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  1. Writing is very therapeutic. The disaster of the November 6 election was a part of the reason I easily blew through the 50,000 word National Novel Writing month goal and wrote a 75,000 word novel in that 30 day period.

    We also have very different writing approaches. I outline extensively before I start, so I already know what the next chapter will be, and all the chapters, before I start.

    Comment by V the K — December 11, 2012 @ 4:34 am - December 11, 2012

  2. On Michigan: Because I grew up there, I have always been loyal to American-made cars. No more. Buying a car made by a UAW worker is like writing a check to the DNC.

    And that’s the real source of the vitriol against right-to-work. The unions are the cash cows of the Democrat party; union dues translating to both cash contributions to the Democrats and funding union efforts to elect Democrats at all levels. This is why Obama and the Democrats are so adamantly opposed to giving workers the freedom to decide not to join unions.

    Comment by V the K — December 11, 2012 @ 5:59 am - December 11, 2012

  3. Note also: Whenever Democrats try to pass new campaign finance restrictions, unions are conspicuously exempt.

    Comment by V the K — December 11, 2012 @ 6:08 am - December 11, 2012

  4. Not to mention you can still support American workers buying a car from something other than the big three. Toyota and Honda have several very successful US plants that employee US workers-just non UAW ones.

    And honestly when it comes to unions, I don’t think anyone should be forced to pay union dues if that union is going to support politicians who the worker wouldn’t support or vote for. Also, some unions employ some pretty thuggish tactics.

    Comment by Just Me — December 11, 2012 @ 8:51 am - December 11, 2012

  5. This is the “Community Organizer” coming out. This is Obama’s version of leadership. He wouldn’t understand true leadership if it was presented to him in a 12-part series on the History Channel.

    Comment by Leslie McIntire — December 11, 2012 @ 9:32 am - December 11, 2012

  6. We live in a time when companies are more profitable than ever, yet most middle class workers have seen stagnant wages. At the same time, executive pay has skyrocketed. These trends track almost perfectly with the decline of unions. Workers have no bargaining power, and low tax rates and special rules regarding executive compensation mean that the executives can direct all of the dividends towards their own bank accounts. That’s why CEO’s, regardless of their job performance, almost always walk away with million dollar bonuses.

    This is not good for the economy, despite conservative praise for all the jobs created by super-wealthy niche industries like caviar farms and private jet manufacturing. The middle class is the real engine for the economy, but union-busting has compromised their buying power.

    This thing in Michigan is bullshit, by the way, because of how it was rammed through the legislature. This is how Republicans get their way – not by convincing people, but by meeting behind closed doors and barring the public from seeing what it is they’re doing.

    Comment by Levi — December 11, 2012 @ 9:32 am - December 11, 2012

  7. These fascist union f-tards define “Democracy” as “forcing workers to join a union even if they don’t want to.”

    http://scoamf.us/4D

    Comment by V the K — December 11, 2012 @ 9:34 am - December 11, 2012

  8. Note, Levi does not give a crap when “middle class jobs” are eliminated by onerous leftist environmental and labor regulations. In fact, he applauds.

    Comment by V the K — December 11, 2012 @ 9:35 am - December 11, 2012

  9. *yawn* More Strawmen from the fascist.

    Comment by The_Livewire — December 11, 2012 @ 9:53 am - December 11, 2012

  10. At the same time, executive pay has skyrocketed.

    Together with union chiefs pay. They pay you peanuts to rally for them but their salaries and privileges are sky high

    Can you spell idiot? It is directed to you

    Comment by susan — December 11, 2012 @ 10:14 am - December 11, 2012

  11. Together with union chiefs pay. They pay you peanuts to rally for them but their salaries and privileges are sky high

    Can you spell idiot? It is directed to you

    Workers in states with right to work laws make considerably less than workers in states with collective bargaining. And that’s not just workers who are members of unions – it’s all workers.

    Comment by Levi — December 11, 2012 @ 10:25 am - December 11, 2012

  12. Actually, not surprisingly…

    Levi’s caught in another lie

    Consider a few top-line facts about right-to-work states. Private-sector employee compensation in right-to-work states has grown by an inflation-adjusted 12.0% between 2001-2011, according to data from the Bureau of Economic Analysis and Bureau of Labor Statistics. That compares with just 3.0% over the same period in states where workers can be forced to join a union as a condition of getting a job.

    Comment by The_Livewire — December 11, 2012 @ 10:38 am - December 11, 2012

  13. I was going to challenge Levi with “Links or it didn’t happen,” which is like showing a crucifix to a vampire, but Livewire already spanked him.

    Comment by V the K — December 11, 2012 @ 11:02 am - December 11, 2012

  14. Levi you do realize that this president and his EPA are about to create policies that are going to shut down the coal industry-killing many a union job.

    Also, have you ever looked at the salaries of union executives?

    Comment by Just Me — December 11, 2012 @ 11:45 am - December 11, 2012

  15. V, as to writing, actually I do outline as well, but not extensively. I know where the novel is going, but have not yet worked out the chapter divisions, know how the two main characters meet up and later how they separate and how each pursues the quest “assigned” to him.

    What is interesting though is that in the first book, I’m note quite sure how much of the background stuff I need get out in the first book.

    Comment by B. Daniel Blatt — December 11, 2012 @ 11:53 am - December 11, 2012

  16. Good luck on the novel. Between ADD and an erratic Mu- Squirrel!

    Er erratic muse, my writing is less frequent anymore.

    Comment by The_Livewire — December 11, 2012 @ 12:16 pm - December 11, 2012

  17. This is how Republicans Obamanauts get their way – not by convincing people, but by meeting behind closed doors and barring the public from seeing what it is they’re doing.

    What the Progressives are actually doing is Obamacare, no budgets since 2008, ruling from the Oval Office by imposing regulations, interim appointments while Congress is in session, deeming bills passed, etc.

    As to “right to work” laws: What is wrong with “choice” you intolerant bigot and little fascist? You love choice when it comes to killing babies. But you don’t love choice when it comes to unions.

    Now, it is well established that the little fascist is a moocher. But he is a little fascist moocher with principles, apparently. He doesn’t approve of moochers who get the benefits without joining and paying the union. But he is just fine with taking the entitlements without paying the taxes.

    We all know exactly what this little moocher fascist maggot is up to. He wants to dine freely on the rotting flesh of the payer class he has brought down by sucking their blood out of them.

    What a guy.

    Comment by heliotrope — December 11, 2012 @ 1:39 pm - December 11, 2012

  18. There was a video of union members taking down the Americans for Prosperity tent in Lansing. Whenever I see union people, I think of children that don’t get their way and have a temper tantrum. “But Mommy, I want a cookie noooooooowwwwww.”

    Their behavior and desire to lessen the First Amendment rights of those they don’t concur with is absurd. But liberals rarely act like grownups, do they?

    Comment by davinci — December 11, 2012 @ 1:56 pm - December 11, 2012

  19. Levi:

    And the other answer to your question about lower wages in right-to-work states is probably true, but is the cost of living there lower, thereby negating the lower wages? Just fuel for thought.

    Comment by davinci — December 11, 2012 @ 1:59 pm - December 11, 2012

  20. Here is a link to some tweets and video of the idiot union thugs tearing up a tent. Liberals-threaten violence, follow through on violence, but somehow the conservatives turn out the bad guys.

    http://twitchy.com/2012/12/11/new-tone-mich-democrat-threatens-violence-over-right-to-work-vote-there-will-be-blood/

    I would also add that tearing up that tent is a teeny act of vandalism. It is likely a felony given the fact that those tents don’t come cheaply (a smallish one runs 3,000 dollars and that one is likely in the 5 to 10k range.

    Any bets on whether the media ignores this one? My guess is the right to work side will be blamed for the violence.

    Comment by Just Me — December 11, 2012 @ 2:19 pm - December 11, 2012

  21. We live in a time when companies are more profitable than ever, yet most middle class workers have seen stagnant wages. At the same time, executive pay has skyrocketed. These trends track almost perfectly with the decline of unions.

    It’s a bull market, everybody!!!!

    Time to get into Wall Street. Companies are more profitable than ever! Huge dividends are bloating pension funds with excess capital. Middle class workers are enjoying 0% inflation, stable food and fuel prices and free top of the line healthcare where previous conditions mandates don’t cost every individual enrolled an additional $63.

    Step right up! Sell your stupid gold and get on the sky-rocket known as the stock market!!!! Don’t miss out on this golden (without the gold) opportunity.

    This is hope and change you can take to the bank.

    And, get this …… as unions metastasize, it will only get better!!!

    I heard it from an utterly ignorant little fascist who has his ear glued to The Won’s anal porthole.

    Comment by heliotrope — December 11, 2012 @ 2:25 pm - December 11, 2012

  22. While not, specifically, about the Community Organizer in Chief’s actions in MI, this article seems to tie in well:

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/hate_crime_legislation_back_do.html

    “Instead, he proposed what he called “partisan tolerance,” i.e. tolerating the views of those “repressed minorities” only — who Marcuse assumes share his partisan hatred for everything noncommunist — while actively muzzling the views of the majority. “

    Comment by AZ Mo in NYC — December 11, 2012 @ 2:27 pm - December 11, 2012

  23. The reason why Levi is adamantly opposed to worker choice and right to work is beautifully explained on this list.

    And what he is terrified of happening is right here.

    Wisconsin membership in the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees—the state’s second-largest public-sector union after the National Education Association, which represents teachers—fell to 28,745 in February from 62,818 in March 2011, according to a person who has viewed Afscme’s figures. A spokesman for Afscme declined to comment.

    Much of that decline came from Afscme Council 24, which represents Wisconsin state workers, whose membership plunged by two-thirds to 7,100 from 22,300 last year.

    A provision of the Walker law that eliminated automatic dues collection hurt union membership. When a public-sector contract expires the state now stops collecting dues from the affected workers’ paychecks unless they say they want the dues taken out, said Peter Davis, general counsel of the Wisconsin Employment Relations Commission.

    In short, when they are not forced to pay to keep their job, workers don’t think the union is worth the bite out of their paychecks.

    And without those forced union dues, the Obama Party cannot function; it depends on extorting money from peoples’ paychecks.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — December 11, 2012 @ 2:40 pm - December 11, 2012

  24. Actually, not surprisingly [The_Livewire and Levi can be right about different measures]”

    “As to “right to work” laws: What is wrong with “choice” [is that you get a free rider problem].”

    “but is the cost of living there lower, thereby negating the lower wages?” [good point; have to also include total compensation package]

    Comment by Passing By — December 11, 2012 @ 2:53 pm - December 11, 2012

  25. Ah yes, the Economic Policy Institute. No bias there.

    None at all.
    From the link.
    And have you ever taken a look at their board members? A few people to note:

    Richard Trumka (AFL-CIO), Chairman
    R. Thomas Buffenbarger (IAMAW)
    Larry Cohen (CWA)
    Leo W. Gerard (USWA)
    Joseph T. Hansen (UFCW)
    Mary Kay Henry (SEIU)
    Bob King (UAW)
    Gerald W. McEntee (AFSCME)
    Randi Weingarten (AFT)

    Comment by The_Livewire — December 11, 2012 @ 3:09 pm - December 11, 2012

  26. The city of Chicago is a progressive paradise. The state of Illinois recently jacked up taxes across the board by 66%. It has the strictest gun control laws in the country. It has one-party Democrat rule.

    So, why is it Luxury home construction in Chicago is up, but foreclosures are rampant in lower income areas. Why isn’t Levi’s socialist income redistribution scheme helping the poor at the expense of the “wealthy?”

    Comment by V the K — December 11, 2012 @ 3:09 pm - December 11, 2012

  27. Levi:

    And the other answer to your question about lower wages in right-to-work states is probably true, but is the cost of living there lower, thereby negating the lower wages? Just fuel for thought.

    It’s not just wages. Poverty rates, health insurance coverage, infant mortality rates, accidents/deaths on the job – all these things are higher in states with right-to-work laws.

    Right to work laws create low-paying jobs, which in turn lead to increased dependency on social programs. None of this should come as a surprise – right-to-work laws are best described as swinging leverage from workers to employers. And when employers have more leverage (and especially when workers have none) you can expect lower wages, unsafe conditions, etc. This should be intuitive.

    Comment by Levi — December 11, 2012 @ 4:55 pm - December 11, 2012

  28. Michigan approves right-to-work bills.

    Comment by Ignatius — December 11, 2012 @ 5:51 pm - December 11, 2012

  29. Levi is at least consistent in his fascism; always willing to force people into unions they don’t want to join because it’s what the Progressive Cult demands. He must be very proud of the violent thuggery in Lansing today.

    Comment by V the K — December 11, 2012 @ 6:33 pm - December 11, 2012

  30. Right to work laws create low-paying jobs, which in turn lead to increased dependency on social programs. None of this should come as a surprise – right-to-work laws are best described as swinging leverage from workers to employers. And when employers have more leverage (and especially when workers have none) you can expect lower wages, unsafe conditions, etc. This should be intuitive.

    Levi referencing what “should be intuitive” is like a wino at an AA meeting promoting the benefits of alcohol.

    This screed is from the Eugene V. Debs playbook. No facts are involved nor were any statistics consulted. It is all pure boiler plate and talking points. That is the only way Levi knows how to operate.

    If this crapola would be intuitive, the states with aircraft and automobile plants which are not unionized would be begging the unions to come in so that they could get people off the welfare rolls. Or something.

    I used to love going through the Ford Rouge plant and watch the cars being made back in the 50′s and 60′s. A guy would wait for the car to come by and he would grab a model name and tap it into place with a leather mallet. I dreamed of earning $17 an hour for that kind of work.

    But, then, Ford and the rest figured out how to have a robotic arm do that chore and never have to deal with a strike or sick leave or pensions or grievance procedures or robots goofing off or whatever. The welds were better and more certain. Sparks cascading on steel robots didn’t phase them. No eyes needed protection. Quality went way up and down time was minimal. Making things that attracted the EPA like a case of herpes was easily managed my having those items manufactured overseas where economies welcomed the work.

    When you drive past the huge GM Lorain plants on the Ohio Turnpike, you see a lot more available employee parking than you see cars filling the lots. Lots of union auto workers are redundant. They are there because the union has forced the auto company to keep people on the payroll that they have no need for. Featherbedding.

    What the real story Levi is ham-handedly avoiding telling is that in a service economy, you have to have some sort of minimal skill set. Pounding a model name into the holes of a car body is not rocket surgery, as Levi’s nemesis GW Bush might say. But getting a drive through fast food order straight and punching a few keys correctly is well beyond a lot of college graduates.

    So, the average Progressive thug is all for the union forcing hiring and tenure on the employer as a way to get and keep uncle stupid employed and his drool cup serviced.

    Hayek was very clear about the union/state marriage in his Road to Serfdom. We are now watching the joyride the taxpayers are given by SEIU and other government unions. Their pensions are killing the tax goose. All over California, localities are making choices between paying pensions and keeping basic services. Cops and firemen are in an uproar over being understaffed. We are seeing full timers getting as much as $100,000 a year in overtime alone.

    Comment by heliotrope — December 11, 2012 @ 6:37 pm - December 11, 2012

  31. As for the writing, Dan and Livewire, I have a especially promiscuous muse. I’ve begun outlining next year’s NaNoWriMo project (‘Terra Incognita’) and another story idea I had I’m calling ‘A Day to Remember.’ Both back in my normal, comfortable scifi genre.

    Comment by V the K — December 11, 2012 @ 6:39 pm - December 11, 2012

  32. continued…..

    A person with a million dollars in savings is by Levi’s definition a millionaire and therefore a greedy bastard who does not pay his fair share and should be taxed to the nines.

    That person with a million dollars in savings is right now lucky to get 2.4% interest return on the savings, which equals $24000 dollars a year of new money. If the guy is preserving the capital and trying to live off the interest, he is trying to live on $24,000 a year.

    Now a California teacher who retires at $90,000 per year is awarded a pension of $45,000 a year and there are no savings attached and the retiree is looked upon as some sort of deserving victim. Right. For the retiree’s lifetime, the state is paying the person roughly two times the amount a person with an investment of a million dollars can make.

    I suppose that the little fascist believes that the California retirement system has two million dollars carefully invested for each retiree to pay the pension until death.

    I suppose the little fascist is just fine with pricing automobiles and other products at whatever price is necessary in order to pay the pensions of retired workers. I suppose the little fascist is just fine trying to sell $1200 cell phones to cover the actual costs of manufacturing said cell phones in Illinois. And, I am sure the little fascist is well aware of the wide variety of US manufactured cell phones and knowledgeable about how competitive they would be in quality and price if there were any.

    Comment by heliotrope — December 11, 2012 @ 6:52 pm - December 11, 2012

  33. This thing in Michigan is bullshit, by the way, because of how it was rammed through the legislature. This is how Republicans get their way – not by convincing people, but by meeting behind closed doors and barring the public from seeing what it is they’re doing.

    You mean like Obamacare and DADT Repeal? Last time I checked legislators are still elected officials until their terms are up. They don’t suddenly lose their seats and their votes after Election Day. I’m willing to bet that you approved of how DADT Repeal was “rammed through” a lame-duck Congress, with a number of Democrats who were defeated just weeks earlier, but somehow this is supposedly different? How, exactly? Personally, I agreed with both: DADT Repeal and this Right-to-Work effort.

    Comment by JohnAGJ — December 11, 2012 @ 8:08 pm - December 11, 2012

  34. “As to “right to work” laws: What is wrong with “choice” [is that you get a free rider problem].”

    So what? That is a problem for unions to resolve with better recruitment, not the job of government to step in and play enforcement officer for them. Unions are not entitled to have the force of law to make themselves stronger. Your rights do not trump mine or anyone else’s.

    Comment by JohnAGJ — December 11, 2012 @ 8:16 pm - December 11, 2012

  35. “A person with a million dollar [income] is by Levi’s definition a millionaire … who does not pay his fair share and should be taxed to the nines.”

    “[A] person with a million dollars in savings is right now lucky to get 2.4% interest return on the savings, which equals $24000 dollars a year of new money. If the guy is preserving the capital and trying to live off the interest, he is trying to live on $24,000 a year [plus the Social Security benefits he receives, if he is not a CA schoolteacher].”

    “Now a California teacher who retires at $90,000 per year is awarded a pension of $45,000 a year [based on CalSTRS members contributing 8 percent of their monthly pay with Employers kicking in 8.25 percent of monthly pay, the state contributes a little more than 2 percent] and there are no savings attached and the retiree is looked upon as some sort of deserving victim [because they do not pay in FICA and are not entitled to SS benefits when they retire]. Right. For the retiree’s lifetime, the state is paying the person [a return on their invested superannuation and matched funds managed by the CalSTRS. The question remains, of course, whether they can do so at a sustainable rate].”

    Comment by Passing By — December 11, 2012 @ 8:17 pm - December 11, 2012

  36. <blockquote>This is why Obama and the Democrats are so adamantly opposed to giving workers the freedom to decide not to join unions.</blockquote>
    And the unions are, of course, adamantly opposed to that because it means they lose their power.  They have a lot of control over things how they are now.  People say that the government is in bed with the corporations, which, while true, isn’t quite as true as it is true that the government is in bed with the unions.

    Comment by Rattlesnake — December 11, 2012 @ 11:01 pm - December 11, 2012

  37. And that’s not just workers who are members of unions – it’s all workers.
    What about when worker’s pay is slashed so the unions can get raises? My partner’s pay was cut so that the GREED of the Teamsters could be fed. They were told they would get their money back the following year. That was 3 years ago. Why should people have to do without so that the GREEDY unionistas?
     
    I worked at an IBEW shop once. We made the same pay and had the same benefits as the union members. The difference? They could take breaks and lunch whenever they wanted and for as long as they wanted. One guy who worked next to me often did as little as 10 minutes of actual work a day. Meanwhile, the rest of us worked full shifts.

    Comment by TGC — December 12, 2012 @ 12:24 am - December 12, 2012

  38. Passing Gas:

    And your point is?

    Comment by heliotrope — December 12, 2012 @ 9:30 am - December 12, 2012

  39. For those who think Passing Gas might have two brain cells to rub together, let me explain his gelatinous thinking:

    Passing Gas wants us to know (in reference to my comments @ #32) that:

    [based on CalSTRS members contributing 8 percent of their monthly pay with Employers kicking in 8.25 percent of monthly pay, the state contributes a little more than 2 percent]

    Ahem. The employee does not pay FICA, so the 8% “contribution” is a wash. Secondly, the “employer” is the taxpayer as is the 2% kicked in by the government. Is that clear? Isn’t it also clear that the “employer” is not matching the non existent employer FICA contribution? Figures don’t lie, its the lairs who do the figures.

    Secondly, Passing Gas supports my points in contradiction to his AWOL critical thinking whine that:

    [because they do not pay in FICA and are not entitled to SS benefits when they retire].

    Then Passing Gas fizzles away with my entire point substantiated:

    [a return on their invested superannuation and matched funds managed by the CalSTRS. The question remains, of course, whether they can do so at a sustainable rate].”

    DUH !!!! Does the California fund have the millions set aside and dedicated to each pensioner to insure their contract with the pensioner?

    No.they.do.not. They are running the same type of Ponzi scheme that Social Security is using. California decided they could retire their people at the Cadillac level and with that includes Cadillac heath care instead of Medicare as well.

    California is a socialist state in miniature (but hardly that small since it is larger than France in terms of budget) that is the bellwether for Obamacare and all the socialism clap-trap being sold down the pike.

    California, New York, Illinois, New Jersey and others are depending on the bankrupt US government to bail them out of their house of straw.

    So, I ask again of Passing Gas, what is your point?

    As an aside, the California retirement system clowns bought up some retirement homes in Florida to capture the profits which were fairly substantial. Then they discovered they didn’t know jack about running such businesses. So they hired consultants and management firms and they lost their shirts. Then they sold at a deep loss because they damaged the reputations of the properties and skunked away. Meanwhile, the patrons of the retirement facilities got tired of the downgraded service, food, amenities and word spread and sales plummeted and people moved elsewhere.

    That is the way of state planned economies. They make decisions like the Chevy Volt and Solyndra and passing funds through to unions in order to skim off campaign contributions in return.

    Passing Gas is totally blind to how Chicago and all machine politics works. When you hand over pension funds to be run by the state, you get political hacks doing the oversight that a squirrel on Meth would handle more honestly.

    Now Passing Gas is going to be shocked!, Shocked!, I tell you, to learn that California has “invested” its pension funds in infrastructure and running the state. Maybe they studied the success of Freddie Mac.

    Maybe Moonbeam Brown can spell it all out with his Tarot cards. Maybe the Mad Hatter could come for tea. Maybe Passing Gas is getting special communication through his fillings or his tinfoil hat. Maybe the California Department of Alchemy is about to hit it big. Maybe everybody in NYC will be anorexic after the Bloomberg 16 ounce rule hits the Big Apple.

    One more major point that Passing Gas bumbled: Social Security allotments are subject to income taxation. Meager as my Social Security payments are, the government takes nearly 40% of them back in income tax. That was not the agreement when I was forced into the system at the point of a gun.

    So, Passing Gas, lets not chit chat about Social Security as any sort of equivalence to the $24,000 of taxable interest income the guy with his own $1,000,000 invested is able to use and live on. You still hate him for having “contributed” $1,000,000 to his savings instead of having it taxed away from him and pissed away into the wind by politicians buying votes.

    You, sir, are one piece of work.

    Comment by heliotrope — December 12, 2012 @ 12:28 pm - December 12, 2012

  40. heliotrope just to add to your cluster bomb of facts,

    Actually they are eligible for Medicare A, and can be eligble for Medicare B if they spend a certain amount of time in the real world private sector.

    Also if CalPERS (like OPERS) provides Rx Coverage through their retirement benefits, CalPERS receives money from the federal government for the part D they’re covering.

    (Standard disclaimer applies)

    Why do our lib trolls love ignoring facts?

    Comment by The_Livewire — December 12, 2012 @ 2:42 pm - December 12, 2012

  41. The_Livewire, I was only slightly aware of the double insurance of California retirees. I am hardly surprised that they can double dip. What Obamacare will do for or two them will be interesting. Meanwhile, California has at least one prison psychiatrist making over $900,000 a year. Where but in California (or New York or Illinois or New Jersey)?

    Comment by heliotrope — December 12, 2012 @ 4:19 pm - December 12, 2012

  42. Wonder how much California could save if it just capped public pensions at, say, $52K per year?

    Comment by V the K — December 12, 2012 @ 6:52 pm - December 12, 2012

  43. “And your point is?”

    Comment by Passing By — December 13, 2012 @ 12:24 am - December 13, 2012

  44. @heliotrope

    One of the perks of having a mom in OPERS and working with the system for 10+ years. I know quite a bit on how it works.

    And don’t forget they can ‘retire’ then come back in the same job.

    Comment by The_Livewire — December 13, 2012 @ 7:54 am - December 13, 2012

  45. Passing Gas,

    Well, knock me over with a feather. I never expected you to understand that you were engaging in in complete flummery. Congratulations on conceding the argument. You brain cells might just be healing up a bit.

    Comment by heliotrope — December 13, 2012 @ 1:05 pm - December 13, 2012

  46. [Heliotroppo], “[w]ell, knock me over with a feather. I never expected you to understand that you were engaging in in complete flummery. Congratulations on conceding the argument.” :)

    Comment by Passing By — December 13, 2012 @ 3:11 pm - December 13, 2012

  47. How is it someone can so vehemently cling to a lack of facts?

    Comment by The_Livewire — December 13, 2012 @ 4:11 pm - December 13, 2012

  48. The_Livewire,

    When one has a lack of facts on his side, one can always try imitation as a sincere form of flattery or, failing that, one can count the bubbles in his drool cup.

    Passing Gas has now demonstrated that he has no point to make and that he can only wave in the general direction of the shelves holding the books which he can’t read as being the possible neighborhood where someone with critical thinking skills might be able to bail him out, if anyone were the least bit interested and so inclined.

    He is sitting in a bottom wrecked canoe on the creek bed thinking he would be better off if he had a paddle. Since the water is only two inches deep and the Spring floods are a long way off, perhaps he should just abandon ship and slog up the muddy bank and head for home.

    Comment by heliotrope — December 13, 2012 @ 7:29 pm - December 13, 2012

  49. “[Heliotroppo] has now demonstrated that he [cannot handle being called on making a poor and cherry picked argument] … and that he can only wave in the general direction of the shelves holding the [facts the lack of which make for his underdone comparison in #32]; …

    He [is reduced to insults and "flummery"]. … perhaps he should just … slog up the muddy bank and head for home.”

    Comment by Passing By — December 14, 2012 @ 2:19 am - December 14, 2012

  50. #24: “As to ‘right to work’ laws: What is wrong with ‘choice’ [is that you get a free rider problem].”

    And as we all know, there’s nothing leftists like Passing By oppose more vigorously than individuals receiving benefits and services without ever having contributed to the systems that provide them. Yeah, liberals hate that.

    Am I the only one that hears a laugh track every time a liberal expresses concern about ‘a free rider problem’?

    Comment by Sean A — December 14, 2012 @ 7:46 am - December 14, 2012

  51. (sock reset)

    Comment by V the K — December 18, 2012 @ 8:48 am - December 18, 2012

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