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  1. If gun control is his goal, he chose the most effective way to enact it.

    Comment by Ignatius — February 7, 2013 @ 6:36 pm - February 7, 2013

  2. Yeah… and I still haven’t figured that part out. Did he commit his murders, at least in some part, as an advertisement *for* gun control?

    *IF* he did, that would show him as basically crazy. And that, in turn, would tend to highlight the basic craziness of the Obama-Biden position on gun control: that, because of the bad actions of people who are crazy (or criminal, etc.), guns must be taken away from people who aren’t.

    It threatens to complicate the push for gun control. So the left-wing or pro-gun control media try to ignore it.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — February 7, 2013 @ 7:42 pm - February 7, 2013

  3. I can’t help noticing that our crack “mainstream”media is all over this.

    /sarc

    Comment by Bastiat Fan — February 7, 2013 @ 7:58 pm - February 7, 2013

  4. BF – They seem to be talking up his military background. I guess that fits the “guns are an imminent threat to YOU!” narrative, better.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — February 7, 2013 @ 9:01 pm - February 7, 2013

  5. Can we start by taking the weapons away from the trigger-happy LAPD…who swiss-cheesed two innocent motorists’ truck…while they were still in it….as they were delivered newspapers.

    Now there’s irony, …the LAPD shooting the messengers.

    Comment by Ted B. (Charging Rhino) — February 7, 2013 @ 9:07 pm - February 7, 2013

  6. Dorner’s “manifesto” is pathetic. He is committing suicide by the cops he doesn’t kill first.

    That said, his bestowing of praise on those he fancies is evidence of how creepy and narcissistic this loser is.

    It will be interesting to learn how the progressives spin this.

    Comment by heliotrope — February 7, 2013 @ 9:13 pm - February 7, 2013

  7. You’ve got to see it to believe it, heliotrope…
    http://www.advocate.com/crime/2013/02/07/ex-cop-accused-killing-spree-left-messages-anderson-cooper-ellen-degeneres

    Comment by Douglas — February 7, 2013 @ 10:25 pm - February 7, 2013

  8. To their credit, at least they admit he’s rambling…

    Comment by Douglas — February 7, 2013 @ 10:31 pm - February 7, 2013

  9. And to their credit (or slightly disproving my thesis here), they show both sides of his politics.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — February 7, 2013 @ 10:45 pm - February 7, 2013

  10. Gee, I thought we were all supposed to be safer when cops were the only people allowed to have guns.

    Comment by V the K — February 7, 2013 @ 10:57 pm - February 7, 2013

  11. Gee, I thought we were all supposed to be safer when cops were the only people allowed to have guns.

    Especially “military-style assault weapons.”

    Comment by Bastiat Fan — February 7, 2013 @ 11:09 pm - February 7, 2013

  12. I thought liberals preferred bombs.

    Comment by Paul — February 8, 2013 @ 3:36 am - February 8, 2013

  13. Nope, they save bombs for children who weren’t raised right.

    (speaking of bombs and children, anyone notice our trolls are being awful quiet?)

    Comment by The_Livewire — February 8, 2013 @ 7:41 am - February 8, 2013

  14. I thought of photoshopping one of those milk cartons, “Still Missing: Lost Child Levi”.

    Comment by Jeff (ILoveCapitalism) — February 8, 2013 @ 10:00 am - February 8, 2013

  15. (speaking of bombs and children, anyone notice our trolls are being awful quiet?)

    As much as I’d like to believe they might actually have a sense of shame, it’s more likely they just haven’t gotten their “talking points” email from the Center for American Progress or Organizing for America.

    Comment by Bastiat Fan — February 8, 2013 @ 11:09 am - February 8, 2013

  16. ILC, please don’t. It would be just awful if someone found him.

    Comment by V the K — February 8, 2013 @ 11:57 am - February 8, 2013

  17. [...] his post yesterday about the Los Angeles shooter, Jeff pointed out the noteworthy lamestream media silence on certain key elements of the shooter&#821….  Indeed, as Noah Rothman notes today at Mediaite: When crazed shooters can’t be linked to [...]

    Pingback by GayPatriot » Our Agenda-Driven Press Corps — February 9, 2013 @ 12:08 am - February 9, 2013

  18. They won’t cover the story as much because the perpetrator is black and liberal, and that goes against their notion that only conservative white people are whack jobs.

    Comment by davinci — February 9, 2013 @ 10:50 am - February 9, 2013

  19. Just saw that Mr. Dorner has now been branded a DomTer (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/02/10/ex-cop-manhunt-continues/1906999/). Now we can safely deal with this imminent threat via an armed unmanned drone without needless time wasters such as Due Process.

    Comment by Sathar — February 10, 2013 @ 10:23 pm - February 10, 2013

  20. fdsa

    Comment by oldjoe — February 11, 2013 @ 11:05 am - February 11, 2013

  21. The trolls have been quiet. I’ve been busy at work, so sorry I can’t troll as of late. As for Levi though, he and I have exchanged a few emails. I enjoyed his style of writing and thought he was very cerebral compared to everyone else on this site, so I contacted him.

    Sad to say, it appears he has been banned from Gay Patriots. He can no longer post from his IP address at his home or office. I haven’t been trolling here for long, but one of my first posts was about liberal echo chambers (to which my reply was, “you’re doing it too”). Now the prominent liberal on this site has been banned. It’s fun watching conservatism self-destruct because they are anti-intellectual. Now that Levi is gone, I probably won’t even bother to tune in occasionally and watch you guys circle-jerk each other.

    Comment by Aaron — February 11, 2013 @ 3:53 pm - February 11, 2013

  22. it appears he has been banned

    Aaron – You shouldn’t automatically believe whatever Levi tells you. I know of no, repeat NO such ban at this time. I shall look into it further, and report back.

    As for the rest of your insulting comment, Aaron, you are welcome to take a leap. (But that is not a ban; you are NOT banned.)

    Comment by Jeff (ILoveCapitalism) — February 12, 2013 @ 4:24 pm - February 12, 2013

  23. Mr. Dorner has now been branded a Dom[estic]Ter[rorist]

    Thus further watering down the meaning of “terrorist”. Lefties mis-use words/concepts whenever possible, by a sort of instinct, so that over time, they can confuse the meanings of things more and get away with more.

    Comment by Jeff (ILoveCapitalism) — February 12, 2013 @ 4:37 pm - February 12, 2013

  24. Update – Now I have been informed that Levi was, unofficially but effectively, banned. It wasn’t my action, that’s all I have to say about it.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — February 12, 2013 @ 7:33 pm - February 12, 2013

  25. Aaron,
    “one of my first posts was about liberal echo chambers (to which my reply was, “you’re doing it too”). Now the prominent liberal on this site has been banned. It’s fun watching conservatism self-destruct because they are anti-intellectual.”

    [I thought your original claim in an earlier post was a thoughtful and lucid insight. I hope you stay and share your thoughts. This site needs voices like yours--without such voices, this site becomes nothing but a rather large echo chamber. Sorry to hear Levi was banned--especially given the sustained and high levels of crap Levi got for sharing his ideas, from some conservative posters here. It would appear to be a rather one-sided and hypocritical action on management's part].

    Comment by Passing By — February 13, 2013 @ 12:52 am - February 13, 2013

  26. Cass and Aaron:

    Now the prominent liberal on this site has been banned. It’s fun watching conservatism self-destruct because they are anti-intellectual.”

    I don’t have any idea of what “effectively banned” means, but I do know that endless quibbling over what the meaning of “is” is hogs the limelight and goes nowhere fast.

    Look, I, more than any other person here, get into the nitty-gritty back and forth when this game is being played. When a troll comes here to toss in a comment that it is loaded with innuendo, biased opinion and a paucity of facts there are only two possible roads open: 1.) ignore it and move on or 2.) engage the foolishness.

    What benefit accrues from taking the time to engage foolishness? It may never be enlightening to the troll, but others and even the person responding may learn from the exercise.

    As for Levi though, he and I have exchanged a few emails. I enjoyed his style of writing and thought he was very cerebral compared to everyone else on this site, so I contacted him.

    Really? If Levi is “very cerebral compared to everyone else on this site,” why would you spend any time reading the babble of dummies or mediocre bozos like us? Just email Levi and have a grand old cerebral time one on one.

    Cas and Levi have often caused threads to run into a hundred and up to two hundred comments as they shift the topic, ignore facts, proclaim universal (to them) truths and reveal the missing facts of the great enigmas.

    This site is supposedly an “echo chamber.” Well, just bring logic, facts and critical thinking to the site and try it out using those tools. You “trolls” apparently do not agree with the beliefs expressed here, so isn’t your responsibility to correct the record and make your case?

    One of the reasons that “trolls” don’t hang around is because they can’t “win” by playing their games. It is not hard to do Code Pink type stunts. But it is very different to lay out a thesis, support it and offer a conclusion. In an honest debate, you don’t attack the person, you develop the thesis. When you develop the thesis, you don’t shift the topic or ignore facts. You don’t give reading assignments. You don’t high-jack the thread. You don’t play childish games that are unworthy of being “very cerebral.”

    This is not my house. As a regular guest, I expect to be told from time to time to straighten up if I start putting my feet on the furniture. So should you be able to take instruction when the rules of the house are at issue.

    I was given a self-inking stamp recently which prints capital letters in red ink: WTF? Every teacher would love to have one of these beauties in the drawer knowing it is there, but can never be used.

    Many “troll” comments deserve to have parts circled in red ink with a line to the margin where the WTF? stamp has been used.

    Try a bit of clarity backed by a thesis statement and further backed up with reason that can be tested and see what happens. You might find an ounce of cerebral stimulation.

    Comment by heliotrope — February 13, 2013 @ 12:50 pm - February 13, 2013

  27. Heliotrope,
    If I sign in as Passing By, please use that handle.

    As for innuendo–nope. It was a clear and precise charge. This site does not appear to be even handed. I don’t expect it to be–home court advantage and all; but I also don’t expect you to tell me to be sensitive to the feeling of others, when you are someone who is quite capable of getting “down and rowdy”, whilst being guilty of the very things you admonish “trolls” to avoid, on a regular basis. It may well be that Levi did something heinous to deserve being banned–but what that might be–from the recent record–I have no idea–given the tons of crap he regularly got from those on “the other side” of the debate. I agree that Levi did not always make his points with great subtlety, but what exactly did he do to deserve being banned–”informally but effectively”?

    You say: Follow the rules of the house–OK, big guy, what rules did Levi break, exactly? Inquiring minds want to know. In the absence of transparency regarding the cause, what exactly stops the same from happening to any other LIBERAL or PROGRESSIVE commentator? I have seen lots of stuff from the “other side” that would be the basis for banning at other websites, but not here. It appears to me that there are TWO sets of house rules, Heliotrope, not the ONE you suggest. And that is not innuendo.

    Comment by Passing By — February 13, 2013 @ 9:46 pm - February 13, 2013

  28. If I sign in as Passing By, please use that handle.

    Or Cas-hole – since it fit so well on the first go ’round.
    If you’re so concerned about the proper way to run a blog, then why don’t you stick to administering your’s?
    Sorry, rhetorical question: because no one bothers to read it, that’s why.
    You really are like a cancer, just as I described you so many months ago. I ran you off then, and now you’re back to infect the blog yet again under the cheap moniker ‘Passing By’ (you must be walking in circles, because you keep finding your way back here).
    Show some integrity and ‘stay gone’ as your soul sister ‘Serenity’ has.
    In other words, instead of ‘Passing By’, you could simply ‘Pass Away’.

    Comment by Jman1961 — February 13, 2013 @ 11:57 pm - February 13, 2013

  29. I agree that Levi did not always make his points with great subtlety, but what exactly did he do to deserve being banned–”informally but effectively”?

    Comment by Passing By Cancerous Cas — February 13, 2013 @ 9:46 pm – February 13, 2013

    He kept showing up, for starters.
    But I’ll give him this much; he had a much longer shelf life than you, dear.
    You sank not long after you first set sail.
    Think ‘Titanic’.

    Comment by Jman1961 — February 14, 2013 @ 12:06 am - February 14, 2013

  30. It appears to me that there are TWO sets of house rules, Heliotrope, not the ONE you suggest. And that is not innuendo.

    If you find that the the site is run in ways that are so offensive to your tender leftist sensibilities, then why on earth do you keep coming back, Madame Malignancy?

    Comment by Jman1961 — February 14, 2013 @ 12:15 am - February 14, 2013

  31. Personally I’m always amused at when someone changes a nick, then whines when it’s pointed out it’s the same person.

    I’ve been “The_Livewire” on CB first, then internet, since the 80′s. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out who I am (hint, I have a somewhat used blog now.

    Then again, I do have a good twin* here in town, and I stand by my words. Go fig.

    *He has to be the good twin, I have the goatee.

    Comment by The_Livewire — February 14, 2013 @ 7:41 am - February 14, 2013

  32. It was a clear and precise charge. This site does not appear to be is not even handed.

    There, that is a clear and precise charge. “Does not appear” is classlic weasel wording. Progressives have this habit of always including an escape hatch in the event they have to duck and run. (Which, is how they always end up defending their “clear and precise” charges.

    Shift away.

    Comment by heliotrope — February 14, 2013 @ 10:35 am - February 14, 2013

  33. “Does not appear”
    As expected, tone deaf. The site may be acting reasonably. We don’t know. If the cause is capricious and one-sided–I will be happy to claim that this site DOES have a dual policy. But for you: If the cause of Levi’s banning was based on behaviour that conservative commentators indulge in on a regular basis, this site has two policies.

    Jman1961,
    Acting like an asshole gets you no brownie points from me. You asked me to call you by your handle when we first engaged. Please do the same.

    Comment by Passing By — February 14, 2013 @ 11:45 am - February 14, 2013

  34. Acting like an asshole gets you no brownie points from me.

    Cas-hole:

    I neither need, nor do I want, your points (read:approval).
    As for “acting linke an a–hole…”, that’s rich coming from you.
    Why don’t you go conduct some Milgram and Lombardo experiments….that should keep you busy.

    Comment by Jman1961 — February 14, 2013 @ 12:23 pm - February 14, 2013

  35. The site may be acting reasonably. We don’t know. If the cause is capricious and one-sided–I will be happy to claim that this site DOES have a dual policy.

    Comment by Passing By Noxious Busybody — February 14, 2013 @ 11:45 am – February 14, 2013

    Has it ever occurred to you that Levi’s fate is none of your business.
    Look, just tell us how thick the concrete block is that rests on your shoulders, that way we’ll know how deep to drill to strike brain.

    Comment by Jman1961 — February 14, 2013 @ 12:28 pm - February 14, 2013

  36. OK. I will say it s-l-o-w-l-y:

    “Does not appear” is a qualifier.

    “Clear and precise” can not be qualified.

    There. So much for identifying stumblebum rhetoric.

    I know nothing of Levi’s “infractions” v “infractions” of regulars. What I do know is that when pressed, Levi would resort to his bigotry toward religion, the mental agility (or lack thereof) of conservatives, the “common” man who must be herded by government for “their own good” because they are too st-o-o-o-pid to manage their own lives.

    Eventually, a bigot really has nothing more to say that can move the discussion forward. At that point, the bigot falls back on his prejudices and stands pat on his hatred and intolerance.

    (Merriam-Webster= BIGOT: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance )

    Levi is a man-made global warming bigot. He is a consensus science bigot. He is a bigot concerning Darwin: while most religious people accept evolution to be compatible with a belief in God, Levi uses evolution to belittle, “disprove” and deny God. Levi is a social justice bigot who believes the government must drag the target classes “kicking and screaming into the future” for “their own good.”* [(*) See: fascism.]

    This said, Levi long ago reached the point where it was only a matter of time in a comment thread before he resorted to raging and foaming at the mouth bigotry.

    Comment by heliotrope — February 14, 2013 @ 12:51 pm - February 14, 2013

  37. Jman – your underlying points about responsibility and free will are good, and you’ve made them. Please dial back on the personal insults. (I am saying that with a little more authority than I have presumed to do before, because I started this thread, which means I have some responsibility to see that the GP comment policy is honored. I am not going to fret over the occasional name or insult, but the word there is ‘occasional’. In ‘my’ threads, lower your percentage.)

    what rules did Levi break, exactly?

    You have the power to write Bruce/Dan and ask, if you want to.

    what exactly stops the same from happening to any other LIBERAL or PROGRESSIVE commentator?

    So what if it does? You seem to be under the impression that this site isn’t “the Internet home for the American gay conservative”. The blog owners can do what they wish with their site. And we make our own grownup choices, about whether to hang out with them. When I visit my liberal friends’ houses, I expect them to expect me (if that makes sense) to tread more carefully.

    Comment by ILoveCapitalism — February 14, 2013 @ 1:02 pm - February 14, 2013

  38. Oh, yeah, Cas —- it might also be that the good hosts of this site have joined the anti-bullying campaign and are thoughtfully protecting Levi from people like me and several others who finally came to the point of exasperation regarding his tired shtick as another round of emotional diarrhea “characterized by explosive outbursts of thoughtlessness through the oral cavity, resulting in unintended consequences.” (H/T: Urban Dictionary)

    I wish Levi well and would be delighted if he can finally learn to back off expressing his diatribes without miring them down with goofy absolutes. I guess it is the Borat in him that causes him to speak in decrees.

    You know, sort of like saying he is being precise and clear and immediately following it up with “does not appear.”

    Comment by heliotrope — February 14, 2013 @ 1:07 pm - February 14, 2013

  39. “When I visit my liberal friends’ houses, I expect them to expect me (if that makes sense) to tread more carefully.”
    Yes it does make sense. And you can also expect your friends to not use the fact that it is their home turf to justify poor behaviour towards you and other guests. In other words–there is an expectation of mutual respect and reciprocity on both parties’ behalf. That is sorely lacking on this site at times.

    And I will say this S-L-O-W-L-Y:
    “But for you: If the cause of Levi’s banning was based on behaviour that conservative commentators indulge in on a regular basis, [then] this site has two policies.”

    Comment by Passing By — February 14, 2013 @ 2:48 pm - February 14, 2013

  40. Translation needed.

    Comment by heliotrope — February 14, 2013 @ 2:54 pm - February 14, 2013

  41. [sarcasm]I admit it, it’s my fault.

    Apparently my constant linking to Levi’s racist truther statements was causing the server to melt down so they banned him to cut down on traffic. [/sarcasm]

    Comment by The_Livewire — February 14, 2013 @ 3:22 pm - February 14, 2013

  42. “Apparently my constant linking to Levi’s racist truther statements was causing the server to melt down so they banned him to cut down on traffic.”

    At least that is an explanation!

    Comment by Passing By — February 14, 2013 @ 3:56 pm - February 14, 2013

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