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  1. And to top all of that off, he’ll soon be off on another $4M family Christmas vacation to Hawaii on our dime, for the 4th year in a row. (http://www.hawaiireporter.com/residents-alerted-to-obamas-hawaiian-holiday-plans/123)

    He CLEARLY doesn’t give a crap about the fiscal issues facing this country!

    Comment by Matt Silvey — November 30, 2012 @ 1:50 pm - November 30, 2012

  2. Yeah, every time a lib gets laid off, they should be reminded, “At least you voted with your lady parts and didn’t elect that smart, rich Mormon businessman with a track record of turning around troubled businesses.”

    Comment by V the K — November 30, 2012 @ 2:21 pm - November 30, 2012

  3. Said this in the other thread (where it was greeted with merriment) and don’t like to repeat myself, but… sorry Dan, Obama’s approach is indeed balanced.

    Democrats believe in their hearts that the deficit should NOT be reduced. Levi just told us this explicitly, in the other thread:

    Government spending is not the immediate threat to the economy…
    We need higher taxes to increase government revenues so government can spend more… Yes, this adds to the deficit…
    You’re supposed to run deficits when the economy is in recession. Spend money to make money. The deficit does not have nearly the urgency that conservatives would have us believe, and you guys don’t know anything about economics anyway.

    Obama proposes higher taxes. He seriously thinks they will yield higher revenue. (He’s wrong about that, but that’s another story; for now, He thinks what He thinks.) To achieve a net deficit reduction of zero, those supposed higher revenues must be balanced by new/higher spending. Obama isn’t admitting that that’s what He means by “balanced”, but I tell you, it is.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — November 30, 2012 @ 2:52 pm - November 30, 2012

  4. Exactly, ILC.

    Fascists always use “emergencies” to justify fascist behavior.

    Our new fascist troll Aaron insists that the government needs to ration food and water.

    Our current fascist troll Levi insists that the government needs to run massive deficits since we’re in a recession.

    But, as I’ve showed, these trolls don’t have a word to say about their Obama owners living luxuriously and extravagantly on taxpayer dollars or their fellow Obama supporters using food stamps to buy cigarettes, lottery tickets, bail, booze, and fast food.

    Even though their tax-the-rich-and-never-cut-spending “solution” is mathematically impossible, they still keep screaming it.

    They simply are unhinged and delusional. They are like horses breaking into a grain shed, with no idea of the pain they’re about to put themselves in.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — November 30, 2012 @ 4:40 pm - November 30, 2012

  5. Folks, what we have here is not a fiscal cliff, but a spending cliff. Politicians have their panties twisted that they may run out of money to spend.

    Our government creates crises in which the solution if for more government, more spending, more taxes, more bureaucracy, more regulations, and less liberty.

    It’s not a partisan thing. It’s what government does–no matter who is in charge.

    Comment by Niall — November 30, 2012 @ 5:19 pm - November 30, 2012

  6. If liberals spent half as much time screaming at Democrats to be more fiscally responsible as they do at Republicans for not being socially liberal enough, progress might be possible. But so long as they refuse to hold their own politicians accountable…

    Comment by V the K — November 30, 2012 @ 6:00 pm - November 30, 2012

  7. Matt, would love it if someone asked Mr. Obama how he feels jetting off on a $4million vacation on the taxpayer dime while the budget is out of balance and many Americans are still suffering.

    Comment by B. Daniel Blatt — November 30, 2012 @ 6:06 pm - November 30, 2012

  8. We’re seeing two things here. One is that the negotiations aren’t going well. When one side begins leaking the other side’s proposals, that’s typically a bad sign. The other is that Republicans are frustrated at the new Obama they’re facing: The Obama who refuses to negotiate with himself.

    That’s what you’re really seeing in this “proposal.” Previously, Obama’s pattern had been to offer plans that roughly tracked where he thought the compromise should end up. The White House’s belief was that by being solicitous in their policy proposals, they would win goodwill on the other side, and even if they didn’t, the media would side with them, realizing they’d sought compromise and been rebuffed. They don’t believe that anymore.
    “Team Obama’s fiscal cliff proposal is just not serious ”

    “Perhaps the key lesson the White House took from the last couple of years is this: Don’t negotiate with yourself. If Republicans want to cut Medicare, let them propose the cuts. If they want to raise revenue through tax reform, let them identify the deductions. If they want deeper cuts in discretionary spending, let them settle on a number. And, above all, if they don’t like the White House’s preferred policies, let them propose their own. That way, if the White House eventually does give in and agree to some of their demands, Republicans will feel like they got one over on the president. A compromise isn’t measured by what you offer, it’s measured by what the other side feels they made you concede.

    The GOP is right: This isn’t a serious proposal. But it’s not evidence that Obama isn’t serious. He’s very serious about not negotiating with himself, and his opening bid proves it. Now that they’ve leaked his initial offer, the next question is obvious: What’s their offer?”

    Comment by Passing By — December 1, 2012 @ 12:28 am - December 1, 2012

  9. Unfortunately for the imbecile Passing By, Barack Obama screamed and shit himself that he would raise no taxes other than on the “top 1%”.

    Which wouldn’t come anywhere close to the $1.6 trillion he’s demanding, and would be even farther than the $5 trillion he’s already added to the national debt.

    So Barack Obama lied. Passing By lied. The entire Obama Party lied. And as liars like Passing By do, they try to divert and spin and blame and attack the Republicans.

    This actually empowers the Republicans more. They are aware that Barack Obama and the media will lie about them regardless of what they do; therefore, the best thing to do is to let the economy go over the cliff.

    There’s no downside for Republicans. They will get an immediate and massive spending cut and they will immediately broaden the tax base to include the mooching and looting Obama base, who will suddenly be staring at a massive tax bill to pay for the benefits that Santa Claus promised them.

    And then they make it clear: either Obama accepts massive cuts in entitlement and welfare spending, or the tax rates stay.

    And if Obama and the Obama Party scream, we have years of video of them ranting and raging that tax cuts are bad, that tax cuts hurt the economy, that tax cuts should never be considered as economic policy, ad nauseum.

    And Republicans have a deal for 2014; give us both houses, and we will cut spending AND lower your taxes.

    Especially since, in 2014, the Obamacare tax hikes kick in, and the pain becomes more and more intense.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — December 1, 2012 @ 1:05 am - December 1, 2012

  10. NDT, it would be true if we lived in a sane world, but this is Through the Looking Glass worled where higher undemployment and increased debt is an improving economy, where a man who strappped his dog carrier to the roof of his car decades ago is portrayed as cruel to animals (and people believe it), where an impreached womanizer, a five star general in the War on Women is a hero, and the White House is freinds with the Islamic Brotherhood, yet won the Jewish vote. We are dealing with half the at least half the country being insane. The pain of the tax hikes will be successfully blamed on the or be spun as something else and still blamed on the Republicans. We are dealing with evil, lying, master manipulators.

    Comment by Paul — December 1, 2012 @ 1:24 am - December 1, 2012

  11. *world, impeached, friends, “will be succesfully blamed on or”….I need new contacts.

    Comment by Paul — December 1, 2012 @ 1:26 am - December 1, 2012

  12. And then they make it clear: either Obama accepts massive cuts in entitlement and welfare spending, or the tax rates stay.”
    “And Republicans have a deal for 2014; give us both houses, and we will cut spending AND lower your taxes [after refusing to cut your taxes for two years previously; and even though Obama is President and can likely veto this].”

    Comment by Passing By — December 1, 2012 @ 2:40 am - December 1, 2012

  13. All liberals lie, constantly and without remorse.

    Comment by V the K — December 1, 2012 @ 9:15 am - December 1, 2012

  14. It would be interesting to see what would happen if Boner put the president’s proposal to a vote:

    1. Massive tax hike.
    2. No spending cuts.
    3. No entitlement reforms.
    4. Spending increases.
    5. Surrender of congressional authority to raise the debt ceiling.

    I wonder how many Dems would vote for that package.

    Comment by V the K — December 1, 2012 @ 1:15 pm - December 1, 2012

  15. Another crazy idea. Republicans pass tax hike, give the president 6 months to implement spending cuts or tax rates revert back to Bush levels.

    Comment by V the K — December 1, 2012 @ 1:46 pm - December 1, 2012

  16. V, if I had faith the Republicans were smart, that’s what I would advise the House to do; go over the cliff, then craft a bill slashing spending and tie it to the tax cuts.

    Obama won’t sign it. And then the screaming, tantrum-throwing black child has to explain to his constituency of moochers and looters that they need to pay more.

    Perfection.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — December 1, 2012 @ 2:12 pm - December 1, 2012

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