored in anything with the word “Studies” in it.

    So, let’s try it the other way. Let’s enact pro-growth economic policies so that there will be good-paying jobs even for people who don’t go to college.

    Sound like a plan?

    Comment by V the K — November 28, 2012 @ 10:48 pm - November 28, 2012

  31. Dan -
    Be careful. If you try to warn conservatives that appeasing the extremist wing of the party = election loses, you get labeled a “concern troll” around here.

    But you are exactly right. Bush is the type of conservative who understands that programs and government are essential to good governance and would be a good candidate. Unfortunately he is going against his last name and due to what I perceive as his good nature, he won’t slam his Brother’s bad policies and thus get painted into a corner.

    I am still holding out hope for Christie in 2016.

    Comment by mike — November 28, 2012 @ 11:22 pm - November 28, 2012

  32. “If Moochelle Obama runs in 2016″

    heliotrope –
    Did you really type this!?!?!? My god. If my mom looked half as good as her I would be ecstatic.

    You sir, need some manners taught to you – and fast!

    And the fact that so many of you saw this, and said nothing is just shameful.

    Comment by mike — November 28, 2012 @ 11:37 pm - November 28, 2012

  33. Suck cock, mike.

    You really are a desperate liar and hypocrite.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — November 28, 2012 @ 11:56 pm - November 28, 2012

  34. No, mike, you get labelled a “concern troll” if you say things like this:

    Bush is the type of conservative who understands that programs and government are essential to good governance and would be a good candidate.

    No “conservative” would “understand that programs and government are essential to good governance.” Conservatives don’t say things like “government programs are good.”

    Comment by Rattlesnake — November 29, 2012 @ 12:06 am - November 29, 2012

  35. the demand for lower-skill labor is dropping like a stone. Increasing productivity eliminates far more jobs than are created (that’s the point).

    No, it *creates* jobs. Even unskilled ones. The living standard (the real wage) of janitors, garbagemen, dishwashers and field workers is vastly higher today than it was 100 or even 50 years ago, and the demand for those workers is high.

    A free labor market means that there is no unemployment in any segment, because people are constantly negotiating and arranging jobs with each other. It’s government (including unions – in cases where the latter have been given undue power by government laws) that prevents free labor markets, making it illegal for consenting adults to strike mutually beneficial deals with each other.

    The solution to unemployment is clear and easy. Just return to free labor markets so that people can create all the jobs with each other that they want, and simultaneously, reduce or abolish unemployment and welfare benefits so that people will have a reason to.

    The solution to unemployment is clear and easy. It’s the political will – and the intellectual honesty – that’s lacking. “But that’s the world we live in; deal with it”, you may say. At which point, I would tell you the same thing about immigration being the world we live in.

    Let’s enact pro-growth economic policies so that there will be good-paying jobs even for people who don’t go to college.

    Exactly. More thoughts like that, please.

    By the way, mike: Kindly f*ck yourself, if you can’t handle a joke. If you see something that you find objectionable, then objecting to it can be your job. You have no business telling me (for one) what I ought to comment on. Seriously. Go to the ‘adult’ store and buy a large dildo.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — November 29, 2012 @ 12:24 am - November 29, 2012

  36. RS –
    I disagree. I consider myself a fiscal conservative who has voted republican as recently as 2008. And I don’t know if I would say gov programs are “good.” But I would say they are essential.

    NDT
    Why do you think saying “suck cock” to a non-lesbian on a site geared toward gay folks would be considered insulting?
    Or is this how you ask for a date? If so I politely decline.

    Comment by mike — November 29, 2012 @ 12:31 am - November 29, 2012

  37. Why assume he thinks it’s insulting? How did NDT not just give you friendly advice on what might give you greater pleasure, as I did?

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — November 29, 2012 @ 12:35 am - November 29, 2012

  38. I consider myself a fiscal conservative

    And you voted Obama, in 2012? Please get real.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — November 29, 2012 @ 12:38 am - November 29, 2012

  39. ILC – if I could do as you suggest, I don’t know if I would ever leave my house

    Comment by mike — November 29, 2012 @ 12:38 am - November 29, 2012

  40. Good answer, I have to admit.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — November 29, 2012 @ 12:53 am - November 29, 2012

  41. Folks have to understand that income isn’t wealth. You can have a lot of wealth and configure your income so it comes from tax free investments. Income tax simply makes it harder for people to accumulate wealth to begin with and BECOME wealthy. Increasing income taxes locks in the establishment wealthy and prevents others from entering that club.

    Increasing income taxes on the wealthy tends to reduce revenue collected, as the UK recently discovered and as Sweden discovered a few years back.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9707029/Two-thirds-of-millionaires-left-Britain-to-avoid-50p-tax-rate.html

    Comment by crosspatch — November 29, 2012 @ 1:23 am - November 29, 2012

  42. Why do you think saying “suck cock” to a non-lesbian on a site geared toward gay folks would be considered insulting?

    Comment by mike — November 29, 2012 @ 12:31 am – November 29, 2012

    Because, mike, it points out the only thing you and your fellow Obama liberals really care about.

    After all:

    But Obama is a regular guy. He likes sports, drinks beer and seems to be a good husband / father. Turns out he is doing a crummy job running the country, but the reality is people like him – And NOT because of the media but because of his personality.

    Comment by mike — November 26, 2012 @ 9:33 pm – November 26, 2012

    But you voted for him twice. You acknowledge he’s incompetent, and you voted for him twice.

    Look I explicitly agree with you. He is a crummy president.

    Comment by mike — November 27, 2012 @ 4:12 am – November 27, 2012

    Again. You acknowledge he is crummy and incompetent, and yet you voted for him twice.

    Why?

    Because all you care about is sucking cock.

    You don’t care about taxes, jobs, national defense, freedom, the economy, or the health of this country. All you care about is sucking cock, and that’s how you vote — based solely on what candidate promises to give you free stuff for sucking cock.

    This is what Republicans need to realize. “Anti-gay” and “homophobe” as screamed by cocksuckers such as yourself refers solely to whether or not you believe in fatter welfare checks and handouts based on whether someone sucks cock. If you won’t pass a law requiring people to hire me and keep me on staff, no matter how poorly I perform, because I suck cock, you’re a bigot and a homophobe. If you don’t give me welfare and unlimited lifetime health care because I was too stupid and irresponsible to wear a condom, you’re a bigot and a homophobe.

    You want sucking cock to be the ticket to a fat welfare check from other peoples’ money, mike. That’s all it is. You have nothing else to offer society; you just want to be paid because you suck cock.

    Moreover, you’re hilarious. Didn’t read the link I sent you, did you?

    No, I was stunned because my friend far preferred, as the perfect counter to Heinz, as a role model and a woman and the ideal presidential wife, one tepid, timid, thoroughly useless Laura Bush.

    Wait, what? You mean docile, prudish, former librarian Laura Bush, she of the nonexistent inspiration and dull-as-dishwater personality? Yes indeed, that Laura Bush. Here was my friend, brash and funny and who spoke her mind without the slightest reservation, and who could drink and think and opine with the strongest of men, and yet she admired this … limp wallflower? I didn’t get it. I still don’t completely get it, to this very day.

    All of this comes to mind as I see, skirting across the newswires, a handful of generic photos and sidebar stories of Laura Bush out on tour recently with her twin Styrofoam peanut daughters, Jenna and Barbara, promoting a new children’s book they all apparently, and yeah right, wrote together and isn’t that sweet.

    There is Laura, looking exactly as she has looked for the past eight insufferable years. Prim, a bit glassy, reserved, her hair some sort of ironclad helmet of awkward architecture, the very epitome of nice, meek, domestic Republican female, not making the slightest wave and hoping no one really notices because, well, she’s just a woman…

    And what was that you were previously shrieking and screaming?

    You sir, need some manners taught to you – and fast!

    And the fact that so many of you saw this, and said nothing is just shameful.

    Comment by mike — November 28, 2012 @ 11:37 pm – November 28, 2012

    That’s right. Since Morford is one of your fellow Obama cocksuckers, you weren’t about to say anything. And you never have said anything. As long as someone sucks cock and votes Obama, all your whining and screaming and demands for pity dances and manners don’t apply, do they? You’re not really applying any type of objective principle here; you’re just attacking Heliotrope because he’s not an Obama cocksucker and cultist like you and your buddy Morford are.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — November 29, 2012 @ 1:37 am - November 29, 2012

  43. Meanwhile, since mike wants to talk about “manners” in regard to Michelle Obama, perhaps we should review the “manners” that she, Barack Obama, and their entire Obama Cultist Party endorse and support.

    And this doesn’t include Michelle Obama and Barack Obama, as well as the leadership of the Obama Party, calling Mitt Romney a rape supporter, tax cheat, and murderer.

    Incidentally, mike, “Moochelle” refers to “moocher”, which is an apt description for a person who throws multi-million dollar Hollywood costume parties and takes lavish vacations on the taxpayer dime despite allegedly being a millionaire herself — and despite her screaming and ranting about how rich people don’t deserve their money and are just stealing it from others.

    But again, no one expects a Kardashian-level thinker like you to actually review these things. You’re a brain-dead cultist who has made it clear that, no matter how awful Obama is, you will always vote for him and support him because of his “personality”.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — November 29, 2012 @ 1:46 am - November 29, 2012

  44. NDT -
    For me, the argument “Na -Ah – YOU ARE” went out of fashion in grade school. I realize its your forte, as well as stretching such oral sex analogies like “suck cock.” But for me its not only a logical fallacy, its tiresome.

    I think my comment #32 stands and I can’t believe that people here would defend equating a women who carried two children to a cow just because she is married to a person who they hate. If she was vastly overweight or something, fine I might let it pass as an attempt at locker room humor or something…but she is not!

    Its shameful. (unless of course you really WERE asking me on a date. If so, again I pass)

    Comment by mike — November 29, 2012 @ 2:01 am - November 29, 2012

  45. For me, the argument “Na -Ah – YOU ARE” went out of fashion in grade school.

    Comment by mike — November 29, 2012 @ 2:01 am – November 29, 2012

    Which is, of course, why you’re sitting here sh*tting yourself and screaming that conservatives should be condemning Heliotrope.

    What I am doing is pointing out what a lying hypocrite you are. And one simply needs to remember that: you are a lying, pathetic, filthy hypocrite who endorses and supports mocking and attacking Republican women while having an aneurysm and demanding pity dances over anything that you think insults Michelle Obama.

    I think my comment #32 stands and I can’t believe that people here would defend equating a women who carried two children to a cow just because she is married to a person who they hate. If she was vastly overweight or something, fine I might let it pass as an attempt at locker room humor or something…but she is not!

    Its shameful.

    Comment by mike — November 29, 2012 @ 2:01 am – November 29, 2012

    Not really. After all, Obama and the Obama Party called Sarah Palin a pig, Laura Bush a dog, and Barbara Bush a cow, and you support, endorse, and worship them as models of “tolerance” and “manners”.

    We know the game, mike. You’re a screaming Alinsky bigot who is trying to hold us to our own rules of behavior. However, we also know how to short-circuit that game, which is to point out that you endorse, support, and indulge in this behavior that you shriek is “shameful”.

    Liberals like you are malicious, hypocritical liars. You never follow your own rules or standards. You never obey the laws or pay the taxes that you demand. You simply scream and rant and try to bully those who do have rules and standards, who do obey the laws, and who do pay the taxes into subsidizing your behavior.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — November 29, 2012 @ 2:33 am - November 29, 2012

  46. I am still holding out hope for Christie in 2016.

    Of course you do, concern troll, because you know Christie would be a loser for Republicans, and you would never vote for him anyway.

    If every lib who said “Now, John McCain, there’s one of the good Republicans. I could vote for him.” Had meant it, he would have won 2008 in a landslide.

    But liberals lie, constantly.

    Comment by V the K — November 29, 2012 @ 5:49 am - November 29, 2012

  47. The living standard (the real wage) of janitors, garbagemen, dishwashers and field workers is vastly higher today than it was 100 or even 50 years ago, and the demand for those workers is high.

    Exactly. Our economy and nation are better served if a lot more people become plumbers, mechanics, electricians, and carpenters; and a lot fewer become bureaucrats and regulators.

    And I am pretty sure Jeb Bush does not understand this. I will never forget Karl Rove’s comment that he wanted more illegal immigration because his kids were too good for manual labor.

    Comment by V the K — November 29, 2012 @ 6:06 am - November 29, 2012

  48. No real fiscal conservative would vote for a President who has lavishly expanded welfare benefits to the tune of $60,000 per year per recipient household.

    But, like I said, liberals lie.

    Comment by V the K — November 29, 2012 @ 6:16 am - November 29, 2012

  49. I think my comment #32 stands

    No, it doesn’t. First, as I said:

    Kindly f*ck yourself, if you can’t handle a joke. If you see something that you find objectionable, then objecting to it can be your job. You have no business telling me (for one) what I ought to comment on.

    And second, as NDT said:

    Incidentally, mike, “Moochelle” refers to “moocher”, which is an apt description for a person who throws multi-million dollar Hollywood costume parties and takes lavish vacations on the taxpayer dime

    Third, do you really not notice the contradiction in your accusing NDT of grade-school tactics, while yourself posting comments replete with grade-school level taunts? Or were you just projecting?

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — November 29, 2012 @ 10:42 am - November 29, 2012

  50. ILC, I think the problem with concern-troll mike is best illustrated in V the K’s comment.

    No real fiscal conservative would vote for a President who has lavishly expanded welfare benefits to the tune of $60,000 per year per recipient household.

    Comment by V the K — November 29, 2012 @ 6:16 am – November 29, 2012

    I juxtapose the statements of the typical Obama voter:

    Turns out he is doing a crummy job running the country, but the reality is people like him – And NOT because of the media but because of his personality.

    Comment by mike — November 26, 2012 @ 9:33 pm – November 26, 2012

    Look I explicitly agree with you. He is a crummy president.

    Comment by mike — November 27, 2012 @ 4:12 am – November 27, 2012

    with this insightful statement by Sultan Knish:

    There is not a single Obama voter anywhere in the land who believes that another four years of him will make this country better. Not a single one from coast to coast. No, what they believe is that he will make the country a worse place for those people that they hate. That he will have four more years to sink their ideas deeper in the earth, regardless of how many families go hungry and how many fathers kill themselves because they can no longer take care of their families. What they believe is that Obama will grant their group more special privileges and the rest of the country can go to hell.

    Hence my point. When you do the math, between taxes, paying for health insurance, and all the other things that grownups have to do in their paycheck, 60k is probably roughly equal to yours, V’s, and my annual take-home pay — and we go to work.

    Meanwhile, concern-troll mike and his fellow looters and moochers sit on the couch and collect that amount without having to raise a finger or pay a dime in taxes.

    Those who work receive as much as those who don’t.

    So yes, concern-troll mike is a “fiscal conservative” — if you define that as someone who doesn’t want to work, wants to gorge themselves at the welfare trough, and then not pay for it.

    And this is what Barack Obama, Michelle Obama, and the Obama Moocher Party are. They promise this. Vote for Obama and you get free sh*t that other people will pay for. That is what cements the loyalty to the cult; they play on the fact that people like mike are lazy, blame other people for their failings, and want to punish other people.

    So this is why concern-troll mike is a “fiscal conservative” in his own mind. He wants other people to pay the bills. He wants everything to cost nothing for him. He wants to live in perpetual infancy and dependency, suckling on the government teat. He wants to hear Michelle and Barack Obama blaming everyone else for his problems and shouting about how they’re going to punish the rich and businesses.

    No wonder he considers Michelle Obama his mother. After all, she acts just like his mother did.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — November 29, 2012 @ 11:07 am - November 29, 2012

  51. About calling the first cow ‘cow’, ever thought it could be for other reasons other than her body?

    I find her repulsive. From the way she feels entitled to everything that surrounds her, to her fake posture of the ‘working woman’ (who got her lucrative jobs thanks to her husband’s crooked deals & friends), to her infinite arrogance in telling people what to eat while being anything but a food expert or a doctor, to her ghetto manners.

    She dresses up like ghetto trash with atrocious color combination and accessories that only accentuate graceless figure. In Europe nobody with a modicum of taste would praise her. Only in the UK they fawn over her and notoriously English people have no taste.

    Also, Palin was savaged because she didn’t have a passport ( = never traveled abroad). What are the foreign credentials of the first cow before 2008?

    When she started jetting around the world on taxpayers dime it really seemed it was her first time, like the provincial small minded snob she is.

    Also, she gave a pathetic present to Laura bush at the inauguration directly in her hands seconds before the ritual photos. Have you ever wondered why such a thing never happened for the previous 50 inaugurations?

    Because 2008 was the first year we took the first lady from the herd at pasture.

    Comment by susan — November 29, 2012 @ 11:22 am - November 29, 2012

  52. I personally refer the First Klingon by her original name, M’Chel.

    Comment by V the K — November 29, 2012 @ 11:35 am - November 29, 2012

  53. Give me Laura’s simplicity and humble demeanor everyday. Plus her job at the library, she built that herself.

    Comment by susan — November 29, 2012 @ 11:41 am - November 29, 2012

  54. Am I noticing how loathsome and in appropriate many of the comments are on the left and right?

    Comment by davinci — November 29, 2012 @ 12:47 pm - November 29, 2012

  55. V the K,

    I overlooked that point, in Article XIII, but a Bush/Rubio ticket is not impossible. All Jeb has to do is relocate, probably to Texas where the rest of the family resides. Remember, when Nixon was elected President he was a resident of New York, having abandoned California after losing the gubernatorial election to unseat Pat Brown.

    Comment by Roberto — November 29, 2012 @ 12:48 pm - November 29, 2012

  56. So, let’s try it the other way. Let’s enact pro-growth economic policies so that there will be good-paying jobs even for people who don’t go to college.

    Sound like a plan?

    Oh yeah, that’s a great plan. All you have to do is enact the pro-growth policies, you see, and then everyone that didn’t go to college can have a good-paying job!

    Did a leprechaun tell you that this would work?

    Comment by Levi — November 29, 2012 @ 1:35 pm - November 29, 2012

  57. Shorter Levi.

    Keep with the failed processes of the current Administration! IT can’t be worse. Why be Estonia when we could be Greece!

    Now hush Levi, the adults are talking.

    Comment by The_Livewire — November 29, 2012 @ 1:40 pm - November 29, 2012

  58. Levi is a huge fan of the “Expand Government and give everyone a job as a bureaucrat” school of economics.

    Comment by V the K — November 29, 2012 @ 1:44 pm - November 29, 2012

  59. About calling the first cow ‘cow’, ever thought it could be for other reasons other than her body?

    I find her repulsive. From the way she feels entitled to everything that surrounds her, to her fake posture of the ‘working woman’ (who got her lucrative jobs thanks to her husband’s crooked deals & friends), to her infinite arrogance in telling people what to eat while being anything but a food expert or a doctor, to her ghetto manners.

    She dresses up like ghetto trash with atrocious color combination and accessories that only accentuate graceless figure. In Europe nobody with a modicum of taste would praise her. Only in the UK they fawn over her and notoriously English people have no taste.

    Also, Palin was savaged because she didn’t have a passport ( = never traveled abroad). What are the foreign credentials of the first cow before 2008?

    When she started jetting around the world on taxpayers dime it really seemed it was her first time, like the provincial small minded snob she is.

    Also, she gave a pathetic present to Laura bush at the inauguration directly in her hands seconds before the ritual photos. Have you ever wondered why such a thing never happened for the previous 50 inaugurations?

    Because 2008 was the first year we took the first lady from the herd at pasture.

    Wooooooooooah!

    Great stuff!

    Comment by Levi — November 29, 2012 @ 1:54 pm - November 29, 2012

  60. “I’m open to it, yeah. I think there’s a fight right now as to what the soul of the Republican party’s going to be and the conservative movement, and we have something to say about that. I think from our battle, we’re not going to leave the field.” – Rick Santorum, pointing out that he won eleven GOP primaries in 2012, the same number the Reagan won in his failed 1976 presidential bid.

    Comment by rusty — November 29, 2012 @ 1:59 pm - November 29, 2012

  61. “and then everyone that didn’t go to college can have a good-paying job! ”

    Bill gates and Steve jobs were college dropouts.

    When you are intelligent you make something out of your life, when you are Levi, no amount of degrees in transgender studies can save you.

    Comment by susan — November 29, 2012 @ 2:50 pm - November 29, 2012

  62. I can’t believe that people here would defend equating a women who carried two children to a cow

    A cow? I read that as “Mooch elle” not “Moo chelle” as NDT said.

    Capitalism isn’t about making sure everyone has a good paying job. It is about allowing people to make their own wealth. Anyone who doesn’t contribute to society deserves whatever that gets them (and there are still private resources for those people or for people who are just unlucky).

    Comment by Rattlesnake — November 29, 2012 @ 3:12 pm - November 29, 2012

  63. A college education is an increasingly bad investment for most people, unless its in Mathematics, Science, or Engineering and for society in general. The economy has pretty much absorbed all the Womyn’s Studies, Modern Dance, and Journalism Majors it can tolerate.

    Naturally, people like Levi with no useful worldly skills, support a vast expansion of Government so they can get do-nothing jobs in the bureaucracy. Nevermind how unsustainable and destructive that Socialist path is.

    Comment by V the K — November 29, 2012 @ 3:26 pm - November 29, 2012

  64. The Democrats chase their tax hike on upper incomes are like a dog chasing a car; they really have no idea what they’ll do after they catch it.

    Comment by V the K — November 29, 2012 @ 3:53 pm - November 29, 2012

  65. “I can’t believe that people here would defend equating a women who carried two children to a cow”

    To me the n. of children is irrelevant. She could be childless or with 12 and it wouldn’t change a thing (except in taxpayers money in staff and nannies and lavish holidays).

    As I said several times I am not American but her comment about being proud for the first time bla bla bla is chilling. Not even Imelda Marcos or any wife of some dictator dared to say something similar, it is simply absurd, nobody can be that stupid.

    It was clear from the beginning that those two parvenu could get away with anything and the cult was already established. It also helps that all demoncraps think alike and they elected him to validate their anti American and self loathing feelings.

    And what about the clapping during the presidential debates? Again unprecedented… To show the country once again her unmistakable class and the proper behavioral skills that sets her apart from the rest, inferior (in her deluded mind) white first ladies.

    And doing pilates in the Lincoln room, sweating all over the place? Again name another previous case… Beside bill Clinton antics with the cigar and Kennedy shores (all Democrats, note the pattern…) it beggars beliefs.

    Frankly, such an embarrassment. It will take decades to restore some decency and dignity in the white house. Not to mention everywhere else they left their nefarious stain.

    Comment by susan — November 29, 2012 @ 3:55 pm - November 29, 2012

  66. @35 – ILC, VtK: I’m all in favor of pro-growth policy but (insert my usual blather about the bell curve), really, can you see the Obamaphone woman negotiating a job?

    Levi – college doesn’t automatically yield gainful employment. I’m an engineer, reasonably well paid, and I don’t have a degree. In my experience, there’s not much correlation between engineering skills and college graduation. I’ve known some losers and some truly brilliant people – with and without college – and a degree is a poor predictor of skill.

    In the professions, some level of passion for the discipline is essential for success. With some degree of determination, a reasonably bright person can make it through medical school. But if it’s just a job, nothing else, you won’t wind up with a very good physician.

    Comment by SoCalRobert — November 29, 2012 @ 5:44 pm - November 29, 2012

  67. BTW, that guy that “fiscal conservative” concern troll mike voted for is asking for a $1.6 Trillion tax increase, unlimited spending authority, and… zero actual spending cuts.

    Comment by V the K — November 29, 2012 @ 6:30 pm - November 29, 2012

  68. And now Barack Obama and the Obama Party, who “fiscal conservatives” like concern-troll mike support and endorse and voted for, are now openly pushing punishing and taxing more heavily people who save for retirement.

    Of course. Because Michelle Obama shouldn’t have to pay her own vacation bills.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — November 29, 2012 @ 7:27 pm - November 29, 2012

  69. OMG

    Read the last link ndt posted, it is the bill of the next vacation the king and queen mooch are going to take

    Comment by susan — November 29, 2012 @ 7:45 pm - November 29, 2012

  70. Susan

    Your comment #51 is truly disgusting.

    Your comment makes NDT’s “suck cock” analogy look like he is describing a field of desert wild flowers blooming after the first rain.

    Comment by mike — November 29, 2012 @ 9:59 pm - November 29, 2012

  71. [Notice how the lower case concern troll attacks Susan and NDT to avoid addressing his Dear Leader's demand for $1.6 Trillion in new taxes, no real spending cuts, and unlimited spending authority... also $50 Billion in new stimulus spending.

    Comment by V the K — November 29, 2012 @ 11:01 pm - November 29, 2012

  72. V – I am happy to talk about that.
    For me his proposal is a step in the right direction. It brings our tax revenue up – still far below the level where the economy showed historical growth – and makes marginal cuts in entitlement spending.
    Its disappointing that it does nothing to bring the cuts to defense and doesn’t cut entitlement spending further, but it does show the dems understand that they can’t spend their way out of this mess.
    Its a decent start and expected because its almost exactly what he campaigned on. Now the real negotiating can begin. Hopefully the House can stay firm on spending cuts so we can get a deal that gives higher tax revenue + real cuts.
    I am optimistic.
    (Maybe that is naive of me, but I refuse to live in the doom and gloom world that so many others seem to live, I think these problems are solvable. His proposal would bring the deficit down by 2 Trillion dollars. Thats real money. Now we need more.)

    Comment by mike — November 29, 2012 @ 11:48 pm - November 29, 2012

  73. “Your comment #51 is truly disgusting.

    Your comment makes NDT’s “suck cock” analogy look like he is describing a field of desert wild flowers blooming after the first rain.”

    Nothing I wrote is factually incorrect. I even grant you she is not as obese as people male her to be. She is ugly on the inside and this is far worse than being fat or physically unpleasant.

    Barbara Bush was certainty not canonically beautiful or a fashion icon but she never pretended to be anything more than a low profile elderly woman.

    Truth hurts mike. Your comments on Laura Bush instead were vile and classist. The fact that you believe you have the moral obligation to be vile and classist on Laura Bush automatically disqualify you from calling disgusting what other ppl wrote.

    The Obama cult has problems with truth and evidence. You cannot reason with a cult fanatic.

    Everything I wrote is backed up with evidence, the comment about her graceless present at the inauguration I actually heard it from a commentator in my country that considered it so deprived of class that she commented “she is bringing a package of sweets/chocolates, she probably believes she’s going to a 5′oclock tea meeting with her friends” underlining she was way out of her league and it was an obvious manner and protocol misstep.

    But who cares? Imelda never cared about what her inferiors thought, nor Marie Antoinette.

    The cultists love also her bondage dresses. Appropriate for meeting with heads of states.

    Ever seen any heads of states meeting? Compared to the other wives she sticks out like a sore thumb. And you know why? No other foreign leader has a cult, no one is surrounded by yesmen and sychophants.

    Good job mike, keep up the cult. History will report it like the pages and pages on Elena Ceausescu. The only difference is that their press was not free. Ours supposedly is and this makes them twice as guilty

    Comment by susan — November 30, 2012 @ 1:11 am - November 30, 2012

  74. “Its disappointing that it does nothing to bring the cuts to defense and doesn’t cut entitlement spending further, but it does show the dems understand that they can’t spend their way out of this mess”

    Cuts on defense will mean military ppl unemployed. I believe your dear leader has a solution since his forte is GASP … Job creation…

    If the dems were so adamant cut spending is due why they never proposed it in 4 years? Or remotely passed a budget? Or flat out refused to even consider the Ryan plan?

    The pattern is not in your favor mike, it is not about being optimistic, it is about being flat out stupid.

    Democrats NEVER cut spending, not even under Reagan landslides but god forbid the emperor and queen Michelle Antoinette missing their 3 weeks lavish holiday…

    I truly hope your job or activity is severly threatened by all the disasters Obama created. It is mandatory that you suffer like the rest of us. This is the kind of equality I wish to the 77% of gays that voted for the cult leader.

    Comment by susan — November 30, 2012 @ 1:27 am - November 30, 2012

  75. The pattern is not in your favor mike, it is not about being optimistic, it is about being flat out stupid.

    Comment by susan — November 30, 2012 @ 1:27 am – November 30, 2012

    Exactly, susan.

    In 2008, Barack Obama promised a “net spending cut” — and then proceeded to massively increase spending and add $5 trillion to the national debt.

    And of course, the cultist concern-troll mike blabbers on that all we need is more “revenue”, that taxing “the rich” will fix all of our problems.

    As Mary Katherine Ham so helpfully calculated, the grand total of wealth of every single one of the US’s billionaires is $1.3 trillion — less than a quarter of what Obama has added to the debt, and barely enough to cover one of Obama’s annual deficits

    Clearly, that’s not enough. So let’s do what concern-troll mike and Barack Obama WANT to do and tax everyone in the United States who makes over $200k at 100% of their income.

    Now we’re up to $2.4 trillionless than half of the Obama deficit.

    But you can’t convince the ignorant cultist mike of this. He doesn’t understand math. He doesn’t care that Obama is a crummy President. He just wants to loot and mooch and get free sh*t because he’s a cocksucker, and he wants someone else to pay for it. He is a parasite. You can’t threaten his job because he doesn’t have one; he votes for a living.

    The only way to deal with parasites is to poison the milk. Since concern-troll mike doesn’t want any cuts in spending and wants more welfare, hike taxes on him. Make him pay. He’s been screaming for years that taxes don’t increase expenses and don’t harm the economy; let him live it.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — November 30, 2012 @ 2:58 am - November 30, 2012

  76. And susan, here’s why the looters and moochers like concern-troll mike want Obama, in a nutshell:

    [I]t is now more lucrative – in the form of actual disposable income – to sit, do nothing, and collect various welfare entitlements, than to work. This is graphically, and very painfully confirmed, in the below chart from Gary Alexander, Secretary of Public Welfare, Commonwealth of Pennsylvania (a state best known for its broke capital Harrisburg). As quantitied, and explained by Alexander, “the single mom is better off earning gross income of $29,000 with $57,327 in net income & benefits than to earn gross income of $69,000 with net income and benefits of $57,045.“…..

    In today’s America, it is reasonable to conclude that unless you make a great deal of money, you are a sucker if you work hard. And, in fact, a great many Americans have concluded exactly that. Check out these data, again from the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare. Each 1.25 Americans working in the private sector is supporting 1.0 welfare recipients and government employees–mostly welfare recipients:

    Concern-troll mike is a ward of the state. Like all liberals, mike is a classic case of arrested development, a perpetual child who is casting around for a mommy and a daddy to pay his bills, give him whatever he wants, and punish those who dare criticize him.

    Hence his unhealthy fixation on the mooching Obamas. Their rhetoric is what a child expects from his parents — nothing is your fault, everyone else is being mean to you, we’ll make sure everything is paid for you and you get all the toys and candy you want.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — November 30, 2012 @ 3:24 am - November 30, 2012

  77. There are no entitlement cuts in Obama’s proposal, not even marginal ones. Only a promise to discuss entitlement cuts that would take place a decade from now. i.e. Never.

    There is also a massive “Stimulus” package tacked onto it, i.e. More money for his donors in the public employee unions and “green energy” companies.

    Comment by V the K — November 30, 2012 @ 5:40 am - November 30, 2012

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