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  1. I think part of the problem is most liberals don’t even know what facism is.

    The Wholefoods CEO is right, but then liberals believe there are magical money unicorns (eg the rich) that allow them to pay for everything they want.

    The truth hurts and the liberals don’t want to believe their messiah is promoting fascism (but then they have been taught that conservatives are the promoters of fascism).

    Comment by Just Me — January 18, 2013 @ 2:02 pm - January 18, 2013

  2. Yeah. The average leftie defines fascism the same way they define racism: “Whatever it needs to be, so that I can hurl it as an epithet.”

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — January 18, 2013 @ 2:14 pm - January 18, 2013

  3. In fact, it won’t surprise me if some lefties start referring to Mackey as a fascist.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — January 18, 2013 @ 2:25 pm - January 18, 2013

  4. ILC. Have you had a chance to read
    Conscious Capitalism: Liberating the Heroic Spirit of Business by Mackey?

    Comment by rusty — January 18, 2013 @ 2:31 pm - January 18, 2013

  5. Interesting, the MFM seem outraged by the lies of Lance Armstrong; but the lies of Barack Obama and Bill Clinton seemed to have bothered them… not in the least.

    It’s almost like they are sycophantic enablers of the Democrat Party or something.

    Comment by V the K — January 18, 2013 @ 2:51 pm - January 18, 2013

  6. ILC, do you get the G-file? He touches on this too.

    Comment by The_Livewire — January 18, 2013 @ 3:02 pm - January 18, 2013

  7. One has to wonder what “pressures” where applied to Mr. Mackey to force him to recant his honest appraisal of the situation.
    – His own board?
    – The Unions on the behest of the Admin.?
    – Various regulatory organs of State?
    – Threats?

    Comment by Ted B. (Charging Rhino) — January 18, 2013 @ 3:19 pm - January 18, 2013

  8. What’s needed, Mackey and coauthor Raj Sisodia write, is a refocusing of how business measures value. Mackey and Sisodia call their solution conscious capitalism. At the core of their business philosophy is that value isn’t just about buying low and selling high. It comes primarily from relationships between stakeholders in a business; consumers, employees, investors — everyone involved.

    Perhaps Mackey’s most intriguing argument is that aligning a business with conscious capitalism doesn’t have to compromise traditional measures of success. His examples of well-run companies include Google Inc., Amazon.com Inc., Trader Joe’s Co. and Starbucks Corp. – commonly mentioned as some of the most successful companies of the past five years.
    And ultimately, that leads to the most powerful part of Mackey’s message: running a wholesome business doesn’t mean your business has to cut back on profitability. Doing the right thing pays, Mackey writes.
    Need proof? Just check Whole Foods’ last earnings report. It finished its last fiscal year with a $465 million profit.

    http://www.bizjournals.com/austin/blog/at-the-watercooler/2013/01/can-john-mackey-and-whole-foods-remake.html

    Comment by rusty — January 18, 2013 @ 3:27 pm - January 18, 2013

  9. Hey rusty – No, I’ll have to look for that one!

    TL – New to me, do you have a link?

    Ted – Yes, one has to wonder. I don’t know anything here, but I should imagine that an outcry along the lines of “How dare you call Obamacare fascist! I’m never shopping at Whole Foods again!” led WF board members to tell Mackey, come on, do we really need *this* controversy? And from a shareholder standpoint, they’d be right. Hence my mixed feelings, and the post’s title: speaking honestly in our new century is, perhaps, trickier (or more dangerous) than it ought to be.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — January 18, 2013 @ 3:34 pm - January 18, 2013

  10. running a wholesome business doesn’t mean your business has to cut back on profitability. Doing the right thing pays, Mackey writes.

    I see. Mackey advocates what, in the olden days, they called plain “capitalism” ;-) Doing right by one’s customers (and employees, and sharedholders) has always been a good business plan; doing wrong by them has never been.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — January 18, 2013 @ 3:39 pm - January 18, 2013

  11. the MFM seem outraged by the lies of Lance Armstrong; but the lies of Barack Obama and Bill Clinton seemed to have bothered them… not in the least.

    Yeah. Armstrong lied for all the wrong reasons… but political power (the ability to lord it over his fellow citizens) wasn’t one of them, at least.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — January 18, 2013 @ 5:09 pm - January 18, 2013

  12. Speaking of honesty, check out the reactions of these Obama voters to his second inaugural speech:

    http://www.therightsphere.com/2013/01/wanna-guess-who-these-idiots-voted-for/

    Comment by V the K — January 18, 2013 @ 5:34 pm - January 18, 2013

  13. I love it when socialists and progressives get their panties in a bunch over John Mackay.

    Comment by Niall — January 18, 2013 @ 6:19 pm - January 18, 2013

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    GOProud Backs Civil Marriage For Gay Couples

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    Comment by rjligier — January 18, 2013 @ 6:34 pm - January 18, 2013

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    Comment by rusty — January 18, 2013 @ 8:37 pm - January 18, 2013

  16. :)

    Comment by rusty — January 18, 2013 @ 8:45 pm - January 18, 2013

  17. Speaking of honesty, remember how the partisan hacks at Politifact labeled Mitt Romney’s ad stating that Chrysler was going to produce Jeeps in China “Lie of the Year.” Well, turns out Mitt Romney was 100% accurate and the lying political hacks at Politifact are lying political hacks.

    Comment by V the K — January 18, 2013 @ 11:25 pm - January 18, 2013

  18. Socialism by appropriation and socialism by regulation have similar outcomes: you don’t really own what you seem to own. The latter was, I believe, the preferred mode for National Socialism.

    Comment by EssEm — January 19, 2013 @ 11:48 am - January 19, 2013

  19. Check this out: A CNN “Journalist” has written Obama a letter every day since he was elected. Sheesh, and I thought Levi was an obsessed cultist.

    Comment by V the K — January 19, 2013 @ 1:55 pm - January 19, 2013

  20. I don’t know much about Mackey (although I’m going to look up that book reference above). But I really liked his honest discussion about this. I’m so glad to see a CEO make an simple, intelligent argument for freedom from over-regulation that also reflects a corporation having values beyond just making wall street happy with numbers. And he walks the talk, which I love.

    Mackey outlined what he stood for in a few sentences in a clear, non-confrontational way, IMHO. It’s a stark contrast to the Koch brothers have been desperately trying to convince people (and spending billions in the process) they stand for. Perhaps they should talk to him.

    Mackey’s “former” customers (the people I have read are complaining about his position) are idiots. Whole Foods is doing more to encourage responsible food production and eating than all their posturing will ever do. I don’t shop at Whole Foods because I have a preferred supermarket chain that is much more convenient to me, but I do pop in there once in a while.

    Comment by Neptune — January 21, 2013 @ 12:31 pm - January 21, 2013

  21. Mackey outlined what he stood for in a few sentences in a clear, non-confrontational way, IMHO. It’s a stark contrast to the Koch brothers have been desperately trying to convince people (and spending billions in the process) they stand for. Perhaps they should talk to him.

    Comment by Neptune — January 21, 2013 @ 12:31 pm – January 21, 2013

    Yeah, billions.

    Now, Neptune, can we assume that you put the same level of careful and intelligent research into your other statements here as you clearly don’t into your demonization of the Kochs?

    What we see here is what the Barack Obama Party has figured out: there are a whole cadre of ignorant, low-information voters who, thanks to envy and jealousy, will believe anything nasty said about “the rich” and who are not about to actually research or look up information about what they’re told.

    I suggest you research the Kochs, Neptune. Perhaps you can explain to us why they don’t deserve their money and should be demonized to the extent that the Barack Obama Party has.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — January 21, 2013 @ 5:25 pm - January 21, 2013

  22. ILC, i forwarded you that G-file. :-)

    Comment by The_Livewire — January 21, 2013 @ 6:24 pm - January 21, 2013

  23. NDT, I happily stand corrected on the amount, and I fully admit I wasn’t interested in looking it up.

    My point isn’t really about the amount of money they spend or who deserves what, though people who work for their money deserve their money and that includes the Koch brothers.* Let me try to put it a different way. I was thinking about perception. (I think maybe that’s the best way to say it.) I think the Kochs have legitimate positions – and I agree with a lot of their economic positions, from what I recall reading. But I guess what I’m trying to say is that I think their problem is that they act and sound like spoiled billionaires. And that isn’t going to convince struggling middle America that those economic policies are good for them. To the average worker, they just sound like spoiled rich kids who want more money while the middle class contracts. Obviously the legacy media certainly is no help.

    In contrast, what I like about what Mackey’s that he makes a great, clear point to people in a simple way. That’s good for perception. Mackey’s statement is capable of reaching low information voters easily. And he didn’t have to spend millions – or even thousands – in advertising to say it.

    (* FWIW, I do know some about Koch Industries / the brothers, and I know some great brands are affiliated with their companies. I was curious about who they were when I started reading about them during the election cycle, so I venture to guess that I know more about them than the average leftie voter.)

    Comment by Neptune — January 21, 2013 @ 6:28 pm - January 21, 2013

  24. But I guess what I’m trying to say is that I think their problem is that they act and sound like spoiled billionaires. And that isn’t going to convince struggling middle America that those economic policies are good for them. To the average worker, they just sound like spoiled rich kids who want more money while the middle class contracts.

    Comment by Neptune — January 21, 2013 @ 6:28 pm – January 21, 2013

    Oh, I see.

    But people who refuse to pay what they already owe, skip out on the luxury taxes that they demand be imposed on everyone else, and take welfare money for four Manhattan apartments and their Dominican villa while demanding that taxes be raised on working people are just super-geniuses who should be put in charge of everything.

    Once again, what we see here is what the Barack Obama Party has figured out: there are a whole cadre of ignorant, low-information voters who, thanks to envy and jealousy, will believe anything nasty said about “the rich” and who are not about to actually research or look up information about what they’re told.

    And now, as we’re seeing with you, Neptune, here are a whole cadre of voters who know what the left is saying about the Kochs are malicious lies, but then still turn around and blame the Kochs anyway.

    So I want to understand that motivation. You CLAIM to support free enterprise and fair play, but all you can do is repeat the lies of Obama and the Obama Party about the Kochs. Since you clearly don’t respect decency and working for a living, Neptune, what exactly is it that you DO consider important? Why do you bash the Kochs and repeat Obama’s lies and smears about them?

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — January 21, 2013 @ 10:16 pm - January 21, 2013

  25. Socialism by appropriation and socialism by regulation have similar outcomes: you don’t really own what you seem to own.

    That’s exactly it. Thank you.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — January 21, 2013 @ 11:21 pm - January 21, 2013

  26. NDT, I’m not repeating any lies about the Kochs. Or that was not my intent anyway. Maybe it came across that way to you. I guess what I was hoping to do was communicate that I understand why their public perception is negative – in large part due to half truths and deceptive political marketing, aided by the media. Understanding it and agreeing with it are two different things. Perhaps you disagree in some way, but I would ask that you consider taking my comments at face value and not imbue them with whatever animus you believe some people have (and that some people most certainly do as we know) against the Kochs or anyone else.

    The second part of what I’m trying to say is that I think Mackey did a much better job of taking the wind out of opponents’ sails. I think Mackey successfully used that “walk back” of his comment in a powerful way that hopefully proponents of conservative economic policies will learn from. It was magnificent in it’s simplicity and clarity, and we could use much more of that in our national dialogue.

    Then again, perhaps I’m just seeing something different in Mackey’s exchange with the media because I like his company and his corporate leadership and because I agree with him.

    And with all due respect, NDT, please don’t claim that I have “no respect for decency and hard work” when you know nothing about me other than a conclusion you have chosen to jump to. I know little about you, but I am certainly attempting to extend you the courtesy of not assuming I know what you be believe or respect. If I have ever done so before, then the error is mine. I would be happy to entertain your questions on what I think about any of those things were you so inclined to have a dialogue.

    Comment by Neptune — January 22, 2013 @ 12:09 am - January 22, 2013

  27. I guess what I was hoping to do was communicate that I understand why their public perception is negative – in large part due to half truths and deceptive political marketing, aided by the media. Understanding it and agreeing with it are two different things.

    Well, of course you agree with it, Neptune. That’s obvious.

    After all, even though you admit the media is lying, you admit the Obama Party is smearing them, you admit that the left is being deliberately deceptive about them……..you’re insisting that the Kochs need to change their behavior.

    Again. You are attacking the decent and respectable Kochs because Obama, the Obama Party, and the media are telling deliberate and malicious lies about them.

    And you communicated a hell of a lot. You’ve made it clear you won’t call out lies from Obama. You’ve made it clear you won’t call out lies from the media. You’ve made it clear you won’t even research the malicious smears that the media is making about conservatives, and instead will start ranting and complaining that conservatives need to change their behavior.

    And that made this hilarious.

    And with all due respect, NDT, please don’t claim that I have “no respect for decency and hard work” when you know nothing about me other than a conclusion you have chosen to jump to.

    I will extend to you exactly the same level of courtesy and research in public statements that you did to the Kochs.

    Which is, as you admit, none:

    NDT, I happily stand corrected on the amount, and I fully admit I wasn’t interested in looking it up.

    Comment by Neptune — January 21, 2013 @ 6:28 pm – January 21, 2013

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — January 22, 2013 @ 3:05 pm - January 22, 2013

  28. I understand better what you’re saying, NDT. But you know, sometimes one can go back and read what one (me, in this case) thought was an illustrative characterization with no ill-intent, and recognize that it can be read as invective. There is rhetorical hyperbole of course (the billions reference for example :)). The limits of brief, on-the-fly commentary as opposed to long-form essays on the topic, you know? So hey, I can see your point. I assure you that was not my intent. Of course you’re welcome to come to any conclusion you wish based on your reading.

    Comment by Neptune — January 22, 2013 @ 4:54 pm - January 22, 2013

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