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  1. Good post, Dan. When the topic turns to Sir Winston, it usually ends up in the favorite quote category.

    My favorite: “Those who can win a war well can rarely make a good peace and those who could make a good peace would never have won the war.”

    Seems fitting as the Baker-Hamilton Group readies its report, eh?

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — November 30, 2006 @ 2:07 pm - November 30, 2006

  2. Will we get a tribute to Roosevelt on his birthday? After all, he not only defeated fascism, but saved capitalism and the United States along with it.

    There would have been no United States in 1940 to help the British had Roosevelt not saved the banks seven years earlier.

    Comment by Chase — November 30, 2006 @ 3:25 pm - November 30, 2006

  3. Sir Winston Churchill said…

    “Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy.”

    Couldn’t have said it better myself.

    Eric in Hollywood

    Comment by HollywoodNeoCon — November 30, 2006 @ 6:05 pm - November 30, 2006

  4. George Bernard Shaw to Winston via telegram: ” Dear Winston. Enclosed you will find 2 tickets for opening night for my new play. Bring a friend….if you have one.”

    Winston to GBS: ” Can’t possibly make opening. Will attemd 2nd night….if you have one.”

    monty

    Comment by monty — November 30, 2006 @ 6:17 pm - November 30, 2006

  5. My favourite Winston Churchill quote.

    At a late night sitting in the House of Commons, Churchill was accosted outside the Chamber by Bessie Braddock, MP. She was a particularly large lady who represented a constituency in Liverpool. She was not particularly popular with fellow MPs and in particular with some sections of her own party.

    Mrs Braddock came up to him and said : “Winston, You’re drunk!”

    He replied “Bessie, I may be drunk but you’re ugly. And in the morning I shall be sober.”

    Comment by terry — November 30, 2006 @ 6:20 pm - November 30, 2006

  6. see monty? You DO have a sense of humor! :)

    That wasn’t so hard now, was it? LOL

    Comment by HollywoodNeoCon — November 30, 2006 @ 6:26 pm - November 30, 2006

  7. One aspect of Sir Winston’s life that always get omitted in the man-on-the-street’s view of his life is they assume that he was born with trust-fund and money. He was the second son of the second son of a Duke, so no inheritance or title for Winston; and his father, Lord Randolph, spend much of his short-life in under-paid public service and overspending his limited funds on high-living. Churchill supported his family and his mother as an author, public speaker and newspaper columnist for much of his life…in a sense he was one of the first “talking-head pundits” who worked the lecture circuit on both sides of the Atlantic and wrote prolifically, sometimes being paid by-the-page or inch-of-column. He also wasn’t above milking friends for favors and being repaid favors in return for attending events and working the party-circuit as-well. That he accomplished all that hard work while appearing to do it effortly was part of his great skill and character.

    Comment by Ted B. (Charging Rhino) — November 30, 2006 @ 6:26 pm - November 30, 2006

  8. Eric,

    Look up Winston’s quotations. Some of them are priceless.

    I won’t bore most people here by repeating them, since most here can’t read…..but they are very witty.

    monty

    Comment by monty — November 30, 2006 @ 6:39 pm - November 30, 2006

  9. Can’t figure out how Terry got in between the other posts.

    Not that it matters, I guess. :)

    monty

    Comment by monty — November 30, 2006 @ 8:44 pm - November 30, 2006

  10. #8 – Hey, it’s pooh-flinging monty!

    #0 – But what I came to say, for Dan and gentle readers (I almost went with ‘gentile’, but thought better of it ;-) ):

    What Reagan and Churchill had in common, and I think the key to their success, was identifying and spelling out the threats we faced in uncompromising moral terms. The Soviet Union really was an evil empire; we were right to face it down. Nazism and Japanese imperial racism really were evil; we were right to destroy them.

    My main praise for Bush is the extent to which he’s done the same, in the so-called War On Terror. And my main criticism of Bush is the extent to which he’s failed to.

    Bush has been right, I say, to take on the Wilsonian project of spreading democracy as a response to 9-11, and of pointing out how democracy is superior to dictatorship, morally and otherwise.

    But tragically, Bush has gone nowhere near far enough. It is individual FREEDOM (more than democracy) that makes the West morally superior and worth defending. And it is opposition to freedom, per se, that makes Islamism so evil. And terrorism is just a tactic; it misses the point entirely, to declare war on a mere tactic. WW2 was not a “War on Blitzkrieg” or a “War on Surprise Attacks”.

    I believe that Bush’s failure to name the war as a war against our real and actual enemies – the Islamist, evil dictatorships of Syria / Iraq (formerly) / Iran and their Russian and Chinese backers – is the ultimate or root cause of all the public confusion over Iraq. And that, sadly, the West will not and cannot win the War on Terror until we have a new leader – a leader who will name our real enemy, in uncompromising moral terms – a Churchill or a Reagan.

    P.S. for all the “This blog’s readers will never criticize Bush” morons: I just did, and very seriously, so merrily cram it.

    Comment by Calarato — November 30, 2006 @ 8:56 pm - November 30, 2006

  11. “Blood, Toil, Tears & Sweat” is a great collection of Churchill’s speechs. Always a good read.

    Comment by Jeff C — November 30, 2006 @ 9:04 pm - November 30, 2006

  12. Hey there Castrato,

    Still with the scat/shit obsession?? Still smelling the jock straps?? LMAO

    What have you done with all your “I voted” buttons? :)

    monty

    Comment by monty — November 30, 2006 @ 9:12 pm - November 30, 2006

  13. And once Bush is no longer president, exactly what memorable quotes will we remember from him? strategery? um? errrr? Let obstetricians love their patients?

    8: You forget one major component in Democracy: People have to want it. In Iraq, the major issue has been (and remains) 3 separate factions vying for control of the country. No matter how good or right a system of government may be, people have to want it to make it work – it can’t be forced upon them. Frankly, it’d probably better to break Iraq into 3 different countries.

    Comment by Kevin — November 30, 2006 @ 10:16 pm - November 30, 2006

  14. Commemoration often makes the present more palitable.

    Comment by sean — November 30, 2006 @ 10:47 pm - November 30, 2006

  15. Okay… lemme see if I get the analogy right. Islamofascism is like Nazi ism. People who warn about it are like Churchill. So what does that make THIS guy?

    http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/

    I guess that little Churchill lesson about coddling and dealing with dictators didn’t take?

    Is Pervez Musharraf an Islamofascist? What about Prince Faisal al-Saud? Why do we seem to be allied with every little Islamic Hitler there is?

    Comment by Ann C — December 1, 2006 @ 1:02 am - December 1, 2006

  16. Hey Calarato… any opinions about the Islamist, evil dictatorships of Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Dubai? You know, the tripartite gang also known as Bush’s dear good friends and allies in the GWOT? (All of whom are also doing business as Osama’s dear good friends and financial backers in the GWOT?) You sure do seem a little fickle in your opposition to Islamofascism. Don’t you hate ALL of them? Or just some of them?

    In actual fact, NONE of the 9/11 hijackers came from Syria or Iraq or Iran. Osama is not hiding out in Syria or Iraq or Iran, and none of them is bankrolling him. Why don’t you guys want to talk about Pakistan or Saudi Arabia or Dubai?

    Comment by Ann C — December 1, 2006 @ 1:55 am - December 1, 2006

  17. I could easily answer you Ann, if you hadn’t been banned so many times. How about revealing your past aliases or at least honoring all the bans on you, first? Why won’t you talk about those things?

    Comment by Calarato — December 1, 2006 @ 2:04 am - December 1, 2006

  18. (ROTFLMAO, btw :-) )

    Comment by Calarato — December 1, 2006 @ 2:07 am - December 1, 2006

  19. I bought Hayward’s book a month or so ago and enjoyed it very much. It’s the sort of book I read the first time and go back to for a re-read after a little digesting. Hope you enjoy it, too.

    Comment by Retread — December 1, 2006 @ 7:03 am - December 1, 2006

  20. This summer I was fortunate enough to visit England with my husband on a business trip. We were able to make it to Blenheim Palace, the birthplace of Sir Winston Churchill. Seeing the room he was born in reminds me that we never know where the next great leader, inventor, person is going to be born. It was a very inspiring trip.

    Comment by Lori Craig — December 1, 2006 @ 9:52 am - December 1, 2006

  21. Weren’t we talking about Churchill?

    Comment by HollywoodNeoCon — December 1, 2006 @ 10:00 am - December 1, 2006

  22. #12 – monty hangs himself – as usual! :-)

    #21 – You can find a ton of great Churchill quotes here: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/w/winston_churchill.html

    Among my faves:

    “An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.”

    “It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.”

    Comment by Calarato — December 1, 2006 @ 10:42 am - December 1, 2006

  23. I took an outstanding course in college called Statesmanship and Leadership, of which a major part was reading Churchill’s book, The Gathering Storm. (As a bonus, we also took in quite a bit on Reagan and Thatcher, and yes, some FDR for balance, before anybody screams “conservative propaganda.”) One of the things I most enjoyed was Churchill’s eminent pragmatism, and how, rather than being in tension with his calling evil by its name, it enforced and strengthened that resolve. Something I wish today’s self-proclaimed “reality-based” community would take a lesson from… and that is certainly a book I wish was required reading for, at the least, any student of political science. Nice post.

    Comment by Casey — December 1, 2006 @ 11:05 am - December 1, 2006

  24. Oh, and fittingly enough, that school was Claremont McKenna, and I had the benefit of learning from several members of the Claremont Institute. I credit Tom Krannawitter, senior fellow at the institute, with helping to shatter some of my liberal illusions in a gentle, but thorough and enjoyable manner in my introduction to American Gov course – and if any of you know of kids looking for a great school to apply to where academic freedom and a real diversity of viewpoint exists, I can’t recommend CMC highly enough.

    Comment by Casey — December 1, 2006 @ 11:16 am - December 1, 2006

  25. Chase at #2 writes: “Will we get a tribute to Roosevelt on his birthday?”

    Why would any reader of history or student of modern political thought give FDR anything more than passing reference? Why would any patriot? A tribute? Good God… go over to MyDD for that nonsense.

    FDR was, in the best Democrat tradition, a philandering, ego-centric, pompous boor who mismanaged the US and brought about the most burdensome and ill-intentioned growth in the welfare state –bar none. Not even JimmineyCricket or SlickWilly outdid FDR on that latter point.

    On the war front, he misled America and put us directly into the last century’s largest, most bloodiest, most costly war –one we’re still trying to pay off. He lied to Americans and invited, goaded, and near begged the Japanese to attack… at a terrible cost. He put our resources and men in Harm’s Way in 2 theatres even though Congress had specifically denied him that option.

    Aside from the genocide of American Natives and the enslavement of African blacks, he presided over the country’s worst moment of racist, zenophobic action by ordering the internment of American citizens of Japanese ancestory.

    And if all that wasn’t bad enough… he allowed science to unleash nuclear power as a weapon of war and destruction. Let alone his complicity in the division of Europe. Let alone… oh, how we could go on.

    FDR deserves a tribute? Ha. He deserves to be held up as a model of the American presidency run to ruin. He deserves any student of history’s scorn. But Chase, I appreciate how you think he deserves a tribute… that LifeLongDemocrat button must be shining like new. Buff it somewhere else, ok?

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — December 1, 2006 @ 1:02 pm - December 1, 2006

  26. #25 – I have to believe that’s a very funny parody, Matt :-) of what modern Democrats would say about FDR, if they had any consistency of principle.

    But one of your points is solid: There are tons of other sites to do FDR tributes. Dan is under zero obligation, Chase, to do everything.

    I want to add that FDR’s reputation in supposedly “saving capitalism” is way overrated. You can’t “save capitalism” by abandoning it for near-dictatorial socialism, which is what FDR’s “First New Deal” was. Which is why the Supreme Court found it unconstitutional and gutted it. And which is why the “First New Deal”, in fact, prolonged the Depression. (Just google “Roosevelt Recession of 1936″. Or check out this book.)

    Comment by Calarato — December 1, 2006 @ 2:20 pm - December 1, 2006

  27. Casey, thanks for mentioning CMC, my son applied there last year exactly for the reasons you mention. Unfortunatley he didn’t get in. But he is at Stanford now, enjoying wonderful weekly lectures with fellows from the Hoover Institute – such as the incomperable Victor Davis Hanson.

    Comment by Leah — December 1, 2006 @ 6:52 pm - December 1, 2006

  28. (Calarato catches a pang of jealousy… VDH, what a stud, intellectually speaking! woof!)

    Comment by Calarato — December 1, 2006 @ 6:57 pm - December 1, 2006

  29. Leah – thanks, I couldn’t resist… what can I say, I’m still proud to be an Athena (our female mascot – the guys are Stags). Maybe that’s part of why I appreciate Dan’s posts so. *grin* Best of luck to your son!

    Comment by Casey — December 1, 2006 @ 8:18 pm - December 1, 2006

  30. 25: He was the longest serving president in the history of this great nation, he saw the country through its darkest days, both domestic and international, in the 20th century.

    Your description of his presidency is a horrible twisting of the facts and outright lies as they exist, something conservatives in this country are becoming quite adept at, especially with mr stratergery in the white house. I do agree that internment/imprisonment of Japense americans was the biggest and most horrible mistake of his presidency. I’m sorry, but how exactly was FDR responsible for the enslavement of blacks in this country? He helped advance civil rights more than any other president until that time and actions taken during his years helped advance the civil rights movement into the modern age and the civel rights movements of the 50s and 60s.

    And by the way, why do you assume that no republican has ever had an extramarital affair?

    Comment by Kevin — December 2, 2006 @ 9:39 am - December 2, 2006

  31. Classic Bummer. LMAO

    monty

    Comment by monty — December 2, 2006 @ 10:58 pm - December 2, 2006

  32. Who do you have to f**k around here to get a new thread?? :) :)

    monty

    Comment by monty — December 2, 2006 @ 11:00 pm - December 2, 2006

  33. Kevin, my dear.

    They don’t care about facts. Haven’t you noticed?

    Anyway….this place is a ghost town.

    monty

    Comment by monty — December 2, 2006 @ 11:05 pm - December 2, 2006

  34. What a demanding (not to mention foul-mouthed) toddler you seem, monty. Not for the first time.

    If you really want a new post: kindly try opening your own blog.

    Buh-bye!

    Comment by Calarato — December 2, 2006 @ 11:49 pm - December 2, 2006

  35. princess Kevin, I didn’t write that FDR was responsible for the enslavement of Africans… put your “Democrats-R-Always-Correct” button on hold and read for comprehension, ok?

    I wrote that aside from either slavery or slaughter on the plains, the internment of Japanese-Americans was the country’s worst moment of racism –and FDR presided over it. FDR felt –like lots of and lots of Democrats today– civil rights (like voting) ought to be extended to those constitutencies which will help the Democrats and no others. And like lots of Democrats today, he was a philandering, ego-centric political hack who deliberately violated more Constitutional provisions in the first term of office than Hillary will ever be able to gore.

    Ask monty to let go of your nose ring and do try to think on your own for a little, for once. It’s positively liberating, Kevin. Plus monty can then attend to the latest message from the GayLeftBorg… and get that blog of his finally going… lol.

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — December 3, 2006 @ 12:17 pm - December 3, 2006

  36. Castrato and Mish-Mash….

    There are already too many useless blogs cluttering the “internets” as it is. :)

    Most of those are nothing more than ego trips from “nobodies” who think their assholes smell better, somehow. than everyone elses’. Quite humorous, when you think about it

    I suggest you beg others to close their blog sites, which would make more sense. I know several places where you can start. :) :)

    Meanwhile, I’ll just post an ocassional note here until Bruce and Dan can stop reeling from their Dunkirk and get their, much overdue, talking points from the repugnants up and running again.

    Reminds me of that guy on TV when they take his Blackberry away. Totally lost. :) :)

    I feel their pain.

    monty

    Comment by monty — December 3, 2006 @ 6:52 pm - December 3, 2006

  37. 35: “Like lots of philandering democrats”? Wow, it’s amazing how folks here ascribe issues that has nothing to do with political leanings to whether someone is democrat or republicans.

    Should I then think that anyone who claims to be a righteous christian is really have sex and taking meth with a prostitute? I don’t think so. And wasn’t it Newt Gingrich who served his first wife with divorce papers while she was in hospital being treated for cancer? I coulduse him as an example that republicans are all philanderers as well. but I won’t.

    Comment by Kevin — December 3, 2006 @ 7:54 pm - December 3, 2006

  38. actually, monty, I haven’t read that much (#36) meandering mindless prattle from a GayLeftBorgie since raj was last here. You’re a good sport to try to eclipse that loser’s low marks. Even if banned, I bet he’s feeling better secure in the knowledge you’ve taken up his cause –as it were.

    Recall this began with the GayLeftBorg poster child calling for a tribute to FDR. Try to stay on topic, eh? Otherwise we’ll wonder if you’re lazy and evidenced by an attention deficit.

    Comment by Michigan-Matt — December 3, 2006 @ 8:33 pm - December 3, 2006

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