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  1. Make the tax increases expire unless the White House implements spending cuts.

    Comment by V the K — December 1, 2012 @ 7:09 pm - December 1, 2012

  2. [...] patriot brain storms an approach here that trades tax increases for NPR and PBS [...]

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  3. That’s genius, V the K!

    Comment by Polly — December 1, 2012 @ 7:44 pm - December 1, 2012

  4. I don’t think it was pointed out much, during the campaign, that Sesame Street and many other programs get beau coup cash via endowments from……the (evil) rich. Besides, they should make enough off of Bugger-Me Elmo to keep going.

    Comment by TGC — December 1, 2012 @ 11:38 pm - December 1, 2012

  5. I hope you won’t mind me saying I tweeted this a week or two ago. Let Obama explain why he opposes. That is, if he picks up the phone at all when he’s in Hawaii.

    Comment by Amy Ridenour — December 2, 2012 @ 1:44 am - December 2, 2012

  6. But then there won’t be any high-brow television or radio for rich people to watch or listen to (I mean, it’s not like rich people have money to fund those things or anything).

    Comment by Rattlesnake — December 2, 2012 @ 2:04 am - December 2, 2012

  7. I agree spending cuts should be part of the package.
    What about subsidies? Energy companies, big agriculture, etc? As you point out, they do well in the private marketplace, and why should they get bottom line help from the government at taxpayer expense?

    Comment by hmm_contrib — December 2, 2012 @ 3:30 am - December 2, 2012

  8. Get a clue dude! “Defunding NPR and PBS” is a marketing non-starter that just plays into the Obamacrats playbook of that the just wants to take your free stuff away. Then the GOP spends all of it’s time wallowing around trying to figure out how to counter this simple political offense.

    These days, politics is all about marketing. The proper political marketing approach for this issue (and others) is to ‘privatize PBS and NPR’, which translates into “Let’s make NPR and PBA into model private charities so those who want it can pay for it with their tax deductible dollars”.

    Comment by Seipherd — December 2, 2012 @ 3:34 am - December 2, 2012

  9. #7: I suspect you’d get little to no argument from conservative about cutting corporate welfare. Even better if we improve the business climate so that people who lose their jobs when the corporate welfare stops can find gainful employment in the private sector.

    Comment by SoCalRobert — December 2, 2012 @ 10:18 am - December 2, 2012

  10. SCR, the problem is when Democrats (the Evil Party) calls “corporate welfare,” is things like research and development and investments that don’t pay off (like an oil company drilling a well that comes up dry) that are tax-deductible. That is what they want to eliminate.

    When it comes to real corporate welfare in the form of the GM bailout, Obama’s grants and loans to “green energy” companies that never get paid back because the companies go bankrupt, and Federal ethanol mandates… that kind of corporate welfare is cheered and supported by the Evil Party.

    Comment by V the K — December 2, 2012 @ 11:17 am - December 2, 2012

  11. I agree spending cuts should be part of the package.
    What about subsidies? Energy companies, big agriculture, etc? As you point out, they do well in the private marketplace, and why should they get bottom line help from the government at taxpayer expense?

    Comment by hmm_contrib — December 2, 2012 @ 3:30 am – December 2, 2012

    They create far more jobs, wealth, and useful products than do subsidies to drunks and adult babies, that’s why.

    If the point of the leftist Obama Party is to dole out money to “create jobs”, then I see no reason why the money shouldn’t go to actual job creators, rather than the Obama base of welfare addicts that create no jobs and bleed working people dry.

    That’s the answer. Personally, I would rather cut off ALL subsidies to anyone, and then cut tax rates to the bare minimum. But, since the Obama Party screams and cries and has to subsidize things, it might as well go to people who are actually creating things other than vomit and diaper bombs.

    Meanwhile, as for your “private market” whine, I will buy that from liberals the instant they allow the private market to set peoples’ compensation for working or choosing not to work. Here’s a hint: the market does not pay people six figures to get drunk or to sit at home dressed up like a baby. Government does.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — December 2, 2012 @ 1:52 pm - December 2, 2012

  12. VtK: point taken. I suppose it depends on how corporate welfare is defined. No doubt, to the left, Solyndra was not corporate welfare nor was the bailout of GM and its unions.

    Comment by SoCalRobert — December 2, 2012 @ 4:57 pm - December 2, 2012

  13. NDT: those two stories disgust me – although there is no surprise at all.

    I remember the adult baby item… proof, if needed, that there is no shame.

    Comment by SoCalRobert — December 2, 2012 @ 5:10 pm - December 2, 2012

  14. Dear Bruce,
    First,my income will rise several fold next year,and I’m close to the ‘rich level’ now.It’s not a big deal to me personally if I pay 35 or 40 % fed taxes.But,I don’t like my taxes being raised so others don’t have to pay.And,being blunt,when folks like me vote with my feet,the country suffers.

    Comment by corwin — December 2, 2012 @ 5:39 pm - December 2, 2012

  15. The dirty little secret here is that PBS/NPR get a ton of old republican establishment money and support because they think they are supporting “good taste” and this is in great part why all efforts to defund PBS/NPR fail.

    Comment by Richard Bell — December 2, 2012 @ 6:53 pm - December 2, 2012

  16. #14 – corwin

    I feel your pain.

    Comment by Richard Bell — December 2, 2012 @ 6:54 pm - December 2, 2012

  17. corwin – Where would you go?
    Just wondering because unless I am mistaken Tax rates are at historical lows right now.
    (and I might be mistaken because I have not researched this)

    V – I like this idea. Hopefully targeted and specific cuts are offered and agreed to.

    # 7 – Everything should be on the table. Entitlements / Defense and subsidies.

    Cut as must as possible that still allows for a viable social safety net and raise taxes to the Clinton Era level!
    Not so catchy but what I hope happens.

    Comment by mike — December 3, 2012 @ 12:01 am - December 3, 2012

  18. 8.Get a clue dude! “Defunding NPR and PBS” is a marketing non-starter that just plays into the Obamacrats playbook of that [sic] the just wants to take your free stuff away.

    Agreed. I cringe every time I hear a conservative voice—including Presidential candidates—call for the ‘elimination of subsidies’ to PBS & NPR (ie, the Corporation for Public Broadcasting). It’s a no-win in the PR game and invites the equivalent of the online ads showing a Paul Ryan-esqe figure pushing granny-in-a-wheelchair off a cliff. (Or some dope in a two-bit Big Bird costume holding out a tin cup.) CPB-funded entities are one of the few areas everyday Americans can relate to in something that the Federal government does which they might derive benefit from (Federal grant dollars to highways notwithstanding).

    However, I don’t think renaming the desire to defund CPB is the answer. Much like the old TV ads for magazine sweepstakes, “You can’t win if you don’t enter!” Same with public broadcasting. If you have no skin in the game, you can’t expect any of your complaints to take hold. Does anyone really think Vivian Schiller would have drawn up her own walking papers over the Juan Williams dismissal and fundraising-Tea Party slur if there wasn’t some perceived accountability because of the public funding aspect (however small it may actually be) to NPR?

    In a sea of left-of-center media voices, I would still rather pay for Tickle Me [Erotically] Elmo
    than watch advertising-supported Go-Screw-Yourself-If-You’re-Too-Stupid-To-Like-Us MSNBC. At least one comes with some inherent public responsibility.

    Comment by RSG — December 3, 2012 @ 3:15 am - December 3, 2012

  19. You are on to something here with make the tax increases expire. Now what to tie it to seems to be the best avenue. My offer is to tie it to elimination of governmental grants. Specifically grants to a single receiving group from multiple departments with a gimlet eye towards “education” grants. The trick is to identify the specific grants whose innocuous names don’t indicate that they are, or could be, “for the children”. We all know how that Democrat Party trick works, remember Bush wanted to poison children.
    It is here, through the grant process, that many of the community organizing racket get their free stuff in order to get others free stuff. Another area would be the myriad grants to Planned Parenthood after their disgusting take down of Komen. PP should not be allowed to receive Fed Funding for politicizing Komen. Then again if I see another pink ribbon, football shoe etc., my head could explode.

    Comment by Karensky — December 3, 2012 @ 6:35 am - December 3, 2012

  20. But raising taxes is the nod to the deficit that the Republicans claim to be sooooo adamant about. Get that? Conservatives want (or pretend to want) deficit reduction and aren’t in any position to achieve that objective on their own. When you don’t have the power to achieve your objectives on your own, you have to take what you can get. Raising taxes on the wealthy is deficit reduction, so what do the Republicans have to complain about? To hear most conservatives tell it, Democrats love spending and couldn’t care less about the deficit. If that’s the case, the Republicans should be grateful that there’s any deficit reduction being offered up at all.

    But whatever. Let’s not pretend this is anything other than what it is – Republicans, despite getting crushed in another election, seem to think that their strategy of obstruction and stubbornness worked out for them. They want the economy to be struggling in 2 years and in 4 years, so they’re going to prevent Obama from passing as much of his agenda as they can. If they do offer any support, it will only be for cuts in things like Social Security and Medicare. They don’t really care about cutting these programs because of their costs, they want Obama to agree to cutting those programs so they can use those cuts against the Democrats in the next few election cycles.

    Comment by Levi — December 3, 2012 @ 9:45 am - December 3, 2012

  21. Levi fails math again.

    It’s been made clear (looks facts getting in the way of LEvi’s lies, again) that there will be no spending cuts. Levi’s already said that deficit spending is fine. So why does he want to punish the rich while digging a deeper hole.

    Now hush Levi, the adults are talking.

    Comment by The_Livewire — December 3, 2012 @ 10:03 am - December 3, 2012

  22. Levi’s already documented his depth of incoherence when he simultaneously claimed that “Big Deficits Are Good in a Recession” but we absolutely must tax the productive to reduce the deficit.

    Comment by V the K — December 3, 2012 @ 10:50 am - December 3, 2012

  23. Speaking of the delusion that Deficits and Spending Are Good…

    http://reason.com/archives/2012/12/01/if-you-dont-think-spending-is-at-the-roo/singlepage

    Comment by V the K — December 3, 2012 @ 11:04 am - December 3, 2012

  24. Levi’s already documented his depth of incoherence when he simultaneously claimed that “Big Deficits Are Good in a Recession” but we absolutely must tax the productive to reduce the deficit.</blockq

    Deficits are never good. Sometimes deficits are necessary. Recessions like this one are when deficits are necessary. It is good to run a deficit in a recession because it helps you get out of the recession, not simply because deficits are good.

    And because deficits are never good, you try to avoid them as much as possible. But, if you're in a recession, and you are running a deficit to get out of the recession, then that deficit ought to be minimized. In our current situation, when rich people are richer than they've ever been and paying their lowest rates in decades, raising taxes on the rich is a suitable way of minimizing the deficit. Certainly, there are scenarios where the rich could be paying too much or just the right amount of taxes, and you would have to find ways to minimize deficits elsewhere. However, when Mitt Romney is paying a third the effective rate of most everybody else, that's clearly not the situation we're in.

    Comment by Levi — December 3, 2012 @ 11:58 am - December 3, 2012

  25. And thus we hit Levi’s entire belief right here:

    However, when Mitt Romney is paying a third the effective rate of most everybody else, that’s clearly not the situation we’re in.

    Waaqaaaahhhhhh!! Mitt Romney has more than me!!!!!!!! Daddy take his candy away from him!!!!!!!

    Now hush Levi, the adults are talking.

    Comment by The_Livewire — December 3, 2012 @ 12:13 pm - December 3, 2012

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