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  1. Nor will the MFM cover Howard Dean saying that the tax increases and defense cuts of the fiscal cliff are exactly what Democrats want.

    Comment by V the K — November 30, 2012 @ 6:52 pm - November 30, 2012

  2. The GOP caves in to the Democrats all the time. Look at he debt limit talks 17 months ago. I want all tax increases to go into effect. Go back to the Clinton years, and let’s see if we have a repeat of the mid and late 1990s. It won’t happen this time, and finally most of the middle class will have to pay for the goodies they pay into only a small amount.

    Comment by davinci — November 30, 2012 @ 7:41 pm - November 30, 2012

  3. Agree, for what it’s worth. I think the House should walk way from negotiations with the Ex Branch, pass a reasonable bill, and announce they will be glad to negotiate further with the Democrats in a House-Senate conference committee. That is not only the way it is supposed to work under the Constitution, it is more likely to work. Obama not only is failing to put forth a reasonable proposal, he’s about to go to Hawaii.

    Comment by Amy Ridenour — November 30, 2012 @ 9:32 pm - November 30, 2012

  4. Moments like these are when it becomes painfully obvious that the president is not the leader of our country. He is the head agitator for the left, but he is not leading. He has not interest in an actual deal and he has no actual interest in budget reform of any kind.

    This is either the delusional reemergence of the “I won” mentality he adopted in 2009, or he doesn’t actually want tax rates extended for anyone. One could speculate on the motives behind that all day long, but his “offer” was so insane that it’s difficult to believe he is making a serious attempt to avoid the cliff. He could drive us right off the cliff and get exactly what he wants while using the GOP as cover.

    Comment by Jimmy — November 30, 2012 @ 11:38 pm - November 30, 2012

  5. “The issue is not [Democratic] intransigence, but [Republicans]’s failure to negotiate in good faith.”

    The Republican positioning on Medicare has set the tone for the current budget impasse. Obama is asking for $1.6 trillion in higher tax revenue. Republicans are demanding more spending cuts, but they won’t say how much they want, let alone what specifically they will cut. The current party thinking on Medicare, sanctified by Romney and Ryan, has defined itself as matching or even outspending Obama on Medicare for anybody aged 55 and up. That would lock out any budget savings at all for the next decade, and make any savings roll in extremely slowly afterward.

    Republicans could present a plan like that in negotiations — deep Medicare cuts that don’t start to take effect until 2022. But, since the two sides have already cut discretionary spending to the bone, that would necessarily require that any deal necessarily have far more tax hikes than spending cuts over the next decade. But Republicans don’t want that, either. It’s not clear that their goals can be expressed at all, at least not in arithmetically coherent form.

    Hence their current demand that Obama formulate a proposed slate of entitlement spending cuts on their behalf. Right now Republicans seem to need Obama to conduct both sides of the negotiation.

    Comment by Passing By — November 30, 2012 @ 11:46 pm - November 30, 2012

  6. Unfortunately for the imbecile Passing By, Barack Obama screamed and shit himself that he would raise no taxes other than on the “top 1%”.

    Which wouldn’t come anywhere close to the $1.6 trillion he’s demanding, and would be even farther than the $5 trillion he’s already added to the national debt.

    So Barack Obama lied. Passing By lied. The entire Obama Party lied. And as liars like Passing By do, they try to divert and spin and blame and attack the Republicans.

    This actually empowers the Republicans more. They are aware that Barack Obama and the media will lie about them regardless of what they do; therefore, the best thing to do is to let the economy go over the cliff.

    There’s no downside for Republicans. They will get an immediate and massive spending cut and they will immediately broaden the tax base to include the mooching and looting Obama base, who will suddenly be staring at a massive tax bill to pay for the benefits that Santa Claus promised them.

    And then they make it clear: either Obama accepts massive cuts in entitlement and welfare spending, or the tax rates stay.

    And if Obama and the Obama Party scream, we have years of video of them ranting and raging that tax cuts are bad, that tax cuts hurt the economy, that tax cuts should never be considered as economic policy, ad nauseum.

    And Republicans have a deal for 2014; give us both houses, and we will cut spending AND lower your taxes.

    Especially since, in 2014, the Obamacare tax hikes kick in, and the pain becomes more and more intense.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — December 1, 2012 @ 12:21 am - December 1, 2012

  7. Barack Hussein Obama has no poltical problem at all. He won. He is the socialist dictator in charge. He is amassing more power with every bit of legislation. He has the media on his side and a cult following of at least haf the country. There is no political problem for him. The only problem is for the Republican party because they are either betraying their constitutiants by going along with these Democrat @ssholes or fighting them and losing the battle (how could they win with friends like Boehner?). Either way, the Republican party is losing and is slipping further and further into oblivion. Why? Because they have been castrated and are one in the same as the Demonrats. I would go so far as to say that Romney and Gingrich HELPED the communists win. Some Republican party members, like the phony Boehner, have the same level of principle as the Democrats, which is to say they have NO principles except acquire power, authority, and money for themselves (who was the last Republican to talk about The Consitution or of liberty?); they should just join the Democrats so that the real Republicans can at least get to work on restoring The Constitution without the dead weight killing the party.

    Comment by Paul — December 1, 2012 @ 1:04 am - December 1, 2012

  8. “2.The GOP caves in to the Democrats all the time. Look at the debt limit talks 17 months ago”

    Or 30 years ago when the Dems didn’t cut spending under Reagan or twenty years ago when HW Bush started talking about the New World Order subservient to the UN or when 4 years ago when G W Bush said he was going to suspend the free market in order to save it, thereby AGREEING with Obama? WE HAVE NO BALLS! We have become a party of roll-over pussies. We have become the party of losers, who say we need to change our message to be more friendly to the illegals (like the left), who CANNOT EVEN LEAD A COUNTRY FULL OF LOSERS who want other people to pay for their birth control and who are SO weak they won’t even identify Islamists as the enemy, and who are always the ones to compromise. Think about that!!!

    Comment by Paul — December 1, 2012 @ 2:04 am - December 1, 2012

  9. “the imbecile … screamed and shit himself

    And then they make it clear: either Obama accepts massive cuts in entitlement and welfare spending, or the tax rates stay. …And Republicans have a deal for 2014; give us both houses, and we will cut spending AND lower your taxes.

    Comment by Passing By — December 1, 2012 @ 2:47 am - December 1, 2012

  10. Yes indeed, Passing By, that’s what you have; every single one of your posts is really nothing more than you screaming “SIEG HEIL, OBAMA!” and frantically saluting.

    One has to laugh when one realizes how mentally and morally impaired you are, given your need to worship Barack Obama as your Lord and Messiah.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — December 1, 2012 @ 3:02 am - December 1, 2012

  11. As long as the media fawns over Obama rather than being serious about their role in the US, Obama has nothing to worry about and he knows it.

    He can remain unserious about the fiscal mess our country is in, because the media will gladly point the finger at the GOP and lay the blame at their feet.

    Obama has the upper hand here and doesn’t really have to try because the media isn’t going to hold him accountable for anything and if they don’t get to blame Boehner and McConnel they can still point the finger at Bush and the idiots who go out and vote for Obama will swallow it all.

    Comment by Just Me — December 1, 2012 @ 8:39 am - December 1, 2012

  12. I think the reason the GOP caves so readily is that most of them are closet statists. No point in standing up for liberty or the free market if, deep down, you don’t really believe in those things.

    Comment by V the K — December 1, 2012 @ 9:12 am - December 1, 2012

  13. Obama is becoming a master of taqiyya and sounding more like Morsi everyday. He does not give a rats *** about America and those of us who do care about this countries future just can not accept we have leaders who do not. After all the wars, blood shed, trials and battles it is sad to see us come to this. And even harder to believe.

    Comment by Linda Strickland — December 1, 2012 @ 9:25 am - December 1, 2012

  14. Linda, I think it’s no longer a question of if the country will collapse, but when. As a nation, we built up a lot of economic and social capital, but we burned through it rapidly once the welfare state took hold and are now borrowing vast amounts of money to maintain the welfare state while simultaneously destroying… through regulation, litigation, and environmental extremism… the economic engine that formerly supported the welfare state.

    Democrats (the Evil Party) have no intention of changing course, and Republicans (the Stupid Party) are too feckless to challenge them. There’s a delusion on the left that the laws of economics don’t apply to us, and we can spend, regulate, and tax indefinitely. They are wrong.

    The best course now is to prepare… and pray.

    Comment by V the K — December 1, 2012 @ 10:27 am - December 1, 2012

  15. The collapse is going to be tough, but killing the host is sometimes the only way to get rid of the parasites.

    Comment by V the K — December 1, 2012 @ 10:55 am - December 1, 2012

  16. Mark Steyn’s column today is relevant.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/334549/kindly-note-impending-bankruptcy-mark-steyn

    Right now, on Fox News, the chyron says “‘Don’t touch entitlements’ pledge sparks debate”. If we can’t even touch entitlements (e.g the idea of gradually pushing the social security retirement age to 70 by 2075) then, really, what’s the point?

    Be sure to note in Mark’s column the fact that the US tax code is far more progressive than, say, Norway’s.

    The electorate consistently votes for Big Government. Maybe it’s time to present the check.

    Comment by SoCalRobert — December 1, 2012 @ 11:09 am - December 1, 2012

  17. #16: “The electorate consistently votes for Big Government. Maybe it’s time to present the check.”

    Well said, SoCalRobert.

    Comment by Sean A — December 1, 2012 @ 11:20 am - December 1, 2012

  18. Maybe, #ShowThemTheBill is a better slogan than #LetItBurn.

    SRSLY, any financial advisors out there want to help me convert my IRA to silver?

    Comment by V the K — December 1, 2012 @ 11:30 am - December 1, 2012

  19. He has all the media coverage he needs, won’t be deserting him anytime soon.

    Comment by Leah — December 1, 2012 @ 11:52 am - December 1, 2012

  20. Of course, the flaw with giving the parasites the bill for their Government Services is they will just expect someone else to pay it, anyway. Someone always has.

    Comment by V the K — December 1, 2012 @ 11:59 am - December 1, 2012

  21. Mother Nature created houseflies, cockroaches, maggots, mosquitoes, fleas, ticks, slugs, leeches and intestinal parasites.

    Then she lowered her standards to a breathtaking new depth of depravity and created Passing By & the posse of leftards.

    Comment by susan — December 1, 2012 @ 1:17 pm - December 1, 2012

  22. every single one of your posts is really nothing more than you screaming “SIEG HEIL, OBAMA!” and frantically saluting.

    One has to laugh when one realizes how mentally and morally impaired you are.

    Comment by Passing By — December 1, 2012 @ 5:28 pm - December 1, 2012

  23. “Then she lowered her standards to a breathtaking new depth of depravity and created …

    All this in turn ties in, I think, with a phenomenon I notice a lot on the right: the persistent portrayal of people who disagree with them as marginal figures with trivial support. I think of Bill O’Reilly dismissing anyone who presents data he doesn’t like as “far left”, even when they’re thoroughly mainstream. … I’m not sure I fully understand this phenomenon, but it comes in part from a refusal to pay any attention at all to what other people think.

    The point isn’t just that right-wingers believe in their own reality, but that they don’t think it matters that other people have different versions of reality. And no, this isn’t symmetric: liberals don’t consider it unnecessary to know what conservatives are thinking, or dismiss actually influential figures as marginal. Liberal may despise Rush Limbaugh, but they won’t dismiss him as a marginal figure nobody listens to.

    In some ways, the right’s epistemic closure has been a source of strength; right-wingers certainly don’t negotiate with themselves. But reality does have a way of making itself known, eventually, and the right really doesn’t know what to do when that happens.”

    Comment by Passing By — December 1, 2012 @ 5:35 pm - December 1, 2012

  24. #23: Passing By – you’ve written an accurate description of the left. For example, let someone posit that Susan Rice, regardless of what lies she was told to tell re Benghazi, is not qualified to be SecState and the left immediately denounces that someone as a racist. Let someone on the right say that Sandra Fluke is certainly entitled to use whatever form of contraceptive she chooses but that it’s up to her to pay for them and you have a War on Women ™.

    Bill O’Reilly may call someone a lefty but that pales in comparison to being called a bitter clinger or a racist by elected officials. O’Reilly is a TV gasbag… he can’t raise my taxes, put me out of business, deny me free speech, take away my guns, saddle my nieces and nephews with un-payable debt, turn the nation into just another Third World basket case, leave Americans in Benghazi do die alone, or throw me in jail.

    There is more debate on the right than on the left… be it same-sex marriage, abortion, taxes, spending, military interventions, immigration. The debates on the right can be unpleasant but they do occur. How many pro-life Dems can you tell me about? The Tea Party is a reaction to the Big Government policies of GWB and the establishment Right. Where’s the Tea Party Left (Occupy Wall Street?)?

    What happens to a lefty when he/she mentions a politically unacceptable idea (see Larry Summers loses job at Harvard) even when the context is the Academy’s legendary “free exchange of ideas”.

    There’s even debate within this small community of GP readers even though most of us consider ourselves conservatives or libertarians.

    Re the budget: in constant dollars, the government spends twice per capita as it did in the 70s. Do you really think that this doubling of spending has improved our lot in life or our position in the world? The Left claims a monopoly on science but simple arithmetic demonstrates that our government has grown far more expensive than has our ability (or desire) to pay for it.

    Comment by SoCalRobert — December 1, 2012 @ 6:09 pm - December 1, 2012

  25. #23: “The point isn’t just that right-wingers believe in their own reality, but that they don’t think it matters that other people have different versions of reality.”

    Different versions of reality? A ‘different version’ of reality is by definition one’s OWN VERSION of reality, which is NOT reality at all.

    No surprise this typical, imbecilic gem was authored by Krugman and that it’s being cited and endorsed by a bleating, O-bot sheep like Passing By.

    Comment by Sean A — December 1, 2012 @ 6:37 pm - December 1, 2012

  26. And on top of that, it’s incorrect; conservatives understand liberals far better than liberals understand conservatives.

    Which is why every single one of Passing By’s posts is really nothing more than it screaming “SIEG HEIL, OBAMA!” and frantically saluting. Liberals demonize conservatives just as their Nazi forbears demonized the Jews; not out of reality, but as a means of avoiding reality.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — December 1, 2012 @ 6:48 pm - December 1, 2012

  27. I believe in the version of reality where Government cannot infinitely extract more money from the productive for redistribution to the unproductive without destroying society.

    I believe in the version of reality where the laws of economics are not suspended because liberals don’t think they apply yo them

    Comment by V the K — December 1, 2012 @ 7:19 pm - December 1, 2012

  28. Liberal may despise Rush Limbaugh,

    I would wager at least 90% of liberals have no idea why they despise Rush. They only know that they’re supposed to. Of the few that do know, I guarandamntee you it’s only based on what MediaMorons told them he said.

    Comment by TGC — December 2, 2012 @ 12:23 am - December 2, 2012

  29. It’s not clear that their goals can be expressed at all,

    That from the folks who thought “We have to pass the bill to find out what’s in it” made perfect sense.

    Comment by TGC — December 2, 2012 @ 12:25 am - December 2, 2012

  30. “I don’t think we need to put a formal proposal out on the table,” Cole said on ABC’s “This Week.”

    Comment by Cas — December 2, 2012 @ 11:26 pm - December 2, 2012

  31. “Re the budget: in constant dollars, the government spends twice per capita as it did in the 70s. Do you really think that this doubling of spending has improved our lot in life or our position in the world?”

    Per capita income GDP
    1970: 3177 (current dollars) 16,422 (2011 dollars)
    2011 27,554 (current dollars) 27,554 (2011 dollars)

    Comment by Passing By — December 3, 2012 @ 11:16 am - December 3, 2012

  32. And on top of that, it’s incorrect; conservatives understand liberals far better than liberals understand conservatives.

    Utterly ridiculous. Around here, conservatives are way off every time they attempt to re-state the liberal position on anything. You are the never-ending proof of this every day, and I will assume you will demonstrate that very fact by accusing me of supporting contraception coverage because I want to get teenagers drunk and have sex with them.

    Meanwhile, conservatism is easy to understand. I have no doubt in my mind that I could pose as a conservative better than anyone here could pose as a liberal. It’s all appeals to ignorance and authority, stroking egos, and useless platitudes. It’s mindless, which makes it easy to replicate. It’s why conservatism is the party of religion and business – all you have to do is convince somebody of a line of bullshit that they want to believe.

    Comment by Levi — December 3, 2012 @ 12:52 pm - December 3, 2012

  33. Utterly ridiculous. Around here, conservatives are way off every time they attempt to re-state the liberal position on anything.

    [Citation needed]

    You are the never-ending proof of this every day, and I will assume you will demonstrate that very fact by accusing me of supporting contraception coverage because I want to get teenagers drunk and have sex with them.

    Shorter Levi: Stop quoting me!

    Comment by The_Livewire — December 3, 2012 @ 2:34 pm - December 3, 2012

  34. I think recovery is like pulling a band-aid off. do it slowly and it hurts a lot longer and lingers, rip the thing off and it’s a sharp pain that fades quickly.

    Comment by The_Livewire — December 3, 2012 @ 2:36 pm - December 3, 2012

  35. You are the never-ending proof of this every day, and I will assume you will demonstrate that very fact by accusing me of supporting contraception coverage because I want to get teenagers drunk and have sex with them.

    Comment by Levi — December 3, 2012 @ 12:52 pm – December 3, 2012

    Yup. And with your own words, too.

    Getting too drunk or forgetting your condoms or allowing yourself to be pressured into it by your horny boyfriend or the kind of everyday, run-of-the-mill bad decisions we all make, like spending 6 dollars on coffee or watching Jersey Shore.

    Comment by Levi — September 24, 2012 @ 1:57 pm – September 24, 2012

    Perhaps if you had been raised right, Levi, or actually gotten an education, you wouldn’t have been so stupid as to try to lie your way out of these things.

    But you weren’t and you didn’t, so frankly, trapping you in your own desperate and malicious lies is like shooting fish in a barrel.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — December 3, 2012 @ 3:19 pm - December 3, 2012

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