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  1. “I wrote to [CPAC head] Al Cardenas who runs the ACU in a letter yesterday and asked whether the policy [not allowing GOProud to participate] is still in effect. If it isn’t, I told him, I’m psyched to go and if it is, well, I’ll wait until it changes, which is, really, just a matter of time.

    “Now I should be clear, GOProud is not an organization I share much with ideologically, or even, truth be told, like all that much. They come out of the [Andrew] Breitbart wing of the conservative movement that seems to relish nothing more than pissing off liberals.

    “GOProud is not really the point. The point is the principle, which is: it’s not OK to ban organizations for reasons of pure bigotry. But the ACU does this because there’s a powerful constituency within conservatism that won’t have it any other way. It may not even be a majority of conservatives at this point, as a number of conservatives have said to me, but the bigots have enough juice that they call the shots.” – MSNBC host Chris Hayes, saying he’ll turn down his CPAC invite if the ban on GOProud stands. (Via Chris Geidner)

    Comment by rusty — February 23, 2013 @ 7:04 pm - February 23, 2013

  2. Being a socially conservative member of the LGBT community is an exercise in self-flagellation.

    Comment by labman57 — February 23, 2013 @ 7:11 pm - February 23, 2013

  3. Back to streets over to memory lane

    Comment by rusty — February 23, 2013 @ 7:21 pm - February 23, 2013

  4. to. . .two

    Comment by rusty — February 23, 2013 @ 7:21 pm - February 23, 2013

  5. Why was Chris Hayes invited to CPAC? That doesn’t make any sense to me. I guess it is good to listen to different viewpoints, but I didn’t think that is what CPAC was about.

    Being a socially conservative member of the LGBT community is an exercise in self-flagellation.

    How so?

    Comment by Rattlesnake — February 23, 2013 @ 7:52 pm - February 23, 2013

  6. Back to what the Obama supporters and LGBT community leaders that rusty and Chris Hayes endorse say:

    So, here’s to you and your bizarre contradictions, GoProud.

    You’re like Jewish Nazis!

    Black Klan members!

    Women who campaign for Rush Limbaugh!

    Mexican Republicans!

    Roaches who moonlight as exterminators!

    Blech, go away.

    And say:

    And just like gay meth addicts who aren’t satisfied harming only themselves, the boys at GOProud aren’t satisfied harming only themselves. They want to harm other gay people—they want to harm all gay people—by getting Mitt Romney elected. And just like your meth-addicted friend who pushed the drug on you, or your drunk friend who mocked you for stopping at four, or your sexually out-of-control friend who insisted that you were a prude if you didn’t play the come dump with him down at the bathhouse, the GOProud boys want you to abuse yourself the same way that they’re abusing themselves. They want you to vote for Mitt Romney for the same reason your meth-addicted pal wanted you to use that stupid drug.

    Because they’re damaged.

    And then we have what GLAAD endorses and supports.

    So I’m rather laughing. Once you realize what rusty, Chris Hayes, and the rest of the liberal left are actually saying, you see their screaming over GOProud to be nothing more than crass and desperate exploitation.

    Add to the fact that their desperate leader Dan Savage has actually called for the murder of Republicans, and you realize just how disgustingly pathetic they are.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — February 24, 2013 @ 12:01 am - February 24, 2013

  7. Liberal media standing up for gay conservatives!

    Comment by mike — February 24, 2013 @ 2:50 am - February 24, 2013

  8. Actually, nothing has changed. The CPAC Board voted before CPAC 2012 to remove GOProud as a sponsoring organization. There has been no news since then.

    Seems clear to me.

    I understand that CPAC removed GOProud as a sponsoring organization.

    I reviewed the link in Rusty’s comment.

    GOProud is still not a sponsoring organization of CPAC.

    Everything else is water cooler gossip and speculation. I think I hear the sounds of axes being ground.

    I imagine that the Vice Chair of GOProud is working to get his organization back on friendly footing in the cause of blending the gays he represents into the greater fold of like minded American conservatives.

    I believe that conservatives who reject gays per se are a distracted and divisive group of cranks. If anyone needs that argument to be made, ask me or any vast number of straight conservatives who feel exactly the same way.

    Comment by heliotrope — February 24, 2013 @ 11:36 am - February 24, 2013

  9. There is a lingering lack of knowing about exactly what conservative LGBT’s are FOR among social conservatives except they mostly are for “gay marriage”. When the knowledge that LGBT conservatives care about our fiscal mess, the assault on the bill of rights and amendments, the decline of any and all accountability in Federal, state and city governments, I’d be surprised if there were any reason left for GOProud not to be a sponsoring organization. It’s the very nature of conservatives to be reserved that makes for a longer process.

    Comment by Richard Bell — February 25, 2013 @ 12:15 am - February 25, 2013


    Comment by George — February 25, 2013 @ 8:47 am - February 25, 2013

  11. George,

    In your Proglodyte dreams!

    You have not only ruined the Troglodyte brand, you have succeeded in making trolls look intelligent by comparison.

    Now, for the translation:

    a troglodyte is an ancient, reactionary, recluse who lived in caves.

    a proglodyte (you) is a modern, progressive, reactionary who lives in his mother’s basement and seethes endlessly due to his escalating need for more bile and acid reflux and trolls the web to hiss and hate until his drool finally shorts out his keyboard.

    Go chase a passing UPS truck tire and see if you can snap off a valve stem.

    Oops. Waste of time. George is back in the septic tank looking for his dentures.

    Comment by heliotrope — February 25, 2013 @ 10:02 am - February 25, 2013

  12. heliotrope,

    While I know the classic definition, when I read troglodyte I think of this version.

    In essense a feral savage cave dweller, who sickens opponents with its own stink. OF course it’s immune to the smell.

    Fitting, no?

    Comment by The_Livewire — February 25, 2013 @ 11:17 am - February 25, 2013

  13. Yep.

    Poor old troglodytes got carried into modern gaming and such and came out much the worse for wear.

    The troglodytes in Central France were quite interesting. The area is covered with their caves. I guess it is the burrowing and reclusive life that has spurred the modern imagination.

    Comment by heliotrope — February 25, 2013 @ 11:37 am - February 25, 2013

  14. George, nobody is under the impression that you care a whit, given how you and your Barack Obama Party tell gays to either support Barack Obama or kill themselves.

    Do you understand that, George? We KNOW you hate us. We KNOW your Barack Obama the homophobic bigot wants gays who don’t vote for him or give him money dead.

    Why do you think Barack Obama is such a homophobic bigot that he wants gays to kill themselves? Why do you think the Barack Obama Party endorses and supports suicide and murder of gays who don’t vote for or give money to Obama?

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — February 25, 2013 @ 12:23 pm - February 25, 2013

  15. So, are the LCR and GOProud attending as private individuals? Or just leaving the field to the snake-handling Christianist Social Conservatives to continue their take-over of the GOP?

    Comment by Ted B. (Charging Rhino) — February 25, 2013 @ 3:55 pm - February 25, 2013

  16. So, are the LCR and GOProud attending as private individuals? Or just leaving the field to the snake-handling Christianist Social Conservatives to continue their take-over of the GOP?

    Comment by Ted B. (Charging Rhino) — February 25, 2013 @ 3:55 pm – February 25, 2013

    Yes, Ted, let’s bring both LCR and GOProud down on the side of calling all believers “Christianists” and mocking them as “snake handlers”.

    I have a better idea. Why don’t we just call you an antireligious bigot and be done with it?

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — February 25, 2013 @ 4:54 pm - February 25, 2013

  17. [...] GOPROUD & CPAC – Update [...]

    Pingback by GayPatriot » National Review favors inclusion of GOProud at CPAC — February 25, 2013 @ 6:18 pm - February 25, 2013

  18. With all due respect, ND, Ted is only toeing the GOProud line, with the two founders calling CPAC and Heritage “rank bigots” to Buzzfeed and MSNBC. Actually, Im fairly certain they’ve been saying as much for quite some time:

    Comment by AmericanElephant — February 25, 2013 @ 8:09 pm - February 25, 2013

  19. Heliotrope — I love, love, love “proglodyte”!

    Comment by Throbert McGee — February 25, 2013 @ 8:51 pm - February 25, 2013

  20. Hahahahahah
    republicans don’t like gays.
    Why are people kissing their asses?
    Battered woman syndrome?
    The more they beat you down the more you love them.

    Comment by George — February 25, 2013 @ 11:14 pm - February 25, 2013

  21. Actually, George, as has already been shown, you and your fellow Barack Obama liberals are homophobic bigots who tell gay people to kill themselves.

    Perhaps you should seek counseling to deal with your rage and hatred that makes you tell people to commit suicide just because of their political affiliations. You do realize that it’s abnormal for you to do that, right? You do realize that for your Obama and your Obama Party to actively encourage you to tell gay people to kill themselves is wrong, don’t you?

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — February 26, 2013 @ 12:37 am - February 26, 2013

  22. Bigot, NDT?
    Yes, if it means objecting to surrendering the Party to those for-whom only “good pro-life Christians who oppose gay existence” can be Republicans…

    Comment by Ted B. (Charging Rhino) — February 26, 2013 @ 6:47 am - February 26, 2013

  23. Throbert McGee,

    Unfortunately, “proglodyte” is one of those delicious plays on words that I suspect zings right past most people. I don’t know where it came from. I was scribbling away and I wrote “Progressive Troglodyte” and it just jumped out at me that “proglodyte” was the operative word.

    Keep it for your own. The picture of the proglodyte sitting in his underwear in his mother’s basement and posting as George, Little Kiwi, Cas, Levi, etc. is very satisfying. Maybe somebody could work out a good illustration of the critter.

    Comment by heliotrope — February 26, 2013 @ 9:34 am - February 26, 2013

  24. Ted B. @ #22:

    Yes, if it means objecting to surrendering the Party to those for-whom only “good pro-life Christians who oppose gay existence” can be Republicans…

    I question the idea that there is any measurable number of Republicans who “oppose gay existence.

    Half of ethics deals with good and the other half with evil. Being a Christian is a commitment to emulating Christ who was perfect goodness. Therefore, being Christian is to recognize our own failings at being good and to work to overcome them and walk and act of the side of goodness.

    I do not much care for the person who says, “I am a good Christian.” I have an innate bias of favoring the person who says, “I try to be a good Christian.” That qualifying statement indicates to me that the person understands the constant struggle in walking the walk. The person who claims to be a “good Christian” may well be one, but that is for others to judge, not the person making the claim.

    I suspect that opposing gay marriage is at the core of your comment. I further suppose that had Jesus been married to one of the apostles, that Christianity might have turned out quite differently. That is where parts of Hollywood lives, but I do not.

    I have no hesitation to stand up for Christianity or for Christ. Christians have done plenty over the millennia to illustrate hypocrisy. On the other hand, what clear standards do moral relativists use as a measure? Moral relativists must rely on their cleverness, dogma, ego and sense of self-entitlement; humility is nowhere to be found.

    Comment by heliotrope — February 26, 2013 @ 9:58 am - February 26, 2013

  25. heliotrope, does your comment lead folk to believe that ssm supporters and gay folk who are married are just moral relativists?

    Comment by rusty — February 26, 2013 @ 11:20 am - February 26, 2013

  26. 22.Bigot, NDT?

    Yes, if it means objecting to surrendering the Party to those for-whom only “good pro-life Christians who oppose gay existence” can be Republicans…

    Comment by Ted B. (Charging Rhino) — February 26, 2013 @ 6:47 am – February 26, 2013

    What Heliotrope suspected I will say outright, Ted; you equate opposition to gay-sex marriage with wanting to eliminate and murder gays.

    It is the same game your worthless Obama and his buddy Christie play: unless you give me what I want, I’m going to scream and cry and call you a murderer. It is emotional abuse by a malevolent, selfish child who doesn’t care about anything other than getting what it wants when it wants it.

    So here is what social conservatives, Christians, and others need to do; they need to walk out the door and leave you and your fellows to become Obama Lite.

    Because, in four more years of Obama and after two years of Obama being in complete control of the government, you will be in financial ruin. Your business will be destroyed, your wealth will be eliminated if not outright confiscated, and you will be being crushed under taxes to fund welfare for the tens of millions of illegal immigrants that you decided would be a good idea to legalize.

    And most deliciously, you are going to all be going like John McCain, wailing that the media and liberal establishment that loved you when you were bashing Republicans as intolerant and hateful are now suddenly bashing YOU as intolerant and hateful, even though you started endorsing all the things that the Obama Party said opposition to made you a bigot.

    You won’t stop the abuse until you are completely crushed and humiliated. So there’s no reason for us to stop it from happening any more, nor is there any reason for us to be tolerant of you. Yes, the time in the wilderness will suck, but at least we’ll be prepared and know it’s coming, while you are going to be being chewed up and spit out by the Obama Party and the leftist bigots to whom you were desperate to pander.

    We would have been happy to compromise, Ted, but you decided to call us all murderers who want to kill gays. So now you get your way.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — February 26, 2013 @ 1:25 pm - February 26, 2013

  27. 25.heliotrope, does your comment lead folk to believe that ssm supporters and gay folk who are married are just moral relativists?

    Comment by rusty — February 26, 2013 @ 11:20 am – February 26, 2013

    Yes, rusty, because as we’ve seen, gay marriage supporters like you, for all your blathering about family and commitment and kids, mock people like V the K and Michelle Bachmann who actually do the work of fostering, raising, and adopting the kids that you ditched because they were “inconvenient”.

    And, as I’ve challenged you before, produce a gay marriage website that has the depth and breadth of resources around and about marriage, including emphasis on counseling, commitment, fidelity, and working through relationship problems, that sites like Focus on the Family have.

    Marriage is utterly meaningless to you except for one thing and one thing only: attacking peoples’ religious beliefs and political affiliation.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — February 26, 2013 @ 1:34 pm - February 26, 2013

  28. Rusty,

    I am willing to express why I oppose gay marriage for reasons I consider logical. You know that I am stuck at the civil union level of partnership as a reasonable solution to conflicts caused by regulation and statutes laid down by the state.

    Long ago, I gave up annoying “reasonable” gays because they are gay. If a gay or gay couple does not put his “business” in my face, I will not be snarky about what is his private business.

    I can not forgive another sinner, but I can love him and praise him for his positive characteristics. I can do that, because I am a sinner and I know what I must attend to and that is enough for me to have on my plate.

    Please forgive me for not being specific in my answer. Since we are all sinners, I guess God has some sort of cheat sheet He uses for who gets by without being perfect.

    When anyone starts damning somebody else to Hell, I guess he just missed the whole message of John 8:7 which was explained in the 1599 Geneva Bible thusly: “Against hypocrites who are very severe judges against other men, and flatter themselves while they are sinning.”

    Comment by heliotrope — February 26, 2013 @ 6:03 pm - February 26, 2013

  29. Thx heliotrope

    Comment by rusty — February 26, 2013 @ 6:53 pm - February 26, 2013

  30. Conservative political commentator S.E. Cupp announced Tuesday that she is declining her invitation to speak at the Conservative Political Action Conference until it allows groups that advocate for gay marriage

    Read more:
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    Comment by rusty — February 26, 2013 @ 8:26 pm - February 26, 2013

  31. Once ‘inconceivable,’ Republican leaders sign pro-gay marriage brief
    By Miranda Leitsinger, Staff Writer, NBC News
    Supporters of same-sex marriage hope for a boost this week when dozens of high-profile Republicans, many no longer in office, submit their legal argument to the Supreme Court on why gays and lesbians should be allowed to wed, bucking their party’s platform in a move that one who had a change of heart on the issue said would “strengthen our nation as a whole.”
    More than 80 Republicans are signatories to the “friend of the Court” brief to be filed in the case over Proposition 8, a California law banning same-sex marriage, according to the American Foundation for Equal Rights, which is waging the legal battle against the law. The nation’s high court will hear arguments in the case in late March. The New York Times first reported on the brief.

    Comment by rusty — February 26, 2013 @ 8:39 pm - February 26, 2013

  32. “From The Institute for Propaganda Analysis (IPA):

    Propaganda Tricks of the Trade #7: Band Wagon

    Band Wagon has as its theme, “Everybody-at least all of us-is doing it”; with it, the propagandist attempts to convince us that all members of a group to which we belong are accepting his program and that we must therefore follow our crowd and “jump on the band wagon.”

    Charles A. Fleming evaluates Band Wagon:

    Band Wagon. This is a “follow the crowd” device that promotes the idea that everyone else is doing what the propagandist wants the audience to do . It is more comfortable to be a member of the crowd than it is to stand out or to be left out. An example would be an appeal to vote for a particular candidate because everyone else like you is voting for that candidate.

    Band Wagon is the culmination of the propagandist’s work as he uses it to mold people into a group mentality that rejects any critique of the leader [in this case a policy] and becomes caught up in following him despite warning, despite common sense, and despite destructive consequences.”

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — February 26, 2013 @ 10:21 pm - February 26, 2013

  33. More than 80 prominent Republicans have signed a legal brief to be filed with the U.S. Supreme Court in support of the effort to overturn California Proposition 8. It’s great news for Jimmy LaSalvia, who heads an organization for gay conservatives called GOProud.

    JIMMY LASALVIA: I think that this is just one more example about how everybody, including conservatives, are thinking about the issue of same-sex marriage differently.

    Comment by rusty — February 27, 2013 @ 2:19 am - February 27, 2013

  34. rusty,

    NDT explained the bandwagon perfectly well. You didn’t need to demonstrate it.

    Comment by The_Livewire — February 27, 2013 @ 1:00 pm - February 27, 2013

  35. Silly me, LW, guess NDT will have to take it up with Bruce and Jimmy and Chris, since part of GoProud new plan for outreach is to get more folk on that SSM bandwagon

    Pardon me, LW

    Comment by rusty — February 27, 2013 @ 1:45 pm - February 27, 2013

  36. And as I already pointed out, rusty, you and your Barack Obama Party called Bruce, Jimmy, and Chris traitors, Uncle Toms, quislings, and meth addicts.

    So your attempts at propaganda are even more transparently hypocritical.

    Comment by North Dallas Thirty — February 27, 2013 @ 7:59 pm - February 27, 2013

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